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FBI Says Chinese Operatives Active at Scores of U.S. Universities
- marknutter 9y agoThey're just Russian trolls.
- monksy 9y agoThat being said, the Chinese do have a term called: shan zhai which deals with copyrighting/conferfiting. While I'm not endorcing it, it does have some cultural roots. The strange parts guy explained it some in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdKV6x13cz8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdKV6x13cz8
- jobu 9y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanzhai https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanzhai "Historically, "shanzhai" is sometimes used as a metaphor to describe bandits who oppose and evade the corrupted authority to perform deeds they see as justified." Seems to be a bit like the Robin Hood mythos in western culture.
- IntronExon 9y agoThe FBI never changes, does it? I’m not even saying that they’re wrong, but stating it this way is just fodder for bin fires. It would be strange if China and others didn’t do this, and strange if the US didn’t do it to them.
- Analemma_ 9y agoHow would you prefer them to state it, then? I mean, with the very next breath you admit that it's almost certainly true. You need to balance reasonable skepticism and dislike of three-letter agencies with the fact that they also do real work in addressing threats from other state actors. EDIT: If you want a take on this from a less law enforcement-y source, try https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/16/how-china-infiltrated-us-classrooms-216327 https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/16/how-china.... Politico can hardly be described as paranoid war-hawks.
- IntronExon 9y agoMaybe don’t state it? It’s their job to do something about it, not create diffuse bogeymen for ideologues to play with. What does telling us about a drop in an ocean do for us other than sow suspicion? Unless the danger is real and present, requiring public wariness and intervention, keep intelligence matters within the intelligence community. Edit: That article describes educational institutions run by the Chinese government, rather than the infiltration of US institutions. These strike me as very different topics, especially since one is overt and the other covert.
- nyolfen 9y agothe fbi is law enforcement. behaving as secret police is not a positive alternative.
- IntronExon 9y agoThe FBI’s remit includes domestic counterintelligence.
- walshemj 9y agoit probley wound be better if the usa split the FBI in two 1 A federal police force (with reduced surveillance powers) which would take over the BATF and the currency and uniformed part of the secret service. 2 A separate contra espionage organisation similar to MI5
- Analemma_ 9y agoOh god, don't give them any ideas. We already have an alphabet soup of intelligence agencies (the IC consists of 16 at the moment), don't make it worse.
- walshemj 9y agoI was suggesting that you reduce the number by merging all the policeing type orgs into one FBI, BATF, TSA,DEA etc and merge all of the domestic contra espionage into a new MI5 analog
- meowface 9y agoYes, of course, but it would also be strange if the FBI didn't warn about it when they identify it happening so that they can decrease the chance of intelligence gatherers getting what they want.
- IntronExon 9y agoI agree with the general principle you’re describing, it I’m unconvinced that it applies in this case. Do you see what I mean? How does this warning empower the public?
- meowface 9y agoPerhaps if you're a researcher at a university and you get an interesting business offer out of the blue in exchange for access to something (maybe data you've gathered), you may be a bit more wary and consider if you're being manipulated by another government's intelligence service.
- IntronExon 9y agoThat’s a good point, and probably good advice regardless of the latest statement from the FBI. Of course if the data is sensitive or controlled, hopefully people are already on that guard.
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- gowld 9y agoWhy do I care precisely who is manipulating me?
- meowface 9y agoYou shouldn't, of course. The FBI is just making people aware of this particular campaign.
- PricelessValue 9y agoOf course we do and of course they do. What's interesting is why the sudden "expose" and the media blitz. It's like how we knew the russians and everyone has been taking steroids for decades, but all of a sudden there was a media blitz against russia. Is it just the elites trying to put pressure on china or are we at the beginning stages of a fundamental shift in our relations with china? Have the elites decided on a more antagonistic position against china?
- mr_spothawk 9y agoas a kid people asked me if I was an atheist or not. I learned to tell them I was an Apathet, that I am Apathetic. while I recognize there may be impacts to such a decision, I feel apathetic about the decisions of "the elite". I sometimes imagine that we would all benefit from taking this view.
