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People start hating their jobs at 35
- stephengillie 8y agoWhich people? > Two years ago, at age 34, she switched careers and learned how to code. “Your 30s are both personally and professionally a time when people take stock and make a change,” she said. I left a job I hated to start a robot business at 31. It failed due to lack of financing, so I returned to tech support and system engineering. I've worked my way into a career with many job options and paths of varying levels of excitement and stress.
- tribesman 8y agoAre most corruption charges in developing countries are well on people over 30? Just curious, i don't have the data. Hypothesis is that, once people hate their job, they might want to acquire money instantly and quit. I know this is a sensitive topic but i just want a some facts because here people seem to trust young people less for some reason, i don't know why.
- stephengillie 8y agoIt's the "How can I quit my job today" mindset. Each person has a different subset of options, based on their socioeconomic state: - Concieve a child and carry to term, then raise. - Start your own business. - Sell your house and live on the street / forest. - Become a farmer. - Win a lottery / Bitcoin bubble / IPO skyrocket / other windfall. - Move in with your parents / children. - Commit crimes. - Create pornography (enter a new industry). - Start an online store / list items on eBay or Amazon. - Move to Alaska, build a cabin, and live off the land. Etc. Sometimes a person will find themselves fixated on the most realistic option for their scenario, turning one of these into a plan of action, discussing with coworkers, and trying to make it even more realistic.
- grecy 8y agoI can't stress this enough - if you're not happy with life, and you feel like you aren't moving closer to your goals and dreams, make a change!!! I realized that sitting at my desk for 30 years to pay for a house was not what I wanted to do, so I quit my job and have been driving around Africa for 2 years[1]. I dreamed for years of being a travel writer and photographer, and I am making that dream come true! I now write for five magazines on a regular basis, and I just published my first book, with a few more in the pipeline. I have waaaaaay less money than before, but I'm happier than I have ever been in my life. I am constantly meeting people who had a similar realization and are now living their dreams - volunteering, working on their passions or just traveling for a while while they figure it out. Life is too short to spend 40+ hours a week not loving what you're doing! [1] http://theroadchoseme.com/africa-expedition-overview http://theroadchoseme.com/africa-expedition-overview
- mrhappyunhappy 8y agoVery cool that you made it work for you. I'm in a situation where on a daily basis I feel total Bliss and extreme depression.
- konart 8y agoSounds nice, but what about your family? Relatives that might need your attention? I love examples like this one, but unfortunatelly they can't be applied to a general guy. Though I have to agree that you have to go for a change one way or the other. Some people can do this almost right now, some will have to do some kind of preparations which can take quite some time too. PS: not to metion that economical\social conditions can be an issue too.
- Balero 8y agoI think the entire point of this is to drop what you perceive to be your obligations and to focus on yourself. You first have to identify what you see as your obligations, and to query them. This can be the keeping up with the Joneses, buying stuff for your partner/kids or being around family. In some cases what you think of as your obligations really aren't, your partner would rather spend time with you happy than get a bunch of stuff from you. Sometimes what you think of as an obligation is something you really do have to do, like looking after your kids, or if some other family needs care. Though I like to think of these as responsibilities rather than obligations, something I've actively chosen rather than something that I've been lumped with. I think this critical look at these pressures, and what really should be informing your life is key to being able to re-orient yourself to something that can make you happier.
- grecy 8y ago> what about your family? Relatives that might need your attention? Absolutely, they're important, and by switching to doing something that makes me happier and healthier, I'm able to have a more positive impact on them and also have more time to spend with them. After all time is all we have to spend together, and I'd much rather spend it teaching my nephew to play guitar than sitting at a desk job I don't really enjoy. Because I'm a travel writer and photographer now I can "work remotely" and spend lots of time with family. > Some will have to do some kind of preparations which can take quite some time too. Of course! Anything worth doing requires hard work, and will probably take significant time.
- jib 8y agoI mean, the article says that 1 in 6 does. I’d say that is pretty ok if anything. That some people get disillusioned as they get older is probably normal. That most still are happy with work seems nice - there’s a lot of crappy jobs out there.
- Cthulhu_ 8y agoYeah that's something to keep in mind - there should be an equivalent, positive article saying 5 in 6 people above 35 are happy with their job. That's a really good number!
