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Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse
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- interstitial 9y agoThere's a new piper in town SV. You're still paying the old one, and so is NPR.
- briga 9y agoWhat exactly does this change? Now there's some extra paperwork? Presumably this wont be a problem for the companies already willing to shell out tens of thousands of dollars for the H-1B process.
- MR4D 9y agoIt’s not just paperwork, it’s more chance to accidentally distort the truth. This increases risk substantially, and the chance for penalties to rise increases as well. So the direct costs may not be huge, but the indirect costs just got raised quite a bit.
- tristanj 9y agoThe title is a bit misleading. This directive seems to target 3rd party H-1B contractors such as Tata and Infosys, rather than 'High Tech' companies that directly hire engineers such as Google, Apple, and Microsoft. Companies that hire H-1Bs directly and employ them onsite shouldn't be affected by this policy change. I think the linked CNN Money article provides a better explanation of the motives behind this change http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/23/technology/h1b-visa-abuse/index.html http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/23/technology/h1b-visa-abuse/in...
- adamrezich 9y agoIn my experience attempting to get an entry-level programming job at Microsoft (while I lived in the area), they get a lot of hires through hiring agencies, all of whom ask you what your legal residence status is as their first question (which I have to say is highly discouraging when being unable to score an entry-level CS job in one's own country).
- s2g 9y agoWell, not much point in continuing if they find out you aren't going to be able to work for them.
- mancerayder 9y agoI've never not been asked my residence status, ever, in direct or agency hires, in my entire career. It's most likely (almost certainly) a legal obligation. Each time I had to furnish a SS card as well. A non-citizen SS card has a disclaimer on it saying it's not valid for work authorization alone.
- HarryHirsch 9y agoI've never not been asked my residence status, ever, in direct or agency hires, in my entire career You probably have been asked for documentation that gives you permission to work. The Department of Labor has a list somewhere (can't find it right now) of what constitutes a work permit, and the employer has to accept anything that conforms. My wife ran into a particularly obstinate HR drone once who wouldn't accept what she had. She asked company counsel if her documentation was in order and received a phonecall from HR to please come in and sign paperwork before the day was over. Yes, federal law has teeth.
- theandrewbailey 9y agoIt's not the Department of Labor, it's the Department of Homeland Security. https://www.uscis.gov/i-9-central/acceptable-documents/list-documents/form-i-9-acceptable-documents https://www.uscis.gov/i-9-central/acceptable-documents/list-...
- sudouser 9y agolucky you
- dang 9y agoWould you please stop posting unsubstantive comments to Hacker News? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- echevil 9y agoPrecisely! Anyone familiar with this issue would know this is actually helping major high tech companies. But to most Americans who don't really know what is the deal with immigration, why let a chance to attack Trump administration go? :)
- draw_down 9y agoUgh. Right, everyone is just soooo unfair to them. Give me a break.
- wheretolive 9y agoThis isn't going to help high tech companies. EB1-C is a Green Card category for multinational managers. It is supposed to be used to move job creating foreign nationals to US. Till 2010, the body shop and consulting companies didn't use it much. However as rule tightened since 2010, these companies started using EB1-C to most low cost labor to US and delaying Green Card for everyone else. With EB1-C you can get Green Card within an year, cutting in line in front of everyone else from India. With this ruling, these companies are going to double down on EB1-C.
- echevil 9y agoJust one more thing to fix then. Even if these companies wants to double down on EB-1C, it’d still be much harder to bring in low skill tech workers as “multi-national managers”
- DaiPlusPlus 9y agoI understand companies like Tata have job-titles like “Account executive” for (relatively) low-level employees which meets the “Executive-level employment” critter and rule for EB-1 classification - even though the term “executive” is clearly overloaded and inappropriate in this context.
- jameshart 9y agoUSCIS aren't fooled by job title inflation. Applications for these sorts of visas require substantial supporting documentation - typically org charts, detailed descriptions of responsibilities, resumes of people who report to the visa applicant, evidence of compensation commensurate with the claimed responsibilities, etc.
- dang 9y agoOk, we've changed the URL and title to that from https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/02/23/588469561/trump-administration-restricts-h-1b-worker-visas-coveted-by-high-tech https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/02/23/588469561.... Thanks!
- yanslookup 9y agoThe current title, implying abuse by Infosys, Tata et all is hyperbolic borderline xenophobic. If the way Infosys and Tata use the H-1B visa is abuse then so is how Microsoft, Google and Facebook use it.
