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Juice may taste good, but unlike the fruit, it’s not healthy
- merraksh 9y agoThe article seems to point to these two as the main reasons why fruit juice is not as good as fruit: 1) when you make juice, you leave some of the most wholesome parts of the fruit behind. The skin on an apple, the seeds in raspberries and the membranes that hold orange segments together — they are all good for you. That is where most of the fiber, as well as many of the antioxidants, phytonutrients, vitamins and minerals are hiding. Fiber is good for your gut; it fills you up and slows the absorption of the sugars you eat, resulting in smaller spikes in insulin. 2) when you drink your calories instead of eating them, your brain doesn’t get the same “I’m full” signal that it does from solid food, even though you wind up consuming far more calories in the process. [edit: clarified text is quoted from the article]
- darkstar999 9y agoYes, the article thinks that as well.
- foo101 9y agoIf I put a whole apple with its skin or raspberry with its seed, or orange in a mixer-grinder, how or when exactly do I lose the skin, seeds or membranes during the process of making juice?
- elmerland 9y agoI think they are talking about the more common process of leaving out the pulp and only serving the liquid.
- Artemis2 9y agoWouldn't that be a smoothie? I'm curious about the difference with just eating the fruit.
- jpalomaki 9y agoI've heard some claims that blending would break up the fruit in too small many pieces leading to sugars that absorb more quickly - but I've never seen anything to back these claims. One difference is of course that when you eat the fruit, you chew it. This takes time and this may give some "food coming, hunger over" signal to the brain. Smoothies are so easy to drink that you might be getting way more fruits than you would normally eat.
- throwaway91111 9y agoWhat is the problem with rapid metabolism? Isn't that a good thing, so long as you have the varied nutrients to ensure the long tail of metabolism? E.g. A mixture of fructose, glucose, and more complex carbohydrates.
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- JustSomeNobody 9y agoHow does this compare to the lady in the very first part of the article who drank freshly squeezed juice? What you're doing is not "freshly squeezed".
- foo101 9y agoWhy what I am doing is not freshly squeezed? What is it then? Not a native English speaker, so trying to understand the difference.
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- patrickmn 9y agoNot to mention most juice is loaded with fructose.
- juicingman 9y agoWhat is the problem with fructose, do you think?
- pkulak 9y agoIt metabolises to fat in your liver if you consume more than a tiny portion of it.
- arcticbull 9y agoNot exactly, fructose metabolism does happen in the liver, turning fructose into DHAP and glyceraldehyde. These products are then further metabolized elsewhere in the body. The reason Fructose is used as a sugar substitute for people with blood sugar control problems is that due to the liver enzyme mediated metabolic pathway, you don't get the same instantaneous insulin spike as you do with glucose, which passes right through the liver and is metabolized directly in other tissues. However, consuming too much fructose can lead to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease which is much like cirrhosis. Pretty much tl;dr: all sugars are bad for you. They're better for you in fruits because they're trapped in plant fibers which slow down their absorption into the bloodstream allowing your body to spread out the load over time. Fiber also makes you feel full so you're less likely to go back for more. [] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fructose https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fructose
- juicingman 9y agoThis is, of course, complete nonsense, because humans are notoriously inefficient at the process you describe, de novo lipogenesis. You've been listening to that fructomaniac and dairy shill Robert Lustig, haven't you? Too bad!
- mamon 9y agoProblem is, that unlike glucose, consuming fructose does not make us feel full, so it is very easy to consume a lot of it.
- cocktailpeanuts 9y agoI agree with your point 2, but I disagree on point 1. > when you make juice, you leave some of the most wholesome parts of the fruit behind. The skin on an apple, the seeds in raspberries and the membranes that hold orange segments together Since people mean one of those smoothie-like juice which you make with a blender when they talk about "healthy juice", I'll talk about that. It's actually the opposite for me. I never eat apple skin, and never really like raspberry seeds, also no grape seeds. But when I put them all into a juicer and make a juice, i drink all that. Who drinks "squeezed juice" nowadays when they can make one with a juicer anyway?
- hn_throwaway_99 9y agoParent's comments are direct quotes from the article. > Who drinks "squeezed juice" nowadays when they can make one with a juicer anyway? Lots of people. And to clarify, a juicer refers to a device that leaves all the fiber behind, as opposed to smoothies from a blender.