- torstenvl 8y agoI feel extraordinarily lucky to be in a profession where the opposite is true. Although it was demoralizing during my first four years or so to see my superiors leave hours before me and my colleagues, work quickly became both more qualitatively rewarding and more quantitatively reasonable. I feel like the article's suggestions are a little trite. Just make work friends and find a personal project at work! I suspect that a good number of people feeling ennui feel that way due to a lack of autonomy. If my hunch is correct, it seems unlikely they'll be able to just choose a personal project at work.
- mrhappyunhappy 8y ago35 is probably the age where you have accepted the fact that you are just a cog in the machine, and the output will benefit someone other than yourself. For years leading up to it you already know youre just trading your life's precious hours away for money - which seems to have less and less purchasing power by the year. Once you realize the job is just a means of keeping yourself going, the perpetual cycle dawns on you as a sea of misery and despair. Friends fall by the sidelines, opinions shaped into concrete paths, the 35 year old you finds it difficult to see meaning in the never-ending cycle of slavery that we call work.
- bigcostooge 8y agoI’ve hit this realization at 30. But exactly this.
- matt_s 8y agoWe as software engineers make a damn good amount of money for literally sitting down all day and basically bossing computers around. It is not slavery. I enjoy what I do and am making decent money doing it. If I won the lottery with FU money, yeah, I'd be done working for others. I think around 35 is when you may see through any illusions employers have with buying into their grand mission statements or whatever to get you to work more for them with no more reward. You realize working for someone else is what the gig is and accept that. When I get home from work sometimes I want to continue on the problem I was working on all day. Most of the time I stop myself and do other things I enjoy - relaxing things, hobbies, etc. Sometimes I will work on work stuff but that is up to me (unless it is some outage or emergency type thing).
- woogiewonka 8y agoSoftware engineers / developers live in their own bubbles. It takes a certain amount of willfulness to want to get into that type of work, so it is no wonder a handful (or more than a handful) of well paid engineers actually enjoy their work. Of course that goes for other professions but I imagine the majority of the population does not live in your reality.
- deanCommie 8y agoWait, I thought it was supposed to be Millennials that are spoiled and do nothing but complain about their jobs...
- badpun 8y agoFor me it was at 24, about 2 years after I started working. The first two years were exciting vanity-filled ride, because I was proving that to myself and others that I was really capable. I got quickly promoted to a project manager role (that was in a time and organization where PMs weren't just bureucrats, the role was exciting). Delivering my first project was hell of a ride (coffee and red-bull powered one), but after that, I saw that I'm just going to have to repeat that experience for the next 40 years. I gave my notice soon afterwards, and since then I look for jobs with best salary to effort ratio. Also, there are some kinds of jobs (management, enterprise architect), that are so annoying that I don't know how much I would have to be paid to do them again.
- walkingolof 8y agoAt your age (if it’s mid 20s) money should be around the bottom of the priolist, later in life that may not be an option
- badpun 8y agoI'm nearing my fourties now. I have saved 27 years' worth of living expenses, assuming my current lifestyle (or longer, if I at some point decide to downgrade). Recently, I have given my notice. I want to finally try something else.
- tasuki 8y agoFinancial independence and early retirement? With 27 years of living expenses if you invest wisely and don't get unlucky, you shouldn't ever have to work again.
- badpun 8y agoI don't like the "don't get unlucky" part. It would really suck if I indeed got unlucky around the age of 60 or 70, and then had to support myself working as a janitor till I die. In other words, I tend to be risk-awerse.
- Nursie 8y agoAt the age of 34 I opted out of having 'a job', set up a company of my own and now contract and consult. I change who I'm working for every few months to a year. I don't (often) get that bored. There isn't time for the cynicism to develop, I feel like my skills are valued, I bring home a ton more cash, and if I dislike the way my client operates or tries to put controls on my working patterns, I walk. I know I am extraordinarily privileged, and I don't know how long this can last, but six years have passed and I feel better than ever about my career. Or my lack of it.
- mrhappyunhappy 8y agoWhat kind of consulting if you don't mind me asking?
- Nursie 8y agoA lot of what I do is contracting, basically just short-term software engineering. But I have done some consulting on development processes and tooling (for god's sake use a standard build system), and have done some small amounts around embedded systems SDKs. Most of the contracts bring me in as a 'consultant' but the work is software engineering.
