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This is the only reason why I moved from Android to iOS even though I enjoy the Android phones and Google Fi more. I wish Google Fi would support iOS devices.

komali2 9y ago
This change alone is tempting me, and I have been diehard anti-apple for about a decade now for walled-garden reasons. I know, I know, walled garden prevents users from opening their phone to vulnerabilities or guaranteeing a secure experience. I guess I wish I could have my cake and eat it too.
- lern_too_spel 9y ago
  Android has required the user to enter the unlock code to back up the device for years now. This is Apple playing catch-up.
  - eridius 9y ago
    iOS devices have always required the device to "trust" the computer before allowing the backup. Looking at the article, the only real difference now appears to be that you can't just use TouchID, you're forced to use the passcode.
    - lern_too_spel 9y ago
      You are correct. Android does not require you to enter a passcode to trust a computer if you have a fingerprint registered. The change is that Apple now requires you to enter a passcode if you have set up a passcode on the device in the past. If you haven't, the attack vector still exists, and if you are traveling with a trusted laptop with fingerprint unlock, the attack vector still exists with one level of indirection.
      - nemothekid 9y ago
        >If you haven't, the attack vector still exists, and if you are traveling with a trusted laptop with fingerprint unlock, the attack vector still exists with one level of indirection. You can't setup TouchID without a passcode. The "attack vector" only exists if you 0 security on your iPhone to begin with. (So , yes, technically the attack vector exists if you choose to use no locks at all).
        9935c101ab17a66 9y ago
        You misunderstand. The vector is: I take random persons phone, compel them to provide me their finger print, and now when I plug the phone in to a computer, I can unlock the device and then tap "trust" in order to back up the phone to the computer. If the iPhone was already powered on and the user had entered their passcode after it turned on, even if it was two weeks ago (there may be a time out I'm not aware of, but you get the point), I'd be able to backup their device to my computer.
        matt_wulfeck 9y ago
        That's changed now, from the article: > Under iOS 11, this sequence has changed to also specifically require the passcode on the device after the "Trust This Computer?" prompt.
    - comex 9y ago
      > Looking at the article, the only real difference now appears to be that you can't just use TouchID, you're forced to use the passcode. That's part of it. Another part is that the passcode has to be entered after the device has been connected to the computer, as opposed to starting with an unlocked phone (maybe you took it while it was in use, maybe you forced the user to unlock it) and connecting it to a computer later.
      - jaclaz 9y ago
        I am not sure to understand. Once the device is unlocked, what is the obstacle to change the passcode? Needing the old one? Or - if you prefer - what happens if you have a TouchID and forget the passcode? Do you need to reset the phone?
    - code_duck 9y ago
      Not always... just since iOS 7.
  - ReverseCold 9y ago
    Android = Google (No, aosp is unusable, and Google is working to make it more unusable). Google = no privacy Therefore, Android = no privacy Q.E.D
    - lern_too_spel 9y ago
      What data does Google collect that Apple doesn't collect? The only difference I can see is that Google is competent at making the data it collects useful to the user and barely usable to advertisers. Your comment looks like trolling. We were discussing a feature to prevent others from backing up your device.
      - adventured 9y ago
        In the first part, you're setting up a premise that nobody here can or will answer publicly even if they have the knowledge of the exact information collected by either company. That gives you a free run at the second part without anything supporting it.
        lern_too_spel 9y ago
        The information they collect is in their OSes' respective privacy policies. I've looked at them. They are pretty much exactly the same.
        LeoNatan25 9y ago
        You must have looked at the privacy policies but not read them.
        lern_too_spel 9y ago
        You and GGP are the ones making ridiculous claims without evidence (that the data the OSes collect are unknowable instead of outlined in a privacy policy and that Android collects more data than iOS out of the box).
  - seanp2k2 9y ago
    How hard is it to jailbreak with ADB shell and get root on a random phone? Does that always require a code?
    - vurpo 9y ago
      It depends on the device, but at least on Nexus/Pixel devices you can just plug the phone in and `fastboot oem unlock` and it will unlock the bootloader, i.e. allow you to flash anything onto it that you want.
      - lern_too_spel 9y ago
        This does not let you access the user's data because fastboot oem unlock wipes the data partition. Before you can unlock the bootloader, you have to enable the option in the developer menu, which requires the phone's owner's account's unlock code.
  - on_and_off 9y ago
    not sure why there are massive downvotes AFAIK this is true
madeofpalk 9y ago
> I wish Google Fi would support iOS devices. I'm curious - how can a carrier support and not support certain networks? Isn't that like saying I wish my ISP supported Linux?
- Prefinem 9y ago
  Google Fi only allows Their Nexus and Pixel phones on their network. It is like an ISP seeing that you are running Linux and not letting your traffic through, just a bit more complicated than that. (SIM Card, Modems, Frequencies)
  - fooey 9y ago
    You can pop a tmobile SIM in the phone and they partially work, but Google Fi requires hardware support in the radio to work fully It's not that they're blocking iOS, but more that iPhones don't support the network.
    - Prefinem 9y ago
      Understood. Just wish they would both get on board with it.
  - Dylan16807 9y ago
    Not quite. You need those phones to activate service but you can move that sim into other phones later. Once you have service you can also get data-only sims that openly support all devices.
    - Prefinem 9y ago
      Can you still recieve sms and normal phone calls? Because last time I tried, it didn’t work.
      - rweir 9y ago
        yes
QAPereo 9y ago
Largely the same here, I'm giving up on Windows too, and I've been using MS OS' since DOS. I'll pay a premium to keep my data secure.

