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Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

285 points by RandVal30142 9y ago

vowelless 9y ago
I think more people need to resign from such positions. Good on Krzanich.
- jacquesm 9y ago
  They do: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/14/merck-ceo-resigns-from-trumps-american-manufacturing-council.html https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/14/merck-ceo-resigns-from-trump...
  - vowelless 9y ago
    Thanks. I heard about that. I am not sure how much resigning will help, but it needs to be done.
    - jacquesm 9y ago
      It sends a pretty strong message that certain ideologies are not an option for some of the American captains of industry. Trump is rather big on having their attention so them resigning sends a clear signal that if this is the path Trump wants to be on it will be a lonely one. Whether or not that message will be received and how it will be interpreted if it is received is an entirely different matter.
      - cafard 9y ago
        "Trump is rather big on having their attention" I imagine that it feeds his vanity to have them around. Perhaps "their attendance" is nearer what he wants.
jacquesm 9y ago
Merck's CEO did this too.
- vermontdevil 9y ago
  And is the only one who got blasted by Trump.
  - croon 9y ago
    Coincidentally also the only one who wasn't white.
    - jmkni 9y ago
      ding ding ding
      - radisb 9y ago
        He said "coincidentaly", though :)
    - makomk 9y ago
      Coincidentally, he was also the first one who left (edit: not fired). Trump got around to tweeting angrily about the others after you posted this: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/15/trump-hits-ceos-who-left-manufacturing-council-as-grandstanders.html https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/15/trump-hits-ceos-who-left-man...
      - croon 9y ago
        1) No one was fired. 2) He did that 3 hours after I posted this, and long after they had all left.
low_battery 9y ago
What took him so long?
- jacquesm 9y ago
  I suspect that he thought that it would be possible to work some change from the inside. Now that the optical disadvantages of being closer to Trump have clearly outweighed the advantages there is no other choice left than to resign.
  - ikeyany 9y ago
    But Trump has been bedfellows with white supremacists since day one. All of a sudden there are "optical disadvantages" of being closer to him?
    - jacquesm 9y ago
      > But Trump has been bedfellows with white supremacists since day one. Yes, but there were people who thought that once he became president his true nature would come out and things would be better and that he was merely using these people as a tool to get elected. Now, he probably did use them as a tool to get elected but at the same time I suspect that his real sympathies lie with them rather than with the groups that would like to consider everybody equal before the law. > All of a sudden there are "optical disadvantages" of being closer to him? Well, there probably always were disadvantages but they are becoming rather more pronounced now. People are calling for boycotts of the products of companies standing with Trump and every action that Trump takes that forces them to either go all in or denounce him will cause a few to break off. It's surprising me that so many companies are still on board.
      - zimpenfish 9y ago
        > once he became president his true nature would come out NARRATOR: "It did."
      - ikeyany 9y ago
otalp 9y ago
Major companies that still have representatives in the council: GM, Blackrock, BCG, Walmart, Boeing, Pepsi, IBM, GE, Dow, Dell, Whirlpool, Ford, Johnson&Johnson, Lockheed Martin, US Steel, 3M, Corning Everyone who has left: Uber(Travel Ban and #DeleteUber), Disney(Paris withdrawal), Tesla/SpaceX(Paris Withdrawal). And now Merck, Under Armour and Intel(all left after failure to condemn white supremacists)
- jacquesm 9y ago
  Ford and IBM should feel right at home.
  - pawadu 9y ago
    Don't forget Dow Chemical ...
- Stratoscope 9y ago
  > Everyone who's left: ... Could you please disambiguate that? I am confused. Does it mean "Everyone who is left" or "Everyone who has left"? Thanks! Edit: For anyone who wonders what the heck I was talking about, the parent comment originally said "Everyone who's left" - and I honestly was not sure which it meant. That comment has now been edited to read "Everyone who has left", so I am grateful for the clarification. I would delete this comment since it's now moot, but since a couple of people were kind enough to reply, deleting it now would probably make things even more confusing. :-)
  - epmaybe 9y ago
    Everyone who has left
  - fenomas 9y ago
    The first para is those that are left, hence the latter is those that have left.
    - dmoy 9y ago
lex_luthor 9y ago
Glad to hear that a lot these CEOs are resigning. To be honest, the council is most likely better off without them as a lot of these big corporations favor offshore outsourcing and profit immensely from payroll/labor arbitrage.
- pc86 9y ago
  > payroll/labor arbitrage Or as it's known outside of academia, "business."
  - jackmott 9y ago
    im not sure many of the disaffected youth turning into nazis have been in academia much
    - w_t_payne 9y ago
      Which is why the crazies surround themselves with such a wall of ignorance and paranoia that they can no longer seem to distinguish academia, liberalism and islamic fundamentalism. The world must appear as such an undifferentiated wall of hostility and threat to them...
    - ahugebeach 9y ago
      I suspect identity politics from the left is backfiring tremendously combined with a lack of jobs, you have pain and extreme hatred. Also politics on both the left and right favors global corporations. Identity politics and failed politics are ripping america apart.
  - lkbm 9y ago
    That's a much broader term. Being specific is very helpful in communication. If you just want to switch to a more easily understood term, "cheaper labor" seems like it would work.
    - lex_luthor 9y ago
      well said.
bitL 9y ago
"A house divided against itself cannot stand." -- Abraham Lincoln Pretty worrying to observe the polarization in the US where IMO both left and right are full of extremist views and moderates have no audible voice.
- jacquesm 9y ago
  > both left and right are full of extremist views Again?
  - humanrebar 9y ago
    If you think the polarization of politics contributes to violence, it seems like a fair point. Honestly, it's probably too soon to be making political points. But then people are looking for political wins in the aftermath (resignations and shunning I guess?), so I don't see how that sort of thing is on the table. Seems like uneven expectations about what decent people should do in the face of tragedy.