- GFischer 8y agoI´m interesting in transitioning into something similar, did you write how you learned or how you transitioned somewhere? Was it thanks to your network or did you start out cold?
- buboard 8y agoPlus in my case it freed up a ridiculous amount of time to do other stuff and plans i had.
- empath75 8y agoI start hating my job every three years or so. Then I get a new one making more money.
- mad_exscientist 8y agoThat's quite exactly what it has been for me in the past 5 years. Now I'm approaching the age of 35 and asking myself whether there is a single job that makes for most of my working life at all. The desire to have such a job grows as things around me (family, friends) start to be more steady.
- paulie_a 8y agoDon't you have troubles finding work? I review resumes at times and I don't expect someone to be married to a company. But three years is a warning sign. Companies fail, there was a bad culture. But job hopping is a reason to not want to hire someone.
- empath75 8y agoThe last two times I was actively recruited.
- keiferski 8y agoNot sure what industry you’re in, but three years doesn’t translate as ‘job hopping’ to me. If anything, 2 years is an average ‘acceptable’ job length.
- paulie_a 8y agoPersonally I find it a short term stint considering it probably takes upwards of 5-6 months to get upto speed and be genuinely productive.
- drchickensalad 8y agoReally? I've always heard 2y or more at each place is the line of no suspicion, and from more conservative sources than HN. Interesting.
- cm2012 8y agoI know switching to consulting (and finding a lot of success in it) has made me 3x happier. I never would have risked the switch if family issues didn't force me to.
- woogiewonka 8y agoWhat kind of consulting? How did you find success in it?
- vfc1 8y agoI think its because through experience people have figured out a lot of unspoken things about what its really like being an employee. They have figured out that its much more about connections and office politics than hard work. They have figured out that there is really no job security, and they could be one layoff wave away from unemployment. They have figured out that its much more about face time and spending long hours at work rather than actually being productive. They have figured out that the majority of their work, to their surprise is not actually that important or necessary. They have figured out that its important not to take too much vacations, because its an opportunity to loose the little work they have to someone else. They have figured out that they are never going to get payed the true value of their work,and that is almost the definition of being an employee. They have figured out that its all a system of serventry not too different from the medieval relation between master and servant. They have figured out that its a system that they are being grinded through and discarded, and that they are condemned for life to making someone else rich, never getting a chance to trully furfill their dreams and ambitions. All of this takes a lot of time to figure out and piece together, it takes over ten years, and so the age 35 seems about right.
- albertgoeswoof 8y ago> They have figured out that the majority of their work, to their surprise is not actually that important or necessary. I used to keep wondering when I was going to get found out for not contributing to the company's bottom line like the other thousands of employees around me seem to do every day. But then I realised that everyone else is probably doing exactly the same. And either a) none of us are doing anything valuable b) a small % are the driving force or c) we are greater than the sum of our parts I hope it's c), feel like it's probably b), but maybe a) really is a real world scenario.
- koboll 8y agoIf it wasn't c) the company wouldn't exist, even if b) is true. At my company I think it's true that a small % are the driving force, in terms of our central product, but the rest are important in that the company would be dysfunctional to the point of collapse if that small % also had to take care of the ancillary tasks they do.
- amelius 8y agoPerhaps because people are fathers and mothers around that age?
- k__ 8y agoI started with 28, maybe earlier, but 28 was when I finally snapped, haha. I worked 7 for the same company, while studying and a few years after I finished my degree. It was a small chaotic company, they were a startup that found a hand full of big corps to pay for the day-to-day expenses, but it never really grew up and never got product market fit. After a big re-write of the product, with much overtime on my side, I asked my manager what my personal growth options are in the company. Well, there weren't any. So I quit a month later and did a sabbatical in 2014. After that I tried freelancing and tried different things, always asking myself "Is this what I want?" It helped me at least to filter out what I don't want and I'm much happier.
- woogiewonka 8y agoAre you still freelancing?
- k__ 8y agoYes, I found out that I don't work as well with "bosses" as I work with "customers" :D
- woogiewonka 8y agoGood for you! What kind of freelancing and how long? I know of many who burned out, and I'm borderline there myself since I hadn't developed a passive lead stream.
- k__ 8y agoI only work about 6-8 months a year. Mostly greenfield projects that take multiple months for startups. ("We need an MVP, but have no idea about technology, so do what you see fit")
- jehlakj 8y agoWhat do you mean by “personal growth”? Is that a soft way of asking for a promotion?
