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Show HN: Re:consent – View and change the consent you have given to websites

86 points by kkm 8y ago

eterps 8y ago
Requires a better explanation, perhaps a goal statement, a couple of screenshots, pros/cons, anything...
- kkm 8y ago
  More details can be found here: German: https://cliqz.com/magazine/re-consent https://cliqz.com/magazine/re-consent English: https://cliqz.com/en/magazine/re-consent https://cliqz.com/en/magazine/re-consent
  - piotrkubisa 8y ago
    Ouch... That smooth scrolling hurts experience and pleasure of being on cliqz website. I think I know how to customize my browser, so if I would like to have smooth scrolling or custom scrollbars I will add them to my browser. Please, don't take your visitors as dumb persons - almost everyone knows how to install extensions from Firefox/Chrome store and some others also knows how to develop own add-ons.
kkm 8y ago
re:consent Welcome to more privacy control re:consent allows you to view and change the consent you have given to websites for data processing. It works for websites that adhere to the IAB's Transparency & Consent Framework, as well as for Google and Facebook. re:consent offers more control over your direct interaction with websites making it a smart addition to third-party tracking protection powered by Cliqz. Learn more on https://cliqz.com/magazine/re-consent https://cliqz.com/magazine/re-consent
IshKebab 8y ago
Why are any websites going to use that IAB standard if all it does is make it easier for users to automatically opt out? None of them want that.
- dbdjfjrjvebd 8y ago
  My customers want their customers to have a good experience and to feel safe and secure. They want to follow the law. They also want analytics. By following a standard that complies with the law here in Europe they get some of both.
- falien 8y ago
  It's a fig leaf they can point to when lobbying to avoid stricter regulation in any jurisdiction that hasn't yet enacted new rules.
WA 8y ago
I found most GDPR consent popups and settings cumbersome. They are hidden, they often require a few more extremely slow HTTP requests. I suppose most people simply click agree, because it’s the fastest option. I trust my AdBlocker more than any consent options/frameworks.
- askmike 8y ago
  > I trust my AdBlocker more than any consent options/frameworks. There should be more layers of defense for your privacy. ad blockers only really target third party trackers. While this method also helps for webapps that track you directly (facebook, google, etc).
  - sdoering 8y ago
    I trust my hosts file first. For work reasons I need to allow some domains/trackers there by default (Adobe Analytics, Tagmanager, Google Analytics and AB-testimg stuff). There my browser plugins come into play. I can decide on a site by site basis to block or to be able to do my work. I know, I will not be able to block everything. Especially if it is done in the backend. But at least I can kill most 3rd party crap that way.
- vertex-four 8y ago
  Probably most consent dialogs are illegal, tbh. It just needs to get to court to prove that the GDPR is enforceable.
  - pluma 8y ago
    Personally I hope the outcome will be a strict interpretation: * opt-out by default * dismissing means opt-out * users need to be able to dismiss banners (at least per session) Along with a lenient interpretation of consent-by-default for "normal" use (i.e. serving the content, anonymized logging and anonymized analytics) I think this would make the most sense from a user perspective while still serving basic business interests.
- cs02rm0 8y ago
some_account 8y ago
It's a good idea but it's adding manual work for the user. I just block it all.
yoaviram 8y ago
If you really want a website to erase your data use a service like http://opt-out.eu http://opt-out.eu (disclaimer: I'm one of the creators)
- amelius 8y ago
  Looks interesting. But what we really need is to erase our data from companies of which we are not aware that they have our data. There has been a lot of data brokerage going on in recent years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_broker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_broker
  - yoaviram 8y ago
    We're working on providing a list of these data brookes (companies that provide no value to you but still collect and sell your data) so that you can easily it out of them.
    - amelius 8y ago
      Would it be possible to automate the opt-out process, so that the user has to fill out a form only once?
      - yoaviram 8y ago
        We're considering enabling sending requests in bulk, but need to balance that with the desire not make it to easy to abuse the service.
      - aldoushuxley001 8y ago
        That's a million-dollar idea right there if it could be feasibly implemented.
- Silhouette 8y ago
  I appreciate the sentiment, but unfortunately your website is quite misleading. For example, subjects do not have an absolute right to erasure, even under GDPR, but your detailed comments about this are hidden in your FAQ while your main introductory paragraph clearly says something very different. Your letter template also has a few problems. The date is not in European format. The content itself appears to be conflating different subject rights in a confusing way. It also refers to some contact methods but doesn't include all of the necessary details to use them. Please be careful getting involved with legal matters if you're not sure what you're doing. You could cause real trouble for all involved if people think they have rights they don't and start trying to make a big deal of it.
foreigner 8y ago
I want the opposite of this. Is there some tool I can use to just automatically agree to all of these annoying GDPR cookie popups so they stop bugging me?
- lugg 8y ago
  There is a ublock list or three floating around.
  - foreigner 8y ago
    I want to automatically opt-in, not opt-out.
    - hasperdi 8y ago
      Chrome extension I don't care about cookies is what you want.
    - piotrkubisa 8y ago
      I wish DNT (Do Not Track) header [0] was respected in case of automatical opt-in/opt-outs [1] but sadly, I think it won't happen (at least soon). [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_Not_Track https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_Not_Track [1]: https://www.w3.org/blog/2018/06/do-not-track-and-the-gdpr/ https://www.w3.org/blog/2018/06/do-not-track-and-the-gdpr/
    - lugg 8y ago
      What's the difference?
hasperdi 8y ago
I don't want sites to track me, but these consent popup are very annoying and most don't allow me to opt-out (easily). My best solution so far is using two Chrome extensions. "I don't care about cookies" and "Vanilla Cookie Manager". The first one will accept GDPR consent, the second one auto delete cookies from non-whitelisted domain after a certain period (eg. 30 minutes). Additionally, I have uBlock Origin blocking tracking domains.
- krageon 8y ago
  It would be better to hide the consent banners (use any good ad blocker) and delete the unauthorized cookies anyway. Without having your explicit consent they cannot track you (they still might, but it'd be a violation) so the cookie manager is just a way for you to enforce your rights.
  - hasperdi 8y ago
    The problem is that many sites will break if I hide the consent banner. Some sites will hijack the page, take you to another page, and if you reject then they will take you to a page saying you must leave if you do not consent.
sebslomski 8y ago
More details on re:consent can be found here: https://cliqz.com/en/magazine/re-consent https://cliqz.com/en/magazine/re-consent Firefox Add-on: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/re-consent/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/re-consent/ Chrome Store: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/reconsent/djcdlbbfldmndgenehaifaiiahhhagfa https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/reconsent/djcdlbbf... Keep in mind that re:consent isn't just about consent cookies - it's also about educating users what they allowed services such as Google & Facebook to know about them.
tehjoker 8y ago
If you have uBlock Origin, you can just "zap" those elements without opting in.
BloodyHands 8y ago
websites are not for tracking users this is stupid just because Congress and FBI have been lazy does not make it legal for websites to act like street gangs in general, websites are criminal scams run by filth Congress needs to get its act together and throw them in prison our society needs to purge the website operators they're just useless worthless trash, not decent human beings
Animats 8y ago
I run with Ghostery and Privacy Badger with very restrictive settings. Google Tag Manager is blocked. Plus no third party cookies, and Firefox in site isolation mode. Few sites fail to work. General effect: the Internet has no advertising.