- Larrikin 9y agoI'm not sure I understand the argument of the article. Yes my graduate classes have many Chinese students in them, but why exactly is it bad that they are furthering their education and doing research in the US? The biggest issue I see is that many of them want to live and work in the US after graduation, but basically have to leave it up to luck in the visa lottery system.
- meowface 9y agoThey're not talking about students from China, but rather Chinese intelligence agents posing as students, professors, researchers, etc.
- criddell 9y agoWhat is the threat though? Aren't most university research programs very open and don't they publish everything they can get published? I understand the part about not wanting spies working for telecom companies (for example) because they could mess with our infrastructure. What's the issue with being inside a university?
- meri_dian 9y agoHuh? This article is talking about an FBI determination that China has installed operatives within US universities, not that all Chinese at US universities are operatives.
- ucaetano 9y ago> Yes my graduate classes have many Chinese students in them From the article: > warned U.S. universities about Chinese intelligence operatives active on their campuses
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- Sir_Cmpwn 9y agoWow, this seems like straight-up racist fearmongering. The Chinese have "infliltrated" our schools by attending and starting culturally oriented studies? What's wrong with setting up classes for studying Mandarin, the #1 most popular language on the planet?
- rdtsc 9y agoWhat if these were Russians and the title was "FBI Says Russian Operatives..." would you have said it's straight up racist fear-mongering? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Personnel_Management_data_breach https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Personnel_Management...
- IntronExon 9y agoProbably the phrase “McCarthyism” would be used instead.
- rdtsc 9y agoYap, agree, that's more appropriate perhaps. This whole "everything I don't agree with is racist" and anyone I don't agree with is a "nazi" is very easy to take too far. One one hand they have to be suspicious, because counterintelligence it's one of their duties. Especially after the OPM breach. On the other hand, there is a danger of them going overboard. This is a great example of that: http://www.latimes.com/local/orangecounty/la-me-muslim-fbi-20151221-story.html http://www.latimes.com/local/orangecounty/la-me-muslim-fbi-2... They send an undercover informant to a mosque in Irvine, CA. Undercover informant instead of listening and observing, starts spewing radical crap and recruiting people. The mosque reports him to the FBI. That was an awkward Monday morning meeting I bet. Or maybe business as usual, who knows...
- RobertoG 9y agoThere is a long tradition, specially by the CIA, of creating their next enemy while fighting the current one. I'm thinking, for instance, in the freedom fighters against the Russian invasion in Afghanistan, Noriega, weaponization of Iraq against Iran... we could keep going.
- eecc 9y agoXenophobic paranoia, a gift that keeps on giving.
- GuiA 9y agoReminds me of this story from last year: But those [Chinese] students often bring to campus something else from home: the watchful eyes and occasionally heavy hand of the Chinese government, manifested through its ties to many of the 150-odd chapters of the Chinese Students and Scholars Associations. The groups have worked in tandem with Beijing to promote a pro-Chinese agenda and tamp down anti-Chinese speech on Western campuses. At Columbia a decade ago, the club mobilized students to protest a presentation about human rights violations in China, urging them to “resolutely defend the honor and dignity of the Motherland.” At Duke, the group was accused of inciting a harassment campaign in 2008 against a Chinese student who tried to mediate between sides in a Tibet protest. More recently in Durham, England, the group acted at the behest of the Chinese government to censor comments at a forum on China-Hong Kong relations. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/04/us/chinese-students-western-campuses-china-influence.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/04/us/chinese-students-weste... Also reminds me of this recent news, of Mercedes Benz made to apologize to China for posting a quote (in English) by the Dalai Lama on Instagram, a platform banned in China: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/07/mercedes-apologises-china-quoting-dalai-lama/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/07/mercedes-apologis... EDIT: damn, downvotes are coming fast for this one. I wonder why :^)
- nyolfen 9y agohttps://twitter.com/marriottrewards/status/951344031405084673 https://twitter.com/marriottrewards/status/95134403140508467...
- platinumrad 9y ago>EDIT: damn, downvotes are coming fast for this one. I wonder why :^) The China Internet Defense Force strikes again. My impression is that the PRC doesn't even have to pay for shills (as opposed to the ROC) as nationalistic fervor is strong enough among the general population for this sort of activity to occur organically but I could be wrong about either or both.