    - jacquesm 9y ago
      > If you think the polarization of politics contributes to violence, it seems like a fair point. I'm sure it does. Now, who exactly is doing the polarizing here? > Honestly, it's probably too soon to be making political points. On the contrary, it is probably way too late. Now the question is how much damage will be done before the landslide is arrested. My sense of that: all bets are off. > But then people are looking for political wins in the aftermath (resignations and shunning I guess?), so I don't see how that sort of thing is on the table. Giving up on the administration is not a political win, it is damage control. > Seems like uneven expectations about what decent people should do in the face of tragedy. It depends on your definition of 'decent' how you read that.
      - humanrebar 9y ago
        > Giving up on the administration is not a political win, it is damage control. I gave up on Trump in the winter of 2015/2016. I'm way ahead of you there. I'm just saying people have valid thoughts (polarization in general leads to t his) that might be considered premature. But if we're going to be evenhanded, angry left-wing people need to honor a cool off period for a while. Keep in mind that moderates who dislike Trump from the start can fairly blame left-wing shenanigans, at least partly, for the rise of Trump. Lumping them in with racists and downvoting them isn't healthy dialogue.
whatok 9y ago
hacker news
- motoboi 9y ago
  Intel is chip manufacturing company. What can be more relevant than this?
jackmott 9y ago
the left are mostly moderates. we lost our shit and started sounding like extremists when we elected a nazi as president. I will not apologize for that either.
- williamgb 9y ago
  The right are mostly moderates too, no?
  - woofyman 9y ago
    Moderate Republicans have been driven out of the party. They're considered RINOS.
    - jacquesm 9y ago
      But the moderate republican voters still vote republican.
    - diryawish 9y ago
      Trump was the most moderate Republican candidate.
      - sjwright 9y ago
        Those were the days. Sadly, of the issues for which Candidate Trump was politically moderate, few have survived into his presidency. Actually, I can't think of any.
      - yardie 9y ago
        There were far more candidates that did not run on racist, misogynist platforms, ie. Bush, Rubio, Johnson. Trump was never the most moderate. The Republican party didn't even choose him. Their constituents did. And if they had been paying attention they would have known a demagogue could have walked off with the party base.
        9y ago
jumanchiss 9y ago
The moderate, peaceful Left http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4789478/Several-Confederate-memorials-vandalized-one-removed.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4789478/Several-Conf...
MichaelBurge 9y ago
> I am not a politician. I am an engineer who has spent most of his career working in factories that manufacture the world’s most advanced devices. Yet, it is clear even to me that nearly every issue is now politicized to the point where significant progress is impossible. Promoting American manufacturing should not be a political issue. There's something I can get behind. Angry people have a positive feedback loop, so if we all collectively talked about Monads there'd be fewer problems.
- sorokod 9y ago
  "Promoting American manufacturing should not be a political issue." Do you mean U.S. manufacturing? Does U.S. wishes to trade with other nations?
- sanderjd 9y ago
  Promoting the interests of your own country over those of others is fundamentally political. Perhaps you think it should not be partisan? Otherwise, this is just wrong - trade policy is diplomacy and diplomacy is, always has been, always will be, and must be, political.
adventist 9y ago
What is the point in quitting? You just went from some voice to zero. This is just virtue-signaling and is non-productive.
- agildehaus 9y ago
  Having a voice is pointless if the person you're speaking to has no intention of listening.
  - zimpenfish 9y ago
    And that's why the "Why won't people just TALK to the Nazis?" nonsense is nonsense.
- andyjohnson0 9y ago
  He's still the CEO of a $60billion corporation. Hardly voiceless.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > What is the point in quitting? You just went from some voice to zero. People—especially in billionaire CEOs—have a voice whether or not they serve on one of Trump's showpiece councils. > This is just virtue-signaling Virtue-signalling is a technique to magnify trust from and thereby influence over the signalled group; it is often, for that reason, a mechanism to magnify one's political voice. So, the complaint that it is virtue-signalling actually contradicts the complaint that it nullifies the actor's voice.
madengr 9y ago
Why, because Trump criticized the leftists thugs (ANTIFA, BLM) in addition to the neo-nazis?
- nl 9y ago
  Yes. The leftist thugs deserve criticism, and they should be prosecuted when they cause property damage or harm people. But they weren't the problem at Charlottesville. There, Nazis, the KKK and other White Supremacists marched to prove that their race was better than others. That deserves to be condemned in itself. They also ended up killing someone in what appears to be a deliberate act.
  - madengr 9y ago
    The nazis had the demonstration permit (not that one should be needed). BOTH sides were the problem, because BOTH sides were engaging in violence. That's exactly what Trump said. This country isn't a safe space; seems many want it like that.
    - throwawaywonk 9y ago
      The Nazis showed up with guns, shields, and clubs. Don't pretend like they weren't prepared for urban warfare. Have you told your friends and family that you might be a white nationalist?
      - andriesm 9y ago
        Why are you getting so personal in attacking this dude? One can support a Nazi's right to free speech even while being 100 percent against Nazis or Nazism.
        Angostura 9y ago
        OP was asserting equivalence between the two groups in terms of violence. The poster you are responding to pointed out that one of the groups came tooled up. This is not a free speech issue.
akerro 9y ago
> my abhorrence at the recent hate-spawned violence in Charlottesville, and earlier today I called on all leaders to condemn the white supremacists Does he know that the victim of violence was actually the attacker and he attacked walking protesters with baseball bat? https://streamable.com/svxcr https://streamable.com/svxcr
- jacquesm 9y ago
