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I can't get over the headphone jack either. Another dongle to loose. Tons of headphones obsoleted. Can't charge while listening. Laggy audio. more batteries
by acomjean 10y ago
I can't get over the headphone jack either.
Another dongle to loose. Tons of headphones obsoleted. Can't charge while listening. Laggy audio. more batteries in the world. They're ok with a bulge for the camera but not headphones? I work in a lab and a phone with headphones is standard equipment on the commute and work (for at least part of the day).
I would seriously move off iOS if I was making music with it. If only iOS devices were made by other manufacturers... (I know I know....)
on the plus side minimum memory had been bumped.
- tajen 10y ago> Tons of headphones obsoleted. They do provide the lightening-to-jack adapter in the box for free.
- Frank2312 10y agoI sure hope they don't force their customers into an extra 100+$.
- takeda 10y agoWho will carry that with them?
- supercoder 10y agoPeople carrying headphones around id imagine
- nsxwolf 10y agoJust leave it connected to your headphones.
- valarauca1 10y agoSee here is the crux of the issue I use my headphones for: -Listening to the environment while PC Gaming using a Windows PC -Listening to records using my stereo -Listening to music while working on my Macbook Pro -Listening to music while being mobile w/ iPhone 6 -Listening to music while driving in my car (audio jack works faster with less interruptions then USB) The big win of 3.3mm audio jack is they work with all these different systems and use-cases. There is nothing to lose, nothing to think about. Plug and Play. Dead simple. Dumb analog. Now to fully cover all my uses cases I have 2 more things to carry around with me full time, and not lose. Not a simplification, buying a Nexus. Steve Jobs is dead.
- nsxwolf 10y agoWhat's needed for your situation is a little doo-dad that tethers the dongle to your headphones, so you can disconnect it freely and not lose it.
- mirkules 10y agoNo, he should tape the adapter to the phone, using silver duct tape. Or a simple analog jack would work too.
- nsxwolf 10y agoWell there won't be an analog jack on the iPhone 7, so that's not a solution. A little dogbone shaped white silicone thing would look a lot nicer than duct tape. I think you already realize both of those things.
- mirkules 10y agoFor the record, I was being facetious on purpose to show how ridiculous this is. But more to your point, the adapter would belong with the phone not with the headphones. There are potentially N number of headphones, and one phone for which the adapter will be used. So the adapter being carried with the phone instead of N adapters for N headsets makes more sense.
- r00fus 10y agoKind of like a MacCozy for the magsafe v1/v2 adapter? I can tell you that's a very solid product.
- endemic 10y agoApple is enabling a vibrant 3rd party accessory market ;)
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- johnward 10y agoI generally need to charge while listening though.
- LordHumungous 10y agoThe other thing about that though- you can't listen to your headphones or hook up aux speakers while your phone is charging.
- elliotec 10y agoHow often do you do that?
- AlexandrB 10y agoWhenever I'm listening to something and the phone is about to die. Edit: also in the car (I have an older car with just an AUX jack).
- heydenberk 10y agoI imagine it's fairly common, since streaming music (even over WiFi) drains the battery.
- derefr 10y agoMy own setup for a while now, when playing music for long periods, has been to connect the phone to charge using the lightning cable, and then connect to a (wireless) Bluetooth speaker which itself is also plugged in and charging using its own USB cable connected to a USB charger. It has much the same effect as having a "charging dock", but just requires two powered USB ports rather than a custom piece of equipment.
- SloopJon 10y agoJason Snell "joked on Twitter last week that it’ll cost $19 if Apple’s sort of sorry, $29 if it’s not sorry, and if it’s free in the box then Apple’s really afraid of consumer backlash." https://sixcolors.com/post/2016/09/what-to-look-for-at-wednesdays-apple-event/ https://sixcolors.com/post/2016/09/what-to-look-for-at-wedne...
- Kadin 10y agoApple gets reportedly $4 per connector [1] for each 3rd-party device that uses a Lightning connector -- and that's with their new, kinder/gentler licensing scheme. The adapter that comes in the box is the proverbial drug dealer's "first one" that's always free. Imagine getting a $4 royalty on every pair of iPhone-compatible headphones that's sold in the world. That's worth a lot of free adapters in the short run. Just as a first-order estimate: Forbes says that annual worldwide sales of headphones are $300M. If the average price of headphones is around 20 bucks (taking into account there are a small number of very expensive headphones but also a lot of cheap ones, that's probably high), that's something in the neighborhood of 15M pairs sold per year. If half of those become Lightning-connector equipped, that's $30M/year in revenue (on costs of zero!) going to Apple. The connector could make the phone substantially worse as a phone and it still might be worthwhile. There doesn't need to be a compelling technical reason. [1]: http://www.forbes.com/sites/theopriestley/2016/01/11/apple-ditching-the-headphone-jack-is-less-about-music-more-about-royalties/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/theopriestley/2016/01/11/apple-d...
