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I'm a programmer working at a big-tech company. I make ~$350k/year, even though my job could be done equally well by a college intern. I only do ~2 hours of pro

I'm a programmer working at a big-tech company. I make ~$350k/year, even though my job could be done equally well by a college intern. I only do ~2 hours of productive work in an average day. My previous jobs were far more interesting and challenging, and I had apparently done extremely well in my interviews. Hence why I got an offer with an extremely good compensation package. However, the team that I go put into, is one of the slowest moving and least useful I've ever seen. I spent my first couple months trying to make things better, and be more productive - only to have my team-lead actively micromanage and stonewall me in order to bring my productivity down to a crawl. I tried talking to my manager about it, but they started blaming me personally every time I pointed out any ways of improving the way we do things. Eventually, I stopped trying at all, did the best I could (~2 hours/day of productivity), and just zoned out the rest of the time. Apparently this has pleased my manager/team-lead, and everything has been smooth (boring) sailing ever since. It still boggles my mind that I'm getting paid $350k/year to essentially browse HN and post stuff like this all day.

billysielu 9y ago
Nice username :)
modbait 9y ago
Through my long career, I've notice virtually no correlation between my pay and the utility of my position. And indeed, I've had one or two jobs like yours. Sadly for my bank book, I can only stand being useless for relatively short stretches. I still reminisce about my lowest paying job, my first. It was probably the most enjoyable and satisfying. It was also useful, though perhaps not at the top of that list. It's annoying that so many useless jobs pay so much. But even worse that it's so hard to find a position where being useful is even a possibility.
- not_real_acct 9y ago
  My experience is similar. I look at it a lot like insurance policies. For instance, my company once had a service contract with a software company that cost about a million a year. One time I audited that service contract, and found that they'd used it exactly ONCE the entire. A million dollar phone call. But they're not going to cancel the contract, because they want the support in case they need it.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 9y ago
  > I still reminisce about my lowest paying job, my first. It was probably the most enjoyable and satisfying. Weird. I share this experience. My first tech job was really great, I was constantly doing interesting things, actively making things better for everybody all the time, really like all my colleagues, it was part time, and I made a pittance.
- edraferi 9y ago
  There's an economic theory that job satisfaction is a kind of compensation. That is, you have to pay people more to do unsatisfying jobs.
  - evanpw 9y ago
    For those who are interested, the phrase to Google is “compensating differential”
  - exolymph 9y ago
    This is just a form of supply and demand. More people want to do $desirable_job or $satisfying_job (and there's plenty of overlap), so you don't have to pay them as much, because there's always another person in line to take the position.
  - nikanj 9y ago
    “Passion” careers are a great example of this. Many people would gladly save the planet or do art for free, so the pay in arts and environmental protection is really low.
  - interfixus 8y ago
    There is such a theory, yes. It has obviously never encountered low-paying, shitty, backbreaking work on the factory floor.
    - icebraining 8y ago
      I don't think the theory implies it's the only effect on salaries, only that it's a factor. Obviously when the workers have very few or no alternatives, the effect will be minimal. But I know people who dropped out of college courses that provided a good chance of a middle-class income for a career that fulfilled them more, despite paying like crap. So the effect exists.
  - ItsMe000001 8y ago
    I doubt that top-paying jobs like CEO are undesirable to those people who have them as well as those who would like to have them. On the other hand all really shitty jobs pay nothing - that's true for hundreds of millions, maybe even billions of people worldwide. A >100k$ programmer office job in the US does not belong in the "shitty job" category, no matter how much someone complains online because they are bored while comfortably sitting in their chair waiting for the next big paycheck to arrive reliably. That rule must have been made by one of those super-rich people grumbling about how unfair life treats them and how the government attempts to steal "their" money. https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/02/poor-lives-rich-people/331159/ https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/02/po...
- madeofpalk 8y ago
  As I continue my (relatively young as a 20-something year old) web development career, I occasionally look back at my KFC job I had during uni and end of school with great fondness. I honestly really enjoyed that job - it was fun working with great people doing a job of the right level of complexity and mental stimulation.
  - droidist2 8y ago
    Well you're only in your 20s, it's not too late to make KFC your career if that's your passion.
- afterburner 8y ago
  I learned very early on that pay and employment largely depends on budgets.
- christophilus 8y ago