- Cyberdog 9y agoAre you speaking of the 50 Cent Army? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party
- thrillgore 9y agoHere's where this statement is poisonous: I'm not sure if the FBI is actually being honest, or if this is some Trumpist bullshit that confirms how racist the current administration is. Either way, I find it hard to believe. If its the former, its not shocking. If its the latter, it's disappointing but not at all surprising.
- Cyberdog 9y agoYou find it hard to believe that a major world power is conducting both espionage and soft power campaigns inside the US?
- mathperson 9y agoand he finds this hard to believe after a power (russia) interfered massively in an american election? an in europe...
- Libturd 9y agohe's a rabid trump-hating libturd, what do you expect from these deplorables?
- bassman9000 9y agoI'm not sure if the FBI is actually being honest Examples?
- rdtsc 9y ago> Trumpist bullshit that confirms how racist the current administration is Not sure I follow. So say, talking about Chinese hackers exfiltrating the OPM database, and exposing the most intimate secrets of pretty much every 3 letter agency employee (maybe except CIA) is now racist bullshit? Isn't talking about Russian hackers also racist then?
- Cyberdog 9y agoAustralia has of late had its own issues involving accusations of Chinese espionage as well as good old-fashioned palm-greasing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Dastyari#Chinese_influence_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Dastyari#Chinese_influence... If the US starts clamping down on this sort of thing, expect China to accuse the US government of xenophobia, since of course "we'd like to stop so many Chinese agents and toadies from infiltrating our governmental and educational systems" translates to "we hate Chinese people" in Mandarin. EDIT: To be clear to any Chinese agents reading this, my issue is not so much with the spying and soft power campaigns so much as it is the unfair accusations of racism.
- knz 9y agoNew Zealand has had similar issues - https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/339335/national-mp-confirms-he-taught-spies-denies-he-is-one https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/339335/national-mp-...
- mc32 9y agoCan you imagine if Russians were a another "race". They'd be able to throw the racism card all over dems for having the temerity to accuse them of all sorts of political interference and other meddling... Alas, they cannot make such accusations. At most they can use "xenophobia".
- HumanDrivenDev 9y ago> Can you imagine if Russians were a another "race". They'd be able to throw the racism card all over dems for having the temerity to accuse them of all sorts of political interference and other meddling... I assume this is why everyone turns a blind eye to the elephant in the room when it comes to foreign influence of American affairs - Israel.
- mc32 9y agoThat one's a bit more complicated. Our interests intersect with theirs along many axes. And they have lots of lobbyists in DC and Americans of Israeli/Jewish heritage donate lots to DC politicians along Israeli policy lines. People of Russian heritage on the other hand typically have opposing views to that of Moscow in many areas, so they are not as aligned, if at all; in addition, many people of Russians descent have Jewish heritage as well... So you know, they doubly oppose Moscow.
- DanAndersen 9y agoDuring my undergrad university days (at the University of Utah), I took some Mandarin classes. There was a local Confucius Institute which provided various free materials in Chinese to the campus library. The extent of my direct contact with them was receiving a couple hundred dollars for doing well in a Mandarin speech contest they held for my class. It was obvious that there was a certain propaganda aspect to this outreach effort; the reading materials provided of course didn't go into any potential negatives of the Beijing government, etc. Very much in line with the CCTV news network. My Mandarin teacher was Taiwanese and so I think that was good for me in that I wasn't getting all my exposure to Chinese from a single source. I would not be surprised at all to learn that Chinese government operatives were using these various state-funded educational agencies for gaining intelligence and promoting their ideology. I assume the US is doing the same thing. It's a long game, with assets being put into place sometimes decades in advance. A healthy dose of cynicism is always important when dealing with state-funded groups; it's rare that countries invest such resources just out of the goodness of their altruistic hearts.
- Cyberdog 9y agoThanks for sharing your experience. I agree that there's nothing inherently wrong with projects like the Confucius Institute, both by foreign governments as well as my own, but it certainly behooves the participants to consider the motivations of the people behind it.
- tptacek 9y agoWhy would you expect the Confucius Institute to provide information on the negatives of Chinese government? It's a Chinese culture organization, and it's directly affiliated with the government of China.