- sullyj3 9y ago> your brain doesn’t get the same “I’m full” signal that it does from solid food Does that mean if I'm underweight, I should drink a lot of it?
- swombat 9y agoIf you want to put on fat, a diet rich in sugary drinks will do you wonders. Doesn't have to be expensive fruit juice either. Just drink lots of soft drinks every day, like, 3 litres or more, and you're setting yourself on a solid path to obesity. If you want to put on muscle you'll need to do better than that.
- syncopatience 9y agoThere's always GOMAD! https://stronglifts.com/gomad-milk-squats-gallon-gain-weight/ https://stronglifts.com/gomad-milk-squats-gallon-gain-weight...
- jksmith 9y agoHah remember it well when I was trying to get to 20 stone.
- louprado 9y agoYep, then spend 2 years in pain from the tendonitis and ligament damage. Those tissue have a lot less blood flow than muscle so they can't keep up with stupid fast growth. Good form to prevent injury takes practice too, years of it! But I suppose if you are taking steroids you might heal faster in the short term. Or just gain a pound a month and talk to a therapist about your body dysmorphia. A therapist is way cheaper than a surgeon. You'll also learn a lot about the limits of your body and learn a sustainable way to build strength and muscle.
- juicingman 9y agoSugar doesn't cause obesity in humans. This is a trite and dull myth which is easily disproved by researching "de novo lipogenesis" in humans. It only takes a few minutes to do, and it will unburden you from the propaganda you regurgitate.
- elmerland 9y agoI wonder how do cold pressed vegetable/fruit juices compare to plain fruit juice?
- voidmain0001 9y agoI don't have proof for the following, but I think the article should qualify the type of juice being consumed. I regularly make juice from raw vegetables (ginger, cucumber, carrots, beets, celery, parsley, cilantro, yams, kale, chard, brussel sprouts etc) and I suspect that the sugar content is less than fruit juice. Personally I don't understand why a person would juice a fruit when you can eat it whole? Fruits are so stupidly delicious when eaten whole. In the end, everything in moderation...
- brianwawok 9y ago> Personally I don't understand why a person would juice a fruit when you can eat it whole? I feel the same way about veggies. Raw veggies are awesome.
- mc32 9y agoSome need to be cooked to become edible, others at least fermented; granted many could be eaten raw, just not "all".
- voidmain0001 9y agoTouché. Excellent point.
- _acme 9y agoAnd I generally think most vegetables taste terrible. What's the point of going on about personal preferences here?
- Rapzid 9y agoWhen I used to juice I did a combo. I would eat some raw veggies while cutting them up for juicing. Then, I would eat a can of rinsed beans for protein(warmed with pepper). I've tried to eat the same quantity of raw veggies as what I would juice; LOTS OF WORK. Did I need that much juice? Was I getting the equiv or better of benefit from drinking juice as I would have eating entirely raw? IDK.
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- mandeepj 9y agoFirst they came after milk and now juice
- brianwawok 9y agoThe article actually mentions you should drink Milk but not Juice. I bet we can find a juice industry blog where they advise Juice but not Milk. Personally I avoid both for my kids. Juice is sugar water, and my kids are not calves, so they have no need for baby cow food.
- praneshp 9y agoWhat do they drink after they are past breast-feeding age? Or are you saying that milk is not all that necessary once you are not a baby anymore?
- brianwawok 9y ago99% water. Correct human babies past say 1 don't need 10 more years of cow milk to be healthy or have strong bones. Youngest is lactose intolerant so that makes it a bit easier. Can do almond milk but she doesn't love it.
- praneshp 9y agoOkay, thanks for answering!
- goda90 9y agoIt's more a push to whole foods. Before they thought fat was the issue, so skim milk wass better than whole. But now we know that the satiating effect of fat means that whole milk is a better choice. Whole fruit, or smoothies/full pulp juices are better than the highly filtered juice.