86 points by kkm 8y ago

eterps 8y ago

Requires a better explanation, perhaps a goal statement, a couple of screenshots, pros/cons, anything...

kkm 8y ago
More details can be found here: German: https://cliqz.com/magazine/re-consent https://cliqz.com/magazine/re-consent English: https://cliqz.com/en/magazine/re-consent https://cliqz.com/en/magazine/re-consent
- piotrkubisa 8y ago
  Ouch... That smooth scrolling hurts experience and pleasure of being on cliqz website. I think I know how to customize my browser, so if I would like to have smooth scrolling or custom scrollbars I will add them to my browser. Please, don't take your visitors as dumb persons - almost everyone knows how to install extensions from Firefox/Chrome store and some others also knows how to develop own add-ons.

kkm 8y ago

re:consent Welcome to more privacy control re:consent allows you to view and change the consent you have given to websites for data processing. It works for websites that adhere to the IAB's Transparency & Consent Framework, as well as for Google and Facebook. re:consent offers more control over your direct interaction with websites making it a smart addition to third-party tracking protection powered by Cliqz. Learn more on https://cliqz.com/magazine/re-consent https://cliqz.com/magazine/re-consent

IshKebab 8y ago

Why are any websites going to use that IAB standard if all it does is make it easier for users to automatically opt out? None of them want that.

dbdjfjrjvebd 8y ago
My customers want their customers to have a good experience and to feel safe and secure. They want to follow the law. They also want analytics. By following a standard that complies with the law here in Europe they get some of both.
falien 8y ago
It's a fig leaf they can point to when lobbying to avoid stricter regulation in any jurisdiction that hasn't yet enacted new rules.