- jasonkester 8y agoThis seems counter intuitive to me. All through your 20s, you're working your way up through the bottom of some crappy bigco, paying your dues and getting experience under your belt so that you can jump to better jobs later. By your mid 30s, at least in our industry, you can get to a position where you can choose a nice gig at a good company, and pretty much steer your destiny as you choose. So it's surprising that you'd hate your job more then than when you were younger.
- sonnyblarney 8y ago"and pretty much steer your destiny as you choose" Generally no - every rung up the ladder gets about 500% more competitive, and even worse, it's political competition. Middle management is the worst kind of work beyond raw labour. When you're young, usually you're learning, doing 'actual work' and you can make no mistakes really. If you have a protected executive job, and can handle politics, there can be stability there. Bug upper manager and Director ... my god - you still have to show hard results, and you're not always in position to do it. It's thankless. You don't even get to make the big decisions.
- jasonkester 8y agoWhy move to management then? Software Developer is the best gig imaginable right now, in pretty much any dimension you can measure. - Senior level pay is pushing $500k for employees, ( and higher for consulting) - Pretty much any gig can be remote - Hottest job market in history - Lots of fun work to be found if you don't want to go the BigCo track So yeah, why fight all that stuff you list on that path when you can stay in individual contributor and have it easy?
- vonmoltke 8y ago> Senior level pay is pushing $500k for employees, ( and higher for consulting) At a handful of elite, highly-competitive companies. > Pretty much any gig can be remote The defense, health care, finance, and embedded sectors would beg to differ. Also, can be remote often does not equal "allowed to* be remote. > Hottest job market in history "In history" is too strong, but it is definitely a hot market (in most areas). > Lots of fun work to be found if you don't want to go the BigCo track If you choose this your first bullet doesn't apply.
- vectorEQ 8y agothats stupid. most people hate their job before that.
- crispyambulance 8y agoJust to be fair... according to the article, only 1 in 6 British workers over 35 say they are "unhappy" with their job. That seems remarkably low, but I think an important life lesson that many learn is that one should not let "the job" determine well-being, satisfaction with life and happiness. I learned THAT in my 40's.
- EZ-E 8y agoAbout work and happiness : the more I think about the reality of being a full time employee, the more I start to believe part-time is actually the right way to work and be happy. I see little reason to spend something like 70% of waking hours commuting and working for someone else's profits if you can afford to do less. I've become pragmatic and realized the company I'm I work in is just a tool I use to make money while trying to extract valuable experience for my future. The rest doesn't matter
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y agoBoy, I wish I could find part time work that paid even a quarter of what I make supposedly working full time. The reality of course is that I'm at most actually working 15-25% of that time and the rest I'm just piloting a desk and being available for people to pick my brain. Then there's the health care issue to consider, at least for US residents.
- EZ-E 8y ago> The reality of course is that I'm at most actually working 15-25% of that time and the rest I'm just piloting a desk and being available for people to pick my brain Working remote can solve this, I've realized. One day I was stuck at home so I told my supervisor I would work at home for the day. I ended up doing my work in few hours, and was free the rest of the time since I was free from the "stay at desk" requirement.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y agoSure, if your company isn't actively hostile to the idea like the one I work at is. Lot of places are very butts-in-seats focused.
- randysavage 8y agoDon't let the healthcare issue scare you. I've been on high-deductible Marketplace plans for the past few years, having gone through a pregnancy and delivery with complications, among a few other health concerns. As long as you have the cushion to cover the high deductible (~$6000), there's probably not much to worry about. I had the same deductible at a previous employer, so the current situation feels identical to me.
- woogiewonka 8y agoI was 23 when I lost all taste for ordinary work. After being borderline homeless to making 300k in 3 months in affiliating marketing, the though of office work made it unbearable. Little did I know the new found good life would crash around me and I'd have to do the unthinkable - work in an office. The next 4 years were the most miserable years of my life. I was saved by a remote job, followed by another remote gig which ultimately ended in a layoff. The whole experience has made it impossible for me to ever return to an office. Instead, I now struggle as a freelancer / wannabe consultant.
- swiley 8y agoYou didn’t invest any of that 300k? I feel like if you even put 100k of that into something like a reit you probably could have just retired and done whatever you wanted.