  Do you know that he's not talking about that incident but about the murder of Heather Heyer and the wounding of 10's of others?
- pknopf 9y ago
  Nobody is talking about him.
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technological 9y ago
Isn't being on council would provide us like 0.9% of chance he would listen rather having no correct person on the council ?
jameskegel 9y ago
Nothing productive is happening in these comments. Admin should intervene.
- whipoodle 9y ago
  I saw quite a few people condemning white supremacists. Seems good to me!
- andriesm 9y ago
  I think admins should intervene as a VERY LAST OPTION, and only delete truly obnoxious posts or distractimg flame wars. If people are insulting or use foul language, sure, but if they express bad ideas, that is an opportunity to show what is wrong with it, and if you keep your tone respectful when responding it is less likely to devolve. Treat people with curtousy even if you think the ideas themselves don't deserve it. Goodwill goes a long way
- superobserver 9y ago
  Lots of comments condemning Trump's condemnation of (the Nazi collaborator) Soros funded Antifa & BLM and white supremacists. I wonder who is responsible for the curiously pseudo-liberal turn in the comments here. Anyway, Merk, Intel, and so on exemplify all that is wrong with the fringe in politics that seeks to use violence as a means to an end. Anyone with any sense can see this for what it is, however, and no one is buying the mainstream narrative - the MSM and these corporate fascists are only painting a larger target on themselves.
  - RandVal30142 9y ago
    ... what?
    - superobserver 9y ago
      TL;DR: Intel is going down and AMD is going up.
JustSomeNobody 9y ago
This position probably had very little political influence. However, why not stay and use whatever influence you may have to make a difference? Is it just not possible anymore to stay and disagree?
- MBCook 9y ago
  I suspect resigning, especially if it gives headlines, gives more political influence that they'd have had just staying on the board. > Is it just not possible anymore to stay and disagree? Many have done that so far in the administration. At a certain point it becomes untenable to stay and give any appearance of support/cooperation.
- gwbas1c 9y ago
  That's probably what people thought when they joined. (I certainly would joined if I was in the same position.) Continually appeasing someone irrational isn't going to fix the underlying problems specific to Trump.
- beager 9y ago
  I think people are leaving because the position has no political influence, and the cost of taking PR shrapnel from a disastrous Trump presidency is too high. These business leaders can be assumed to be in it for self-aggrandizing reasons, so if their profiles as business leaders don't increase from this council, and if Trump is toxic to any of their future political designs, there's no better choice than to leave. I don't think people choose to leave these councils particularly because of an ideological red line. If the spoils were good they'd find a way to rationalize it. Such is all of business and politics.
Dirlewanger 9y ago
It's like a lose-lose. Stay on the council, you ostensibly are committed to keeping manufacturing jobs in the US, but could be seen as complicit of Trump. Leave, and you're making a stand against Trump...while at the same time leaving one of the few good things he has going for him. And let's be honest, without some sort of external coercion, these companies aren't going to stay in the US.
- Angostura 9y ago
  You say that's leaving is problematic, but is there evidence that these councils have any influence in shaping policy? They look more like ego-boosts for the president: 'I've collected these guys'
- drzaiusapelord 9y ago
  >And let's be honest, without some sort of external coercion, these companies aren't going to stay in the US. Chip fabs are already overseas and there's zero practical approaches to bring them here. President "Job Creator" can't bring these jobs here, period. Intel's various management, engineering, marketing, etc jobs aren't going anywhere.
  - 11thEarlOfMar 9y ago
    I guess you missed this. Intel announced in Feb this year that they are spending $7B in Arizona to build a chip fab: https://www.wsj.com/articles/intel-corp-announces-7-billion-investment-in-arizona-plant-1486578589 https://www.wsj.com/articles/intel-corp-announces-7-billion-...
    - drzaiusapelord 9y ago
      Wonderful, but its the state or Arizona taking the tax and regulatory hit to build that factory, which compliments the two existing ones Intel has. President Trump's credit for this deal is the usual meaningless ass-kissing presidents get, but ultimately its Arizona that made that happen the same way Arizona made the previous plants happen. Also this it to finish a factory thats been in the building stages during the Obama administration. >In fact, the factory, which was originally announced back in 2011 and largely completed by 2014 was put on hold not because of regulatory burden, but because of declining PC sales Being on the manufacturing council doesn't affect this nor did it make it happen. The council as a "jobs creator" is laughable especially when we're talking about an Obama-era factory. https://www.engadget.com/2017/02/08/intel-arizona-factory-7-billion-3000-jobs-fab-42/ https://www.engadget.com/2017/02/08/intel-arizona-factory-7-...
gadders 9y ago
>> I resigned to call attention to the serious harm our divided political climate is causing to critical issues... .. by performing a further politically divisive act. I can't believe corporate virtue signalling has become a thing now.
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graycat 9y ago
I hate to get involved in politics here at HN, but maybe I can contribute a comment that really isn't politics but is business and news strategy? First, I try to stay up on the news, that is, the facts about what has been happening. Well, there's a lot of news on the Internet, so I can get a lot of input on some version of what has been happening. At this point, to me, the news doesn't make any sense. The news doesn't look like it is trying to give me facts about what has been happening. Or, the collection of supposed facts are self-contradictory, don't add up. And the news looks like something other than facts about what is happening. In particular, nearly all the supposed news looks like made-up, cooked-up, stirred-up, faked-up, gang-up, pile-on something other than facts about what is going on. Or the real fact about what is going on looks like the news has become some propaganda Goebbels style with "If you tell a lie often enough, then people will believe it.". Or, maybe easier to swallow, it looks like the news is expert in high school in-group