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Downloaded my Facebook data and it has the call history with my partner’s mother
- agumonkey 9y agoGod I miss the landline phone days
- kindohm 9y agoFacebook can't be the only app that has collected this data, can it? What about every other app that requests permission to see that data?
- soziawa 9y ago> What about every other app that requests permission to see that data? Of course they'll collect and save it somewhere as well.
- sgift 9y agoTwo month to go. End of May GDPR will start the end of this.
- Fiahil 9y agoI wholeheartedly agree. Deleting inappropriate (facebook) data collection is what GDPR is made for.
- pbhjpbhj 9y agoIn the EU only though. Facebook have enough resources to keep separate versions and manage people who are geographically mobile.
- soziawa 9y ago> In the EU only though. That's enough for me.
- pbhjpbhj 9y agoYou're going to make this unwilling Brexiteer cry. Damn it.
- sgift 9y agoMaybe you can use the "THAT people on the continent have better protections than us"-argument to pressure your government Post-Brexit to introduce something similar. I wouldn't bet on it, but .. it's worth a try?
- jackdh 9y agoDon't worry it's staying in full force in the UK as well. It's currently a massive issue for us. https://www.local.gov.uk/our-support/general-data-protection-regulation-gdpr https://www.local.gov.uk/our-support/general-data-protection...
- simaracode 9y agoNot just EU, any EU citizen or dual nationality with EU passport holder. So plenty of people from other countries too.
- znpy 9y agoMy "main" account has been disable for years. I have a secondary facebook profile that i used to use like once a month to keep in contact with maybe 4-5 friends (as in facebook friends) and many others via a group that we have in common. Since I moved in my current city about 5-6 years ago, there was no connection to my previous city. Yet Facebook managed to understand who one of my cousins was and suggested I added it as friend. SCARY.
- jerrre 9y agoNo problem, it's just meta-data \s
- taneq 9y agoYou'd get along great with the Australian government. /grr
- swarnie_ 9y agoCould this be data sharing between Facebook and Whatsapp? FB was asked to stop that practice around the end of 2017
- dyl 9y agoMy particular case was not related to WhatsApp (OP of the tweet here) as I had never installed or used WhatsApp until yesterday.
- pbalau 9y agoCan you reply to [0]? Copying here: >> You know, you're going on about the data that fb has... and yet you've just shared other peoples names all over the internet. (Unless you've changed them, as the font seems different in the photo?) [0] https://twitter.com/i400s/status/977102139263782912 https://twitter.com/i400s/status/977102139263782912
- Raphmedia 9y agoPeople's names are public. I don't see any issue with OP sharing them. There's no context at all.
- pbalau 9y agoYou just illustrated the main issue here. People's names are public, true. Those people using to have a relationship with the op, both the fact that there was a relationship at some point and that there is no relationship atm, is NOT public info. That's not OPs information to give away. This is the problem I have with the #deletefacebook thing, deleting facebook and even facebook disappearing all together is not going to make the world more secure, as most people seem to believe. There are many more companies that have data about you, for example did you ever wondered how many websites you use are using jquery from code.jquery.org cdn? The info shared by OP might not affect any of the parties involved. So does most of the crap facebook "leaked". But what if that info is affecting somebody? You might be pointing out that laws could be enacted to prevent this from happening. It's a fact that laws cannot keep up with technology. The solution is to educate yourself about how online works, about what data means and then educate the persons around you about this.
- NiklasMort 9y agoand this kids is why you a) don't use Facebook apps and b) don't use your real name on FB (or really anywhere if not absolutely necessary)
- chillwaves 9y agoAnd why I delete my Reddit account and re-image my computer every few months. And why I use a VPN. You don't have to outrun the bear, just the guy next to you.
- 24gttghh 9y agoYou don't delete your HN account every few months it seems ;)
- chillwaves 9y agoIt's a better community and I say things in less controversial ways because of it.
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- dvfjsdhgfv 9y agoThis! People think it's just a "Facebook problem". It's not. Many services work in a similar way, FB just one of the high-profile ones. After the initial enthusiasm, at least tech-savvy folks think well before installing a new app and giving your real name (or even an e-mail address that you actually regularly use) to any company on the internet.
