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Does saying "he is jewish" make you a rascist ?
by mhkool 8y ago
Does saying "he is jewish" make you a rascist ?
- dogma1138 8y agoThe use of the ((()))) brackets kinda does.
- conception 8y agoMore than kinda - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses
- metalliqaz 8y agoActivist and former white supremacist Christian Picciolini claims that "globalist" was an intentional renaming of "Jewish" in order to make their message more palatable to mainstream conservatives.
- api 8y ago"Globalist" is a very old antisemitic slur -- see "The International Jew" by Henry Ford.
- cat199 8y agosooo.. If one is anti-globalist, one is inherently anti-semitic? What then does it mean to be a globalist? And further, if defending being a 'globalist' automatically implies 'defending jews' what does this implicitly imply 'all jews' actually believe geopolitically? the faulty logic runs deep in this line of thinking; the allegedly racist term then becomes 'the reality', which should then be protected..
- api 8y agoYou can be against neoliberalism, unfair trade, or international political entities overriding national sovereignty without being antisemitic. Picking a dog whistle term that happens to sound like a reasonable position is a standard political tactic. Another example: "family values" which is a euphemism for theocracy. Who would actually oppose "the family"?
- ramblerouser 8y agoHow do you describe "international political entities overriding national sovereignty" without using the word "globalist" or "internationalist"? (Both of which are antisemitic apparently)
- api 8y agoThat's exactly why white supremacists picked those terms.
- ramblerouser 8y agoIm asking you what term you think is appropriate. It seems like you dont think ANY word is appropriate, and that is 1984 newspeak. If your opponent isnt allowed to have a word to describe your position, they cant effectively argue against it. edit: Lol. Thank you for validating my theory.
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- ceejayoz 8y agoBreitbart is a repeated and notable example: https://twitter.com/obsoletedogma/status/897925242122887169?lang=en https://twitter.com/obsoletedogma/status/897925242122887169?...
- DoctorOetker 8y agoPeople seldom look up the etymology of words, symbols, etc... instead they typically deduce meaning from either A) usage or B) fitting with domain knowledge. For an example of A) most people think the word "perverse" means something like "sexually sick" i.e. they think a "perverse depiction" literally means a "sexually sick depiction". This is because we learn the word at a young age, and that is how most people use it, and we didn't bother to use dictionaries the first time you started using the word on the playground. In fact perverse comes from per- (away) and vertere (to turn), i.e. to turn away, or to turn a blind eye. For example a policeman approving of a crowd attacking a minority without intervening would be a true act of perversion as he "turns away" from the matter, similar with "perverse incentives" etc This however is a clear example of B) in my view: notice how the tweet is NOT some triple parentheses, if you count carefully you will see 7 parentheses in total. The author of the tweet probably encountered the symbol before in the context of Judaism and thought through his prior domain knowledge that it signified a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menorah_(Temple) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menorah_(Temple) which is a Jewish candelabra holding 7 candles. So while the triple parenteses meme could perfectly have an alt-right origin, the author obviously associated no racist or discriminatory connotation (btw religion is not a race). IMHO he simply refers to some unspecified "jewish issue"
- untog 8y ago> The author of the tweet probably encountered the symbol before in the context of Judaism and thought through his prior domain knowledge that it signified a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menorah_(Temple) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menorah_(Temple) which is a Jewish candelabra holding 7 candles. That is an absolutely massive stretch. Come on. We may all use the word "perverse" incorrectly, but it's a word we all hear. Not everyone hears/sees the ((())) denotation for Jewish people - in fact, it's almost exclusively used in alt-right circles. So if you're aware of it at all it is highly suggestive of the kind of company you keep.
- DoctorOetker 8y agoI never frequent alt-right nonsense, and I don't have a twitter facebook snapchat-roulette account. I had never seen before neither the triple parentheses nor the 7 parentheses. Its the first time I see empty nested parentheses. As I read the tweet, the first thing that entered my mind was the Menorah, (actually I thought it was called a candelabra, but after looking that up, I saw a 3-pronged candelabra on wikipedia, then somewhere in the page the Menorah was mentioned and I realized I was visualizing a Menorah...). Then I clicked the link to see how the triple parentheses could offend anyone, and I am now up to date to avoid using them (I never did, never even saw them anywhere else than the mentioned wikipedia page). Since my experience was one of recognizing the Menorah, I considered it entirely plausible that the author made the same association whenever he first encountered triple parentheses. So if my first reaction was seeing an ASCII Menorah, then to me no that is not "an absolute massive stretch" at all!! Once I saw the confusion I checked back on the number of parentheses and behold, unbalanced, exactly 7...
- posting2fast 8y agoThe full sentence is "But he’s jewish and engaged with the ((()))) issue." -- without further context, this says nothing, and those brackets weren't "used" anymore than you or I just did. That is, unless you're referring to something else, but with accusations as serious as this, and antisemitism being as sadly pervasive and serious as it is, I would like to see a source. If you actually are referring to the DM's on that page, just no, and wtf, since it's only time "(((" appears in all of it, the only other time Jewishness is mentioned seems not to be by Wikileaks. So, where's the meat?
- SlowRobotAhead 8y agoand those brackets weren't "used" anymore than you or I just did. Well... now you've done it! You've made hackernews and all of us altright extremists! According to some of the "logic" here.
