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>My standard listening headphones are Etymotic ER-4Ps; there is no way I am going to downgrade to AirPods The phone comes with a 3.5mm to Lightning adapter, so
by ihuman 10y ago
>My standard listening headphones are Etymotic ER-4Ps; there is no way I am going to downgrade to AirPods
The phone comes with a 3.5mm to Lightning adapter, so you can continue to use your existing headphones.
Also, you can disable 3D touch and reachability (the double-tap home button thing) in the accessibility settings, if those are causing your issues.
>offer a system that just underlines words-thought-to-be-wrong without changing them, and let me tap on them to change them
If you disable auto-correction in the keyboard settings, it acts just like that.
- sjtgraham 10y ago"It just works"
- Washuu 10y ago> The phone comes with a 3.5mm to Lightning adapter, so you can continue to use your existing headphones. Yeah, no. When will I need this dongle? Exactly when I left it somewhere else. Then Apple will need a "Find my Dongle" application next to all the other "Find my*" applications. I am not going to buy expensive spare dongles just so I don't rage when I realize I left the dongle at work so now I can't listen to music in the garage while I work on my projects. I am not going to carry it around all the time with my phone just in case I need it. The removal of the 3.5mm jack is a failure by Apple.
- ihuman 10y agoI just keep mine connected to my headphones, since I use them more with my iPhone than a computer. Also someone made a cool keychain to attach it to if that works better for you. [1] > expensive spare dongles They're only $10 USD. [1] https://uncourage.com/ https://uncourage.com/
- monkmartinez 10y agoOnly $10??? That is a lot of money for something that shouldn't be needed in the first place. I haven't spent $10 dollars on my phone since I bought a case for it in 2013. Then again, I have expandable memory and a headphone jack (Galaxy Note 3).
- nkkollaw 10y agoAlright, so you spend $800 for a phone, and you're complaining that you can't spare $10? I'm not saying removing the headphone jack to make the phone a mm thinner wasn't a retarded move, but... Really? $10?
- ryao 10y agoI thought the removal was to recycle the space while making waterproofing easier.
- _Codemonkeyism 10y agoThe removal is to introduce a way to control which headphones are connected and to get license payments in the future.
- nkkollaw 10y agoAh, true. That was mentioned as well. It's amazing that people would pick an extra millimeter trimmed off or waterproofing over a headphone jack (I assume they did surveys..?).
- Freestyler_3 10y agoIf I buy an $800 device, I make sure it does what I want it to do with the least amount of friction (add/replace my other hardware). What if I buy a router today and there is a company that sells routers with a nice gui, but all the rj45 jacks are removed and it requires a dongle on the power jack to be able to connect a rj45. (For some reason it comes with a dongle but that requires the router to run on batteries) Anywho, I am not the guy that is going to buy apple hardware anyway. So I don't really have any impact on apple if I don't buy anything.
- bigtunacan 10y agoI have 5+ pairs of headphones. One for home, one for the office, one for the gym, and then a couple of spares for when I lose any of the main 3. I have the iPhone 7 and I end up carrying the dongle around in my jeans pocket when I am able to remember it. I'm certainly not paying $10 a pop for spare dongles when most of my headphones didn't even cost that much. Getting rid of the headphone jack is by far the dumbest move I have seen on the iPhone in a long time.
- raverbashing 10y ago> Getting rid of the headphone jack is by far the dumbest move I have seen on the iPhone in a long time. Then why did you get the iPhone 7? Should have voted with your wallet
- bigtunacan 10y agoUnfortunately I have a life saving medical device that only is compatible with the iPhone. I switched from Android to the iPhone 7 because of this.