gossip where they fight with gossip. Then, with enough bad gossip about person A, lots of other persons, e.g., some person B, even if they don't believe the gossip don't want to fight all the people who do or pretend to believe the gossip so go along with the gossip, the mob, and also reject A. So, the gossip is not true but has much the same effect as if it were true. I'm guessing that the news is really good at such high school in-group gossip. In high school I was a math nerd and no good at gossip! So, a question, then, is what the heck is going on in the news business, industry, etc.? Guesses: (1) The old news business is very short on revenue. Why? The Internet has cut off much of the revenue they got from (A) classified ads, (B) other ads, (C) revenue per copy on paper, (D) audience size. Also maybe significant is that maybe the local shopping mall stores no longer nearly as often run big ads in the newspapers because Amazon has such mall stores nearly out of business. So, such news operations, really short on money, have gone to whatever shocking, astounding, content they could find to try to increase their audience. There they have moved up a step: The stories and headlines are not just shocking but are planned as part of a larger narrative that the media outlet hopes will catch on, like big gossip, and yield more stories over the horizon, where the narrative helps the credibility of each story and each story adds to the narrative. So, in simple terms, they cook up an issue, make it a narrative, pile-on, gang-up, and push it, over and over. The issue is just made up and not true, but all the news media sees the opportunity right away so just piles on, goes with the narrative, and hopes for revenue. (2) Some of the advertisers and other people, companies, etc. are behind the scenes, have long been there, have big bucks, influence the content of the news, and cases of such influence go way back in the news business. In particular, now some of the issues in the news are really efforts for some of the people with big bucks to try to get their way, and there is big money involved. E.g., there was the recent Sharyl Attkisson remark that essentially everything in the news is put there, paid to be there, by someone out to influence your opinion. (3) The election of 11/8/2016 was in many ways darned close. In particular, the election for POTUS was so close that one candidate won the popular vote by some and the other candidate won the vote in the Electoral College by some. Well, for the news, take the Trump voters over here and the Hillary voters over there. The media wants a big audience. Soooo, they can go for the Hillary voters. There are still lots of them out there who still like Hillary, Obama, Schumer, Pelosi, etc. The news can fire up the Hillery voters and get audience, eyeballs, and ad revenue. And there are claims that the news rooms were 90+% for Hillary anyway. Then for the Trump voters, or just the Republicans, they are not uniform and tend to split. So, there are "never-Trump" Republicans. There's John McCain who seems to hate Trump going way back at least to an early Trump campaign speech in Phoenix that McCain quickly described as "firing up the crazies", and that spat has continued through the Iowa event a few days later to the present. And Paul Ryan, VP with Romney, is no Trump buddy. And Romney hates Trump. Soooo, the news can get more audience by playing on, playing up to parts of, the divisions of the Republicans. And likely could find more such motivations for the news. So, the news is no longer about giving me facts about what is going on. And it looks like the news is no longer interested in facts at all and, instead, is in some attention getting but also very bitter, center ring, mud wrestling, gossip, cage match. So, I've given up on nearly all the news -- their people are getting no attention, eyeballs, clicks, or ad revenue from me. I still want facts about what is happening. Well apparently for now the main fact is just that mud wrestling cage match. So, the OP was about the CEO of Intel resigning. Why? Maybe he was influenced by the gossip; maybe be believes a lot of the gossip; maybe he just wants to keep himself and Intel away from the mud wrestling. My guess is the last, he just wants to stay the heck away from the mud wrestling and away from the gossip. So, now we see, as in high school, that enough gossip can have a lot of influence with some actual, tangible results. Some people are really good at gossip and now are the center of a big gang-up and pile-on of news media business and maybe political, strategy. Curious. My view is that the news people are throwing away their credibility, but my guess is that the news is so short on revenue that they no longer care about their credibility and want to go with the gossip. Maybe, apparently, they believe that if with enough gossip they can actually get Trump out of the White House, then they will get back their credibility -- that even with total BS gossip they can make their claims have the practical effects that might happen if the gossip were true. IMHO, that self-fulfilling gossip strategy will flop: The media will shrink back to some Internet Web sites and YouTube video clips with only about 10% of the revenue they were long used to. Why? Well, really, the credibility of the news has long been a really bad and ugly joke. E.g., there's an old 1930s Andy Hardy movie, maybe still shown occasionally on TV, if we still have TV (do we?), where Andy is laughing at the credibility of newspapers -- the audience in the 1930s was fully prepared to laugh at the news. But going back to Thomas Jefferson, the credibility of the news was even worse, much worse, as in Jefferson's http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_speechs29.html http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_spe... with in part "Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knolege with the lies of the day." So, apparently since Jefferson, the news has been, really, just dramatic fiction, light entertainment. Well, really, a lot of people know this. Too bad the CEO of Intel didn't and, instead, took the gossip seriously.
pyroinferno 9y ago
Just wanted to add this, there is videos of the guy's car getting attacked right before he ran into that crowd of people (he was coming to a stop in front of the crowd). I think this case isn't that black and white.
- snsr 9y ago
  Absolutely incorrect. No brakes, and he sped up. This was an intentional attack. https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/896433978810519552/pu/pl/GLS8wE4EAwT0Aiuk.m3u8 https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/896433978810519552/pu/p...
Moshe_Silnorin 9y ago
Live by the sword, die by the sword.