- dom0 9y agoIt's pretty much always the same story with "food science" and has been for the last few decades ever since it came up as a "discipline". "Don't eat that, it's totally bad ... [literally 5 minutes later] ... what? You really ought to eat that, it's so healthy and reduces X and Y risks". I have literally no idea why (a) this stuff is still perpetuated (b) people still take this seriosuly (c) in extension of (b), why it makes it somewhat regularly to the HN front page. It's junk science in it's finest form.
- itsmemattchung 9y agoAlthough I'm a proponent of smoothies over juices, I disagree with this article's stance. The article argues that drinking juice leads to diabetes: "She had always been overweight and had relatives with diabetes, but she believed she lived a healthy lifestyle. One of the habits that she identified as healthy was drinking freshly squeezed juice, which she saw as a virtuous food, every day. We asked her to stop drinking juice entirely. She left the office somewhat unconvinced, but after three months of cutting out the juice and making some changes to her diet, her diabetes was under control without the need for insulin." Read between the lines: "she had always been overweight ... she made some changes to her diet". I highly doubt that cutting out juice, and juice alone, resulted in the patient living a healthier lifestyle. This is misleading. Unless the patient was downing a gallon of juice every day, eliminating juices—from whole fruit, not processed concentrated crap—would not solve her diabetes.
- kpil 9y agoYes, and as a milk ad. Milk seems to be associated with various health issues too, and that it's important for children's growth is a dubious claim. But it's clear that drinking large quantities of liquids with a high sugar content (including milk) is not good for you.
- VLM 9y agoWhy? I'm not usually an authoritarian but the article seemed to provide a reasonable explanation why, and was written by three doctors working at a diabetes clinic, so "I don't think so" by anonymous internet dude is incredibly unconvincing. Although you provided absolutely no reason why, I could provide a reason that seems perfectly reasonable to a normie, in that its well known to normies that relatively minor arithmetic mistakes by diabetics can result in a under or overdose coma related to insulin intake. Therefore if being a serving off for a diabetic can result in passing out, it seems very reasonable that junk food like juice products could be the difference between insulin and no insulin required for someone near the border. If force feeding a serving of stuff (in this case juice, but it could just as well be candy bars) would make my diabetic coworker really sick, it seems extremely reasonable that cutting out that serving from someone almost as sick, would make their doctor happier. "Unless the patient was downing a gallon of juice every day" A gallon of OJ contains about 2K calories. Two large 16 oz glasses per day, perhaps one with breakfast and one as a snack, adds up to a quart or 500 calories per day. If you multiply that out, that kind of intake is a gain or loss of fifty or so pounds per year, no laughing matter. A gallon of juice per day would be insane, gain a couple pounds per week.
- tgb29 9y agoMisleading title -- Vegetable juice isn't bad like fruit juice. We should be targeting "sugar" and not "fruit" or "juice." Sugar from fruit isn't as bad as processed sugar, but from my experiences, too much fruit has the same negative effects as eating candy or sugar laced cereal. Fruit in moderation seems to be ok.
- tgb29 9y agoThe title was changed after my comment.
- Falling3 9y agoStrange... the author claims milk is necessary for healthy growth in young children (which is ridiculous in its own right) and links to a study on fruit consumption.
- darkstar999 9y agoHuman milk or cow's milk?
- Falling3 9y agoDoesn't specify, but in the context, cow's milk seems like a fair assumption.
- aries1980 9y agoA decent portion of the population of this planet can't digest lactose, yet they are just fine without raw milk.
- troycarlson 9y agoI see a lot of people consuming things like juice, whole grain breads, breakfast cereals, sugar-filled nut butters and yogurts, etc. claiming they made "healthy" choices. Of course everything is fine in moderation but a heaping pile of sugar and simple carbs with no lean proteins, good fats or greens is far from healthy. The solution would seem to be better nutrition education so that more people recognize the fat free yogurt they just felt good about eating had 25g of added sugar per serving.
- kyriakos 9y agoJust a note, whole grain bread is not the healthy choice just the healthier compared to the alternative of plain white bread.
- woofyman 9y agoWhole grain bread is very healthy.
- Network2020 9y agoDepends on who pays for the research. If it's research that claims fruit and veggies aren't healthy, I usually check to make sure the research wasn't paid for by either the big pharma or dairy lobbies.