- Xixi 10y agoiPhones sales are over 100 billion dollars a year [1]. If this change makes the iPhone substantially worse to the point of losing even 1% of the would-be buyers, Apple will lose over a billion dollars in revenue. The risks are so staggering that I would think they must genuinely believe that the jack connector is so technically obsolete that it makes the iPhone worse than the iPhone will be without it. I just can't fathom Tim Cook (or anyone) betting 100 billions for $30M/year. Of course I can be completely wrong. [1] http://www.statista.com/statistics/263402/apples-iphone-revenue-since-3rd-quarter-2007/ http://www.statista.com/statistics/263402/apples-iphone-reve...
- lostlogin 10y agoApple isn't betting 100 billion. Some portion of users use headphones, I have no idea what percentage of users that is, but it isn't everyone. Apple would know this figure though.
- intoverflow2 10y ago
- FigBug 10y ago> I would seriously move off iOS if I was making music with it. Can you explain this?
- berberous 10y agoiOS is used by lots of musicians. Musicians use lots of headphone cables to connect music equipment. Even if they use lightning, they now can't use an iPhone for some music app while performing, output the audio, and charge it at the same time.
- derefr 10y agoI imagine the iPad Pro will keep the audio jack indefinitely, much as MBPs still have many ports Apple had eliminated in other devices.
- petercooper 10y agoI'm against the move, but undoubtedly we'll soon have a breakout device like the MacBook has for having HDMI, audio in/out, and power all through the one port.
- comex 10y agoEven if Apple doesn't make such an adapter, third parties undoubtedly will.
- nixos 10y agoUnless it's locked down through the DMCA
- out_of_protocol 10y ago> we'll soon have a breakout device USB-C indeed. Apple chose not to use it though
- chimeracoder 10y ago> undoubtedly we'll soon have a breakout device like the MacBook has for having HDMI, audio in/out, and power all through the one port. The Dell XPS 13 has a USB-C (Thunderbolt 3) port, which can do display, audio, and AC power all in the same port. http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-13-9350-laptop/pd http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-13-9350-laptop/pd
- nsxwolf 10y agoAttach your headphones to the dongle and leave it there. If you have more than one set, I'm sure Anker will make these for $4.99 a piece and you can buy a bunch.
- vxNsr 10y agoUnfortunately only one of my devices has a lightening conveyor on it but I'd like to use those headphones for more than one device... Apple flubbed here no question about it, hopefully they bring back the jack with the iPhone 7s/8 . Meanwhile I guess I'll stick with my iPhone 6s
- ropiku 10y agoThe official one is $9.99, it's not expensive at all.
- nicky0 10y ago$9 actually.
- kuschku 10y agoNot if you have several hundred dollar headphones – then you’d more likely glue the adapter to the phone. Or just break open the phone and solder a fucking 3.5mm jack into it.
- BurningFrog 10y agoI expect iPads will still have the headphone jack. It doesn't have the space issues of the phone.
- strictnein 10y agoMaybe. Macbooks have more room for ports too, but they only put one port on those.
- j2bax 10y agoI kind of doubt Apple would retain legacy support for the iPad just because they have the space. If they are pushing a lightning/wireless future, they are probably planning to deploy/force that future on their entire device line.
- robinson7d 10y ago> Can't charge while listening. If you shell out for the AirPods, you can. Though I definitely agree - I'm pretty sad to see the headphone jack go.
- Unklejoe 10y agoThe only issue is that you also need to charge the AirPods, no?
- slg 10y agoThat is the same problem just on the other end as it appears the AirPods can only be charged in their case.
- Aloha 10y agoSomeone will probably make an adapter allowing you to charge and use the 3.5mm jack, probably Apple. Another 40 bucks to spend though.
- esolyt 10y ago> If you shell out for the AirPods, you can. Which will need charging themselves. Now I have to choose between being concerned about either my phone's battery or my headphones' battery.
- eridius 10y agoThe AirPods come with a charge case that holds 24 hours of juice. If you manage to end up in a scenario where your phone is out of power, your AirPods are out of power, and the AirPod case is out of power, that would be a fairly impressive bit of poor planning. Besides, you can charge your phone and your AirPods at the same time, you just need to have two outlets (or two USB ports) and two cables.
- fdgdasfadsf 10y agoOr you have better things to do than worrying about charging 2/3 devices when you used to only have to charge 1. I wistfully remember the days when I could go away for the weekend and not have to take a charger for either my ipod or phone...