285 points by RandVal30142 9y ago

vowelless 9y ago

I think more people need to resign from such positions. Good on Krzanich.

jacquesm 9y ago
They do: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/14/merck-ceo-resigns-from-trumps-american-manufacturing-council.html https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/14/merck-ceo-resigns-from-trump...
- vowelless 9y ago
  Thanks. I heard about that. I am not sure how much resigning will help, but it needs to be done.
  - jacquesm 9y ago
    It sends a pretty strong message that certain ideologies are not an option for some of the American captains of industry. Trump is rather big on having their attention so them resigning sends a clear signal that if this is the path Trump wants to be on it will be a lonely one. Whether or not that message will be received and how it will be interpreted if it is received is an entirely different matter.
    - cafard 9y ago
      "Trump is rather big on having their attention" I imagine that it feeds his vanity to have them around. Perhaps "their attendance" is nearer what he wants.

jacquesm 9y ago

Merck's CEO did this too.

vermontdevil 9y ago
And is the only one who got blasted by Trump.
- croon 9y ago
  Coincidentally also the only one who wasn't white.
  - jmkni 9y ago
    ding ding ding
    - radisb 9y ago
      He said "coincidentaly", though :)
  - makomk 9y ago
    Coincidentally, he was also the first one who left (edit: not fired). Trump got around to tweeting angrily about the others after you posted this: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/15/trump-hits-ceos-who-left-manufacturing-council-as-grandstanders.html https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/15/trump-hits-ceos-who-left-man...
    - croon 9y ago
      1) No one was fired. 2) He did that 3 hours after I posted this, and long after they had all left.

low_battery 9y ago

What took him so long?

jacquesm 9y ago
I suspect that he thought that it would be possible to work some change from the inside. Now that the optical disadvantages of being closer to Trump have clearly outweighed the advantages there is no other choice left than to resign.
- ikeyany 9y ago
  But Trump has been bedfellows with white supremacists since day one. All of a sudden there are "optical disadvantages" of being closer to him?
  - jacquesm 9y ago
    > But Trump has been bedfellows with white supremacists since day one. Yes, but there were people who thought that once he became president his true nature would come out and things would be better and that he was merely using these people as a tool to get elected. Now, he probably did use them as a tool to get elected but at the same time I suspect that his real sympathies lie with them rather than with the groups that would like to consider everybody equal before the law. > All of a sudden there are "optical disadvantages" of being closer to him? Well, there probably always were disadvantages but they are becoming rather more pronounced now. People are calling for boycotts of the products of companies standing with Trump and every action that Trump takes that forces them to either go all in or denounce him will cause a few to break off. It's surprising me that so many companies are still on board.
    - zimpenfish 9y ago
      > once he became president his true nature would come out NARRATOR: "It did."
    - ikeyany 9y ago

otalp 9y ago

Major companies that still have representatives in the council: GM, Blackrock, BCG, Walmart, Boeing, Pepsi, IBM, GE, Dow, Dell, Whirlpool, Ford, Johnson&Johnson, Lockheed Martin, US Steel, 3M, Corning Everyone who has left: Uber(Travel Ban and #DeleteUber), Disney(Paris withdrawal), Tesla/SpaceX(Paris Withdrawal). And now Merck, Under Armour and Intel(all left after failure to condemn white supremacists)

jacquesm 9y ago
Ford and IBM should feel right at home.
- pawadu 9y ago
  Don't forget Dow Chemical ...
Stratoscope 9y ago
> Everyone who's left: ... Could you please disambiguate that? I am confused. Does it mean "Everyone who is left" or "Everyone who has left"? Thanks! Edit: For anyone who wonders what the heck I was talking about, the parent comment originally said "Everyone who's left" - and I honestly was not sure which it meant. That comment has now been edited to read "Everyone who has left", so I am grateful for the clarification. I would delete this comment since it's now moot, but since a couple of people were kind enough to reply, deleting it now would probably make things even more confusing. :-)
- epmaybe 9y ago
  Everyone who has left
- fenomas 9y ago
  The first para is those that are left, hence the latter is those that have left.
  - dmoy 9y ago

lex_luthor 9y ago

Glad to hear that a lot these CEOs are resigning. To be honest, the council is most likely better off without them as a lot of these big corporations favor offshore outsourcing and profit immensely from payroll/labor arbitrage.

pc86 9y ago
> payroll/labor arbitrage Or as it's known outside of academia, "business."
- jackmott 9y ago
  im not sure many of the disaffected youth turning into nazis have been in academia much
  - w_t_payne 9y ago
    Which is why the crazies surround themselves with such a wall of ignorance and paranoia that they can no longer seem to distinguish academia, liberalism and islamic fundamentalism. The world must appear as such an undifferentiated wall of hostility and threat to them...
  - ahugebeach 9y ago
    I suspect identity politics from the left is backfiring tremendously combined with a lack of jobs, you have pain and extreme hatred. Also politics on both the left and right favors global corporations. Identity politics and failed politics are ripping america apart.
- lkbm 9y ago
  That's a much broader term. Being specific is very helpful in communication. If you just want to switch to a more easily understood term, "cheaper labor" seems like it would work.
  - lex_luthor 9y ago
    well said.

bitL 9y ago

"A house divided against itself cannot stand." -- Abraham Lincoln Pretty worrying to observe the polarization in the US where IMO both left and right are full of extremist views and moderates have no audible voice.