- wruwew8uu9 9y agoFB has already inferred your identity from the graph structure and by referrences to you in conversations by family and friends
- oblio 9y agoHeh, I didn't have a Facebook account until several years ago. At some point I heard some coworkers discussing about something posted on Facebook, a post was about me. So I decided I'd make an account. One of the first screens was that list of suggestions for people to add as friends. Guess what? Even though they had almost no info on me, from me, the list had almost everyone I knew, even neatly sorted by level of interactions across the time. I had just activated the "shadow" profile they had on me from everyone else...
- weavie 9y agoCould it be the email address you signed up with was in their contact list?
- oblio 9y agoThat would explain the list, but not the sorting.
- adventured 9y agoWhat does the level of interactions refer to? (what kind of interaction)
- oblio 9y agoRecent co-workers ahead of past ones, people I met recently ahead of those I met a longer time ago, family ahead of friends and other acquaintances. I remember thinking: they definitely aggregated a lot of sources to get this list.
- absove 9y agoCould it be people who searched for you before you made your account? I've noticed something similar with a handful of people but always assumed they were people who searched for my name and couldn't find me at the time, so their search was put on hold until an account with the corresponding was created.
- wongmjane 9y agoNot surprised. Facebook/Messenger Android App can read phone call log. Somewhere in their Messenger Android app indicates they might be planning to provide a dialer and support voice calling. It makes the excuse of reading call log more justifiable /s
- JumpCrisscross 9y agoCan the iOS WhatsApp app read call logs? I block it from my contacts et cetera but am not sure about call logs.
- xuki 9y agoNo they can’t. No 3rd party apps can read call logs and messages. 1st party (Apple’s) can.
- ikawe 9y agoiOS doesn’t offer that capability. The closest thing is CallKit which allows a voip app like WhatsApp to write calls into the system call log.
- ElectronShak 9y agoBut i think if you have friends & family that use android devices,..you are still in the loop.
- xuki 9y agoHere's how: Facebook requested those permissions on Android and scrapped them. Users (includes technical people like OP) just blindly click "Yes" on every pop up. Even if you're super careful with your permission, Facebook can still construct a good profile of you via the people you're communicating with.
- ocdtrekkie 9y agoAndroid has not, until extremely recently, required apps to request permission for things at runtime. Android 5.1, which is what was in use here, I believe, did not. Installing Android apps for most of Android's lifetime required granting it all the permissions it asked for.
- Slansitartop 9y ago> Android has not, until extremely recently, required apps to request permission for things at runtime. Or allowed permissions to be selectively denied. I think that was introduced in Android 6.
- ocdtrekkie 9y agoYeah, I believe these two things are more or less part of the same major API change to how permissions are handled. Note that until like... this year, you could simply target older Android versions to prevent users denying your app's permissions. It looks like Google's going to try to start forcing apps to comply with targeting requirements to get apps on the Play Store now. But this really is a "too little, too late" situation, IMHO. Billions of users, as Android team likes to brag about, are already compromised.
- cornholio 9y agoThe Android Facebook messenger is pure cancer. It will hijack the default SMS application and scrape all available information to the mothership. I mostly stopped responding to Facebook messages and refuse to acknowledge it as a legitimate way to contact me. But if you absolutely need to use the messenger, I recommend using a Hermit lite application, that hocks into the web version of the messenger and leaks no more info than any other web Facebook session. You can use Hermit to replace many proprietary bloated apps, and even create pseudo "apps" for sites that don't feature one, like this site, with a nice icon on your desktop.
- ocdtrekkie 9y agoI think the issue is not the Android Facebook messenger. It's Android. Because you have a platform that not only permits apps to do this, but an app store that approves apps which does this. I am hoping to get my own data from Facebook and check it against when I switched to Windows as a mobile OS. As it stands, only two built-in apps, People and Messaging, have access to my call history.