- eeeeeeeeeeeee 10y agoThe lag is what I'm curious about. Given the lag I experience while streaming Bluetooth from my iPhone to my car, I'm expecting to see about the same amount of lag. Which is annoying because it's definitely a worse experience than a cable.
- jdmoreira 10y agoI'm not defending the the removal of the headphone by any means, but you are unlikely to experience any lag with the lightning cable. It's just a pcm bytestream getting out of the phone into a dac in the headphones. The latency won't be any different than what already is. If you are talking about their new wireless headphones, It will probably have some delay but probably not even close to bluetooth. They could just modulate that same bytestream to some ghz radio frequency without adding anything remotely as over engineered and cumbersome as a bluetooth stack. I'm pretty sure those airpods are not bluetooth compatible.
- AlexandrB 10y ago> If you are talking about their new wireless headphones, It will probably have some delay but probably not even close to bluetooth. They could just modulate that same bytestream to some ghz radio frequency without adding anything remotely as over engineered and cumbersome as a bluetooth stack. I'm pretty sure those airpods are not bluetooth compatible. What about encryption? Not to mention that Bluetooth doesn't use PCM because of battery life constraints (more radio traffic == more energy used), I doubt that Apple's protocol is uncompressed.
- mark-r 10y agoIf you look at how old Bluetooth is, it wouldn't be surprising if a new system could be much more efficient. Uncompressed audio isn't high bandwidth by today's standards.
- kale 10y agoBluetooth v4.2 is not yet 2 years old. Bluetooth v5 is coming out in the next couple of years. Bluetooth 4.0 really dropped power requirements for a lot of use cases. It's an adapting standard that's not sitting still by any stretch.
- yock 10y ago> They're ok with a bulge for the camera but not headphones? This confuses me too. The camera wart is ridiculous, and I bet if they made the device just that slight bit thicker they'd have room to retain the 3.5mm jack. The other possibility is that the headphone jack makes water resistance that much more difficult. Maybe they think it's worth it?
- PacketPaul 10y agoAnd room for -shutter- a bigger battery.
- Unklejoe 10y agoThere are other phones which have the 3.5mm jack and are water resistant, such as the Galaxy S7.
- waiseristy 10y agoNot only that, but a higher rating as well, IP68
- ryanSrich 10y agoThe draw to iOS is rarely the hardware (aside from the camera, Apple wins that category hands down every time). The software platform Apple has built is unrivaled.
- exception_e 10y ago> The software platform Apple has built is unrivaled. Not really true anymore. Android (while drinking Google Koolaid) is an amazing platform. I bet for most users (in terms of apps and basic phone features), there is really no justification to get an iPhone over an Android.
- serge2k 10y agoI used an android up until the iPhone 6 came out. iOS is just a better platform.
- coryfklein 10y ago> if I was making music with it Is iOS used as a platform in professional music making? Is that really a thing?
- sanswork 10y agoipads are used pretty commonly in it.
- lbotos 10y agoYes: http://techland.time.com/2010/12/27/gorillaz-reveal-what-apps-they-used-to-make-their-ipad-album/ http://techland.time.com/2010/12/27/gorillaz-reveal-what-app... https://news.djcity.com/dstrukt-performs-i-heart-kanye-routine-with-mixfader-and-edjing-scratch-app/ https://news.djcity.com/dstrukt-performs-i-heart-kanye-routi...
- wahnfrieden 10y agoiPads are really compelling as an audio controller, particularly with great multitouch support.
- jedanbik 10y agoYes. AudioBus is a major iOS music platform. Check out the list of compatible apps on their website, companies like Ableton, Korg, Yamaha, and countless indie devs take this seriously, and really, we all should. https://audiob.us/apps/ https://audiob.us/apps/
- citrik 10y agoAnyone serious about making music on iOS already has an external audio interface. Not to say dropping the port is well timed, but it's not a major issue for most pro iOS musicians.
- ivan_gammel 10y agoThe difference between camera and headphones is that the latter consume useful space inside and extra lenses for camera do not. Probably it also has to do something with new waterproof feature (different design of case, more holes to secure etc).
- jnericks 10y agogalaxy s7/note7 are both waterproof with 3.5mm jacks
- robotresearcher 10y agoAn extra camera assembly does take up space in the case. Notice the iPhone 7 does not have a second camera, but the larger 7+ does.
- ivan_gammel 10y agoiPhone 7 camera was improved, but additional components add to its thickness much more than to width and height. Jack consumes width and height, that are big enough for one extra chip, for example.