- raverbashing 10y agoSomehow I can't understand how a life saving medical device would require a smartphone of a certain brand, but even if this is the case you could have gotten the iPhone 6 for example
- bigtunacan 10y agoI'm a type 1 diabetic. There is a device by Dexcom known as a continuous glucose monitor that reads my blood sugar via interstitial fluids and then transmits the information via Bluetooth. When I get unexplained low blood sugars in my sleep, which is believed to be the cause of Dead in Bed Syndrome, it sounds an alarm on the iPhone to wake me up before it's too late. As for going with the iPhone 6 1) my money would still have gone to Apple 2) I didn't think about what a pain it was until after I bought them Side notes 1) I have contacted Dexcom regarding an app for Android, but it doesn't seem like it will happen anytime soon. 2) I also tried an open source version for Android, but after purchasing 4 phones in a row that it had varying problems with I decided my life was worth more than being able to stay on Android. [EDIT] Diabetes is the number 7 leading cause of death in the United States and low blood sugar is the number one reason for ER visits by Type 1 diabetics.
- legodt 10y agoWhy are people so desperate to defend this clearly user hostile move? A dongle is a poor user experience and continues to degrade user experience over time. The fact that there was a market demand for a "cool" keychain shows how unnecessary the removal of the jack was. Believe it or not, people enjoy using things without unnecessary accessories that you have to keep track of and swap around
- greendesk 10y agoI do not like the audio jack in my phone. Sometimes the headphones slide halfway out and the sound gets distorted. I, for one, agree with the decision to let go of the audio jack.
- Washuu 10y agoI think the best use case for a dongle would be the first MacBook Pro I bought. They had phased out the VGA port for a DVI port, but included a DVI to VGA adapter in the box. The great thing about that is it simple a physical wiring adapter with no other logic inside. It worked well and no one complained since carrying the adapter in the bag with the laptop is not a big deal. In the case of the iPhone 7 the laptop bag is my pocket which has much more limited space and a hard connector getting situated in the wrong spot could end up being uncomfortable until readjusted. Additionally it is not just a wiring adapter. The Lighting to 3.5mm adapter actually contains a DAC and ADC inside of it which unfortunately causes the audio quality to suffer slightly compared to a higher quality dedicated DAC/ADC solution inside the phone. http://ifixit.org/blog/8448/apple-audio-adapter-teardown/ http://ifixit.org/blog/8448/apple-audio-adapter-teardown/
- jeffwass 10y agoThe conclusion on sound quality at the bottom of your link: "when playing an uncompressed 16-bit audio file on the iPhone 6s, the dynamic range dropped from 99.1 dB at the headphone jack to 97.3 dB at the adapter. Though keep in mind, this slightly lower measurement is still higher than the theoretical maximum you get from a compact disc (which is 96 dB). So, is it a difference you are likely to notice? If you sit in a quiet room with a really, really good pair of headphones … and you’re a canine, the answer is: maybe."
- rbrcurtis 10y agoThey're about $2 per on ebay.
- carloscar 10y agoI have just one pair of headphones that I use daily. How many dongles would you need to have one for every set of headphones?
- Washuu 10y agoThe headphones stay on the desk at work. Then there is the old set of Altec Lansing speakers in the garage. There are a few more spots that I rarely use, but they all have 3.5mm connectors.
- jsz0 10y ago> The removal of the 3.5mm jack is a failure by Apple. It's been a total non-issue for me. Since the iPhone 7 comes with both the adapter and Lighting headphones work/home usage isn't a problem. I just use the adapter + existing headphones at home and the Lighting headphones at work.
- _Codemonkeyism 10y agoThe adapter will go away in the future, it's just a technology to get people on the jackless train. I'm sure iPhone 8 will no longer support it.
- CountSessine 10y agoThat's sort of what I found. I thought it was going to be a major inconvenience because I don't like talking directly on a phone without headphones and a mic. It turns out that what I really don't like is having a conversation on a Samsung phone with the consistently awful earpieces Samsung puts in them (Note 4, S4, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus S...). I've been pretty happy with the iPhone 7 earpiece. My plea to Samsung: you guys make killer displays; couldn't you figure out how to make an earpiece that isn't awful?