jacquesm 9y ago
> both left and right are full of extremist views Again?
- humanrebar 9y ago
  If you think the polarization of politics contributes to violence, it seems like a fair point. Honestly, it's probably too soon to be making political points. But then people are looking for political wins in the aftermath (resignations and shunning I guess?), so I don't see how that sort of thing is on the table. Seems like uneven expectations about what decent people should do in the face of tragedy.
  - jacquesm 9y ago
    > If you think the polarization of politics contributes to violence, it seems like a fair point. I'm sure it does. Now, who exactly is doing the polarizing here? > Honestly, it's probably too soon to be making political points. On the contrary, it is probably way too late. Now the question is how much damage will be done before the landslide is arrested. My sense of that: all bets are off. > But then people are looking for political wins in the aftermath (resignations and shunning I guess?), so I don't see how that sort of thing is on the table. Giving up on the administration is not a political win, it is damage control. > Seems like uneven expectations about what decent people should do in the face of tragedy. It depends on your definition of 'decent' how you read that.
    - humanrebar 9y ago
      > Giving up on the administration is not a political win, it is damage control. I gave up on Trump in the winter of 2015/2016. I'm way ahead of you there. I'm just saying people have valid thoughts (polarization in general leads to t his) that might be considered premature. But if we're going to be evenhanded, angry left-wing people need to honor a cool off period for a while. Keep in mind that moderates who dislike Trump from the start can fairly blame left-wing shenanigans, at least partly, for the rise of Trump. Lumping them in with racists and downvoting them isn't healthy dialogue.

whatok 9y ago

hacker news

motoboi 9y ago
Intel is chip manufacturing company. What can be more relevant than this?

jackmott 9y ago

the left are mostly moderates. we lost our shit and started sounding like extremists when we elected a nazi as president. I will not apologize for that either.

williamgb 9y ago
The right are mostly moderates too, no?
- woofyman 9y ago
  Moderate Republicans have been driven out of the party. They're considered RINOS.
  - jacquesm 9y ago
    But the moderate republican voters still vote republican.
  - diryawish 9y ago
    Trump was the most moderate Republican candidate.
    - sjwright 9y ago
      Those were the days. Sadly, of the issues for which Candidate Trump was politically moderate, few have survived into his presidency. Actually, I can't think of any.
    - yardie 9y ago
      There were far more candidates that did not run on racist, misogynist platforms, ie. Bush, Rubio, Johnson. Trump was never the most moderate. The Republican party didn't even choose him. Their constituents did. And if they had been paying attention they would have known a demagogue could have walked off with the party base.
      - 9y ago

jumanchiss 9y ago

The moderate, peaceful Left http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4789478/Several-Confederate-memorials-vandalized-one-removed.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4789478/Several-Conf...

MichaelBurge 9y ago

> I am not a politician. I am an engineer who has spent most of his career working in factories that manufacture the world’s most advanced devices. Yet, it is clear even to me that nearly every issue is now politicized to the point where significant progress is impossible. Promoting American manufacturing should not be a political issue. There's something I can get behind. Angry people have a positive feedback loop, so if we all collectively talked about Monads there'd be fewer problems.

sorokod 9y ago
"Promoting American manufacturing should not be a political issue." Do you mean U.S. manufacturing? Does U.S. wishes to trade with other nations?
sanderjd 9y ago
Promoting the interests of your own country over those of others is fundamentally political. Perhaps you think it should not be partisan? Otherwise, this is just wrong - trade policy is diplomacy and diplomacy is, always has been, always will be, and must be, political.

adventist 9y ago

What is the point in quitting? You just went from some voice to zero. This is just virtue-signaling and is non-productive.

agildehaus 9y ago
Having a voice is pointless if the person you're speaking to has no intention of listening.
- zimpenfish 9y ago
  And that's why the "Why won't people just TALK to the Nazis?" nonsense is nonsense.
andyjohnson0 9y ago
He's still the CEO of a $60billion corporation. Hardly voiceless.
dragonwriter 9y ago
> What is the point in quitting? You just went from some voice to zero. People—especially in billionaire CEOs—have a voice whether or not they serve on one of Trump's showpiece councils. > This is just virtue-signaling Virtue-signalling is a technique to magnify trust from and thereby influence over the signalled group; it is often, for that reason, a mechanism to magnify one's political voice. So, the complaint that it is virtue-signalling actually contradicts the complaint that it nullifies the actor's voice.

madengr 9y ago

Why, because Trump criticized the leftists thugs (ANTIFA, BLM) in addition to the neo-nazis?

nl 9y ago
Yes. The leftist thugs deserve criticism, and they should be prosecuted when they cause property damage or harm people. But they weren't the problem at Charlottesville. There, Nazis, the KKK and other White Supremacists marched to prove that their race was better than others. That deserves to be condemned in itself. They also ended up killing someone in what appears to be a deliberate act.
- madengr 9y ago
  The nazis had the demonstration permit (not that one should be needed). BOTH sides were the problem, because BOTH sides were engaging in violence. That's exactly what Trump said. This country isn't a safe space; seems many want it like that.
  - throwawaywonk 9y ago
    The Nazis showed up with guns, shields, and clubs. Don't pretend like they weren't prepared for urban warfare. Have you told your friends and family that you might be a white nationalist?
    - andriesm 9y ago
      Why are you getting so personal in attacking this dude? One can support a Nazi's right to free speech even while being 100 percent against Nazis or Nazism.
      - Angostura 9y ago
        OP was asserting equivalence between the two groups in terms of violence. The poster you are responding to pointed out that one of the groups came tooled up. This is not a free speech issue.

akerro 9y ago

> my abhorrence at the recent hate-spawned violence in Charlottesville, and earlier today I called on all leaders to condemn the white supremacists Does he know that the victim of violence was actually the attacker and he attacked walking protesters with baseball bat? https://streamable.com/svxcr https://streamable.com/svxcr

jacquesm 9y ago
Do you know that he's not talking about that incident but about the murder of Heather Heyer and the wounding of 10's of others?
pknopf 9y ago
Nobody is talking about him.

