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HP Unveils Mini Workstation
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- andrewmcwatters 10y agoSeeing stuff like this on HN brings excitement back into tech for me. New hardware and debatably a challenger to the Mac mini and Intel NUC? Very cool stuff.
- digler999 10y agoMac mini ? How come nobody has mentioned the mac pro[1] (aka the traschcan-shaped mac workstation) which is much more closely related to this [1] http://www.apple.com/mac-pro/ http://www.apple.com/mac-pro/
- andrewmcwatters 10y agoSolid point. Mac Pro competitor in mini form factor. If only Apple had something like that, that would be crazy.
- anentropic 10y agoexcept the price
- manaskarekar 10y agoSome more pictures: http://store.hp.com/us/en/ContentView?storeId=10151&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&eSpotName=Z2Mini http://store.hp.com/us/en/ContentView?storeId=10151&catalogI...
- JadeNB 10y agoWhat is the etiquette on posting literal company press releases? I'm not asking snarkily, but mean it as a serious question. I don't want to see an HN that's dominated by ads for the latest gadgets, but I understand that this is something of interest to hackers, and perhaps that criterion dominates all others.
- manaskarekar 10y agoHonestly, I felt a little dirty posting this, but I stumbled on it on some blog and thought of linking straight to the press release. I just thought this was an interesting product. I am in no way affiliated with HP or have any financial incentive in sharing this link.
- maxerickson 10y agoYeah, I think the same rules apply as for any other link. (which the way I see it, as long as you aren't posting a torrent of boring HP links, it would even be fine if you worked at HP and posted the link, so long as it is interesting)
- wvenable 10y agoThere are upvote/downvote buttons -- I'm unsure why any other criteria is needed.
- theandrewbailey 10y agoI was unaware that stories could be downvoted, or I lack the karma to do so.
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- ChrisClark 10y ago1225 karma here and I still can't downvote stories, just comments.
- detaro 10y agothat's for comments, downvotes for stories don't exist.
- newjersey 10y ago
- pg_is_a_butt 10y agouh... the mac mini already exists. you're all idiots.
- zeckalpha 10y agoWow. The Mac Mini used to have a quad core version.
- spiderfarmer 10y agoI loved that thing. I used it 24/7 for two years and then sold it for just 250 euro below the original price. Overpriced Macs do have their advantages.
- josh64 10y agoI still use the 2.3GHz quad core "server" version as my main system and I love it :) I took one of the 1TB disks out and put an SSD in to make a DIY fusion drive.
- petepete 10y agoSo how much RAM could be stuffed in one of these? Edit: The Z2 Mini supports Intel Core i3, i5 and i7 processors, in addition to Xeon E3 processors. It also supports up to 32GB of DDR4 SO-DIMM memory, and the unit can be equipped with Nvidia Quadro M620 graphics with 2GB of memory. (from http://www.tomshardware.com/news/hp-z2-mini-g3-workstation,33027.html http://www.tomshardware.com/news/hp-z2-mini-g3-workstation,3...)
- detaro 10y agoand ECC RAM!
- ChuckMcM 10y agoAs someone who has purchased ECC SO-DIMM form factor RAM in the past, it is very much not cheap. (it was basically 4x the cost of ECC DIMM sticks)
- yuhong 10y agoThat being said, they are more common with DDR4 now. Trivia: I think the pinout for DDR3 ECC SO-DIMMs are incompatible with the non-ECC ones!
- ComputerGuru 10y agoThey're not incompatible.
- yuhong 10y agoLook at "Pin Assignments" in: https://www.micron.com/products/datasheets/9790eab7-a778-48a3-9a36-1dececd30e38 https://www.micron.com/products/datasheets/9790eab7-a778-48a... https://www.micron.com/products/datasheets/cd774d8b-45be-4024-ad0a-6b5abf817fb1 https://www.micron.com/products/datasheets/cd774d8b-45be-402...
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- pavlov 10y agoSeems like this is what I always hoped the Mac Mini would be...
- walshemj 10y agoand if it was my firm might actually buy some other wise the mini pc's that levano do look like our next desktop.
- krylon 10y agoIf they can actually pull it off without the device either melting or spinning its fans fast enough to achieve escape velocity, it does sound like a pretty sweet deal.