- digitalzombie 9y ago"Trump Administration Restricts H-1B Worker Visas Coveted By High Tech" is the title. > If the way Infosys and Tata use the H-1B visa is abuse then so is how Microsoft, Google and Facebook use it. Infosys and Tata enable companies to abuse H-1B laws. Disney use them. Your statement also imply that Microsoft, Google, and Facebook is abusing too and no difference between Infosys and Tata. There is a small difference that I've stated but all of them are abusing it. The point of contention is not that the Indians are stealing our job. The point is the people who are using H-1B visa are unable to negotiate wages which depresses their American counterpart wages.
- product50 9y agoDon't generalize that Indians are stealing your jobs. Google has 1000+ eng roles open at this time - if Americans are qualified, then they can totally get all of them. The fact of the matter is that America does have talent shortage for high end tech roles. Also, this misconception that Indians are paid less for high end roles is purely that - if you are able to crack Google eng role, you will get paid $200k+ or more depending on your level. Note that I am making a distinction between Google eng roles and those tech roles which Infosys and TCS hire for. For the latter the play is cost arbitrage such as replacing Disney engineers with Indian eng who can do the same work for lower cost. However, I want you to be aware of the real talent shortage which is present there on the high end tech side.
- lawnchair_larry 9y agoMicrosoft, Apple, and Google, among other big tech companies, are some of Tata and Infosys’ largest clients, so it’s not as clear cut as it might seem. They get to avoid hiring more “expensive” FTEs by using these body shops.
- andy_ppp 9y agoIs this about stopping more non-white people from coming to the US?
- nonamechicken 9y agoI think it targets the small consultancies that operate in US. This is where I have seen all the scams happening. These consultancies don't bring people from India, they hire Indians who did MS in US (I am Indian, so only know about them), mostly those on OPT. Those people are desperate for a job (if they don't get H1B within I think 18 months, they have to go back) and are willing to do anything. Most of them come to study in US after taking big bank loans and it would be a lose for them to go back if they can't work for at least 2-3 years in US. >That's when firms bring on H-1B visa holders but don't give them work and don't pay them the required wages while they wait for jobs. I can 100% guarantee that the top Indian companies do not engage in this practice. Every single one of them have a policy that if the H1B employee doesn't have a project for 2 weeks to 1 month, they must go back to India. And they get paid the full amount mentioned in their offer letter for the duration they are in US. And they are also paid for expenses that arise from having to go back to India. This includes lease breakage, air fare for the H1B holder and their family and a few other expenses. For "benching", the only exception I have seen is the Indians they hire from US. Those people get to stay on bench until the company can find a new project for them. But they are still paid in full. >if an employer can't prove the H-1B holder is "more likely than not" needed for the full three years, the government might issue the visa for fewer than three years. This has already been the case. I have seen many H1Bs getting visa approved only for 1 year.
- coupdetaco 9y agoLarge software companies pay premiums. Tata, Infosys, Cognizant, et cetera are the bad actors. https://www.economist.com/news/business/21714994-it-firms-need-upgrade-face-technological-and-political-shifts-indian-outsourcing https://www.economist.com/news/business/21714994-it-firms-ne...
- jimmywanger 9y agoI think that this is useful for companies who abuse the H1B. I doubt that any of the big Four (Google, Facebook, Amazon, Apple) will have any problem with this, but the consulting body shops will be scrambling. And, this is something else problematic for startups who want to import talent. You need to have some sort of legal/immigration department to deal with this paperwork, and most startups don't have/can't afford that.
- fooker 9y agoNot directly related, but a friend of mine from India got a J1 visa for an internship at a big four rejected last week.
- jimmywanger 9y agoSure. I'm just saying that the big four has the ability to deal with this contingency, and backing paperwork and documentation. You don't get rejected out of hand for not being authorized to work in the USA currently.
- fooker 9y agoSure you do. Google, Apple and Facebook (and virtually every company in the Bay Area) have all stopped trying to get H1Bs for new grads with degrees from outside the US. Microsoft is the exception for now.
- trhrowuuo23 9y agoThis is a good thing. And I say this as an Indian H1B worker who's actually left the US because of the broken immigration system. I spent 8 years working for a big tech firm, and left the country when I realized that I was essentially never going to get a green card, despite my application being approved 4 years ago. The queue is now decades-long. I worked directly for a giant tech company that you all know, and was paid a very good salary, easily at par with a US Citizen. I know of so many people who gamed the system, working in cahoots with consulting companies that exist solely to scam people. Now I live in Canada, working for the same company, making the same amount of money, but as a Permanent Resident here. Life is so much simpler because I don't need to worry about capricious immigration policy, and being treated with suspicion at the border every time I fly back home. Your system is broken and needs to be fixed. Now, I don't think your current administration is going to fix it, but who knows.