- cornholio 9y agoThe app store approves these apps, while at the same time denying other apps, like Adblock, that work directly against tracking. I have to void my warranty on a phone purchased at full price, with no plan, before I am allowed to install it from F-Droid. Cue in the «soviet Russia / product sells you» jokes.
- SSLy 9y ago>I have to void my warranty on a phone purchased at full price, with no plan, before I am allowed to install it from F-Droid. You don't need to root the phone to get apps from F-Droid.
- kalleboo 9y agoAndroid also has absolutely useless permission categories. Supposedly lots of apps legitimately ask for "read phone status and identity" just so they can e.g. pause a game when a call comes in. The same permission lets them scrape all kinds of info like phone # and IMEI. Which is the app doing? Android just looks like a privacy nightmare.
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- Lewton 9y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16652387 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16652387 Previous submission that was massively flagged for some reason Edit: might have been the misleading title
- bocahrokok 9y agoI guess it might be the reason why my facebook showed ads that always related with what i search in google/non facebook apps.
- cmac2992 9y agothats probably the facebook pixel or the facebook sdk doing this, not the facebook app
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- bdreadz 9y agoI haven't ever had a facebook. What I find more chilling is why would my phone be giving over all that meta data? I'm just wondering then what other apps are just collecting that data and what security setting can be enabled to say that data shouldn't be shared! wtf.
- fhood 9y agoAndroid + Facebook is a bad combination at the moment. I don't believe this can happen on iOS which doesn't even have an option to allow an (external) app to view things like text messages or call history.
- HugoDaniel 9y agoCan anyone confirm if they also do this for Instagram and Whatsapp ? Is it a whole group policy or is it FB specific ? The future sucks
- justaguyhere 9y agoI rarely use FB and have never had their app on my phone. But I use whatsapp. Anyone knows how much info whatsapp is vacuuming up?
- fwdpropaganda 9y agoAnyone care to explain how we can get this data? I tried going to facebook > settings > download data, but that's only data that I manually uploaded to facebook.com (posts, messages, photos, etc).
- cryptoz 9y agoIt probably comes as soon as you install their app on an iPhone or Android device.
- fwdpropaganda 9y agoI get it, but my question is how do I download this data from facebook? I would like to see what they have on me.
- jolmg 9y agoI hope Facebook won't suddenly remove this data from their export, if they haven't already, because of the attention it's getting.
- pknerd 9y agoThe question is, why does Facebook wants to know each bit of our lives and fetch details which might be harmless for us. For instance, Facebook might want to know how do I talk or walk or turn around and build a persona of mine? Ads, well that's obvious but ONLY Ads? I don't think so.
- vivekd 9y agoI don't know why people are down-voting you, you make an excellent point - what benefit could having phone and text meta-data possibly have for generating targeted advertising?
- Tarq0n 9y agoDo you think that the social graph is itself valuable information? Data like this allows Facebook to assign weights to the edges of this graph.
- John_Cena 9y agoResale. Suits at my company did not like our innovation idea until we let them know how the fiscal windfall we stand to make just by selling data.
- crispyporkbites 9y agoI agree, targeted ads are valuable but when you’re getting this granular the computation, network and storage costs start to exceed the marketing benefits. It’s unlikely to increase conversion by much, and almost all companies and brands that could take advantage of this at scale are going to really struggle to actually implement a campaign that does this (because it’s hard to figure out and test what to target). They are more likely collecting this data to use it to convince CMOs to continue plowing money into Facebook ads, even though they’ll never actually use it. The power that comes with being able to control the population through government relationships is a long term strategy to avoid any government sanctions, nationalisation, taxation etc.
- censorship 9y agoUnbelieveble what people found from google and facebook history...
- diimdeep 9y agoI still use Moves App[1], since Facebook acquired it in 2014, last update in 2016. Is there alternative? Moreover: >>> We may share information, including personally identifying information, with our Affiliates (companies that are part of our corporate groups of companies, including but not limited to Facebook) to help provide, understand, and improve our Services. [1] https://moves-app.com https://moves-app.com - background location logger and step counter
- hpyhpyjoyjoy87 9y agoHas anyone done this for node yet? I don't want to download ruby onto this computer. Thanks!