- rimantas 10y ago> I would seriously move off iOS Where to? Take a look at what earphones are people with iPhones using. 99% those will be the ones found it the box.
- i2shar 10y agoOne word: "Courage".
- orthecreedence 10y agoI'm not easily offended, but that use of the word made me cringe. Courage is running into a burning building to save a family. Courage is going to war for your country knowing you might die. Courage is being more afraid than you've ever been in your life and doing the right thing anyway. To call throwing an age-old standard into the toilet while shoving vendor lock-in down people's throats "courage" is offensive. Shame on Apple.
- mortenjorck 10y agoEasily Schiller's most tone-deaf line since "Some people are using five-year-old computers!"
- mort96 10y agoThat's not even the tone-deafest part though. What really made me cringe is his heartfelt follow-up, "that's really really sad!"
- intoverflow2 10y agoHard to take their e-waste talk seriously when they make statements like that and release so many dongles.
- johnward 10y agoThe camera bulge bothers me on every phone. The lens always ends up wearing after some daily use. Why would you want that to be the contact point on any device?
- stock_toaster 10y agoIf you use just about any kind of case, the bulge disappears and becomes flush again.
- johnward 10y agoThat's true but I'm not a big case fan. What is the point of making a phone so nice and thin and then putting a big bulky case on it?
- SunnyDoll 10y agoHere lonely girl looking for fun with the guys http://bit.ly/2cl5OQg http://bit.ly/2cl5OQg
- stormbeta 10y agoI've switched entirely to Bluetooth headphones, but I'm with you - there are plenty of downsides to wireless headsets even with lossless audio protocols like aptx. And water resistance is still possible - my Z5C can be used in pouring rain and it still has a 3.5mm jack. I'm also worried about the potential for consumer-hostile DRM on audio playback, especially since it looks like they're introducing their own proprietary wireless protocol.
- ptaffs 10y agoBulging camera -> broken glass. For two years I've been using a Galaxy S5 with bulging camera and twice I have broken the camera glass needing replacing, it's the first thing to hit the surface when i rest the phone on a table and takes a lot of stress. Of course I could be more careful. It has also scratched and so there's more lens flare, but I'm tired of replacing it. My wife's iPhone with flush camera is much less of a problem.
- themartorana 10y agoThe lens cover on the iPhone is sapphire. Not unbreakable, but.l not quite glass either. That should help.
- Shanea93 10y agoAnecdotally, my Nexus 5x has a large, central bulge for it's camera and the sapphire glass doesn't even have any scratches on it after almost a year with no protector over any part of the phone. It's a shame they're discontinuing the line, the build quality of this phone is immensely good, it shows me the quality Android phones _should_ have.
- zippergz 10y agoI hate the camera bulge, but I've had an iPhone 6 since they first day they were available, and the camera lens is still in pristine shape with no case, and no particularly special care.
- vadym909 10y agoMaking the phone thin is a wasted goal. Everyone I know has a thick iphone cover.
- Animats 10y agoYes. That's why I have one of the Cat ruggedized phones. It's thinner than some iPhones in their cases.
- codyb 10y agoWhich would be even thicker on a thicker phone.
- nerevarthelame 10y agoIf the goal is strictly to minimize thickness, then it probably would've been less hassle to develop a slightly thinner case than to remove the 3.5mm jack. Based on my experience (which is worth next to nothing), people don't really care about the thickness of their phone. Most people I know end up throwing it in a hideous Otterbox (or similarly gigantic case) anyway. Who's going to notice an extra millimeter matter then?
- chetanahuja 10y ago"If only iOS devices were made by other manufacturers" This seems backwards. Only reason to buy Apple phones is the superior hardware. As far as the OS goes, Android (and the google services backing it... especially Google Now) have completely surpassed it and continue to increase the gap every day. Increasingly, Google is treating the mobile devices as just a conduit to access their cloud services (including their far superior machine intelligence backing it). While Apple continues to treat the iPhone as a beautiful device with mediocre cloud services backing the hardware. Don't believe me? Imagine if you Google stopped creating apps for the iPhone. How big a catastrophe would that be for Apple management? Now imagine Apple ceased to exist. Would the Android ecosystem be affected in any way?
