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AMD’s $499 Ryzen 7 1800X Beats $1700 i7 6950X with 1-Click OC on Air Cooling
- kchoudhu 10y agoThat TDP is unreal. 95 Watts? Looks like AMD has made a real performance breakthrough here. When is general availability expected?
- Veratyr 10y agoIt's a hard launch on March 2. I believe preorders are already sold out though.
- brianwawok 10y agoTDP would be for stock clock, but still that is very good.
- my123 10y agoAnd 65W for the Ryzen 7 1700, which is an absolute feat for 8 cores
- frou_dh 10y agoWould the 1700X and 1800X also be 65W if they were downclocked to 3GHz, or is the 1700 fundamentally different from them?
- my123 10y agoThey will also be 65W in that case, they are made from the same dies
- jsheard 10y agoThat depends, the binning process means that products using the same die layout can have different characteristics. We don't yet know to what extent Ryzen is binned but here's a possibility: the 65W 1700 is made from cherry-picked dies that tolerate especially low voltages, the premium 1800X is made from dies that tolerate especially high clocks, and the 1700X is made from leftovers that didn't qualify for either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_binning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_binning
- tracker1 10y agoThat's caught my eye as well... will be interested in seeing how the 1700 compared to my current i7-4790k, as I'd like to stay/get lower on the power usage... though 95w wouldn't be too far off if I can get what I want out of it.
- haswell 10y agoI won't be replacing my i7 6800K build any time soon, but I'm very happy to see AMD looking competitive again. There hasn't been much excitement about the recent generations of i7 for good reason, and hopefully this forces them to start pushing the envelope again.
- nextos 10y agoExactly. Ridiculous Intel pricing and artificial limitations were a consequence of de facto monopoly. I absolutely hate how they cap maximum RAM on consumer machines, so that you need to pony up for a Xeon workstation if you need more than 64 GB.
- jeff_vader 10y ago64gb workstation ought to be enough for anybody. Jokes aside, what do you do if you are interested in >64gb workstations?
- c2h5oh 10y agoSome examples that can easily push you beyond 64 GB: - high resolution photo editing: when you start with a 80 mpix / 48 bit photo from a medium format camera pushing beyond 16 GB requires only a couple layers and a couple undo steps being available - high resolution video processing. 1 second of uncompressed 4k 60fps video is almost 1.4GB - very large application compilation: building Android requires 16GB of RAM/swap - I'm sure there are apps that push that requirement even further - development environment for a complex system that requires you to run dozens of VMs if you want all components running locally (I've had to run 2 VMs with 12GB requirements each once)
- mozumder 10y agoIf you can afford a $30,000 medium format camera, you can afford the Xeon workstation it usually needs. The kind of person that work with those systems would pay $6,000 for an umbrella that doesn't even have any electronics in it: https://www.adorama.com/bcb3355203.html?gclid=CLKvmd2erNICFYWEswodIDUCJQ https://www.adorama.com/bcb3355203.html?gclid=CLKvmd2erNICFY... Absolutely no one that owns one of these professional cameras uses them with non-Xeon CPUs. Really the only use for greater than 64Gb for non-Xeon CPUs would be student animation or machine-learning projects.
- SG- 10y agoThis article doesn't actually list any benchmarks and the link/URL is totally broken for the "Ryzen offers even better single-threaded performance per clock than Intel’s Kaby Lake." - http://single-threaded/ http://single-threaded/
- my123 10y agoYes, customer Ryzen CPUs support ECC.
- clarry 10y agoUnfortunately even the most expensive ASUS board I could find at the time I pre-ordered my Ryzen claims no support for ECC: https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-CROSSHAIR-VI-HERO/specifications/ https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-CROSSHAIR-VI-HERO/s... AMD Ryzen™ Processors 4 x DIMM, Max. 64GB, DDR4 3200(O.C.)/2933(O.C.)/2666/2400/2133 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory I'm guessing the demand isn't there and won't be there unless some company can market it as some new gimmick with more mainstream appeal.