- Gibbon1 9y agoI'm just about as suspicious of Big Hippy as I am of traditional food companies. As in why does this organic hippy bread taste like bready cake? Oh right the processed malt and honey. Worse used to be I ate rye bread before it was 'healthy'. Now most rye bread appears to be rye flavored bread with added sugars.
- unprepare 9y agoI've noticed real rye bread is sold under monickers like 'jewish rye' or 'chicago deli rye' - of course theres full seeded rye as well. But i agree, as more people try to eat healthier, the 'healthier' sections of the stores have started seeming a whole lot less healthy
- d--b 9y agoAnyone who has ever pressed an orange knows that you need at least 4 or 5 of them to make a whole glass. The amount of sugar is astonishing. I personnally water down my grapefruit five folds...
- aries1980 9y agoI don't get. If you drink 500ml of juice your intake will be ~250-300 kcals. Then what? On a non-active day I burn ~3000 kcals a day. If you hit the gym you can easily burn an additional 700 kcals per hour. To be fit, you need to be active, and to be active you need energy.
- zootam 9y agoone may naively think that drinking a glass of juice is 'healthier' than drinking a can of soda- when in fact the caloric values and sugar contents may be similar. that is the important thing to take away from this article IMO.
- throwaway91111 9y agoThe point they forgot to address is that "healthiness" isn't a one dimensional attribute. Edit: from the same goddamn newspaper: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/no-food-is-healthy-not-even-kale/2016/01/15/4a5c2d24-ba52-11e5-829c-26ffb874a18d_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/no-food-is-hea...
- js2 9y agoThis article primarily uses "juice" as a synonym for "commercial fruit juice." In addition, it's suggesting that it's not healthy/necessary to drink such commercial fruit juice daily. If you're consuming smoothies which use the entire fruit/veggie that you'd normally eat, and you're not adding sweeteners, and you don't have any health issues that might be related to excess calories in your diet, then no need to attack the article, it's not addressing you. But even then, note that the article still makes the point that people tend to over-consume when drinking their calories as opposed to chewing them. As an example of one of my smoothies that I make at home that I don't think this article would take issue with: 100g frozen blueberries, 1 medium (126g) banana, 14g raw almonds, 100g spinach, 14g whey protein powder, 6g unsweetened cocoa powder, 10g fish oil, water. This is about 440 calories (18g fat, 56g carbs, 22g protein) according to My Fitness Pal.
- CalChris 9y agoNo, the articles says The truth is that fruit juice, even if it is freshly pressed, 100 percent juice, is little more than sugar water.
- js2 9y agoFollowed just a few sentences later by the commercial juice industry is happy to take advantage of this idea [that juice is healthy]. If you want to attack the article, you can pull out bits and pieces of it to do so, but it's written by diabetes specialists who are responding to misconceptions about juice that they see in their clinic every day. The vast majority of their clients are drinking commercial fruit juice, not carefully measured made at home smoothies. I'd have appreciated reading this article years ago before I knew anything about nutrition and thought the smoothies I was drinking from Jamba Juice were good for me. They weren't and contributed to my being 40 lbs overweight at the time. So if this article gets a few people to reconsider (or even think about) their conceptions about juice, then bravo.
- sn9 9y agoPressed juice is still juice. Blended fruit retains everything that makes fruit good for you, including the fiber and pulp. Juice doesn't, effectively making it sugar water with some nutrition.
- m3kw9 9y agoPeople critique this piece as inaccurate but should instead should realize the way to attract attention is to get you first to read it. It then gets people talking. If you really get his point, he meant drinking juice that filters out the pulp isn't as good as filtered, and maybe harmful given that example he noted.
- devoply 9y agoMost juice is not even "juice". Some of it is concentrated juice which is then reconstituted sometimes with added sugar or fructose. Some of it is only partially juice, the rest being just water, sugar, and flavor. Some of it is freeze dried and then reflavored because freeze drying destroys its flavor, i.e. not from concentrate juice. Some of it is pasteurized which destroys the vitamin content. It is not just missing the pulp, it's also missing all the fiber that fruit has which is good for your digestive system and also keeps the glycemic load from spiking as it digests slowly. There is really nothing good about the concept of juice or juicing. Just eat fruits and vegetables like normal primates do.