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technological 9y ago

Isn't being on council would provide us like 0.9% of chance he would listen rather having no correct person on the council ?

jameskegel 9y ago

Nothing productive is happening in these comments. Admin should intervene.

whipoodle 9y ago
I saw quite a few people condemning white supremacists. Seems good to me!
andriesm 9y ago
I think admins should intervene as a VERY LAST OPTION, and only delete truly obnoxious posts or distractimg flame wars. If people are insulting or use foul language, sure, but if they express bad ideas, that is an opportunity to show what is wrong with it, and if you keep your tone respectful when responding it is less likely to devolve. Treat people with curtousy even if you think the ideas themselves don't deserve it. Goodwill goes a long way
superobserver 9y ago
Lots of comments condemning Trump's condemnation of (the Nazi collaborator) Soros funded Antifa & BLM and white supremacists. I wonder who is responsible for the curiously pseudo-liberal turn in the comments here. Anyway, Merk, Intel, and so on exemplify all that is wrong with the fringe in politics that seeks to use violence as a means to an end. Anyone with any sense can see this for what it is, however, and no one is buying the mainstream narrative - the MSM and these corporate fascists are only painting a larger target on themselves.
- RandVal30142 9y ago
  ... what?
  - superobserver 9y ago
    TL;DR: Intel is going down and AMD is going up.

JustSomeNobody 9y ago

This position probably had very little political influence. However, why not stay and use whatever influence you may have to make a difference? Is it just not possible anymore to stay and disagree?

MBCook 9y ago
I suspect resigning, especially if it gives headlines, gives more political influence that they'd have had just staying on the board. > Is it just not possible anymore to stay and disagree? Many have done that so far in the administration. At a certain point it becomes untenable to stay and give any appearance of support/cooperation.
gwbas1c 9y ago
That's probably what people thought when they joined. (I certainly would joined if I was in the same position.) Continually appeasing someone irrational isn't going to fix the underlying problems specific to Trump.
beager 9y ago
I think people are leaving because the position has no political influence, and the cost of taking PR shrapnel from a disastrous Trump presidency is too high. These business leaders can be assumed to be in it for self-aggrandizing reasons, so if their profiles as business leaders don't increase from this council, and if Trump is toxic to any of their future political designs, there's no better choice than to leave. I don't think people choose to leave these councils particularly because of an ideological red line. If the spoils were good they'd find a way to rationalize it. Such is all of business and politics.

Dirlewanger 9y ago

It's like a lose-lose. Stay on the council, you ostensibly are committed to keeping manufacturing jobs in the US, but could be seen as complicit of Trump. Leave, and you're making a stand against Trump...while at the same time leaving one of the few good things he has going for him. And let's be honest, without some sort of external coercion, these companies aren't going to stay in the US.

Angostura 9y ago
You say that's leaving is problematic, but is there evidence that these councils have any influence in shaping policy? They look more like ego-boosts for the president: 'I've collected these guys'
drzaiusapelord 9y ago
>And let's be honest, without some sort of external coercion, these companies aren't going to stay in the US. Chip fabs are already overseas and there's zero practical approaches to bring them here. President "Job Creator" can't bring these jobs here, period. Intel's various management, engineering, marketing, etc jobs aren't going anywhere.
- 11thEarlOfMar 9y ago
  I guess you missed this. Intel announced in Feb this year that they are spending $7B in Arizona to build a chip fab: https://www.wsj.com/articles/intel-corp-announces-7-billion-investment-in-arizona-plant-1486578589 https://www.wsj.com/articles/intel-corp-announces-7-billion-...
  - drzaiusapelord 9y ago
    Wonderful, but its the state or Arizona taking the tax and regulatory hit to build that factory, which compliments the two existing ones Intel has. President Trump's credit for this deal is the usual meaningless ass-kissing presidents get, but ultimately its Arizona that made that happen the same way Arizona made the previous plants happen. Also this it to finish a factory thats been in the building stages during the Obama administration. >In fact, the factory, which was originally announced back in 2011 and largely completed by 2014 was put on hold not because of regulatory burden, but because of declining PC sales Being on the manufacturing council doesn't affect this nor did it make it happen. The council as a "jobs creator" is laughable especially when we're talking about an Obama-era factory. https://www.engadget.com/2017/02/08/intel-arizona-factory-7-billion-3000-jobs-fab-42/ https://www.engadget.com/2017/02/08/intel-arizona-factory-7-...

gadders 9y ago

>> I resigned to call attention to the serious harm our divided political climate is causing to critical issues... .. by performing a further politically divisive act. I can't believe corporate virtue signalling has become a thing now.