  In my career, I'd say the correlation is an inverse proportion. The more useful / needed I was the less I was paid and the other way around... It's curious. I'll have to put some thought into why this might be.
- rotub 8y ago
  That's a hell of a lot of $. I was on $100K for doing a similar amount of depressingly simple or "easy" work, while being surrounded by people who felt or at least appeared stuck. It seems like a dream but I also got really demotivated and my sharp skills quickly became stale and then one day I realised I didn't care enough to upskill again. The job became more about appearance and saying the right things, showing your face in the right meetings, and claiming recognition for other people's work. I've now shelved that career. The money wasn't worth the feeling of guilt or missing out. I think the hardest part was knowing I was getting paid double than people who worked 3X harder.
pbrb 9y ago
Which city? I'm in the midwest and would need that comp to relocate to SF or NY ;( didn't think it would actually be viable. Actually, if you have some time for some questions, can you PM me?
- askafriend 9y ago
  You can get that comp as a senior engineer at any decent large company or any of the FANG companies.
  - pbrb 9y ago
    I guess I'll have to brush up on whiteboard interviews. It just seems goofy that 350k is normal! I'm a sr engineer in chicago, and thought there was no way I could command the salary needed to make COL worth it.
    - duderific 9y ago
      I think that's far from normal...if you look at any board of average senior level engineering salaries, even in Silicon Valley and even at the FAANG companies, it's nowhere near that.
      - pjscott 9y ago
        Wait, are we talking about salary or total compensation? The latter includes things like stock, and is often quite a bit bigger.
  - vonmoltke 9y ago
    What non-FAANG company pays that much for an IC or lead (excluding hedge funds)? If any are in NY I would love to know the names.
anoncoward1234 9y ago
Sounds great! Are you guys hiring?
basejumping 9y ago
Don't be so happy about it. I'm like you but 5 years in the future when it's time to look for a new job. At the beginning I was keeping my skills sharp, but after a while you become lazy. Especially when you see everyone around you not doing anything you sort of lose your motivation to do work.
- mrfusion 9y ago
  So how do you get your skills back?
  - 21 9y ago
    You work on a personal project in the other 6 hours instead of browsing HN. Or at least watch videos on youtube about various technologies.
  - BartBoch 9y ago
    Build a side project. It can be non-profit.
  - derivagral 9y ago
    For me, its been about rekindling the desire to make/do things and hack around like I used to love doing, instead of twitch, HN, tv, etc.
    - fencepost 9y ago
      Seems to me that you might be able to keep the twitch part of that, but as a creator rather than a consumer. Sometimes having an audience might make a difference, and sometimes it'll be of interest to others (e.g. Wintergatan Wednesdays on YouTube)
not_real_acct 9y ago
On a Monday I quit my job and gave my two week notice. The next day my wife was fired. The day after that, my old boss offered me a raise if I would stick around. I did both jobs simultaneously for six months. In my entire life nothing has been more lucrative than this. I've tried investing in stocks, bonds, and real estate. Nothing has been more lucrative than double-dipping. The thing that's so bizarre, is that it also seemed to make me a better employee. I wasn't trying to be a scofflaw, I just kinda fell into it (due to my wife being fired). I found that things I learned from Job One made me better at Job Two, and vice versa. I think a big part of the reason that this is, is because a lot of tech jobs are basically "human insurance policies." For instance, my employer paid me because I'm an expert in an obscure software program. So there weeks when I was busy as hell, but there were also weeks when I was basically there in case something broke. I founded a forum on Reddit dedicated to this, it's called WWPGD. (A tip of the hat to Peter Gibbons from 'Office Space')
- whack 9y ago
  I'm assuming at least one job (or both) is remote-only? This would be a hilarious story if you somehow managed to hold two simultaneous 9-5 on-site jobs, in neighboring offices.
  - rahimnathwani 9y ago
    There was a story on here about exactly that a few years back. IIRC the guy was a network support guy or similar, so both jobs were mostly reactive and didn't require lots of meetings or presence.
  - not_real_acct 8y ago
    Yes. I turned one laptop into a virtual machine, and then I loaded that vm onto the other laptop. So I had two jobs, one office, and one laptop. One job was remote, one was onsite.
- egypturnash 9y ago
  It feels like you're missing a line somewhere in this - you talk about quitting your job, your wife getting fired, and your now-ex-boss offering you a raise to stick around, then start talking about "both jobs" without ever mentioning a new job.
southphillyman 9y ago
I've had several jobs which have had "cycles of inactivity". Basically periods where we are just doing busy work until a project gets signed off on or until client(s) commit to a new release, etc. I would use it to learn something new, take care of technical debt, automate something, or......relax
camgunz 9y ago
This exact thing happened to me, even though I wasn't paid as well. In order to match the pace of my team I only did work on Fridays. It was depressing how many problems it solved.