- jpalomaki 9y agoOld article from Gizmodo talks about this: "Dirty Little Secret: Orange Juice Is Artificially Flavored to Taste Like Oranges" http://gizmodo.com/5825909/orange-juice-is-artificially-flavored-to-taste-like-oranges http://gizmodo.com/5825909/orange-juice-is-artificially-flav...
- hkmurakami 9y agoI eat a lot of fruit right now. About 4 oranges and 1-2 bananas a day. I'm actually worried that my sugar consumption is too high even from these natural sources. Anyone have some insight?
- ThrowawayP 9y ago(I am not a physician and this is not medical advice.) Recommended maximum intake of sugars per day: 37.5g (men) / 25g (women) Avg. sugars per banana: 14g Avg. sugars per orange: 9g 4 x 9g + (1 or 2) x 14g = 50-64g actual sugar intake per day from the fruits listed. That being said, each person's metabolism behaves differently so there's no specific action that you necessarily need to take. You may wish to ask your physician do the appropriate blood tests to check for pre-diabetes at every annual physical. http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/prediabetes/diagnosis-treatment/diagnosis/dxc-20270049 http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/prediabetes/di...
- throwaway8899g 9y agoIsn't that 37.5g figure for added sugars? I.e. Non-naturally occurring sugars in the food we eat.
- ThrowawayP 9y agoIt is technically for added sugars. However, this individual is consuming an unusually high amount of fruit, IMO, and sugar is sugar, no matter its source. One can't reasonably claim, for example, that drinking a glass of freshly squeezed orange juice isn't a source of sugar even if no additional sugar was explicitly mixed in. As I said, the blood tests will show whether or not there's actually a problem with his/her sugar intake.
- hkmurakami 9y agoThanks for the input! Hopefully this high intake is balanced by the fact that I'm training for a triathlon and marathon, but I'm due for a blood test anyways so I will have a medical facility check me out. :)
- return0 9y agoAre fruit even healthy, given sugar and all? (trying to justify my lack of affection to them)
- projectorlochsa 9y agoConcept of an ingredient being healthy does not exist in science. Is diet filled with fruits and vegetables healthy? Of course. Starchy foods with high nutrients per calories ratio have super high unattainable overdose amount. That's why they are safe. Eating 3000 kcal of bananas metabolises quite differently than 3000 kcal of glucose sugar.
- throwaway91111 9y agoFruit is certainly nutritious. You are healthy. If you eat too much fruit, you may not be healthy. In moderation, you will still probably be healthy (and happy; fruit is delicious).
- Stranger43 9y agoAre fruit actually healthy? It's one of those assumptions we make that everyone knows is true but do we have any real evidence that fruit consumed in quantities that where it have an real impact on our caloric intake provide "health benefits".
- kinkrtyavimoodh 9y agoVitamins, minerals, anti-oxidants, fiber (in some cases). But yes, barring fiber, these are all micronutrients, not macronutrients.
- mynameishere 9y agoJust looking at the nutrition label, I doubt anyone would think that. An apple is basically sugar plus a bit of fiber. A chocolate bar is probably healthier (just for balancing out the mix with fat and protein) except for the fact that people rarely binge on apples.
- vitro 9y agoWhy not make a smoothie which leaves all the body of the fruit inside the drink. Add a bit of water and nuts perhaps and there you go.
- uzoodoo 9y agoIt's in the article... > Finally, when you drink your calories instead of eating them, your brain doesn’t get the same “I’m full” signal that it does from solid food, even though you wind up consuming far more calories in the process. […] on the day they ate the apple, they ate fewer calories at the meal than if they consumed the same number of calories from applesauce or apple juice. The chewing really counts.
- tkyjonathan 9y agoThis article is largely non-sense and not scientific at all. Here we go again with the fruit = sugar = evil, when I have yet to see an overweight person that eats too much fruit. There are communities of people called fruitarians that only eat raw fruit and vegetables and are largely very healthy. And yes.. they juice. The problem with diabetes is that the cells of the body have too much saturated fat which blocks in the insulin receptors.
- _pmf_ 9y agoBezo's Washington Post is an absolutely worthless rag. I have no idea why this article is here. Should we expect Cosmopolitan's Brazilian Waxing Tips here soon?
