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That you need to do this, is frankly disturbing. Maybe I am a linux hermit, but you guys really abide this shit? I can't fathom a tech savvy person giving this
by Neliquat 10y ago
That you need to do this, is frankly disturbing.
Maybe I am a linux hermit, but you guys really abide this shit? I can't fathom a tech savvy person giving this kind of software a pass anymore. I know, lock in, standards, etc. But damn.
- paulddraper 10y agoLook how much we use the web nowadays. Our shit-abiding tolerance is higher than you might think.
- flukus 10y agoI've been going the other way lately, back to much faster desktop apps for everything.
- tracker1 10y agoThen there's the desktopified apps (spotify, slack, even VS Code), which work surprisingly well. Of course when React Native desktop environments stabilize, that may become a much more preferred target.
- flukus 10y agoI avoid electron apps like the plague too. Reactive native I'm more open minded about, but I'll reserve judgment until I see how well the obey things like themeing.
- tracker1 10y agoI don't mind the electron apps... also, am mostly okay seeing material-ui like designs in applications even when non-native... React Native should be native to the environment, though uncertain as to how theme friendly, I haven't played with it... for my needs Cordova and Electron have been good enough so far. But I can see how they wouldn't be the preference.
- StavrosK 10y agoAs a web developer, I feel the same way. The web has really devolved into layers and layers of crap.
- JensRex 10y agoAin't that the truth. It's been about 10 years or so since I did any web development. And yesterday we had a thread here about CSS minifying, and one of the CSS files were ~250KB. What the hell kind of abominations are people making that need 250KB of CSS?
- flukus 10y ago10 years ago we had CSS minification, primarily to reduce the number of web requests. As a .net developer it was simple, you point it at your css and it combined and compressed it for you. Now the minifying is all about compiling to css, you have to run a node server to do it and the results are still more bloated than 10 years ago. Web development went off the deep end.
- tracker1 10y agoThe results are from including all of bootstrap, even though you only use 3 parts, plus a theme that doesn't do a custom build, that overrides it all, then a couple other components with their own huge CSS, even though you're only using 1. Without being judicious, it's easy enough to see happen. Not to mention a few resource embeds to shave load time (fonts, svg, images, etc).
- wtbob 10y agoAre there ads on the web? I've not noticed … uBlock Origin is a wonderful thing!
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- altrego99 10y agoThe only reason I use Windows is that still most tripple A games need DirectX to run.
- licked 10y agoThe only reason AAA games target Windows is because you rely on Windows for that. It's a very stable economic arrangement /s.
- paulddraper 10y agoAnd yet somehow the Innovator's Dilemma exists.
- tracker1 10y agoGiven how not great Steam's Linux push worked out, it's not entirely surprising it stays the way it has... for now.
- edoceo 10y agoYes. I want Steam on Linux to work as well.
- Neliquat 10y agoIt is working. I sure didn't expect platform parity when they announced it, and yet, I don't feel like a 2nd class citizen anymore. Linux games are now cross platform, not terrible ports. And the 3 largest game engines now compile to linux out of the box (more or less). The support burden has lessened as well. It is great all around.
- tracker1 10y agoOh, I didn't mean to imply that it didn't work, or there were shortcomings in the platform... only that sales haven't been great (think Steambox, etc).
- Drumlin 10y ago> Maybe I am a linux hermit, but you guys really abide this shit? Didn't Ubuntu do something like this with search in the past? These companies love to cream off whatever extra income they can get. Turning operating systems into services, with their increasing reliance on expensive cloud data centers is only going to make the problem worse.
- bluejekyll 10y agoCanonical is a for profit company that ships a distribution of Linux. Linux has many very free alternatives. Ubuntu has a very nice user experience, and that's why people choose to use it. Edit: corrected the company name!
- popinman322 10y agoSorry to nitpick here, but... Ubuntu is a linux distribution; Canonical is the company that maintains, serves, ships, and provides support for Ubuntu. I feel like you didn't make that distinction clear in your comment.
- Kerrick 10y agoTo nitpick even more, Ubuntu is a GNU/Linux distribution.
- bluejekyll 10y agoYou're of course correct, I updated my comment.
- laumars 10y agoUbuntu did and got heavily criticised for it by the wider community. So Canonical reversed their decision on opt-out in-OS ads. For what it's worth, it's easier to switch between Linux distributions than it is to switch from Windows to something else. Ubuntu is only one of literally thousands of desktop Linux's - many of which are forks / reskins of Debian or Ubuntu to begin with, so it was pretty trivial for users to dump Ubuntu in favour of an ad-free Linux. So Canonical didn't really have much choice other than to listen to the complaints.