- toisanji 10y agothis does not seem interesting to hackers at all
- rch 10y agoIt is if it ships with Linux.
- jasonkostempski 10y agoI'm sure they're referring to upgradability which is the last attractive feature of desktops. I can't figure out why anyone would care how big their tower is. If you're going to have an array of 6 monitors, I'm sure you've got an extra square foot or 2 for a standard tower that won't lock you into HP components.
- intrasight 10y agoYou'd be surprised how much two square feet cost in a trading floor in Manhattan. Plus enterprise customers are typically "locked in" anyway.
- mi100hael 10y agoSupport for six displays out of the box is pretty cool. I'm glad manufacturers are finally supporting more than just one or two displays by default.
- gjem97 10y agoWas looking for info on multi-head support. Where did you see this? EDIT: ah, I see it now. Three dual DisplayPorts: http://store.hp.com/us/en/ContentView?storeId=10151&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&eSpotName=Z2Mini http://store.hp.com/us/en/ContentView?storeId=10151&catalogI...
- plucas 10y agoThird paragraph: > ...and has the ability to support six displays right out of the box.
- Matthias247 10y agoThe pro version has 4 displayports was written on one site. But I guess that means that 6 displays can only be connected at a limited resolution (Full HD?). Wonder if could even drive a 4k screen on each displayport.
- vetinari 10y agoIt has 3 displayports: http://store.hp.com/wcsstore/hpusstore/Treatment/HP_Zmini_q1fy17_Gallery_zoom2.jpg http://store.hp.com/wcsstore/hpusstore/Treatment/HP_Zmini_q1...
- Matthias247 10y agoOr not ;) https://1.f.ix.de/scale/geometry/696x500/q75/imgs/71/2/0/1/7/1/6/9/02z2-327a999306489154.jpg https://1.f.ix.de/scale/geometry/696x500/q75/imgs/71/2/0/1/7... As I intended to say, the PRO model does have 4 displayports. The base model only 3. That's what I read on other articles, like https://www.computerbase.de/2016-11/hp-z2-mini-g3-workstation/ https://www.computerbase.de/2016-11/hp-z2-mini-g3-workstatio... Can't find the english source again.
- colanderman 10y ago"Based on publicly available information of workstation competitors as of October 3, 2016 with volume of at least 1 million units annually as of October 3, 2016 having < 3 litres volume, professional graphics, Intel® Xeon® quad core processor, ISV certified applications, ECC memory." This fine print, particularly the words "Xeon" and "ECC", let them conveniently ignore the 6th gen i7 NUC: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/nuc-kit-nuc6i7kyk-features-configurations.html http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/nuc-kit-nuc6i7kyk...
- honkhonkpants 10y agoActually has a footprint larger than the Mac Pro which is only about 7" in diameter. This has a diameter of 12".
- Leynos 10y agoIt'd definitely smaller than 12". That's the size of the SFF PC I have on my desk, and this thing, next to the coffee cup and mouse shown, is definitely not as large. The subtitle of the article states, "HP Z2 Mini delivers server-grade power in a 2.3 by 8.5 inch package".
- honkhonkpants 10y agoIt's 8.5" on each square side and 2.3" high. A square 8.5" on a side has a diameter of 12".
- Leynos 10y agoThat makes sense. I'd suggest "diagonal" as opposed to "diameter", as "diameter" suggests that the measurement is being taken across the flats. I see what you're saying though. The Mac Mini was, I recall, of roughly the same area as a CD jewel case, which is consistent with the size you describe.
- mrpippy 10y agoNot including the external power supply. No pictures of that, but someone else said it was 135W which will not be small.
- croon 10y agoBy pre-defining specs for the device, you can obviously create a sleak box for it with no wasted space, but I would claim it will always be impossible to create something as powerful as something 4 times its size, given the larger components are still produced, just going off physics. Otherwise no one would still build towers and just use laptops. (Of course more people use laptops, but it's not because of performance) Since they don't mention specs other than "next gen xeon and nvidia graphics", and the only claim to power is "Building off the success of the HP Z240 SFF, the HP Z2 Mini Workstation is twice as powerful as any commercial mini PC on the market today", I won't hold my breath. Getting better performance than "other mini PCs" is a pretty low bar for a stationary workstation. I'm unsure who this is for. It's not a laptop, so you can't bring it with you. A midtower would have better performance and can be strapped under your desk so you never see it.