- throwaway82729 9y agoI'm in the same boat as you were. 16 years of being in the US and no green card in sight even though I've been approved thrice over. I could potentially become a permanent resident in 2022 but even that's not guaranteed at the rate the process is going. If I may ask, what was the tipping point that made you decide to move?
- SN76477 9y agoI think this is the problem in the USA. If someone wants to come here to work, pay taxes and be a reasonable citizen why not allow it? The system is definitely broken, I want to see change immediately.
- refurb 9y agoYou won't have a green card until 2022, but you will have permission to stay in the country.
- throwaway82729 9y agoYes, except that I won't be able to switch jobs easily or grow in my career as fast as I want to. Every time I go to India, I have to do this elaborate dance to get my Visa stamped. I haven't traveled out of the country enough just for this reason. It's very stressful. I have a child who was born here and doesn't want to go back. I'm really stuck here for no other reason than the fact that the immigration system is horribly broken. Every American (white person) in my management chain thinks I'm skilled enough to be here in the country and pay me north of $400k. Terrible state of affairs. I'm a well-paid slave or at least feel like one.
- austincheney 9y agoI always find the concept of technology worker immigration to be a rather strange scenario. How the hell can the US be so dependent upon immigrants for work when there are so many Americans wanting to work for big technology companies? This begs the question: Are Americans workers too incompetent at technology development? If so what is the cause of that problem?
- branchless 9y agoIt's solely to surpress wages.
- austincheney 9y agoI can promise you I am not experience anything remotely close to wage suppression or competition for employment. Perhaps this could be true for junior positions, but at the other end there are lots of opportunities available. That being said if you honestly believe there is wage suppression then I recommend programming outside of office hours and getting as much practice as possible so that you can rise to a senior position where such problems are absent.
- jasonlotito 9y agoTech companies like Google, Apple, etc. have a well known history in working together to suppress wages. You might be making a lot, but that doesn't mean you couldn't be making more.
- austincheney 9y agoThat was just in the valley. I work for a company that makes more money than Google (Alphabet) and fortunately don't live anywhere near the valley. That also has nothing to do with immigration.
- jasonlotito 9y agoIt impacted salaries for everyone in the industry. I don't live in the valley, and it impacted me. I didn't say it had anything to do with immigration. But it does have to do with suppressing wages, which is what they comment you were replying to was suggesting as a motive. My point being that tech companies have a history of this.
- megaman22 9y agoThe proportion of H1Bs that are employed by actual tech companies, rather than technical consulting companies, is stark[1]. Having dealt with a number of the latter batch of outfits, through our customers that have outsourced their IT work to them, I would not be sad to see their business model go away. Neither would most of our customers, who tend to be regretting the experiment and trying to bring their IT back in-house, as soon as their contracts are up. I think the H1B system is dumb. Educated, highly effective workers in in-demand fields are exactly the kind of immigrants you would want to fast-track in for real citizenship, rather than exploiting them in quasi-indentured servitude. The other category I found somewhat mind-blowing was the situation of a lot of my international classmates upon graduation; educate them for four years or more at a prestigious US university, and once they graduate, kick them back home and make it difficult for them to come back. [1] http://fortune.com/2017/08/03/companies-h1b-visa-holders/ http://fortune.com/2017/08/03/companies-h1b-visa-holders/
- cryptozeus 9y agoI agree but usa does not need to do this now because of over supply. They can play the carrot and stick game because h1bs are willing to wait 15+ year for green card. Even after that much wait, you are not guerenuteed to get green card.
- walshemj 9y agoWell some of that is universities charge more for international students and see them as a revenue stream.
- DrScump 9y agoWhat universities charge more for international students than for random, unaffiliated students from other US states? Some state systems "discount" fees for state residents, but that's based on the premise that those families have been paying into the system.
- sotojuan 9y agoIt's not that they charge more (though I don't have evidence they don't), it's just that international students almost always pay full price. American students may receive financial aid either from the government, or the university itself (scholarship or other aid). International students on the other hand usually don't. They pay full price. They make universities, particularly private ones, a lot of money. I went to a good but not top private college on scholarship. Some undergrad majors such as business and the graduate business school were overwhelmingly international students. The law school is approaching 50% international students.