- seanp2k2 10y agoI pre-ordered 1800x + the Asus TOTL mobo for Ryzen. It doesn't support ECC: https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-CROSSHAIR-VI-HERO/specifications/ https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-CROSSHAIR-VI-HERO/s... Memory AMD Ryzen™ Processors 4 x DIMM, Max. 64GB, DDR4 3200(O.C.)/2933(O.C.)/2666/2400/2133 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory * AMD 7th Generation A-series/Athlon™ Processors 4 x DIMM, Max. 64GB, DDR4 2400/2133 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory * Dual Channel Memory Architecture Refer to www.asus.com for the Memory QVL (Qualified Vendors Lists). AFAIK, Ryzen won't support ECC, sadly.
- clarry 10y agoHmm, the cheaper ASUS boards are listed as supporting ECC, according to this page: http://geizhals.eu/?cmp=1582178&cmp=1582183&cmp=1582185&cmp=1582881 http://geizhals.eu/?cmp=1582178&cmp=1582183&cmp=1582185&cmp=...
- jychang 10y agoJust a reminder that wccftech.com is notoriously pro-AMD. I would caution against taking their word as proof. I'm not an AMD hater (actually own AMD stock), just cautious.
- c2h5oh 10y agoIt's more of a rumor/gossip tech site with a reputation for immediately publishing almost anything you could put a click-baity title on. As a result it does look pro-AMD, because there is significantly more hype (the infamous hype train) in AMD community (just compare /r/amd and /r/nvidia on Reddit). I can't say if it's something that emerged organically in those communities and embraced by corporate or the other way round.
- homero 10y agoAlso https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/ https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/
- revelation 10y agoAnd of course https://www.reddit.com/r/AyyMD/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AyyMD/ Right now the hot topic is this gem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjCVaMYdjgo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjCVaMYdjgo
- jdietrich 10y agoTechies love a hype train, but Ryzen is genuinely important. Intel have had a near-total monopoly on high-performance CPUs for many years. This has led to a dismal stagnation in the CPU market. If you bought an i7-2600k six years ago, you have little reason to upgrade - an i7-7700k is only about 30% faster in most workloads. If Ryzen is anywhere near as good as the benchmarks suggest, then Intel have got a lot of work to do. They'll need massive performance increases, huge price cuts or both to remain relevant. That's good news for everyone except Intel.
- Zekio 10y agoI can't wait to see the result this will have on the CPU market especially with the rest of their CPU line up coming later this year
- seanp2k2 10y agoIntel could just drop their prices, but it looks like Intel will [also] rush out their 8th-gen stuff this year, even though it's still on 14mm: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/02/intel-coffee-lake-14nm-release-date/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/02/intel-coffee-lake-14...
- agumonkey 10y agoIt will be a very interesting match to witness. Intel will have to act under pressure while saying goodbye to a huge sum of money.
- seanp2k2 10y agoJust saw this, looks like Intel is already dropping prices significantly: http://wccftech.com/intel-amd-price-war-ryzen-processors/ http://wccftech.com/intel-amd-price-war-ryzen-processors/ If you were on the verge of getting a 7700k or something, it looks like now is the time to buy (or give Ryzen a shot!). Personally I'm willing to pay a bit more to give Ryzen a chance, because hopefully it will lead to sustained competition in this space again. A $500 8-core CPU is more than I need for gaming right now, but given that my 2500k has been great for 6 years, I don't have a problem spending $2k on a PC every 4-6 years for really great performance.
- paulmd 10y ago> Just saw this, looks like Intel is already dropping prices significantly: http://wccftech.com/intel-amd-price-war-ryzen-processors/ http://wccftech.com/intel-amd-price-war-ryzen-processors/ Those are Microcenter's normal prices - they have always sold Intel processors significantly under normal pricing as a loss-leader (not sure if it's an actual loss). They will also knock another $30 off if you buy a motherboard at the same time. https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/5cvz4z/cpu_intel_i7_6700k_40_ghz_25999_2999940/ https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/5cvz4z/cpu_i... For example, they have been running 6700Ks for $260-280 since before Christmas. They sold Kaby Lake 7700Ks for $330 once those launched, now they're down to $300. This is just the normal Microcenter pricing life-cycle. But, that's the kind of "journalism" you come to expect from WCCFTech. They will literally publish any random garbage someone writes up.
- vegabook 10y agoIf the 32 core Naples server Zen, due Q2, has anything like this kind of price/perf versus Xeon, Intel is in trouble.
- jbmorgado 10y agoAnyone knows where can I get detailed information about the processor? I tried to search in AMD page but the information is very scant. Namely do these processors support ECC and what virtualisation capabilities do they have (for KVM with full GPU access).