conductr 9y ago
Save, don't spend, so don't get used to living on that salary. If you do, you risk getting trapped.
rolandog 9y ago
Can we switch places? (Meager salary and doing the work of 4 people).
- casefields 9y ago
  People like you are the ones making up for incompetent workers and fat cats up top. And the systems rolls on in equilibrium.
hectorr1 9y ago
That sounds really boring and depressing.
senatorobama 9y ago
What seniority are you?
Maven911 9y ago
You don't happen to work at a large bank do you? Many friends at banks say this is common place.
deleted 9y ago
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HillaryBriss 9y ago
you are my hero. i live vicariously through you. please keep up the good work.
Clubber 9y ago
I wouldn't be able to stand it. The only thing that combats the suck of going to an office every day is having something to do to make the time pass. I would go insane.
- flycaliguy 9y ago
  You could code up some software that animated money going into your bank account.
cle 9y ago
It makes sense sometimes. If you have a huge, complex organization, it might make sense to have predictable, synchronous cogs. It makes planning easier and less risky, and moving the entire system as a whole is easier if the individual parts don't vary too much.
branchless 9y ago
Does your company have an effective monopoly or is part an oligopoly? Normally companies can run with gross inefficiencies because of lack of competition.
amelius 8y ago
Instead of zoning out, why not work on a cool side-project?
- DanBC 8y ago
  The IP ownership can sometimes be a bit confusing.
  - amelius 8y ago
    Why even tell them? I bet in many cases it's easier to hide working on a side-project than to hide reading & posting comments to HN.
- billfruit 8y ago
  Ethically slightly problematic to work on some side project, than in doing creative time wasting.
  - matwood 8y ago
    Yeah. If I'm on work time, working on a potential side project feels ethically wrong. This is different than wasting time on HN, or reading about some new programming language because that knowledge gain could be used at work at some point.
    - amelius 8y ago
      I would just think of it as keeping the machine oiled.
matwood 8y ago
> only to have my team-lead actively micromanage and stonewall me in order to bring my productivity down to a crawl When leading, my default is to give people space. Unfortunately, that means if someone needs micro-managing I'm typically not the right person. This is different than mentoring, which I enjoy (not sure if I'm any good at it though ;) ). And obviously, I'm always there for questions. What I don't understand is how leads/managers have the time micromanage people. If a person can't trust their team to do a good job, then they should not be leading a team. > but they started blaming me personally every time I pointed out any ways of improving the way we do things. Even if it was your fault, this is wrong. All problems are the leads problems. The lead should be asking him/herself why you went around them to the manager? The manager should be asking the lead the same question. I'm so happy I don't work in a big company anymore.
0x445442 8y ago
This is interesting and sad to me. Sad because it's at least one data point that refutes a theory I've had. I've been on a job search for some time now in the same field which you're employed. I've had a number of interviews but I think things have stalled a few times when it's come to salary negotiation. I've been approaching things with the theory that the more I'm compensated the less likely I'd be in the situation you've described and the one I find myself currently in. So, I've been asking well above market rate in the hopes that if I find a taker I'd force the employer's hand in tasking me with non bullshit work. Your story shoots that theory all to hell.
- bonniemuffin 8y ago
  If you're looking for meaningful, interesting work on a high-functioning team, IMO the only way to be sure is to only apply to companies where you already know someone working there. Find someone you know who genuinely likes their job, and have them refer you to a position at their company. Anything else is just reading tea leaves.
  - 0x445442 8y ago
    So my son and I undertook an interesting project of sorts a few months ago... We attempted to obtain bitcoin while remaining completely anonymous. The only way that I could see to successfully do this was to either purchase directly from someone using cash via Craigslist or the like, exchanging a good or service directly with someone for bitcoin or mining of course. To me using cryptos as a derivative of existing fiat is the weak link in the chain as the anonymity all but goes away. And when that goes away the concerns you've stated reappear because decentralization is gone.
pg_bot 8y ago
You are living my nightmare
rotub 8y ago
That's a hell of a lot of $. I was on $100K for doing a similar amount of depressingly simple or "easy" work, while being surrounded by people who felt or at least appeared stuck. It seems like a dream but I also got really demotivated and my sharp skills quickly became stale and then one day I realised I didn't care enough to upskill again. The job became more about appearance and saying the right things, showing your face in the right meetings, and claiming recognition for other people's work. I've now shelved that career. The money wasn't worth the feeling of guilt or missing out. I think the hardest part was knowing I was getting paid double than people who worked 3X harder.