- AdamN 10y agoThat was the theory with the first clocks to go on ships ... but then John Harrison realized that smaller can be just about as good for a significantly more useable product: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harrison#The_longitude_watches https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harrison#The_longitude_wa...
- m_mueller 10y agoClocks don't need cooling.
- revelation 10y agoIt's a mobile GPU and a 40 odd Watt Xeon. It's not really Workstation hardware.
- djsumdog 10y agoOff the shelf parts with the Thin-ITX form factor can help you build a pretty powerful workstation at this size. I built one myself: http://penguindreams.org/blog/building-a-thin-itx-router/ http://penguindreams.org/blog/building-a-thin-itx-router/ You wouldn't be able to build anything as powerful as these HP offerings, because they can custom fab parts to pack in ram and high end processors in a smaller density (like laptops) and build a lot of custom heat dispensations components as well. Still, there are Thin-ITX boards that can support a decent amount of ram and power, just not Xeons or high end video cards.
- Slackwise 10y ago> The HP Z2 Mini was designed for the millions of CAD users demanding smaller hardware I'm not a CAD user, but is there really a "demand" for smaller desktop hardware?
- lowmagnet 10y agoAs long as it meets the specs, most CAD people probably don't need expandable hardware.
- Matthias247 10y agoThat's also what I'm wondering. For my primary work PC it's: Either it's really portable and has a screen - then it should be small. Or it's not portable - then I don't care as long as it fits on or under the desk. For some environments however small or invisible hardware and the associated clean look is definitely a bonus: E.g. if it's a PC in your living room (I bought a NUC for that), or maybe for publicly exposed working places (receptionist, ...). But that's not really what is targeted with that hardware.
- rikkus 10y agoOn a 'living room' PC: I bought a Thinkpad T430s for £150. It's connected to the TV, the amp, and syncs various file storage services to itself then backs them up to various locations with Crashplan. The best thing about it? If I want to do anything with it, I just open the lid. Screen, keyboard and pointing device built in.
- lightedman 10y agoYup, lots of it. Smaller computer means more room for other machines, like larger CNC Mills.
- Tempest1981 10y agoTangent: I'm curious about HP's hostname taxonomy. I.e. What products or content live under www8 vs www2 or www7. http://www8.hp.com/.. http://www8.hp.com/...
- r1k 10y agoI assume that's just their way of pinning you to a load balancer.
- Tempest1981 10y agoMe too, but then try the same URI at www, www2, www3... it's a 404
- emmelaich 10y agoIt can still be a load-balancer of sorts, but at a higher layer than layer 7. Let's call it level8 or the 'wetware' layer. But yeah, not much duplicated content unless you consider translations 'duplicates' (which it is, at layer8)
- walshemj 10y agoOr there web presence is to use a technical term "$%^T"
- jasonmp85 10y agoThis is an anecdotal story from a Daring Fireball reader, but the claim is it was initially to help locate servers? http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/03/09/hp-license-plate-domains http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/03/09/hp-license-plate...
- 0x0 10y agoThat doesn't even make sense. What happens if a server goes down and needs to be replaced? Do you have to wait for someone to remove the old box and insert a new box in the rack? Obviously there needs to be a handoff of the same name because everyone in the world is linking to the "license-plate" URL....
- 24gttghh 10y agoClickbait. Title should read: "HP Unveils its[1] First-Ever Mini Workstation" It's certainly not an Industry first, nor a "World's First" as the press release claims. [1]Based on publicly available information of workstation competitors as of October 3, 2016 with volume of at least 1 million units annually as of October 3, 2016 having < 3 litres volume, professional graphics, Intel® Xeon® quad core processor, ISV certified applications, ECC memory.
- dang 10y agoOk, we took out "Industry’s First-Ever".
- 24gttghh 10y agoI appreciate it was changed, despite my snark. Thank you.
- dingo_bat 10y agoI'm just curious how hp can claim something completely opposite to what is obvious to many people. Isn't that false advertising?