- edanm 8y ago100k isn't even close to enough to retire on, at least in the US or other Western countries (assuming a standard middle-class standard of living, of course).
- smashu 8y agoI'm 39, I've been at this job for almost 5 years and still don't hate it
- slfnflctd 8y agoThis is much more likely to happen if you didn't manage your career well because you were caught up in 'more important' things that you thought would add greater meaning to life. If that greater meaning has evaporated (or never showed up), it can be a world of hurt. I realized recently I was trapped in a dead end tech support role and would never grow beyond it, because the job was taking up too much time & energy for me to have enough left over to develop my software development (or any other) skills. I was making decent money, but my household had become addicted to spending it all. If I had managed my finances better and been able to say 'no' more, that might have helped some, but since I didn't, my burnout was accelerated. Now I struggle against losing all hope that I will ever have either a well paid or a fulfilling career again. But at least quitting the job that was clearly only a faster way to dig my own grave helped my mental health a bit.
- Maven911 8y agoI am nearing that age, but the displeasure started several years ago. I find myself a bit trapped with a a place where I am marrying 2 specialties that tend to go together, and that in theory should be an ideal job. But hte people, politics, and lack of genearl teamwork have left a sour taste. And it's not like I am ready to give up the money I save (I make a bit more because of the industry but still a lot less then others in this field). And since I am on an immigration visa, it's not as easy for me to hop around from place to place. A bit lost at what to do. Its not as if I am not following my heart because I think I am, I just do not like the environment, nor will it be any better at another unknown place.
- wastedhours 8y agoI'm the same - only just pre-30 but already tired by being the "expert" at what I do (I've tried repeatedly saying that "knowing a bit more about something than other staff here" is a shitty bar for "expert" status and they should get rid of me and replace me with someone who's genuinely good at it, and interested in it, alas, nothing). Other people might kill for my job, but honestly, it doesn't excite or engage me, and each day is literally just a march to get home and play with building my own stuff. I've worked in cyclical industries (education and yearly hiring cycles) pretty much since leaving university - I'd advise people to avoid these if you can unless you love redoing the same work time and time again (but with enough enforced differences so you actually do have to do it all again). The "Start > Push > Reset" cycle is inherently demotivating to me. Ideally, find something that compounds - where your work contributes to some kind of growth - rather than resets to zero again.
- nickjj 8y agoI'm 38 and have been a freelance developer for ~20 years and I'm still really into what I do. I enjoy what I do now more than 10 years ago. I suppose it comes down to enjoying what you do to the point where it doesn't feel like a job vs "having a job".
- ify 8y agoThere are a few things I'd like to know about the survey: - What were the jobs in the survey? Were they all office jobs? - What was the gender split in the survey? The anecdotes in the article were all female.
- DanielGee 8y agoI guess I was precocious then. My hate began at 25.
- tenaciousDaniel 8y agoI'm 34 and love working more than I ever have. Though I work at a really cool startup and feel really connected to my team. It's not perfect, we have a few issues, but overall I feel good about the work I do. I do feel drastically different as an employee though. I am starting to feel a real sense of ownership over my own actions. Not sure how to word that properly, but I no longer see my bosses as "owning" me in the way I used to. I never thought that explicitly, but I behaved as if they had complete control over me. If I were in a job I hated, I'd have far less tolerance for it at this age. Life is too short.
- zwieback 8y ago52 and loving my job. I get to do all sorts of fun technical stuff and get paid well. I don't care that I'm just a cog.
- munchhausen 8y ago> Two years ago, at age 34, she switched careers and learned how to code. Oh dear.
- roel_v 8y agoYeah, that stood out to me too. Out of the frying pan, into the fire...
- justsomedude43 8y agoThis is me and I'm 34. It started a year ago, so there's some truth to the article.
- Endy 8y agoReally? I started hating jobs at 25, honestly.
- js8 8y agoPeople here offer many good explanations, but I would like to offer a very simple one. People always want hope that they have other options. And as you get older, other options (to learn another job, for instance) diminish. So we get unhappy that we are stuck, and start to hate that situation.