- mahyarm 10y agoYou can get a dongle attacher, like this one for the magsafe 1 adapter: https://www.amazon.com/Cozy-Industries-MC-RD-1-2-MagCozy-2-Pack/dp/B00FA1Z20W/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1483164254&sr=8-4&keywords=magcozy https://www.amazon.com/Cozy-Industries-MC-RD-1-2-MagCozy-2-P...
- hyperbovine 10y agoYou'll probably want to pick up a dongle attacher attacher as well.
- reggplant 10y agoIn my experience, the amplification that this adapter provides is not enough for larger headphones.
- throwanem 10y agoLarger headphones like what? Impedance should matter there, not size, and it would surprise me to learn that there are high-Ω headphones that an iPhone can drive effectively, but the adapter can't.
- matheweis 10y agoA sysadmin I work who has had Apple-everything for years (iMac, MacBook Pro, MacBook Air, iPhone, Apple Watch...) with walked in last week without his Apple Watch. Asking him about it, he pulled out a new Pixel and said it was for op's very reason. In particular he noted that the pixel had a much better DAC than any one iPhone he'd ever had - and in particular that it could drive all of his higher end headphones. He also mentioned that the new iThing adapter has it own DAC inside the adapter... it's apparently powered by the lightning port with its own drivers - and that he had tried it out anyway but found it incapable of properly driving any of his nicer headphones.
- protomyth 10y agoI wonder how those dongles work for blind folks that use a headphone to connect to ATMs? I know the AirPods and lightning head phones are a no go for them. Also, I need to buy a 3rd party dongle since power is also important in my car and I'm not buying a new car because of a phone.
- frugalmail 10y agoI have headphones in multiple places, so I keep the dongle attached to the phone and realize it's scratching the phone or irritating my pocket. This was clearly a broken by design / apple screwing over consumers more / form over function insanity. They should have used standard USB-C for the damn phone too. Their laptops now standardize on it, but they still use proprietary crap on the phones.
- petre 10y agoNot an Apple fanboy, but the Lighting connector is way better designed than any USB connector, so I wouldn't call it crap. Proprietary, therefore sometimes annoying yes, but definitely not crap. The USB connectors are equally annoying when you try to insert them. With USB type A I always have to inspect the tip of the connector and the plug, and micro USB is always a pain to insert properly leading to connector damage at both the cable and the device ports. The decision not to include a phone jack in the iPhone 7 was a crappy decision insteaead.
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- Godel_unicode 10y agoThe USB-A/microUSB strawman notwithstanding, USB-C has the capabilities you're talking about (easy to insert, reversible). Given that USB-C requires roughly the same vertical space as the headphone jack, the one thing lightning has going for it from my perspective is that it works in a phone too thin for a headphone jack.
- adamlett 10y agoUSB-C didn’t exist when the Lightning connector was introduced.
- snovv_crash 10y agoIt did when the iPhone7 was released, and had already been released on quite a few Android phones.
- mdani 10y agoYou're absolutely correct - these things can all be fixed. I think the main point is that it kills the excitement of getting a new expensive device. It just becomes more and more work to regain the control back.
- Godel_unicode 10y agoThat's the thing I find really interesting about this debate; one of the things that creates excitement for me with new Android devices is customizing it to work exactly how I want. Turning things off, changing default behaviours, IFTTT-ing the device until it's hard for anyone else to actually use. Same with Precision Touchpad laptops (Dell XPS 15 for instance), changing all the swipe gestures to work exactly how I want. I always joke with my colleagues that if they can use my laptop efficiently, then I'm not done setting it up yet. I totally get that it's a difference of expectations, it's just interesting to me.
- irq 10y agoPlease don't ever design something meant for public use :)
- Godel_unicode 10y agoYou don't want designers who realize that everyone doesn't share their taste in how things are configured?
- cyber_dude 10y ago>The phone comes with a 3.5mm to Lightning adapter, so you can continue to use your existing headphones. What if I want to use my headphones while charging my phone?