WA 8y ago

I found most GDPR consent popups and settings cumbersome. They are hidden, they often require a few more extremely slow HTTP requests. I suppose most people simply click agree, because it’s the fastest option. I trust my AdBlocker more than any consent options/frameworks.

askmike 8y ago
> I trust my AdBlocker more than any consent options/frameworks. There should be more layers of defense for your privacy. ad blockers only really target third party trackers. While this method also helps for webapps that track you directly (facebook, google, etc).
- sdoering 8y ago
  I trust my hosts file first. For work reasons I need to allow some domains/trackers there by default (Adobe Analytics, Tagmanager, Google Analytics and AB-testimg stuff). There my browser plugins come into play. I can decide on a site by site basis to block or to be able to do my work. I know, I will not be able to block everything. Especially if it is done in the backend. But at least I can kill most 3rd party crap that way.
vertex-four 8y ago
Probably most consent dialogs are illegal, tbh. It just needs to get to court to prove that the GDPR is enforceable.
- pluma 8y ago
  Personally I hope the outcome will be a strict interpretation: * opt-out by default * dismissing means opt-out * users need to be able to dismiss banners (at least per session) Along with a lenient interpretation of consent-by-default for "normal" use (i.e. serving the content, anonymized logging and anonymized analytics) I think this would make the most sense from a user perspective while still serving basic business interests.
cs02rm0 8y ago

some_account 8y ago

It's a good idea but it's adding manual work for the user. I just block it all.

yoaviram 8y ago

If you really want a website to erase your data use a service like http://opt-out.eu http://opt-out.eu (disclaimer: I'm one of the creators)

amelius 8y ago
Looks interesting. But what we really need is to erase our data from companies of which we are not aware that they have our data. There has been a lot of data brokerage going on in recent years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_broker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_broker
- yoaviram 8y ago
  We're working on providing a list of these data brookes (companies that provide no value to you but still collect and sell your data) so that you can easily it out of them.
  - amelius 8y ago
    Would it be possible to automate the opt-out process, so that the user has to fill out a form only once?
    - yoaviram 8y ago
      We're considering enabling sending requests in bulk, but need to balance that with the desire not make it to easy to abuse the service.
    - aldoushuxley001 8y ago
      That's a million-dollar idea right there if it could be feasibly implemented.
Silhouette 8y ago
I appreciate the sentiment, but unfortunately your website is quite misleading. For example, subjects do not have an absolute right to erasure, even under GDPR, but your detailed comments about this are hidden in your FAQ while your main introductory paragraph clearly says something very different. Your letter template also has a few problems. The date is not in European format. The content itself appears to be conflating different subject rights in a confusing way. It also refers to some contact methods but doesn't include all of the necessary details to use them. Please be careful getting involved with legal matters if you're not sure what you're doing. You could cause real trouble for all involved if people think they have rights they don't and start trying to make a big deal of it.

foreigner 8y ago

I want the opposite of this. Is there some tool I can use to just automatically agree to all of these annoying GDPR cookie popups so they stop bugging me?

lugg 8y ago
There is a ublock list or three floating around.
- foreigner 8y ago
  I want to automatically opt-in, not opt-out.
  - hasperdi 8y ago
    Chrome extension I don't care about cookies is what you want.
  - piotrkubisa 8y ago
    I wish DNT (Do Not Track) header [0] was respected in case of automatical opt-in/opt-outs [1] but sadly, I think it won't happen (at least soon). [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_Not_Track https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_Not_Track [1]: https://www.w3.org/blog/2018/06/do-not-track-and-the-gdpr/ https://www.w3.org/blog/2018/06/do-not-track-and-the-gdpr/
  - lugg 8y ago
    What's the difference?

hasperdi 8y ago

I don't want sites to track me, but these consent popup are very annoying and most don't allow me to opt-out (easily). My best solution so far is using two Chrome extensions. "I don't care about cookies" and "Vanilla Cookie Manager". The first one will accept GDPR consent, the second one auto delete cookies from non-whitelisted domain after a certain period (eg. 30 minutes). Additionally, I have uBlock Origin blocking tracking domains.

krageon 8y ago
It would be better to hide the consent banners (use any good ad blocker) and delete the unauthorized cookies anyway. Without having your explicit consent they cannot track you (they still might, but it'd be a violation) so the cookie manager is just a way for you to enforce your rights.
- hasperdi 8y ago
  The problem is that many sites will break if I hide the consent banner. Some sites will hijack the page, take you to another page, and if you reject then they will take you to a page saying you must leave if you do not consent.

sebslomski 8y ago

More details on re:consent can be found here: https://cliqz.com/en/magazine/re-consent https://cliqz.com/en/magazine/re-consent Firefox Add-on: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/re-consent/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/re-consent/ Chrome Store: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/reconsent/djcdlbbfldmndgenehaifaiiahhhagfa https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/reconsent/djcdlbbf... Keep in mind that re:consent isn't just about consent cookies - it's also about educating users what they allowed services such as Google & Facebook to know about them.

tehjoker 8y ago

If you have uBlock Origin, you can just "zap" those elements without opting in.

BloodyHands 8y ago

websites are not for tracking users this is stupid just because Congress and FBI have been lazy does not make it legal for websites to act like street gangs in general, websites are criminal scams run by filth Congress needs to get its act together and throw them in prison our society needs to purge the website operators they're just useless worthless trash, not decent human beings

Animats 8y ago

I run with Ghostery and Privacy Badger with very restrictive settings. Google Tag Manager is blocked. Plus no third party cookies, and Firefox in site isolation mode. Few sites fail to work. General effect: the Internet has no advertising.