- jorblumesea 9y agoIf this actually does target the outsourcing firms, eg: Tata, Infosys, Cognizant, then this is good for tech. We need more experienced foreigners and not spaghetti code shops. But really, the system is broken. A lottery is a horrible way to decide value or qualifications. Let in the people who truly deserve it, not the ones who flood the system with applications. Point system, please.
- walshemj 9y agoBut that gets gamed look at all the people who do a Bsc and the immediately a MBA to game points systems. MBA's her originally designed for high flying corporate types in their mid 30's who where tapped for advancement.
- fooker 9y agoSo, account for that in the points system? Why does the system have to be simple or even fixed?
- jeremyjh 9y agoWhy not award the visas to the companies bidding for the highest salaries? This aligns incentives better for everyone I think. It would improve the talent pool and prevent the body shops from using the program to staff project managers who send work offshore.
- reaperducer 9y agoI'm OK with the H1B scheme, if it's used the way it's intended — to bring in the smartest people who can fill niche jobs that are hard or impossible to fill with Americans. But my experience in Seattle/Bellevue/Redmond taught me that most H1B's aren't any smarter than the average American high school graduate. The only difference is they'll work for a fraction of the money and be thankful for the exploitation. (And in the case of Russians, rack up a ton of speeding tickets and apartment damage fees and leave the country.) India, China, Pakistan, and wherever else — send us your best and brightest. We'll welcome them, make them better, and sent them back (if they choose to go) with knowledge they can spread at home. But don't send us a bunch of warm bodies for no other reason than to supplement your economy with Western Union Moneygrams.
- cryptozeus 9y agoSuppy and demand at work here...are they sending such people or is usa asking for both expert and mediocre employees from other countries. Market is always right...think about it.
- kylell 9y agoyes, right, on your logic, we should let drugs sell freely, because the market is always right.
- cryptozeus 9y agoobviously not, it has to be within context brother/sister :)...comparing drugs to employees ?
- s2g 9y ago> if it's used the way it's intended — to bring in the smartest people who can fill niche jobs that are hard or impossible to fill with Americans. Not the intention. It's skilled labour, let the myth of the "impossible to find" talent die already. > But my experience in Seattle/Bellevue/Redmond taught me that most H1B's aren't any smarter than the average American high school graduate. Yeah, that just doesn't sound true.
- s2g 9y agoI'm on an H-1B. Love this idea.
- gumby 9y agoBut not the H-2B visas that Trump uses for his properties. Hmm. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/20/16003254/trump-h2b-visa-program https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/20/16003254/t...
- anon11082016 9y agoOh Vox, this should be really great. I love reading smut from Clinton mouthpieces. Let me poor myself some wine.
- TheAdamAndChe 9y agoIt would be illogical for a businessman not to exploit the system within the bounds of the law. Those who don't get outcompeted. The behavior of businesspeople should not be expected to be the same as elected politicians.
- jasonlotito 9y agoSure, but he is a politician, and so we are holding him to those stated standards. Why shouldn't we judge a politican as a politician?
- TheAdamAndChe 9y agoWe shouldn't judge all his past behaviors under the lens of a politician because he wasn't a politician. He was a businessman. The fact that he is pushing for immigration reform while he historically exploited those systems shows that he is able to differentiate between necessary ruthless business tactics and civic duty.
- jasonlotito 9y agoI'm not. These are things his companies are still doing since he's been a politician and the President. So, I ask again: Why shouldn't we judge a politician as a politician?
- dblock 9y agoI was a beneficiary of an H1B in 99 from Switzerland (easily confused with Sweden that Trump wants qualified candidates from). After months of waiting I moved to the US, and got a green card five years later. I’m grateful. I made my life here. But I think it’s not worth it, the America we all romanticized is long gone.
- muninn_ 9y agohow do I get permanent residency in Switzerland? Can I come there as an unskilled migrant if my family is there or if I just want to because I’m a refugee? Get real. The US has the most liberal immigration laws on the planet.
- abecedarius 9y agoiirc, to move to Switzerland basically all you need is a net worth high enough to convince them you won't ever become a public burden. (Also iirc, this is likely to change soon.) Becoming a citizen otoh takes a long time.
- chrisper 9y agoIt takes 12 years to become eligible for citizenship.