- jlgaddis 10y agoEver see something being advertised as "new and improved"? It can't be both. I learned -- a long time ago -- to immediately ignore about half of anything in a press release or coming from a marketing/sales person. I skipped reading probably half of this press release just because I don't care that the VP of the division responsible for the product thinks it's great (of course he does, he's being paid to say that). Give me facts: data sheets, technical specifications, etc. Personally, I have a (possible unhealthy?) extreme level of "contempt" for the average marketing/sales droid.
- davidgerard 10y agoDoes it sound like a jet engine? I was disappointed how noisy even the small Lenovo Thinkcentre desktops were.
- kogepathic 10y agoIt has to. 135W power supply for a device which is 8.5x8.5x2.3" There's no way that much heat is going to be quietly removed by those tiny fans. I'd love some high res photos of the inside so I could look up the data sheet of the fans in use. Considering HP servers ship with cooling ducts to direct airflow and this thing doesn't even seem to have them. I mean look at the CPU exhaust! From the photos it looks like the only vents are at the corners, but they've decided to exhaust the CPU (and presumably the GPU, hard to tell since it's under a hard drive) straight into the rear IO ports which don't have any vents to the outside.
- mrpippy 10y agoFrom the pictures it looks like the power supply is external
- kogepathic 10y agoI'm not aware of PC manufacturers making a SFF PC with an internal power supply (look at the Dell Optiplex GX620, and Steam machine). Pretty much any PC small enough to be VESA mountable will have an external power supply. Apple has made the power supply on the Mac Mini internal since 2010, but previous models had an external power supply. I can't find exact numbers, but I'd be very surprised if the power supply in the current Mac Mini model is rated for more than 60 or 80W output. But besides, it doesn't really matter if the power supply is internal or external, other than it would be a feat of engineering to fit a 135W power supply and a PC in such a small space. The fact is, that volume is quite small to fit the components and a heat sink which can handle a 60-80W TDP (CPU+GPU) without having a lot of airflow over it to keep temperatures under control.
- matt4077 10y agoPower supplies are around 85%-95% efficient I believe, meaning that more than 100W of those 130W end up as heat in the case no matter what.
- walshemj 10y agoOnly $799 the average full sized workstation has CPU's that cost more than this.
- ChuckMcM 10y agoSee also the Intel NUC thing: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/nuc-kit-nuc6i7kyk-features-configurations.html http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/nuc-kit-nuc6i7kyk... What really astonishes me though is how you can have these really nice machines and Apple doesn't bother to update the Mac mini. Seriously, an Apple version of this would be a nice desktop.
- daxorid 10y agoI have the Skullcanyon NUC, and this is not comparable. I've been waiting for someone to offer me ECC in a small form factor. This is the first time I've ever seen it.
- ChuckMcM 10y agoI've got one of these: https://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/xeon/qm77/x9spv-m4.cfm https://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/xeon/qm77/x9... which is mini-itx. Pretty small form factor. Using an M.2 boot drive. Not very cost effective though.
- ptomato 10y agoIn the mini-itx space, there's also http://asrock.com/mb/Intel/X99E-ITXac/index.us.asp http://asrock.com/mb/Intel/X99E-ITXac/index.us.asp which is DDR4, not SODIMMS, and your choice of processor, including V4 Xeons. I have one with a E5-2680V4 + 64GB of ram in it. (128 should be feasible with 64GB sticks as far as I know, but as they're about $700 each last I checked I haven't tried it.)
- cylinder714 10y agoRight! The Skull Canyon NUC is brilliant, but the lack of ECC RAM is regrettable.
- Matthias247 10y agoJust interested: What's your use case for ECC? Do you intend to run a server on it and aim for highest stability?
- rdtsc 10y agoThis is very nice. I used to have a mac mini and would toss it in my backpack so I could work at home (I had two sets of displays and good keyboards). I can see this working out the same (well I work from home now all the time, but in a general sense I see it used that way too). Certainly like the performance of it.
- rch 10y agoSeems that it ships with a 'choice of Windows 10 Pro or Linux operating systems', but I don't see which distro.
- digi_owl 10y agoExpect RHEL.
- rch 10y agoThat would be terrific. Swapping that out for CentOS or Fedora should be trivial.