billysielu 9y ago

Nice username :)

modbait 9y ago

Through my long career, I've notice virtually no correlation between my pay and the utility of my position. And indeed, I've had one or two jobs like yours. Sadly for my bank book, I can only stand being useless for relatively short stretches. I still reminisce about my lowest paying job, my first. It was probably the most enjoyable and satisfying. It was also useful, though perhaps not at the top of that list. It's annoying that so many useless jobs pay so much. But even worse that it's so hard to find a position where being useful is even a possibility.

not_real_acct 9y ago
My experience is similar. I look at it a lot like insurance policies. For instance, my company once had a service contract with a software company that cost about a million a year. One time I audited that service contract, and found that they'd used it exactly ONCE the entire. A million dollar phone call. But they're not going to cancel the contract, because they want the support in case they need it.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 9y ago
> I still reminisce about my lowest paying job, my first. It was probably the most enjoyable and satisfying. Weird. I share this experience. My first tech job was really great, I was constantly doing interesting things, actively making things better for everybody all the time, really like all my colleagues, it was part time, and I made a pittance.
edraferi 9y ago
There's an economic theory that job satisfaction is a kind of compensation. That is, you have to pay people more to do unsatisfying jobs.
- evanpw 9y ago
  For those who are interested, the phrase to Google is “compensating differential”
- exolymph 9y ago
  This is just a form of supply and demand. More people want to do $desirable_job or $satisfying_job (and there's plenty of overlap), so you don't have to pay them as much, because there's always another person in line to take the position.
- nikanj 9y ago
  “Passion” careers are a great example of this. Many people would gladly save the planet or do art for free, so the pay in arts and environmental protection is really low.
- interfixus 8y ago
  There is such a theory, yes. It has obviously never encountered low-paying, shitty, backbreaking work on the factory floor.
  - icebraining 8y ago
    I don't think the theory implies it's the only effect on salaries, only that it's a factor. Obviously when the workers have very few or no alternatives, the effect will be minimal. But I know people who dropped out of college courses that provided a good chance of a middle-class income for a career that fulfilled them more, despite paying like crap. So the effect exists.
- ItsMe000001 8y ago
  I doubt that top-paying jobs like CEO are undesirable to those people who have them as well as those who would like to have them. On the other hand all really shitty jobs pay nothing - that's true for hundreds of millions, maybe even billions of people worldwide. A >100k$ programmer office job in the US does not belong in the "shitty job" category, no matter how much someone complains online because they are bored while comfortably sitting in their chair waiting for the next big paycheck to arrive reliably. That rule must have been made by one of those super-rich people grumbling about how unfair life treats them and how the government attempts to steal "their" money. https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/02/poor-lives-rich-people/331159/ https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/02/po...
madeofpalk 8y ago
As I continue my (relatively young as a 20-something year old) web development career, I occasionally look back at my KFC job I had during uni and end of school with great fondness. I honestly really enjoyed that job - it was fun working with great people doing a job of the right level of complexity and mental stimulation.
- droidist2 8y ago
  Well you're only in your 20s, it's not too late to make KFC your career if that's your passion.
afterburner 8y ago
I learned very early on that pay and employment largely depends on budgets.
christophilus 8y ago
In my career, I'd say the correlation is an inverse proportion. The more useful / needed I was the less I was paid and the other way around... It's curious. I'll have to put some thought into why this might be.
rotub 8y ago
That's a hell of a lot of $. I was on $100K for doing a similar amount of depressingly simple or "easy" work, while being surrounded by people who felt or at least appeared stuck. It seems like a dream but I also got really demotivated and my sharp skills quickly became stale and then one day I realised I didn't care enough to upskill again. The job became more about appearance and saying the right things, showing your face in the right meetings, and claiming recognition for other people's work. I've now shelved that career. The money wasn't worth the feeling of guilt or missing out. I think the hardest part was knowing I was getting paid double than people who worked 3X harder.