- mahyarm 10y agoI had an android phone a year ago. Battery life management is pretty horrible. It's really hard to figure out which apps are draining your battery a lot in the background. For example, I rooted my phone to find out if any wake locks were draining my battery. It didn't show anything. Looked at the battery usage screen, it didn't show the culprit. Eventually I had to do a science experiment on my phone and disable all background processing and then switch on apps one by one to see the battery life change. I finally found it was my carrier's generic usage app that was killing my battery. The app was installed from the app store on my unlocked device, so it wasn't carrier pre-installed crapware that caused this. On iOS, I've never had to do this because app developers are not able to drain your battery like that. --- Camera software speed and quality has never been matched for me on iOS. Maybe motorola gets to iOS's camera speed. The software also makes getting good photos a lot easier with things like detecting your hand shake with the accelerometer and taking the photo when you're still in the moment. Siri has better locked screen and in car voice interaction for me compared to android when I tried with android OS 5 --- If google disappeared, you would basically get china and other companies would fill in the gap.
- chetanahuja 10y ago"If google disappeared, you would basically get china and other companies would fill in the gap." The incoherence of that response (China is not a company) should be a clue.
- taigeair 10y agoDon't feel it's a problem because I have my iPhone charger to charge it up and have my iPhone head phones to listen to music. What's the difference? Many people have the micro usb cable for charging, and iPhone users use the lightning charger. Only issue for me is you can't listen to music via headphone and charge at the same time.
- byebyetech 10y ago>>Can't charge while listening. This is huge.
- tedmiston 10y agoEh, not really. Try listening to music while you charge today and watch how slow it is to charge.
- 72deluxe 10y agoDepends if you're using a really low output USB port, perhaps?
- x_foo_x 10y ago*listening via lightning... Apple doesn't want everyone to switch to lightning. They are banking that bluetooth will eventually be the 90% even 99% standard among consumers. I tend to agree.
- zerker2000 10y agoIf you're listening via AirPods, you can't charge the AirPods
- scottmf 10y agoThe case provides 24 hours of battery life. If you're in a situation where your case has no battery life at all and your airpods have no battery life at all, they take 15 minutes to charge.
- whatevs_people 10y agoDon't you think this move isn't anything other than Apple now has another set of accessories to sell at a premium? Dongle lost: buy another one. Tons of headphones obsolete: no problem, Apple and Beats are going to be rolling out dozens that are compatible. $$$
- dogmatix 10y agoWould a dongle be that bad? Back in the Walkman days there was a dongle that acted as a remote control. It made it very easy to skip songs, change volume, etc. Another improvement to this functionality would be a likely movement away from the current situation with non-standard signalling sent across the analogue connection. Right now you can get headphones with integrated remotes to pause/resume and control the volume, but the signals are not shared between android/iphone let alone desktop operating systems.
- jshevek 10y ago> Can't charge while listening. [ using a standard cable] This is a complete deal breaker for me. I was confident that apple was going to unveil two models, one which had the headphone jack and one which didn't. Lenovo at least had the good sense to offer at least one model that still had the headphone jack, as they were introducing a similar model which did not. I'm so disappointed in apple.
- Hondor 10y agoWhy worry about obsoleting tons of headphones when this (and every new phone) obsoletes a whole phone? Isn't that a much greater cost?
- abalone 10y ago> Another dongle to loose. Tons of headphones obsoleted. Can't charge while listening. You're conflating the switch to a proprietary jack with the introduction of wireless AirPods. Those are separate things. You can still use 100% of existing wired headphones with the iPhone 7, just with an adapter, which is a tradeoff that gets you some great other features like the new camera system.[1] The bundled wired headphones and any wireless headphones don't require an adapter. If you don't like wireless headphones, you don't have to use them. > I would seriously move off iOS if I was making music with it. Why? That comment seems unsupported by your reaction to this headphone jack change. [1] https://www.buzzfeed.com/johnpaczkowski/inside-iphone-7-why-apple-killed-the-headphone-jack?utm_term=.iaPVBOVPv#.ov70pA0dD https://www.buzzfeed.com/johnpaczkowski/inside-iphone-7-why-...
- anexprogrammer 10y agoIt's an accounting decision. Apple can make millions replacing lost and broken genuine Apple Lightning to 3.5 adaptors. Probably at £30 a time. They probably reckon on selling a ton of airpods too. Memories of all the feature phones I had with adaptors tells me they will break all the damn time. Kids have a happy habit of losing small things - adaptors and bluetooth earbuds. So that's 3 sales lost here - not buying 7's for the kids. They can put up with the iPhones they have, buy themselves (slim chance), or switch to Android. That's my popularity shot for a few days.
- deepinthewoods 10y ago>I would seriously move off iOS if I was making music with it. Audio latency used to be a HUGE advantage for IOS vs Android. It was their biggest USP in my opinion. Android has been improving but it's still not there yet. If the next ipad has this it will be the end for musicians using IOS.
- roryisok 10y ago> Can't charge while listening. That didn't even occur to me! Holy crap, what a design flaw. I'm glad I'm not an iUser today