- Qantourisc 10y agoIIRC they will not reveal this until March 2.
- aidenn0 10y agoNone of the launch motherboards support ECC, so ti sees doubtful that the Ryzen supports ECC.
- chithanh 10y agoNo official statement yet, but I think they will support virtualization. There hasn't been an AMD CPU in ages without AMD-Vi/IOMMU. But lack of ECC support is a problem if you want to use virtualization for security, as Rowhammer can be used for attacking other VMs and ECC is often the last line of defense against Rowhammer. https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2016/Fahrplan/events/8022.html https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2016/Fahrplan/events...
- actuator 10y agoI just hope this lives up to the hype. I built my last machine using Phenom II X6 1090T but I always regretted it after; as the 6 core advantage that I thought future games will use, never materialized and per core performance of that was not as good as the Intel CPUs of the same generation. Most of the benchmark leaks have focussed on top of the line Ryzens, I would be interested in seeing how the mid level Ryzens are comparing to Intel I5s. There are already reports of Intel CPUs getting price cuts, so this looks good for now at least.
- m_mueller 10y agoFor performance / $ in HPC systems this will be a field day though.
- erik 10y agoMost HPC systems are focused on floating point though, and Zen's vector/AVX implementation doesn't match Intel's.
- m_mueller 10y agoThat only matters for applications that are fully vectorized however. Most real world HPC applications depend much more on memory bandwidth and/or multicore performance and how well the compilers can optimize for the vector units (typically not very well). If I can choose two cores with 128 bit vectors for the same money as one core with 256bit, I'll choose the two core system any day of the week.
- erik 10y agoI certainly agree that vector performance is overrated. But it seems to dominate HPC spending. At least on the top500. But maybe AMD can pick up some HPC spending for smaller clusters designed to run less specialized code? I don't know how big that market is.
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- aabajian 10y agoLots of skeptical comments below. I tend to believe the result, given that Intel has slashed prices on its Kaby Lake/Skylake processors in anticipation of the Ryzen launch: http://wccftech.com/intel-amd-price-war-ryzen-processors/ http://wccftech.com/intel-amd-price-war-ryzen-processors/
- frou_dh 10y agoThat shows 'Microcenter' slashing prices, not Intel. If Intel slash prices it will presumably be at the bulk "tray" level and reflected on their ARK website.
- aabajian 10y agoMicrocenter has a tradition of getting really good cuts before/just after a new product comes out. I remember the Surface RT + Keyboard sale they had for Black Friday: https://www.neowin.net/news/micro-center-selling-surface-rt-with-touch-cover-for-17999-for-black-friday https://www.neowin.net/news/micro-center-selling-surface-rt-... Not saying this is predictive of an Intel price cut, but I do think that MicroCenter knows its audience.
- clircle 10y agoFake news?
- floatboth 10y agoBeating a 10 core doesn't sound real, but it sure kicks the Intel 8-core's ass
- ibgib 10y agoI'm maybe the only amd fan who is going to miss my power/$ of my 8350 for 150$ (or was it even cheaper?...)
- vinayan3 10y agoIf you were thinking of this as being a cheap CPU for a GPU training rig. It only has 24 PCI Express lanes. It might be better to stick with Xeon CPUs because most have 40 lanes.
- ThatPlayer 10y agoThanks for that. Was thinking about building a similar build I current have which uses a 5960X for the 40 lanes.
- Kubuxu 10y agoUsually you don't need x16 lanes for each GPU. x8 or even x4 in PCIe 3.0 will be enough but there is no way to know without checking.
- awqrre 10y agoIntel probably have something ready to go from 5+ years ago (that was never released because they didn't need to)...
- gigatexal 10y agoWhat're the chances Apple puts ryzen into their lineup?
- sparkling 10y agoZero. While the performance of Ryzen is pretty good, the overall power consumption and efficiency (idle, semi-load and load) i still no where near Intel. They won't kill 2-3 hour battery life on Macbooks for a AMD CPU.
- gigatexal 10y agoThey could bifurcate their lineup and put ryzen in the desktops or is that silly too?
- sparkling 10y agoLooking at previous lineups, they tend to use the same chips for a generation. E.g. when they switched from AMD GPUs to Nvidia, they did it on all products.