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graycat 9y ago

I hate to get involved in politics here at HN, but maybe I can contribute a comment that really isn't politics but is business and news strategy? First, I try to stay up on the news, that is, the facts about what has been happening. Well, there's a lot of news on the Internet, so I can get a lot of input on some version of what has been happening. At this point, to me, the news doesn't make any sense. The news doesn't look like it is trying to give me facts about what has been happening. Or, the collection of supposed facts are self-contradictory, don't add up. And the news looks like something other than facts about what is happening. In particular, nearly all the supposed news looks like made-up, cooked-up, stirred-up, faked-up, gang-up, pile-on something other than facts about what is going on. Or the real fact about what is going on looks like the news has become some propaganda Goebbels style with "If you tell a lie often enough, then people will believe it.". Or, maybe easier to swallow, it looks like the news is expert in high school in-group gossip where they fight with gossip. Then, with enough bad gossip about person A, lots of other persons, e.g., some person B, even if they don't believe the gossip don't want to fight all the people who do or pretend to believe the gossip so go along with the gossip, the mob, and also reject A. So, the gossip is not true but has much the same effect as if it were true. I'm guessing that the news is really good at such high school in-group gossip. In high school I was a math nerd and no good at gossip! So, a question, then, is what the heck is going on in the news business, industry, etc.? Guesses: (1) The old news business is very short on revenue. Why? The Internet has cut off much of the revenue they got from (A) classified ads, (B) other ads, (C) revenue per copy on paper, (D) audience size. Also maybe significant is that maybe the local shopping mall stores no longer nearly as often run big ads in the newspapers because Amazon has such mall stores nearly out of business. So, such news operations, really short on money, have gone to whatever shocking, astounding, content they could find to try to increase their audience. There they have moved up a step: The stories and headlines are not just shocking but are planned as part of a larger narrative that the media outlet hopes will catch on, like big gossip, and yield more stories over the horizon, where the narrative helps the credibility of each story and each story adds to the narrative. So, in simple terms, they cook up an issue, make it a narrative, pile-on, gang-up, and push it, over and over. The issue is just made up and not true, but all the news media sees the opportunity right away so just piles on, goes with the narrative, and hopes for revenue. (2) Some of the advertisers and other people, companies, etc. are behind the scenes, have long been there, have big bucks, influence the content of the news, and cases of such influence go way back in the news business. In particular, now some of the issues in the news are really efforts for some of the people with big bucks to try to get their way, and there is big money involved. E.g., there was the recent Sharyl Attkisson remark that essentially everything in the news is put there, paid to be there, by someone out to influence your opinion. (3) The election of 11/8/2016 was in many ways darned close. In particular, the election for POTUS was so close that one candidate won the popular vote by some and the other candidate won the vote in the Electoral College by some. Well, for the news, take the Trump voters over here and the Hillary voters over there. The media wants a big audience. Soooo, they can go for the Hillary voters. There are still lots of them out there who still like Hillary, Obama, Schumer, Pelosi, etc. The news can fire up the Hillery voters and get audience, eyeballs, and ad revenue. And there are claims that the news rooms were 90+% for Hillary anyway. Then for the Trump voters, or just the Republicans, they are not uniform and tend to split. So, there are "never-Trump" Republicans. There's John McCain who seems to hate Trump going way back at least to an early Trump campaign speech in Phoenix that McCain quickly described as "firing up the crazies", and that spat has continued through the Iowa event a few days later to the present. And Paul Ryan, VP with Romney, is no Trump buddy. And Romney hates Trump. Soooo, the news can get more audience by playing on, playing up to parts of, the divisions of the Republicans. And likely could find more such motivations for the news. So, the news is no longer about giving me facts about what is going on. And it looks like the news is no longer interested in facts at all and, instead, is in some attention getting but also very bitter, center ring, mud wrestling, gossip, cage match. So, I've given up on nearly all the news -- their people are getting no attention, eyeballs, clicks, or ad revenue from me. I still want facts about what is happening. Well apparently for now the main fact is just that mud wrestling cage match. So, the OP was about the CEO of Intel resigning. Why? Maybe he was influenced by the gossip; maybe be believes a lot of the gossip; maybe he just wants to keep himself and Intel away from the mud wrestling. My guess is the last, he just wants to stay the heck away from the mud wrestling and away from the gossip. So, now we see, as in high school, that enough gossip can have a lot of influence with some actual, tangible results. Some people are really good at gossip and now are the center of a big gang-up and pile-on of news media business and maybe political, strategy. Curious. My view is that the news people are throwing away their credibility, but my guess is that the news is so short on revenue that they no longer care about their credibility and want to go with the gossip. Maybe, apparently, they believe that if with enough gossip they can actually get Trump out of the White House, then they will get back their credibility -- that even with total BS gossip they can make their claims have the practical effects that might happen if the gossip were true. IMHO, that self-fulfilling gossip strategy will flop: The media will shrink back to some Internet Web sites and YouTube video clips with only about 10% of the revenue they were long used to. Why? Well, really, the credibility of the news has long been a really bad and ugly joke. E.g., there's an old 1930s Andy Hardy movie, maybe still shown occasionally on TV, if we still have TV (do we?), where Andy is laughing at the credibility of newspapers -- the audience in the 1930s was fully prepared to laugh at the news. But going back to Thomas Jefferson, the credibility of the news was even worse, much worse, as in Jefferson's http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_speechs29.html http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_spe... with in part "Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knolege with the lies of the day." So, apparently since Jefferson, the news has been, really, just dramatic fiction, light entertainment. Well, really, a lot of people know this. Too bad the CEO of Intel didn't and, instead, took the gossip seriously.

pyroinferno 9y ago

Just wanted to add this, there is videos of the guy's car getting attacked right before he ran into that crowd of people (he was coming to a stop in front of the crowd). I think this case isn't that black and white.

snsr 9y ago
Absolutely incorrect. No brakes, and he sped up. This was an intentional attack. https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/896433978810519552/pu/pl/GLS8wE4EAwT0Aiuk.m3u8 https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/896433978810519552/pu/p...

Moshe_Silnorin 9y ago

Live by the sword, die by the sword.