- posting2fast 8y agoI've also "made" people downvote without explaining themselves, apparently. Maybe they don't know the difference between "function_name" and function_name();
- pbhjpbhj 8y agoI thought you were making a quip about the evils of unbalanced parantheses, but TIL punctuation can be considered racist.
- mywittyname 8y agoIt's pretty much a hashtag, but instead of meaning, "this phrase is searchable on social media," it means, "this person is Jewish." It's not necessary racist in and of itself. But the only reason to use it is to trigger anti-Semites. Normally people don't general care about a person's religion unless it's contextually relevant.
- tomtimtall 8y agoHow does using the brackets to communicate someone engaging with it suddenly become racist? That’s like saying a news reporter is antisemetic if he says: “And now a report on Tom who is a veteran who fought Nazies during ww2”. Omg, he said Nazi?! That makes him a Hitler sympathizer.
- untog 8y agoIt's fine to be ignorant of the ((())) denotation used by the alt-right to describe Jewish people - it's not something everyone is going to have seen. But your reaction shouldn't be to dismiss it just because you've never heard of it yourself.
- ComputerGuru 8y agoI never knew about them, I thought they were using it as a placeholder for something they didn’t want in text for CYA reasons until I saw the link to the Wikipedia article on the echo. Disgusting stuff.
- Bromskloss 8y agoHang on! I thought "engaged with the ((())) issue" meant "engaged with some issue related to people using triple parentheses to point out Jews". Are you saying that it meant "engaged with the Jewish cause"?
- travmatt 8y agoDo people who aren’t racist focus on your ethnicity when they’re looking to criticize your professional work? Do you believe pointing out someone’s ethnicity/religion is a valid rebuttal of their arguments?
- SlowRobotAhead 8y agoI think the context there is "But he’s jewish and engaged with the ((()))) issue" which isn't looking to criticize him for being Jewish or his work - but rather some other aspect we can't make a decision about. Or..... Just jump to pitchforks! More of that exchange if you do want context instead of pitchforks... [2016-08-23 01:21:32] <WISE Up Action> Satter is desperately trying to make smoke. [2016-08-23 03:01:11] <M> Interesting to look through his past tweets re WL. He covered Saudi Cables when they came out, but I didn’t see any mention of personal info concerns (however, I only skimmed his tweets). He seemed to turn against WL after AKP, DNC and has attacked them since. [2016-08-23 03:11:41] <M> Also note that he is trying to make this a new, recent story (“in the past year”) but Saudi Cables where 95% of claims stem from are over a year old. [2016-08-23 04:46:09] <WikiLeaks> He’s always ben a rat. [2016-08-23 04:46:27] <WikiLeaks> But he’s jewish and engaged with the ((()))) issue. [2016-08-23 05:28:35] <WikiLeaks> http://Govwaste.co.uk* http://Govwaste.co.uk* [2016-08-23 05:35:50] <Emmy B> surprising I don’t see any archived links from there, I thought I had archived some pages* [2016-08-23 06:04:49] <Emmy B> Last wayback machine capture: https://web.archive.org/web/20160811212406/http://govwaste.co.uk/* https://web.archive.org/web/20160811212406/http://govwaste.c... [2016-08-23 07:23:25] <M> Looking into it* [2016-08-23 09:15:15] <WISE Up Action> Satter is keeping going in general and wide-ranging attacks on WL /JA [2016-08-23 12:58:54] <WikiLeaks> Bog him down. Get him to show statements of his bias. [2016-08-23 13:03:28] <WikiLeaks> He’s the son of David Satter, who is mentioned in our cables. DS is a senior member of the Hudson institute and a well known Russia basher and NSA apologist. He was expelled from Russia in 2008 and 2014. Rafael grew up in Washington DC So... is WL being racist? No, it doesn't seem it. Is WL using ((())) in any sort of racist way? No, not at all. What is wrong with some of you? Please leave your nonsense at Reddit.
- travmatt 8y agoEdited to respond to the edit: 1) Where is this magical context you keep pointing towards? 2) How is his ethnicity related to the article he wrote? 3) How is this not judging this reporter solely on the basis of his ethnicity? I understand you may have a preference for not calling anyone or anything racist regardless of the circumstances, but I work differently. I’m more than willing to reevaluate the context if given more information, but you seem to be telling me that it’s fine to judge reporters work by their ethnicity, irregardless of whether that ethnicity is related to the subject matter at hand.
- mc32 8y agoDoesn’t that depend on context and intent? Does saying ...”but he’s white” mean someone is racist for bringing up race? I think it depends on context and intent.
- nailer 8y agoIt doesn't, but 'white' isn't a race - a pale person from Britain is very different from a pale person from Spain or a pale person from Bulgaria. Black americans are considered a race because they have shared experiences in the US, and until recently couldn't be traced to a single country of origin. "He's a rat, but he's British and engaged with the ((( ))) issue." "He's a rat, but he's Spanish and engaged with the ((( ))) issue." "He's a rat, but he's Bulgarian and engaged with the ((( ))) issue." "He's a rat, but he's a black American and engaged with the ((( ))) issue." None strikes me as particularly racist, just that someone is disliked, and is now engaged with an issue to do with their origin.
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