pbrb 9y ago

Which city? I'm in the midwest and would need that comp to relocate to SF or NY ;( didn't think it would actually be viable. Actually, if you have some time for some questions, can you PM me?

askafriend 9y ago
You can get that comp as a senior engineer at any decent large company or any of the FANG companies.
- pbrb 9y ago
  I guess I'll have to brush up on whiteboard interviews. It just seems goofy that 350k is normal! I'm a sr engineer in chicago, and thought there was no way I could command the salary needed to make COL worth it.
  - duderific 9y ago
    I think that's far from normal...if you look at any board of average senior level engineering salaries, even in Silicon Valley and even at the FAANG companies, it's nowhere near that.
    - pjscott 9y ago
      Wait, are we talking about salary or total compensation? The latter includes things like stock, and is often quite a bit bigger.
- vonmoltke 9y ago
  What non-FAANG company pays that much for an IC or lead (excluding hedge funds)? If any are in NY I would love to know the names.

anoncoward1234 9y ago

Sounds great! Are you guys hiring?

basejumping 9y ago

Don't be so happy about it. I'm like you but 5 years in the future when it's time to look for a new job. At the beginning I was keeping my skills sharp, but after a while you become lazy. Especially when you see everyone around you not doing anything you sort of lose your motivation to do work.

mrfusion 9y ago
So how do you get your skills back?
- 21 9y ago
  You work on a personal project in the other 6 hours instead of browsing HN. Or at least watch videos on youtube about various technologies.
- BartBoch 9y ago
  Build a side project. It can be non-profit.
- derivagral 9y ago
  For me, its been about rekindling the desire to make/do things and hack around like I used to love doing, instead of twitch, HN, tv, etc.
  - fencepost 9y ago
    Seems to me that you might be able to keep the twitch part of that, but as a creator rather than a consumer. Sometimes having an audience might make a difference, and sometimes it'll be of interest to others (e.g. Wintergatan Wednesdays on YouTube)

not_real_acct 9y ago

On a Monday I quit my job and gave my two week notice. The next day my wife was fired. The day after that, my old boss offered me a raise if I would stick around. I did both jobs simultaneously for six months. In my entire life nothing has been more lucrative than this. I've tried investing in stocks, bonds, and real estate. Nothing has been more lucrative than double-dipping. The thing that's so bizarre, is that it also seemed to make me a better employee. I wasn't trying to be a scofflaw, I just kinda fell into it (due to my wife being fired). I found that things I learned from Job One made me better at Job Two, and vice versa. I think a big part of the reason that this is, is because a lot of tech jobs are basically "human insurance policies." For instance, my employer paid me because I'm an expert in an obscure software program. So there weeks when I was busy as hell, but there were also weeks when I was basically there in case something broke. I founded a forum on Reddit dedicated to this, it's called WWPGD. (A tip of the hat to Peter Gibbons from 'Office Space')

whack 9y ago
I'm assuming at least one job (or both) is remote-only? This would be a hilarious story if you somehow managed to hold two simultaneous 9-5 on-site jobs, in neighboring offices.
- rahimnathwani 9y ago
  There was a story on here about exactly that a few years back. IIRC the guy was a network support guy or similar, so both jobs were mostly reactive and didn't require lots of meetings or presence.
- not_real_acct 8y ago
  Yes. I turned one laptop into a virtual machine, and then I loaded that vm onto the other laptop. So I had two jobs, one office, and one laptop. One job was remote, one was onsite.
egypturnash 9y ago
It feels like you're missing a line somewhere in this - you talk about quitting your job, your wife getting fired, and your now-ex-boss offering you a raise to stick around, then start talking about "both jobs" without ever mentioning a new job.

southphillyman 9y ago

I've had several jobs which have had "cycles of inactivity". Basically periods where we are just doing busy work until a project gets signed off on or until client(s) commit to a new release, etc. I would use it to learn something new, take care of technical debt, automate something, or......relax

camgunz 9y ago

This exact thing happened to me, even though I wasn't paid as well. In order to match the pace of my team I only did work on Fridays. It was depressing how many problems it solved.

conductr 9y ago

Save, don't spend, so don't get used to living on that salary. If you do, you risk getting trapped.

rolandog 9y ago

Can we switch places? (Meager salary and doing the work of 4 people).

casefields 9y ago
People like you are the ones making up for incompetent workers and fat cats up top. And the systems rolls on in equilibrium.

hectorr1 9y ago

That sounds really boring and depressing.

senatorobama 9y ago

What seniority are you?