- chx 10y agoI'd expect Ubuntu on a desktop but what do I know. It's exciting to see Linux support no matter what.
- digi_owl 10y agoDo HP even do desktop Ubuntu? Never mind that this is being angled as a workstation.
- Tsiklon 10y agoHP Workstations officially support RHEL and SLES, looking at the Datasheet for this little guy confirms it; http://www8.hp.com/us/en/workstations/z2mini.html http://www8.hp.com/us/en/workstations/z2mini.html
- digi_owl 10y agoFunny how while the PR spiel talks about CAD, the press image is of a stock trader desk.
- mwfunk 10y agoThey probably just wanted to show off the 6-display config for that photo. Stock traders are much more likely to use that particular display arrangement than engineers.
- gravypod 10y agoThis packet is probably more for their investors then anything else and investors probably think 6 monitors means powerful. It's smart marketing to attack who you are actually advertising to (and here it's business 'leaders').
- xlayn 10y agoHP Mac Mini. This is actually interesting, when Apple switched to max 16 Gb of ram on their PRO line, HP throws something with PRO graphics and Xeon.
- Bud 10y agoApples and oranges. Intel's mobile Skylake processors don't support more than 16GB of low-power RAM; Apple didn't have anything to do with that limitation. This is a boxy desktop, not a mobile machine.
- jsjohnst 10y agoI up voted your response as it's correct, but for anyone who doesn't want to believe, here's a fully referenced post I made a while back with specific references in the Intel documentation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12900834 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12900834
- dingo_bat 10y agoNow I know why both the new surface book and the mbook pro have such paltry ram configurations. Sad times when intel itself seems to be falling behind.
- wmf 10y agoOr Apple could have used pro RAM in the MacBook Pro.
- Sanddancer 10y agoIntel's mobile processors like the ones in the Macbook Pro support up to 64 megs of ram. Their ultra low power cpus only support 16 gigs, but the line in question goes up to 64, even with ddr3l ram.
- JustSomeNobody 10y agoToo bad this doesn't have a built in hires display and a keyboard so we could compare orange to oranges.
- noja 10y agoWhat's a turbo Z drive? Can I swap it for a Samsung 860 Pro M.2? Can I have two M.2 devices to raid it? I don't want to lose my work. Edit: Liliputing says "There’s a 2.5 inch drive bay for a hard drive or SSD and an M.2 SATA SSD slot." (https://liliputing.com/2016/11/msi-trident-compact-vr-ready-gaming-pc.html https://liliputing.com/2016/11/msi-trident-compact-vr-ready-...)
- JonathonW 10y agoThat's the MSI Trident referenced there; HP doesn't say whether or not the Z2 accepts a standard M.2 drive (full specs don't appear to be available yet).
- Sephr 10y agoIt's a 4-way M.2 NVMe raid card, which HP has ignorantly decided to populate with seemingly mediocre SSDs instead of the current gen flagships from Samsung or Intel. You can remove the included SSDs and populate it with up to 4 960 Pro SSDs for what I imagine would be 14/8 GB/s sequential read/write performance. Unfortunately there's no way to buy it without the included SSDs, so you're better off with the unpopulated M.2/mini-SAS NVMe raid cards from Dell, HighPoint, or SuperMicro.
- pault 10y agoDo you happen to know what card that is? I couldn't find it in TFA. I'm not sure about getting the full read/write performance with 4 960s, since I think you'll saturate the bus with 2 or 3. Edit: tweaktown was able to get 9.2GB/3.8GB read/write on a non-bootable array: http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/7553/samsung-950-pro-pcie-gen-3x4-nvme-ssd-raid-report/index10.html http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/7553/samsung-950-pro-pcie-...
- gregmac 10y ago> Unfortunately there's no way to buy it without the included SSDs Ah, brings back memories of buying HP servers several years ago. The only way to get the servers we needed was to buy servers pre-shipped with inadequate RAM and drives, rip it all out, and then install new drives and new RAM (purchased at the same time from HP, for an inflated price of course). We were left with a pile of essentially useless SAS drives and ECC RAM, and still had to do all the assembly in-house. I've never had so much trouble getting a company to accept several tens of thousands of dollars before.. or since. That project explicitly specified HP hardware, and as far as I know we never bought HP servers again after that experience.
