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- koolba 11y agoI don't see homemaker (i.e. housewife, stay at home dad, etc) on there. I wonder if it's because it doesn't rank high enough or just wasn't included in the data set. I'd imagine that the higher paying jobs would lean more towards a single income household.
- the_mitsuhiko 11y agoProbably because that's not tracked as a profession beacuse it's not really one. You are tracked by what you actually learned. People become stay at home mums/dad in the relationship, not before.
- koolba 11y ago> Probably because that's not tracked as a profession beacuse it's not really one. Anyone who thinks being a homemaker is not a profession has no clue what it entails. If you consider a couple as a single unit, it's simply optimizing by specialization. When you look at the cost of baby-sitting/nannies it makes a lot of sense too. Why make $40K extra if I'm going to spend $35K on a nanny? > You are tracked by what you actually learned. No you're tracked by what your current position is. I'm pretty sure that office assistants who studied literature are still tracked as office assistants. > People become stay at home mums/dad in the relationship, not before. Exactly and this data represents a set of married people, not a set of jobs. If it doesn't include homemaker as an option then you've excluded all married single income households.
- dragonwriter 11y ago> Anyone who thinks being a homemaker is not a profession has no clue what it entails. Or just has one of the many common definitions of profession, for which homemaker doesn't qualify. E.g., the first definition in most dictionaries tends to be something like this "a paid occupation, especially one that involves prolonged training and a formal qualification." Homemaker is not, generally, a paid occupation, nor is it an occupation that requires prolonged training and a formal qualification. I think the desire to characterize it as a "profession" is that the social perception of the social value of professions has led to a desire to characterize any vocation with perceived social value as a "profession", and a perception that a judgement that something is not a profession implies that it is not a worthwhile vocation. > If it doesn't include homemaker as an option then you've excluded all married single income households. No, it doesn't. Its possible to have a married single-income household where neither partner is a homemaker. (Single income households where homemaking tasks are either shared or contracted out, and the non-income-earning partner devotes their bulk of their time to tasks that are neither income-earning nor homemaking exist -- my perception is that they are more common among higher income groups, but that's not the result of any systematic study.)
- 300bps 11y agoAnyone who thinks being a homemaker is not a profession has no clue what it entails. I was married to a stay-at-home mom for 12 years. When she moved into an apartment and left me with the 4,000 square foot house and our three kids I realized just how ridiculously easy being a stay-at-home parent is when you have kids in full day school. I'm a software engineer that works 40 hours per week from home and I have no trouble keeping up the house, the kids homework, the kids activities (karate, cheerleading and basketball right now) in addition to a full time job. For home cleaning and laundry I hire kids from the local university for $10 to $15 per hour from Care.com for a total of 3 hours per week. My soon-to-be-ex wife used to spend over 8 hours per day on Facebook. Not surprising considering she was literally sitting at home by herself for 8 to 9 hours per day. Her mom was a stay-at-home mom as well and she used to brag about sitting around at home all day and then when the husband would surprise her by coming home for lunch she would grab the vacuum cleaner and pretend to vacuum. Keeping up a house and taking care of kids over 5 is not a full-time job. Don't get me wrong - you can make it a full time job by being incredibly inefficient, doing things for your kids that they should be doing on their own and doing inconsequential things that don't matter to anyone if they aren't done. But other than that, being a stay-at-home parent is not even close to being equivalent to a full time job.
- bliti 11y agoCan we talk about your opinion of it not being a profession? I've always noticed that good homemakers share the same qualities of a good professional. Organized, punctual, good communicator, and good manager. They don't earn a paycheck from an employer, but neither do other professions. A home maker simply does not stay at home and watch TV (well, a good one). There is a lot of work behind keeping a home in good standing. Am I talking non-sense? If so, why?
- m741 11y agoProfession is literally 'a paid occupation' and homemakers aren't paid - so homemaking would be an occupation but not a profession. Furthermore, as the parent mentioned, there aren't really unmarried homemakers, except those who are independently wealthy. Someone may be a physicist or nurse and then _become_ a homemaker. All this isn't to to say that homemaking isn't challenging or exhausting (it can be), just that it doesn't really qualify as a profession. I don't think the parent poster was implying it wasn't difficult, just that it doesn't fit within the framework of professions.
- bliti 11y agoGood points. I did not consider it being an occupation and not a profession. Thank you.
- Grishnakh 11y agoYeah, it's a matter of definitions. A "profession" is something you do that you get paid for. No one sends paychecks to homemakers. An "occupation", however, is something you do to occupy your time (hence the term, "occupation"). Usually, they're one in the same, but not always: if you don't need a paycheck, you can have an occupation as a homemaker, a philanthropist, a volunteer, a socialite, etc.
- uremog 11y agoThis is exactly why amateur athletes cannot take money for their wins/etc. Because as soon as they do, they are professionals by definition.