Maven911 9y ago

You don't happen to work at a large bank do you? Many friends at banks say this is common place.

deleted 9y ago

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HillaryBriss 9y ago

you are my hero. i live vicariously through you. please keep up the good work.

Clubber 9y ago

I wouldn't be able to stand it. The only thing that combats the suck of going to an office every day is having something to do to make the time pass. I would go insane.

flycaliguy 9y ago
You could code up some software that animated money going into your bank account.

cle 9y ago

It makes sense sometimes. If you have a huge, complex organization, it might make sense to have predictable, synchronous cogs. It makes planning easier and less risky, and moving the entire system as a whole is easier if the individual parts don't vary too much.

branchless 9y ago

Does your company have an effective monopoly or is part an oligopoly? Normally companies can run with gross inefficiencies because of lack of competition.

amelius 8y ago

Instead of zoning out, why not work on a cool side-project?

DanBC 8y ago
The IP ownership can sometimes be a bit confusing.
- amelius 8y ago
  Why even tell them? I bet in many cases it's easier to hide working on a side-project than to hide reading & posting comments to HN.
billfruit 8y ago
Ethically slightly problematic to work on some side project, than in doing creative time wasting.
- matwood 8y ago
  Yeah. If I'm on work time, working on a potential side project feels ethically wrong. This is different than wasting time on HN, or reading about some new programming language because that knowledge gain could be used at work at some point.
  - amelius 8y ago
    I would just think of it as keeping the machine oiled.

matwood 8y ago

> only to have my team-lead actively micromanage and stonewall me in order to bring my productivity down to a crawl When leading, my default is to give people space. Unfortunately, that means if someone needs micro-managing I'm typically not the right person. This is different than mentoring, which I enjoy (not sure if I'm any good at it though ;) ). And obviously, I'm always there for questions. What I don't understand is how leads/managers have the time micromanage people. If a person can't trust their team to do a good job, then they should not be leading a team. > but they started blaming me personally every time I pointed out any ways of improving the way we do things. Even if it was your fault, this is wrong. All problems are the leads problems. The lead should be asking him/herself why you went around them to the manager? The manager should be asking the lead the same question. I'm so happy I don't work in a big company anymore.

0x445442 8y ago

This is interesting and sad to me. Sad because it's at least one data point that refutes a theory I've had. I've been on a job search for some time now in the same field which you're employed. I've had a number of interviews but I think things have stalled a few times when it's come to salary negotiation. I've been approaching things with the theory that the more I'm compensated the less likely I'd be in the situation you've described and the one I find myself currently in. So, I've been asking well above market rate in the hopes that if I find a taker I'd force the employer's hand in tasking me with non bullshit work. Your story shoots that theory all to hell.

bonniemuffin 8y ago
If you're looking for meaningful, interesting work on a high-functioning team, IMO the only way to be sure is to only apply to companies where you already know someone working there. Find someone you know who genuinely likes their job, and have them refer you to a position at their company. Anything else is just reading tea leaves.
- 0x445442 8y ago
  So my son and I undertook an interesting project of sorts a few months ago... We attempted to obtain bitcoin while remaining completely anonymous. The only way that I could see to successfully do this was to either purchase directly from someone using cash via Craigslist or the like, exchanging a good or service directly with someone for bitcoin or mining of course. To me using cryptos as a derivative of existing fiat is the weak link in the chain as the anonymity all but goes away. And when that goes away the concerns you've stated reappear because decentralization is gone.

pg_bot 8y ago

You are living my nightmare

rotub 8y ago

That's a hell of a lot of $. I was on $100K for doing a similar amount of depressingly simple or "easy" work, while being surrounded by people who felt or at least appeared stuck. It seems like a dream but I also got really demotivated and my sharp skills quickly became stale and then one day I realised I didn't care enough to upskill again. The job became more about appearance and saying the right things, showing your face in the right meetings, and claiming recognition for other people's work. I've now shelved that career. The money wasn't worth the feeling of guilt or missing out. I think the hardest part was knowing I was getting paid double than people who worked 3X harder.