- finid 10y agoSupport your unique user needs with a choice of Windows 10 Pro or Linux® operating systems. Above that line on the product's page is the Micorsoft Windows logo. HP should know that Linux also has an official logo. Put it there
- JohnStrange 10y agoGood specs, I wonder what it will cost with maxed out memory.
- cmdrfred 10y agoI've deployed a hundred or so HP mini's pro units processionally, utter garbage. Blurscreened constantly, took 6 months of screaming at their tech support to get them replaced. I can't recommended any HP product after that.
- AdmiralAsshat 10y agoI've got an HP Stream Mini, which I've been perfectly happy with[0]. Granted it's not a business machine and I don't do any dev work on it, it's just my living room HTPC. But I totally dig how easy it was to open up and replace the wifi card, hard-drive, and memory. In fact, my only complaint about it so far is that I stupidly let it update to Windows 10, and now I periodically turn my TV on expecting to be staring at Kodi, but instead I get a login screen because W10 decided to install updates and reboot on me. [0] http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/02/cheap-functional-upgradeable-hps-stream-and-pavilion-mini-desktops-reviewed/ http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/02/cheap-functional-upgr...
- joesmo 10y ago"world’s first mini workstation" my ass (and no, the footnote doesn't make it so). Here's one that supports 7 4k displays and has no fan: https://airtop-pc.com/ https://airtop-pc.com/
- intrasight 10y agoI don't understand why they didn't use a Xeon e3-1545m, which is a 35-45 TDP part and has adequate graphics for the intended market. If it doesn't support ECC, there's no benefit vs the Intel Skull Canyon. I am in the market for a new dev machine, and I want Xeon and ECC. Just not enough good options currently (unless you build from scratch).
- rch 10y agoCheck out Colfax International. They have some nice workstations that are relatively easy to configure.
- intrasight 10y agoI had really meant to say "not enough good mini/laptop options"
- rch 10y agoFair enough. My main ergonomic requirement for a workstation is zero noise at rest, and reasonable otherwise. I'm interested in seeing what I can get in form factor though.
- intrasight 10y agoMy goal as well. I think that I assumed (wrongly) that these small form factor computers would be more quiet than a tower.
- tcpekin 10y agoYeah, I'm pretty sure the rule of thumb is that standard towers can be quieter because unless the SFF computers are passively cooled, larger towers can have larger fans spinning at a slower RPM to move the same amount of air, as well as have larger radiators.
- roel_v 10y ago
- nkurz 10y agoIs there an obvious reason that they stick with traditional air cooling for this, rather than using liquid cooling? Here's an example of a compact system with liquid cooled CPU and graphics card built using off-the-shelf parts: http://blog.newegg.com/building-a-mini-itx-gaming-pc/ http://blog.newegg.com/building-a-mini-itx-gaming-pc/ I'd think that at this small size, you'd need really high air velocity to make it work. Coupled with small fans, this generally means the system would be really noisy. Is liquid cooling still too expensive? Not reliable enough? Not actually an advantage for noise? Or do the expected purchasers just not care about excessive fan noise?
- noja 10y agoThat thing doesn't look compact to me.
- jjn2009 10y agomini-itx computers are small but this thing is tiny in comparison to the average mini-itx build.
- nkurz 10y agoAbsolutely it's smaller. Did you notice that they have designed it so that it can act as a VESA mounting plate that goes between a swing arm and the monitor? http://media.bestofmicro.com/B/N/628979/original/HP-Z2-Mini-Mounting.jpg http://media.bestofmicro.com/B/N/628979/original/HP-Z2-Mini-... I wasn't suggesting that mini-ITX was a substitute. It's only compact for something that uses standard hardware. What I was wondering was why they stuck with air cooling despite using a custom form factor. I presume there are reasons for this --- I just don't know them. HP does claim that this machine is "63% quieter than a comparable HP business-class mini PC.": http://www.tomshardware.com/news/hp-z2-mini-g3-workstation,33027.html http://www.tomshardware.com/news/hp-z2-mini-g3-workstation,3.... My previous experience with HP machines though is that I hate being in the same room as one even when it is at idle. So even if this is 1/3 as loud, it may still sound like a vacuum cleaner.