- rjbwork 10y agoI set a group policy when i first installed it over a year ago to disable all telemetry and advertising. I have never once seen any of these big stories people keep posting about Win10.
- senectus1 10y agoit gets worse. In the enterprise space you used to buy "Software assurance" to make sure you were always licenced to have the latest version. NOW, with Win10, Software assurance is the reverse. you have to PAY EXTRA to make sure that your win10 version DOESNT get new feature updates. To keep it at certain level. (ie prior to when they started pumping it full of adverts). To me thats a stand-over tactic... "Nice OS you got there... it'd be a shame if something was to 'Appen to it..."
- chrisper 10y agoMicrosoft also changed the licensing for the server OS to per core rather than per CPU. Talk about milking the cow even more!
- flukus 10y agoIn all fairness, with the modern state of security I think this is something enterprise will have to get used to.
- Already__Taken 10y agoIf you look at the XP legacy problem that makes sense these days. If you want MS to support your snowflake of a system then that costs money.
- eddieroger 10y agoAre you calling XP a snowflake? One of the most popular releases of Windows? There's nothing wrong with enterprises saying they wanted to stay on a version of Windows, just like there's nothing wrong with Microsoft saying they no longer want to support it, but that hardly makes XP a snowflake. Microsoft can certainly try to flip pricing to earn a profit, but they have to understand that it comes at the risk of alienating users.
- scott_karana 10y agoAt some point, they probably decided it's worth the payoff to alienate users who are using a desktop OS from 2001 ;-)
- Waterluvian 10y agoEvery time I install Ubuntu I have to remove amazon links from my dock. So I dunno how niche the other side of, "you guys" is, but it's not simply Linux vs. Windows.
- malikNF 10y agoPlease don't confuse "Ubuntu" with "Linux". What you are saying is something like "Fire is bad because it burns people". Ubuntu might be the most popular linux distro, but there's so many other options out there. Take a look at https://distrowatch.com/ https://distrowatch.com/ there's basically a distribution for any type of usecase you might imagine. Hell if you can't find a distribution to suit your needs nothings stopping you from starting your own.
- Waterluvian 10y agoPeople can't invoke the name "Linux" and exclude Ubuntu when it suits their narrative. So what I said is perfectly reasonable.
- tokenizerrr 10y agoOf course you can. Why do you think they can't? Just because a company is shipping a Linux distribution which has some less than pleasant defaults that suddenly taints all of Linux? If I start selling beer with piss in it, does suddenly all beer taste like piss or just the one I'm selling?
- hehheh 10y agoYou (and malikNF) are acting like Waterluvian was saying all Linux is bad, when that couldn't be further from the truth. Waterluvian is saying that simply choosing to switch to Linux doesn't automatically mean you'll get away from bullshit.
- kortex 10y agoAll poodles are dogs, not all dogs are poodles. Using 'dogs' and 'poodles' interchangeably subconsciously implies that all/most dogs are poodles. I think the big difference here is the relative mindshare of Windows in the Windows ecosystem (100%) vs the share of Ubuntu in the Linux ecosystem (popular and dominiant, but not 100%). A very small portion of the Linux community made the decision to put the launcher ads in, a large chunk of the community made a very loud fuss, and the feature was removed.
- dorian-graph 10y agoI imagine we'll see an increase of these stories from the apparent mass exodus from macOS to Windows.
- TheRealDunkirk 10y agoI ran Linux for 19 years, leaving for macOS a few years ago, but I work for a boss who LOVES Microsoft. He's awesome. Fairly technical (but out of date), awesome at corporate politics, cares about his employees: all-around great guy. But Microsoft can do no wrong in his eyes. He still has a Windows phone and watch, when he knows the platform has been effectively dead for over a year or more. I think what it boils down to is that he's abdicated his technical thinking to Microsoft because he can't keep up with it any more. When Microsoft was at it's 90's peak, he concluded that he could snuggle into their product-bosom, and ride out the rest of his career on his knowledge of Visual Basic. He wasn't necessarily wrong, but it's a decision that he doesn't have the bandwidth to reevaluate now, as his career is centered around managing. So he just ignores all of these kinds of articles. I guess that's one approach. People at much higher levels in large companies are in much the same boat. They make purchasing decisions based on Microsoft doing no wrong, and give them the capital to ignore feedback from the public sector. And that's why we are where we are. At least, that's the way I think it works.
- SippinLean 10y agoI unchecked some checkbox at install and have never seen this on my windows boxes. I can see a philosophical opposition to this stuff, but practically it doesn't affect me at all.