- Broken_Hippo 9y agoYou obviously don't know much about immigration laws, either in the US or other places. Otherwise, you'd know that some countries allow folks to move there as long as they have a bit of income or a bit of money in the bank. Some countries don't have such confusing regulations about getting permanent residency nor citizenship and have them clearly laid out. You'd know a lot of countries have family immigration policies for close families, much like the US yet easier to navigate. Heck, Norway's civics exam was a reasonable thing to pass after a 6 week course (50 hours of classroom time), unlike the american exam. Sure, it is required for permanent residency, but that doesn't seem like an unfair requirement either. You are also unaware of how the refugee program works. Otherwise you'd know some of the things that qualifies folks to be a refugee. You'd know that folks can't really choose their country. Most refugees I've met would have rather stayed in their home country, by the way, if it weren't for things like war and starvation. Some are saddened that they will never be able to go back home because they think they'll get killed. Tends to happen after getting tortured by the cops and taken by ISIS - or your family getting this done to them. I'd put links up for you, but that is seriously too much work for this comment.
- fogzen 9y agoPresident who married (and cheated on) a foreign national restricts immigration from foreign nationals. Hypocritical, anti-American, and cruel to hard working human beings. Suck an American’s dick: get green card. Work your ass off 5 days a week contributing to the economy: get nothing - no visa temporary or permanent
- sterlind 9y agoWe're shooting ourselves in the foot so hard. China is expanding aggressively, and will likely be the next superpower. We need all the engineers we can get our hands on, or soon, people won't want citizenship here.
- austincheney 9y agoThen why doesn't the US produce more top quality engineers? It isn't as though the US lacks the population or resources to solve this problem domestically. My thinking is that Americans simply don't want it that badly.
- rootw0rm 9y agoWe produce excellent engineers. We also want them badly. We just don't want to pay them.
- austincheney 9y agoI believe I am paid rather well for the work I do, but then I also live in an affordable area. Developers make far more than average wages and often much more than many other careers of similar experience/education requirements. I don't believe wages are the problem or that suddenly inflating wages will magically blossom into a supreme talent surplus. It is possible to make 6 figures as a trash collector, without any education, if you work your ass off. Yet, I don't see people without college rushing into trash collection even though they probably earn less than half of that.
- aianus 9y agoThis logically doesn't make any sense. What are they doing then, sitting on their ass at home? Emigrating outside of the US? If not, and they're working, and companies are still having trouble filling positions, how would paying the existing American engineers more fill those outstanding positions?
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- yanslookup 9y agoThis is a major gift to the non infosys/Tata type employers. It looks good on the surface but it does nothing to address the real problem h1b causes. The power imbalance remains, the wage suppression continues, the greencard backlog remains and the government gets to wipe their hands and say they fixed it.
- jmpman 9y agoWhen is the minimum salary requirement going into effect? Trump had promised $100k minimum salary. Now, paying immigrants $100k is foolish macro economic policy, when they’ve been shown to work for substantially less. The purpose of the $100k minimum is to make the US citizens more competitive, but there’s no reason the additional money needs to go to the H1B. Instead, the additional money should be a tax (say $40k for an H1B making $60k), and that money should be earmarked for scholarships for US citizens studying in the field occupied by the H1B. This increases the labor pool, which is the justification for the H1B system in the first place, and keeps these newly minted US citizen graduates competitive against the H1B flood. The policy should be supported by the left as it helps college students and by the right as it increases the labor pool, ultimately driving down wages using domestic labor and improving trade balance by dramatically reducing money sent overseas.
- ilamont 9y ago"Let's compare the number of H-1B recipients with the 1.1 million green cards that are issued every year. Why are we quibbling over 65,000 people that corporations are trying to recruit? And the government is trying to micromanage this? It makes no sense." https://www.hpe.com/us/en/insights/articles/the-incredible-shrinking-h-1b-visa-what-it-means-for-tech-companies-1706.html https://www.hpe.com/us/en/insights/articles/the-incredible-s...
- bdcravens 9y agoDifferent concerns.
- Mountain_Skies 9y agoI wonder how many people who say "Oh God yes, please run Trump, please run" because they thought he'd lose badly now regret that attitude. Telling people to stop looking at the tech visa issue because the number of green cards dwarf it just invites a push towards a return to pre 1960s immigration policies.
- Consultant32452 9y agoWhat were the pre 1960 immigration policies? That was means-tested immigration right? That would align us with most of Europe as far as I can tell.
- blackbagboys 9y agoIt was a system of quotas based on national origin, explicitly designed to maintain the "ethnic character" of the country, and either de jure or de facto banned Asian and African immigration.