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- scarlac 9y agoForgive me, but saying "enzymes", "jumpstart", and "catalyst" of unnamed body functions triggers my bullshit filter. Could you elaborate on what body functions need jumpstarting or provide a link?
- juicingman 9y agoNonsense. I drink a liter of freshly squeezed juice every morning. Mind you, not store bought juice; fresh, organic fruit juiced on the spot. I've done this for several years and in the best health of my life. I balance the juice with a whole foods, plant based diet. The article doesn't actually cite a reason why fruit juice is bad. They just keep repeating diabetes and obesity are a problem, but neither is caused by sugar consumption. Even diabetes.org doesn't list sugar as a causal factor. It simply is a myth.
- _acme 9y agoI think your personal experience is called an anecdote, not data.
- juicingman 9y agoWhey protein literally grows cancer. What are you doing? Stop the stupid behavior. Seriously. You're not a baby cow, stop consuming baby cow food.
- _acme 9y agoDo you have a source for this insane claim?
- striking 9y agoEven if whey protein grew cancer (which is a pretty dubious claim), you could say the same thing about the sun. "Stop going outside. The sun literally grows cancer. Are you a baby cow?"
- juicingman 9y agoThat's a ridiculous strawman argument and you know it. That dairy is a possible carcinogen is well known in medical literature.
- js2 9y agoFun fact: protein and fats are essential to your diet. Carbohydrates are optional. In any case, I'm a runner and it is just one of my sources of protein, typically after exercise. Interactions with Cancer Metabolism: https://examine.com/supplements/whey-protein/#summary10 https://examine.com/supplements/whey-protein/#summary10 Comparison to Other Protein Sources: https://examine.com/supplements/whey-protein/#summary15 https://examine.com/supplements/whey-protein/#summary15
- juicingman 9y agoAnother fun fact, protein and fats are already in whole plant foods; you don't need to literally breastfeed off another animal as a human adult. Oh, and glucose is the only power source for the brain, even fat and protein gets broken down into what you can easily get from "carbs". Another fun fact, examine.com is a biased bs source. Take a look at nutritionfacts.org sometime.
- juicingman 9y agoA frugivore human asking if fruit is healthy. What a sad, pathetic reflection of how brainwashed our society has become.
- _acme 9y agoWhat is a frugivore?
- VLM 9y agoWe're a species of primate where evolution pushed a lot of our innards to optimize to eat fruit. We've got the binocular vision and dexterity to climb trees and identify and harvest and prep fruits. Our livers are tolerant of relatively ridiculous intake levels of fructose and ethanol (by non-frugivore standards). Our ancestors were so successful at exploiting fruit as a food source that unlike non-frugivores (hand wavy mostly) our bodies don't try to generate our own vitamin-C nor do we try to store it, we just pee it out because surely we'll get a meal of vit-C fruit tomorrow, which leads to scurvy in humans that don't get fruits or supplemental sources. Non-frugivores are somewhat more frugal (ugh) with bodily vitamin C stores. Our digestive tract is long enough to digest fruits reasonably effectively but not long enough for cellulose sources (like how cows can graze), much longer than we need to solely eat meat. Our taste receptors are calibrated to sugary fruit juice which in 21st century makes us really fat when provided with unlimited sources of HFCS. Pre-historic fruit consumption is pretty much baked into the cake. Our ancestors were pretty much frugivores, although its a spectrum, there's not a binary yes/no like adult lactose metabolism for example. So being a spectrum you can make a strong argument for "omnivore with a heavy addition of fruit" or similar wishy washyness. I'm trying and failing to think of a class of omnivore that doesn't eat fruit, solely does bbq chicken breast on caesars salad type of thing... There's probably some class of omnivore that doesn't eat fruit, but maybe not and its a reasonable argument that the concept of omnivore is not really meat+plant but more like meat+fruit. There are likely scavengers that can live off meat and veg-only although not preferentially...
- skybrian 9y agoIt shows basic scientific curiosity. If you can say something substantial in reply, say so. Otherwise, putting people down for asking questions is rude.