- trynumber9 10y agoHow do you know this? The only Zen-based chips we have any information about are desktop parts and we don't have any power usage benchmarks. The Raven Ridge chips, which are meant for laptops, would have the added advantage of removing the need for a discrete GPU in the 15" MacBook Pro. Switching to AMD seems unlikely but I'd be interested if they did.
- redtuesday 10y agoAbsolutely, nothing is really known at this point. The leaked power consumption results that we have show that a Ryzen engineering sample uses slightly less power than comparable Intel CPU's (i7 6900k). But we don't know if the leak is real. So let's wait for real benchmarks (at march 2) before saying Intel is better in power consumption @ sparkling. But keep the following in mind: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13736809 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13736809
- romanovcode 10y agoFinally some competition. I'm sick of Intel monopoly. Good job AMD!
- ChuckMcM 10y agoWhile I recognize it is a 'what is there to lose' kind of move, I think it is really awesome that AMD is unlocking all of their Ryzen parts. Seems like a when for the "I want to smoke my own processor thank you very much" generation.
- locusm 10y agoThe AMD strategy seems to just be "give the customer what they want". Revolutionary indeed.
- tzakrajs 10y agoMicro Center is selling Intel i7 7700k for $299 Those 4 cores are stronger than the first 4 cores of the 1700X or the 1800X. If you are a gamer, then most if not all of your games will use 4 or less cores. Why pay more money for worse gaming performance? https://www.techpowerup.com/230638/amd-ryzen-benchmarks-leaked-amazing-multi-core-and-single-core-performance https://www.techpowerup.com/230638/amd-ryzen-benchmarks-leak...
- yeukhon 10y agoNot sure, but some gamers are youtubers and they need to process videos. What about having an extra core or two for handling recording and playing live? Those cost serious real time processing.
- Synaesthesia 10y agoExtra cores might help with that, Intel Quicksync might be even better or some GPU based video encoding.
- rasz_pl 10y agoQuicksync is a marketing bullet point. Nobody sane uses this crap because quality is abysmal. Its bad for streamers (they usually run second PC just for stream compression), and bad for archiving video(quality again).
- aaronmdjones 10y agoWhen I'm streaming, I let my GPU do the video capture and compression for me (Nvidia NVEnc). You can do this with ShadowPlay if you feel like hurting yourself, but Open Broadcaster Studio supports it too.
- michaelmrose 10y agoThis post is pretty full of bad logic and could benefit from comparative benchmarks in place of supposition. - One retailers sale price on one chip is a poor way to judge the relative value of 2 entire lines of products. - the Intel i7 7700k is normally north of 350 which is what a lot of retailers are selling it for. There is no reason to suppose that one retailers temporary sale right now ought to be compared to the projected sale price of amd chips. -This price is without cooler/paste amd 1700 includes both for 329 so most would end up paying almost 400 for Intel $70 more if you include the next item. - Historically Intel motherboards have been more expensive and have been worthless as far as upgrading even to the very next generation of cpu. Amd motherboards are often upgradable. - It would be more reasonable to compare it to the 1700 which has uses 2/3 the power to run twice the cores with substantially better multi core performance as much as 40% better in fact. http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700-gaming-performance-benchmarks-leak/ http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700-gaming-performance-benc... While single core performance isn't quite as good if you followed pc gaming you would in fact know that either chip is going to be more than enough to keep up with any mid and most high end gpu setups you could throw at it. In summary going Intel on your next mid to low high end gaming rig will probably cost you slightly more, use a lot more power, give you substantially worse performance and no better gaming performance.
- frik 10y agoHow is the single core performance in real world beside benchmarks? AMD mentions some AI technology to improve the perf. If one runs the same software many times, will the performance change? It could be good if it learns and improves the performance, but results might not be reproduce. Is it like the Pentium 4 with its long pipelines that ideally result in better performance but meant more misses? Good that AMD has something in peto to compete with Intel again.
- vorticalbox 10y agoMeaningless, oh look our overclocked cpu beat an non-overclocked one that could have been overclocked.
- markiniotome 10y agoIntel reported that they will not invest any money to new technologies and will use 14nm technology even in 2017... MANY YEARS after it was introduced... Meanwhile, many companies are now AHEAD of Intel and GlobalFoundries announced trial production of 7nm processors in the second half of 2017.