- DrJokepu 9y agoOther, similar organizations from other countries often at least try to maintain the illusion of some degree of objectivity. If you take advanced French classes at the French Institute, there is a good chance that contemporary issues affecting France will be discussed in class.
- Cw67NTN8F 9y ago350,000 students and god know how many employees. FBI apparently has around 35,000 employees. I know not all the students are spies, and not all suspicious ones get their own team of agents rights away, but looks like using a Patriot Missile to kill a $150 drone. Time and time again.
- PricelessValue 9y agoIsn't this well known fact? It isn't a secret that the chinese, along with the israelis, russians, british, french, japanese, koreans, canadians and even the saudis have operatives in academia, government, business, etc. And of course we have operatives in all those countries as well.
- rhizome 9y agoNot to mention that "operative" has a specific meaning in the Intelligence Community. While the intent of this report appears to imply that operatives are under official control, they are mostly people who might be relied on to support or instigate a policy preference. Contrast with "agent," "handler," etc.
- txsh 9y agoEvery country spies on every other country. But not every country steals foreign technology for its companies.
- ComodoHacker 9y agoYeah, only those who are capable.
- prklmn 9y agoAnd need to.
- zengid 9y agoThat would explain why my school's international students have such nice, James Bond-esk, cars.
- olyjohn 9y agoEh... I worked at a community college whose bread and butter was international students. Lots of them had really expensive cars. Not sure why China would send hundreds of operatives to infiltrate a community college and then pay to put them in flashy cars. It's more likely just rich parents.
- mywittyname 9y agoEven the ones driving 15 year old Chryslers likely have wealthy parents. University is absurdly expensive for international students of no particular note. On the order of $100k/yr in tuition for a no-name state school. What's another $50k when you're spending half a million dollars to educate your kid?
- toephu2 9y agoWhat no-name state school cost $100k/yr for international students? It is absurdly more expensive for int'l students but not $100k/yr. For example UC Berkeley costs $45k/year for international students [1]. [1] https://internationaloffice.berkeley.edu/students/current/expenses https://internationaloffice.berkeley.edu/students/current/ex...
- Consultant32452 9y agoIn your same link the undergrad living expenses is $64k/yr.
- gruez 9y agolive off campus?
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- ilamont 9y agoThe Chinese government has been very aggressive when it comes to media in foreign countries. Via Foreign Policy (http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/12/21/one-of-americas-biggest-chinese-language-newspapers-toes-beijings-party-line-china-influence-united-front/ http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/12/21/one-of-americas-biggest-...): In recent years, and especially since Xi became president in 2012, the Chinese government has sought various ways to increase its influence over China’s 40 million-strong diaspora. The Overseas Chinese Affairs Office, a ministry specifically dedicated to the task, works to extend the party’s reach, and the push has seen increasing success in New Zealand, Australia, and Canada, where local ethnic Chinese organizations have begun to vocally push for pro-Beijing policies. For years The Washington Post ran a paid supplement from the China Daily supplement, which was basically propaganda aimed at English speakers (https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/02/official-chinese-propaganda-now-online-from-the-wapo/70690/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/02/of...): For instance, the item above: "Stop Telling Us What We Should Do," with "we" being China and the object of the imperative sentence being the nagging United States. Or this one and this, clarifying how unfair it was for foreigners to criticize China's "rare earths" exports policy. As a matter of fact, China's "actions taken in the past few months, and those to be taken in the months to come, are totally legitimate." In Canada, the CCP pushed Canadian officials to ban English-language reporters from certain events featuring a Chinese official, and kick out a reporter from a local Chinese newspaper that criticized China's human rights record (https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/wynne-agrees-to-closed-events-with-chinese-after-communist-party-officials-asked/article26696163/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/wynne-agrees-t...). In Hong Kong, the situation for media companies is much worse - agents kidnapped book publishers and booksellers off the street in Hong Kong and Thailand and shipped them to China for trial. Their crimes? Publishing or selling unauthorized books about government officials (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/17/china-behaving-like-gangster-state-with-bookseller-kidnap-say-hong-kong-politicians https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/17/china-behaving... ). Lam, the 61-year-old manager of the Causeway Bay bookstore, claimed he had spent months in solitary confinement in a cramped cell after being snatched by a group of men as he entered mainland China in October 2015. “They blindfolded me and put a cap on my head and basically bundled me up,” Lam told reporters. Lam claimed Chinese agents had forced him to confess to crimes he had not committed during his detention. He said he had decided to speak out after thousands of demonstrators took to the streets of Hong Kong to protest the booksellers’ disappearances.