- tcdent 10y agoLiquid circulation doesn't actually cool, just transfers the energy to another interface for eventual dissipation into the air.
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- bluedino 10y agoOnly 2 USB ports? - Actually, when you click the review picture with the ports, you can't see the 2 USB-C ports and 4th DisplayPort. Web design glitch.
- desdiv 10y agoBefore clicking: http://store.hp.com/wcsstore/hpusstore/Treatment/HP_Zmini_q1fy17_Gallery_th2.jpg http://store.hp.com/wcsstore/hpusstore/Treatment/HP_Zmini_q1... After clicking: http://store.hp.com/wcsstore/hpusstore/Treatment/HP_Zmini_q1fy17_Gallery_zoom2.jpg http://store.hp.com/wcsstore/hpusstore/Treatment/HP_Zmini_q1... No USB-C ports would be a total deal breaker for me.
- bluedino 10y agoOnly 2 USB ports?
- PascLeRasc 10y agoNo audio output as far as I can tell, and after I plug in my USB keyboard and mouse I'll be out of ports.
- jsjohnst 10y agoUSB hub? Many monitors have them these days built in. If yours doesn't, Amazon sells them for barely more than the cost of shipping these days.
- PascLeRasc 10y agoStill, there's room on the case for additional front and back ports, and all the hubs I've used have had problems. It also defeats the clean look of the machine.
- jsjohnst 10y agoanecdata: I've bought more hubs than I care to count for multiple employers and not had issues. Also, the monitor hub route wouldn't affect the "clean look" of the machine any more than having a dozen cables sticking out of it every which way.
- rhubarbquid 10y agoIt has 6 usb ports, 2 of them type-c
- 0xCMP 10y agoI couldn't help but notice this funny marketing line which made me laugh > The incredibly compact form factor resembles more a super computer from the future than a PC of today.
- desireco42 10y agoI don't do CAD but powerful linux station in small package that can power multiple screens is something I would be in market for. Let's wait for reviews...
- questionr 10y agobetter details http://www.storagereview.com/hp_introduces_the_z2_industry_s_first_mini_workstation http://www.storagereview.com/hp_introduces_the_z2_industry_s...
- gaius 10y agoThis is what the Mac Mini should have been
- homero 10y agoI love these cute machines
- EdSharkey 10y agoI am hungry for news of HP's "The Machine" or whatever they're calling it, which is the big iron that will leverage and be built around the memristor-based memory. Any progress on that development?
- IanCal 10y agoThey dropped the memristors from it last year: https://www.engadget.com/2015/06/05/hp-the-machine-no-memristors/ https://www.engadget.com/2015/06/05/hp-the-machine-no-memris...
- EdSharkey 10y agoThanks. Sucks they couldn't make it work.
- dekhn 10y agoit was a hype machine. the leader of HP labs just kind of made up a machine that combined all the experimental technologies the labs were working on (terrible idea: make a product that requires N experimental projects to all work out).
- jitix 10y agoHP has been coming up with some really innovative PC systems. And they almost sold the PC division few years back. This is a good development - PC market might have shrunk considerably but it's not going to go away.
- Merad 10y agoIt looks nice, but beyond looks I don't really get the appeal. If you want and/or need the power, and you're already planning to have 3-6 monitors on your desk, why not go for a slightly larger box that can hold reasonable cooling solutions that don't sound like a jet taking off when the PC is under the slightest load? IME, HP is terrible about considering the noise of their designs. Our current work laptops are HP 1040 G3's, and it doesn't take much get the fans spinning at a noticeable volume (playing a video + a couple instances of VS + the normal outlook/web browsers/etc). The 1040 at least has been an upgrade over our old HP laptops (I forget the model) where the fan seemed to run at 100% all the time.
- repsilat 10y ago> why not go for a slightly larger box One upside is that this will fit in your carry-on luggage. Cheaper than a beefy laptop, but I'm not sure portability buys you much if you'd need to think about mouse/keyboard/monitor too. Maybe people just want more physical room?
- destitude 10y agoGets me sad all over again that Apple refuses to update the Mac Mini.
- monoid 10y agoSounds like a Steam Machine =)