- mikenyc 9y agoWe've successfully convinced our two-year-old that unsweetened, carbonated water is "juice". She frequently goes to restaurants and is very excited to get "juice" from the bar, and considers it a special treat. Eventually this will surely fail when her friends can explain reality. But until then it's working great to avoid massive loads of sugar in her early years.
- retox 9y agoSounds like an introductionary paragraph from the biography of a serial killer. Good job, daddy. On HN lying to your children is a good thing.
- redipyni 9y agoNot to hyperbolize like the other commentor, but I was told harmless little lies like that as a child myself. You eventually learn otherwise, but not before embarrassing yourself in front of your peers and feeling betrayed. Different children will react differently, of course.
- moopling 9y agoPossibly slightly different, but my dad used to amuse himself by trying to convince me of whatever nonsense poped into his head at that moment. My older siblings, who had had the same treatment earlier, joined in and would verify anything he would say. Overall I found it quite harmless, and it did instil a healthy skepticism of whatever people said.
- lkrubner 9y agoA large distinction needs to be made between juice you drink within an hour of the fruit being crushed, versus drinking stuff a few months later, stuff that's been preserved via various bizarre tricks to keep it safe from oxygen. Without intervention, the oxygen in the air will break down most of the healthy stuff within an hour or two. If you juice carrots and drink it immediately, there are benefits. What you see in the USA, with the stuff called "orange juice" often makes health claims that should be disallowed. "All natural" and "contains Vitamin C" are highly misleading, considering the actual process that the juice is put through, so it can survive for months on the shelf in some store.
- parrellel 9y agoI continue to be impressed by the pushback by the corn industry on HFC. Quick, someone prove fruits and vegetables are poison! I'm not saying that there isn't something to what they're saying, but the timing is... shall we say... convenient.
- andrewguenther 9y agoThey're not telling you to run and eat HFC products. They're just saying that eating a whole fruit is healthier than just the juice. And that's something nutritionists have been saying for the last decade or more.
- sriram_malhar 9y agoMy 95 year old (!) yoga teacher used to say, "eat liquid, drink solid" in his native tongue. It meant that when you ingest something a liquid like soup or juice, let it not rush down the throat; it should spend a nice chunk of time in the mouth, like a solid. In other words, "eat it". Likewise, when you have something solid, chew it until it "liquefies".
- mifreewil 9y agoAn interesting analogy to think of is eating fruit naturally is like chewing coca leaves. Drinking fruit juice would be like snorting cocaine.
- exabrial 9y ago"juice" may be bad (filtered water, flavoring from cologne makers, syrup), but what about whole blended fruits?
- sebleon 9y agoTldr; eat fruit and smoothies, don't drink juice "Pulp" left behind during juicing contains the most wholesome parts of fruits, which prevent glucose spikes and contain most micronutrients
- throwaway91111 9y agoPeople tossing around the word "healthy" like it's a well-grounded term. Obviously, juice is full of vitamins and micronutrients. It's dense as hell. It's an expressway to diabetes if you drink lots of it. But damn if it isn't an effective cure for scurvy, low blood sugar, fainting, etc. I don't disagree with the article; however, the moralizing of health is absolutely moronic. There aren't good foods and bad foods; there is only nutrition and the decisions you make. Edit: from the same goddamn newspaper: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/no-food-is-healthy-not-even-kale/2016/01/15/4a5c2d24-ba52-11e5-829c-26ffb874a18d_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/no-food-is-hea...
- Network2020 9y agoI don't even have to check to know that this "research" was funded by one of three groups... 1. The Corn Industry because they want us to believe that high-fructose corn syrup is just as healthy as natural fruit sugars 2. The Dairy industry because they want us to believe drinking fresh juice is just as bad as drinking anything else 3. Big Pharma because they don't make money on healthy people. They need us to keep buying prescription drugs so that they remain profitable.
- pombrand 9y agoThe realnews headline: "Juice in excess is not healthy. Same goes for fruit." Guess that wouldn't get many clicks. As long as you don't consume too many calories or spike your insulin too high by drinking large quantities at once, juice can be healthy. The phytonutrients and vit c will prevent the uric acid serum spike you get from fructose, soft drinks have also been proven not to increase c reactive protein. Although with less fiber it'll always be inferior to eating (or drinking) whole fruits.