- libpcap 9y agoThese Confucius Institutes should register as an agent of a foreign government.
- crb002 9y agoDuh. Ask Chinese grad student about it. They know who the active communist party members are and who they don't speak their mind in front of about affairs back home.
- ilaksh 9y agoPersonally I think some Mandarin should become compulsory in the US because I think basic lack of communication is the greatest security risk. The biggest problem to me is the Chinese suppression of dissent and overcentralization. And since there are so many Chinese people it seems almost inevitable that these tendencies will encroach upon or at least rub off on the US. I assume at this point most universities realize any work they feel should be closed is not so if they have Chinese students involved. I wonder if it might be possible to start requiring study of decentralization and free speech topics as general requirements for graduation.
- logfromblammo 9y agoI got about six weeks of Mandarin in middle school. Not enough teachers are available to offer it in most high schools. If you wanted to really learn a second language before university, it was either French or Spanish. Like a chump, I chose French, because the teacher was reputed to give out less homework than the Spanish teacher. I've never even been to Quebec or Haiti. Quelle dommage; ce n'est pas trop utile pour moi. Tant pis. I can't even remember all the conjugations and tenses for etre. You make Mandarin mandatory in the US, and you'll just end up with a bunch of people who wasted their time learning a language they will never use. And maybe some who will try using it at a Chinese-American restaurant only to learn that everyone there speaks Cantonese, or a lesser-used Chinese dialect.
- ilaksh 9y agoTrue if it's not used it will be a waste. But the thing that worries me is the resource contention between the countries. So maybe we should have a preemptive "war on division" to try to integrate the cultures before our differences come to a violent head.
- logfromblammo 9y agoActual 2010 census said 3.8M Chinese-Americans in the US, or 1.2% of the population. 2016 interim projection was 4.9M, or 1.5%. Granted, they are largely concentrated in California, Washington, New York, and Illinois. But it's still a significant population, and they can be found nearly everywhere [that is worth emigrating to]. A large fraction of students at US universities are Chinese nationals. There are 100k Americans living in China (2/5 of them in Hong Kong), and a trace quantity of naturalized American-Chinese, because the only practical way for a white immigrant to gain Chinese citizenship is to marry a native. Applicants without obvious Asian ancestry aren't likely to ever get accepted, even if they do manage to get legally naturalized. So which culture should be expending greater efforts?
- noetic_techy 9y agoAnd we continue to tolerate those who wouldn't tolerate us... Even the Chinese have a word for these people who naively defend and turn a blind eye to this sort of thing: "Baizou". From Wikipedia: "The word baizuo is, according to political scientist Zhang Chenchen, a Chinese word that ridicules Western "liberal elites". He further defined the word "baizuo" with the definition "People who only care about topics such as immigration, minorities, LGBT and the environment" and “have no sense of real problems in the real world”; they are hypocritical humanitarians who advocate for peace and equality only to “satisfy their own feeling of moral superiority”; they are “obsessed with political correctness” to the extent that they “tolerate backwards Islamic values for the sake of multiculturalism”; they believe in the welfare state that “benefits only the idle and the free riders”; they are the “ignorant and arrogant westerners” who “pity the rest of the world and think they are saviours”.[7] The term has also been used to refer to perceived double standards of the Western media, such as the alleged bias on reporting about Islamist attacks in Xinjiang." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baizuo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baizuo
- Clubber 9y agoThat sounds a lot like it would come straight from right wing propaganda from the wording.
- sehugg 9y agoIt literally means "the white left" so yeah, pretty much. Also not sure what this word has to do with FBI anti-intelligence efforts.