- fecak 8y agoI write resumes for a living and coach on job search strategy (former recruiter as well), so I talk to several people a day who dislike their jobs enough to be looking for new ones. In your 20s everything is new and most people are learning all the time, and wages are consistently increasing. Often you are working to pay off debt, doing things you'd rather not be doing because you have to. You're too busy hustling to realize whether or not you are doing what you truly want to do. There comes a time where wages tend to plateau - in tech I think 35-45 is probably about the right window for that plateau to happen. By 35 you might be lucky enough to have figured out what you'd rather be doing, and at that age some people probably feel trapped in their career and may lack the confidence to retool. So now you have flattened wages and know what you'd like to do, but either lack the courage or feel helpless to make any changes. That can be a pretty upsetting realization for people at that stage in life. I've seen many people make major successful career changes at 35 and older. You certainly aren't stuck at that age, but the retooling process requires a strategy that might be anywhere from 3 months to 2 years depending on your starting point. If you hate your job, start planning for what's next as soon as you make that realization.
- gglitch 8y agoIf you develop these thoughts further, let us know. I'd read them.
- sudoaza 8y agoThats soooo much an understatement, been hating my jobs since i have them
- itronitron 8y agoI recommend the book "Fire Your Boss" for anyone that has a job :)
- olavgg 8y agoI find two books with that title on Amazon, which do you mean? Both perhaps? :-)
- itronitron 8y agoThe one by Stephen Pollan and Mark Levine, I haven't read the other one.
- curlcntr 8y agoI wonder if mid-30's could be a point of going either direction? At 34 I discovered a career passion around serving others, whereas previously the orientation was mostly toward myself. Nothing changed in my daily work, just a perspective.
- dougmwne 8y agoI recently went to a workshop demo for working with clay by a potter who'd been working his craft for 40 years. He was spinning the wheel and someone said it looked fun and asked if he still enjoyed it after all those years. He told us he's gone through several waves of enjoying and disliking throwing pots. He started off enjoying it. Then he stopped enjoying it for many years and just did it because it was his livelihood and the best way to support himself. Then one day, he had no idea why, while he was throwing a pot he had a moment where he noticed his hands and started enjoying it again for many years. He told us this has happened to him a few times and that he currently enjoys throwing pots.
- oliwarner 8y agoThere's too much negative focus on why work is bad here to recognise that it's both give and take. It's not just that work no longer excites, it's that you want to do other things. I'm 33. I have a 2 year old who demands time. I have a dog that I would like to spend time with. I have a shotgun and enjoy target shooting and wish I had more time to enjoy. I have couple of bikes and wish I had more time to ride them. I picked up woodworking just before my 2yo arrived and I wish I had more time to learn more. Every year I pick up another something I want more time to do but therefore every year I have to spread that time a little thinner. Time I have to spend working is the obvious target to blame. I'm certainly not saying that every work environment is great, or that some people get the work/life/expenses balance catastrophically wrong, but you can improve your experience of work by making sure you're still learning, expanding and don't fall into the typical ruts. Similarly if work is all you have, you've got nothing to work for. Find a balance.
- go_prodev 8y agoContracting has been the answer for me. Reply to me if you have: - worked many hours overtime without any recognition or remuneration - been caught up in office politics - felt unsatisfied with your job - felt like you could achieve more if the company listened to your advice - wanted a change of role without sacrificing your career 12 years ago I started contracting in data warehousing and analytics. I've alternated between permanent and contracting over the years. At 38 I'm contracting for a huge multinational company, working on exciting big data challenges and never been happier...it's literally my dream job. Between my day job and side project I work around 16 hours per day, but I love what I do. Fortunately I have a supportive wife and kids. Prior to this I managed a few teams at a big company and struggled to stay motivated. Contracting is not for everyone, but if you are passionate about what you do and like to work hard knowing there is an end in sight, it is well remunerated and keeps you in touch with the market without the HR responsibilities.
- triplee 8y agoWow, for once I was an early adopter! I started around like age 22, hardened at 30, and started rage quitting at 35. I didn't actually like my job again until age 38 when I found the right employer, because I got picky.
- CaptSpify 8y agoI've started to wonder if we're hitting a stage in society where we need to embrace the "mid-life crisis" as a normal stage of development, rather than as a problem. I personally would love if we had better systems in place to help people shift careers when they felt that their current one wasn't what they wanted. It seems to me that asking a 20 year old which career they are going to love for the next ~40 years is a bit absurd.
- blizzyb 8y agoI'm 35, can confirm.