- barry-cotter 9y agoUnless I am very much mistaken no one thought about immigration from Africa at the time because there was a trivial amount. Same reason as there were almost no restrictions on migration within the Western Hemisphere, it didn’t happen much.
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- h1boo 9y agoMoving to temp account for this comment. I have been in US for 15 yrs now. Came here for my masters and still on H-1B today. I’m one layoff away from having to uproot my family and moving back. My girls have only known this as their country. I earn way above market and have paid plenty in taxes over the years. Because for tax purposes you are considered a permanent resident after 1 yr. Someone brilliant came up with this. I never complained about my situation because I always have a choice to leave US and it is my decision to stay. Most in my situation feel that we deserve to be bumped up over random lottery and unskilled immigrants. I don’t because I don’t feel this entitlement. Maybe the current generation is unskilled but their future generations could go on to create a lot of value. Some even become President. Finally this year I’m considering moving out of US. In media it sounds like an awesome place but a glance at the indexes show a different story (education, social security, health care, even freedom). Every time I drop my kids at school I’m worried about them. It all seems not worth it anymore.
- chrisper 9y ago>Finally this year I’m considering moving out of US. In media it sounds like an awesome place but a glance at the indexes show a different story (education, social security, health care, even freedom). Every time I drop my kids at school I’m worried about them. It all seems not worth it anymore. I left after being in the US for 5 years. I pretty much felt the same way.
- alpeb 9y agoIt's still, also by many indexes, one of the safest countries in the world, despite the objectively isolated issues you see in the media... Unless you come from another top OECD, coming back doesn't sound like a great deal.
- hnarayanan 9y agoWhich, realsitically, should be your comparison set.
- daveFNbuck 9y agoWhat's your definition of "isolated issue"? Most people use it to mean a random one-off that isn't part of a pattern, which can't reasonably be applied to mass shootings in the US at this point.
- Ilikepancakes 9y agoDoes this change anything ?. This is not something new. This is something that is being enforced already ( source: I am on H1 and doing this already). can somebody tell me what is different this time ?
- throwaway224 9y agoH1b from India here and I think these rules are good. I am working in the US for the last 7 years and my green card (I-140) was approved 6 years ago. At the current pace it would take another 8 years to get my green card. It's hard for me to switch jobs, can't start any company, can't get promoted to management etc. There is uncertainty in almost all aspects of my life. I am on H1b, I am not cheap labor. I get paid exorbitant amount of money for my skills. I seriously thought of moving to Canada, but because of our health issues with cold weather we could not move. I love this country, my life, prospects of success once I get my green card and quality of life that my kids would have. But I am tired! I am so tired!
- periya 9y agoWhy does being on a H1B prevent you from getting promoted to management ? Source : Work at a big tech where several H1Bs have made it to the higher levels of management.
- throwaway224 9y agoA green card application is tied to job responsibilities, role and job location. Switching to a new job location or accepting a new role (for example, switch from engineering to product management or for that matter other management positions) is hard. Such changes would usually require the whole green card to be restarted (LCA, hiring, cool-off period, PERM, I-140) and it easily takes more than a year and is stressful.
- mesozoic 9y agoDo you think this will put positive or negative pressure on wages for current and future US tech employees?
- sumanthvepa 9y agoI think the best place for an Indian to be an entrepreneur is, surprise, surprise -- India. I faced this problem a decade ago and decided that it was better give up a green card than to give up on entrepreneurship and returned to India. I really cherish my decade in the US, and in many ways that country defined my liberal political views. But returning to India was the right decision. Still I feel sad for the this generation of smart young Indian graduates who may not be able to get the experience of working in a foreign country and really understanding its culture.
- RandomCSGeek 9y agoAs an Indian who suffers from discriminatory policies of Indian government(reservation based on caste, gender and physical disability), if someone offered me an option to move to US(or any other developed country for that matter), but on a salary say 3x less than avg salary of US employee, I'd most likely accept it. The grass looks greener on the other side, and there is hardly anything to lose by trying. If you really want to stop people from scamming the system, you need to make the system stronger.
- subterfudge44 9y agoSwitching to temp id here. Lost respect for American immigration laws long back. This is not a crack down this is pretence of doing something by creating more trouble for those who are actually obeying the law. (All illegal dreamers have work authorisation today, but not all spouses of H1B taxpayers get it. Indians are waiting for decades to get their work authorisation precisely because they obeyed law). Entered the country hoping to become a citizen, now it is all about squeeze maximum money you can and leave. The good part however is this is actually bringing better jobs to India.