- jdtang13 9y agoIt does sound right-wing, but I think it's definitely possible to be left-wing and to want to avoid being a "baizuo". The biggest thing that caught my eye was about "pitying the rest of the world" and thinking that you are a "savior" -- definitely a valid criticism, I think.
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- Clubber 9y agoIf the federal government is so concerned about giving away R&D, they need to do something about all the companies that freely give it away when they offshore manufacturing to China and other countries. They've been doing it for decades; the horse is already out of the barn. Not only that, he left the barn 30 years ago, and has recently died of old age.
- davesque 9y agoHonestly, is this news? Is it anything new that there are people roaming around university campuses that intend to make inroads into young, impressionable minds? When I was at university, I remember there was an organization called "Horizons" which would show up to a number of social events and invite people to their building located near campus for free dinner. Of course, they were a Christian organization and were keen to sell their religion in this way. I remember thinking it was a bit disingenuous but mostly just saw it as being silly. Students would go to get free dinner but seemed mostly capable of avoiding being indoctrinated. I think people such as those from the Confucius Institute should be regarded similarly. That is, they should not be seen as a real threat. What concerns me is that giving attention to these things in the wrong way will only encourage people to develop a xenophobic attitude towards foreign students. I don't think there's legitimate cause for concern here. The overall culture and message of academia -- that one should investigate for one's self and see -- still seems intact and should be capable of standing up on its own, even if some seek to infiltrate it with their own agendas.
- tetrahedr0n 9y agoHard to get through some of these statements: > They have a long-term strategic objective to become a world power. > Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats O RLY? Funny, last I checked, China was a world power. Shit, China rivals the US as a world power. > Most Americans have not heard of all of these companies. > Sen. Mark Warner, a Virginia Democrat Surprise surprise! Well, most American's haven't heard of Acxiom either. It's always surprising how much other people don't know, isn't it? And, FWIW, I bet more people have heard about ZTE than half the organizations that contribute to Mark Warner's campaigns. New companies entering our markets from China have to play by the same rules our own companies do, how is this any different. If it is different, why? How does this matter in the discussion of Chinese intelligence gathering. More importantly, who cares? The fear-mongerers care, that's who.
- perseusprime11 9y agoIs there any link to intellectual property theft? I always wonder about the need to steal our intellectual property when China is doing so well with their own startups and innovations.
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- tptacek 9y agoThis isn't a new controversy, for what it's worth. For example: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/04/29/chicago-faculty-object-their-campuss-confucius-institute https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/04/29/chicago-facul... One way to summarize: colleges accept Chinese-sponsored Confucius Institutes as a way of bolstering Chinese language programs, which are valuable in the marketplace. But if you let China fund your Chinese language programs, the instructors you end up with will to some extent suppress discussion of politically-sensitive topics. And, of course, college staff probably also see this as a labor dispute: colleges that accept CI-sponsorship are in a sense outsourcing the work of professors.
- vfulco 9y agoRegardless of what side(s) you take, it really is a blessing and benefit of the US system, there can be an open, lively, and free discussion without comments or commentors disappearing as if a phrase would topple an entire system.
- senthil_rajasek 9y agoI wonder when the FBI would take similar action on white nationalists who murder innocent immigrants.
- Khaine 9y agoIn Australia, I am concerned with the Influence that China has over our economy and how they are trying to influence our politics[1][2][3][4] [1] http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-14/china-backlash-australia-questions-of-political-interference/9258462 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-14/china-backlash-austral... [2] http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/public-service/the-art-of-influence-how-chinas-spies-operate-in-australia-20171203-gzxs06.html http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/public-service/the-... [3] https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/foreign-affairs/chinese-influence-at-all-levels-of-australian-politics-says-clive-hamilton/news-story/77be3faf6ab6f40738fc5d7d5897d78b https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/foreign-af... [4] https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/us-politics/australia-concerns-over-china-influence-spark-us-probe/news-story/24c8a86697d0b37b4c5b6cb1b8312b55 https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/us-politics/aust...
- rdiddly 9y agoGosh it's getting so you have to worry that you might inadvertently be exposed to Chinese ideas now. Or that - God forbid - they'll steal all the good pure American ones. Like how to be a spendthrift blowhard with great hair.