komali2 9y ago

This change alone is tempting me, and I have been diehard anti-apple for about a decade now for walled-garden reasons. I know, I know, walled garden prevents users from opening their phone to vulnerabilities or guaranteeing a secure experience. I guess I wish I could have my cake and eat it too.

lern_too_spel 9y ago
Android has required the user to enter the unlock code to back up the device for years now. This is Apple playing catch-up.
- eridius 9y ago
  iOS devices have always required the device to "trust" the computer before allowing the backup. Looking at the article, the only real difference now appears to be that you can't just use TouchID, you're forced to use the passcode.
  - lern_too_spel 9y ago
    You are correct. Android does not require you to enter a passcode to trust a computer if you have a fingerprint registered. The change is that Apple now requires you to enter a passcode if you have set up a passcode on the device in the past. If you haven't, the attack vector still exists, and if you are traveling with a trusted laptop with fingerprint unlock, the attack vector still exists with one level of indirection.
    - nemothekid 9y ago
      >If you haven't, the attack vector still exists, and if you are traveling with a trusted laptop with fingerprint unlock, the attack vector still exists with one level of indirection. You can't setup TouchID without a passcode. The "attack vector" only exists if you 0 security on your iPhone to begin with. (So , yes, technically the attack vector exists if you choose to use no locks at all).
      - 9935c101ab17a66 9y ago
        You misunderstand. The vector is: I take random persons phone, compel them to provide me their finger print, and now when I plug the phone in to a computer, I can unlock the device and then tap "trust" in order to back up the phone to the computer. If the iPhone was already powered on and the user had entered their passcode after it turned on, even if it was two weeks ago (there may be a time out I'm not aware of, but you get the point), I'd be able to backup their device to my computer.
        matt_wulfeck 9y ago
        That's changed now, from the article: > Under iOS 11, this sequence has changed to also specifically require the passcode on the device after the "Trust This Computer?" prompt.
  - comex 9y ago
    > Looking at the article, the only real difference now appears to be that you can't just use TouchID, you're forced to use the passcode. That's part of it. Another part is that the passcode has to be entered after the device has been connected to the computer, as opposed to starting with an unlocked phone (maybe you took it while it was in use, maybe you forced the user to unlock it) and connecting it to a computer later.
    - jaclaz 9y ago
      I am not sure to understand. Once the device is unlocked, what is the obstacle to change the passcode? Needing the old one? Or - if you prefer - what happens if you have a TouchID and forget the passcode? Do you need to reset the phone?
  - code_duck 9y ago
    Not always... just since iOS 7.
- ReverseCold 9y ago
  Android = Google (No, aosp is unusable, and Google is working to make it more unusable). Google = no privacy Therefore, Android = no privacy Q.E.D
  - lern_too_spel 9y ago
    What data does Google collect that Apple doesn't collect? The only difference I can see is that Google is competent at making the data it collects useful to the user and barely usable to advertisers. Your comment looks like trolling. We were discussing a feature to prevent others from backing up your device.
    - adventured 9y ago
      In the first part, you're setting up a premise that nobody here can or will answer publicly even if they have the knowledge of the exact information collected by either company. That gives you a free run at the second part without anything supporting it.
      - lern_too_spel 9y ago
        The information they collect is in their OSes' respective privacy policies. I've looked at them. They are pretty much exactly the same.
        LeoNatan25 9y ago
        You must have looked at the privacy policies but not read them.
        lern_too_spel 9y ago
        You and GGP are the ones making ridiculous claims without evidence (that the data the OSes collect are unknowable instead of outlined in a privacy policy and that Android collects more data than iOS out of the box).
- seanp2k2 9y ago
  How hard is it to jailbreak with ADB shell and get root on a random phone? Does that always require a code?
  - vurpo 9y ago
    It depends on the device, but at least on Nexus/Pixel devices you can just plug the phone in and `fastboot oem unlock` and it will unlock the bootloader, i.e. allow you to flash anything onto it that you want.
    - lern_too_spel 9y ago
      This does not let you access the user's data because fastboot oem unlock wipes the data partition. Before you can unlock the bootloader, you have to enable the option in the developer menu, which requires the phone's owner's account's unlock code.
- on_and_off 9y ago
  not sure why there are massive downvotes AFAIK this is true

madeofpalk 9y ago

> I wish Google Fi would support iOS devices. I'm curious - how can a carrier support and not support certain networks? Isn't that like saying I wish my ISP supported Linux?

Prefinem 9y ago
Google Fi only allows Their Nexus and Pixel phones on their network. It is like an ISP seeing that you are running Linux and not letting your traffic through, just a bit more complicated than that. (SIM Card, Modems, Frequencies)
- fooey 9y ago
  You can pop a tmobile SIM in the phone and they partially work, but Google Fi requires hardware support in the radio to work fully It's not that they're blocking iOS, but more that iPhones don't support the network.
  - Prefinem 9y ago
    Understood. Just wish they would both get on board with it.
- Dylan16807 9y ago
  Not quite. You need those phones to activate service but you can move that sim into other phones later. Once you have service you can also get data-only sims that openly support all devices.
  - Prefinem 9y ago
    Can you still recieve sms and normal phone calls? Because last time I tried, it didn’t work.
    - rweir 9y ago
      yes

QAPereo 9y ago

Largely the same here, I'm giving up on Windows too, and I've been using MS OS' since DOS. I'll pay a premium to keep my data secure.