- Amorymeltzer 11y agoWell, you wouldn't expect to, right? That's a category that doesn't exist UNTIL you get married i.e. you're not a househusband/housewife until you're a husband/wife. That's obviously a somewhat contrived subset, but admittedly this is ONLY looking at married couples. I'd be more curious how it handles change of career, for example.
- solutionyogi 11y agoIs it me or the visualization is very hard to follow? E.g. if you highlight the 'Dancers and Choreographers' section, it's not at all clear that more female dancers marry male welders.
- nilkn 11y agoOf all the lines starting at 'Dancers and Choreographers' which are initially red, the thickest one is by far the one that is blue at the other end and ends at 'Welding, Soldering, and Brazing Workers'. I think that's the intended way of drawing that conclusion from the graph. Overall I'm satisfied with the visualization itself, but it would be nice to have more sorting options.
- joehilton 11y agoThis is one of the interesting connections on the chart. My theory (being an ex-welder as well as a dancer) is that both of these are strongly one-gender dominated professions - almost all my welding friends were male and almost all my dancing friends were female (in three different states no less). And for the majority of marriages up to this point in largely heterosexual historical data, you don't meet many people of the opposite gender to marry in your regular day. The one exception is when set workers (male welders) are around a stage all day where the performers (female dancers) are doing the show. So you get these relatively few places to meet a potential mate that turn up in funny combos.
- neves 11y agoha! You are the guy who introduced all these female dancers to the male welders!
- erroneousfunk 11y agoOr perhaps they were just inspired by Flashdance?
- uremog 11y agoThank you, I was wondering why this was such a thick line.
- jldugger 11y agoInteresting, but sort of suffers from a few dominant trends: - white men without a college degree marry secretaries - white men with a college degree marry teachers It'd be more interesting to know how occupations shift choices away from other demographic factors.
- sremani 11y agoSoftware developers seem to be incredibly endogamous to me.
- x1024 11y agoDuh... who would take us? Have you seen us?
- pc86 11y agoProbably due to using words like endogamous.
- toyg 11y agoI love what these conclusions entail: female programmers are either lesbians, or so turned off by their male colleagues that they'll marry anyone else with a spread so wide to be statistically insignificant.
- js8 11y agoOr maybe the males are marrying anyone.. Oh, right! Now I realize the chart doesn't really show "other". It would be interesting to calculate entropy from the distribution for each profession.
- throwaway8818 11y agoYoga instructor is missing. That's pretty much the ideal wife (lots of free time, unreasonably fit), and I'd like to know what job to obtain in order to be pursued by yoga instructors. And DJ is missing. Which prevents us from confirming the hypothesis that DJ's do better than JD's. http://longorshortcapital.com/short-jds.htm http://longorshortcapital.com/short-jds.htm Most men seek the JD to “make a lot of money” which is really just a euphemism for “power over women.” This means you sign up for four years of college and four years of college debt, ... then three years of law school with its accompanying three years of law school debt... Over the entire course of this process the person who sought the opposite designation, the DJ, will be pulling more strange each night than the JD will in his entire life, all with a designation he obtained at no cost. DJ is the actual opposite of a JD as not only are its letters the reverse of JD but it goes before someone’s name not after. It comes at virtually no cost, requires almost no talent or taste, and lends itself to sleeping in and having anonymous sex with women who not only are not wearing sweaters but likely do not even own sweaters.
- elyrly 11y agoYoga instructor would drastically skew the graph
- busterarm 11y agoRecreation and Fitness Workers
- devonkim 11y agoSounds like basically your usual corporate middle+ manager that marries to there, which seems to somewhat bind rather tightly to the further left. This is really a hard graph to follow. There's probably a reasonable chord diagram arrangement that could help us filter through the data, but perhaps really this is too unwieldy for even a chord diagram due to the relatively high number of node vertexes to associate together.
- Kluny 11y ago> having anonymous sex with women who not only are not wearing sweaters but likely do not even own sweaters. Is there something inherently unsexy about sweaters?
- afinlayson 11y agoI guess I should stop using Tinder/OkCupid, and start going to teacher meetings
- PerryCox 11y agoThere are plenty of teachers on those apps.
- chocolatebunny 11y agoIts really weird but it does seem like most of my peers either married other people in software development or teachers. No idea why.
- nilkn 11y agoTeaching as a career gets a lot of flak for being underpaid, but in many cases it's actually paid pretty well on top of having solid retirement benefits, an incredible schedule, and a lot of stability. The pay, if it's low, is also not as much of an issue if the other partner makes a large amount of money, as is often the case right now for software developers. It can be an incredibly family friendly career. My SO is going into teaching, at least temporarily for a few years, in a medium-COL city. She'll be making $55k-$65k in base salary, depending on if she teaches 10 months or 12 months out of the year, plus full retirement benefits, and they also provided her with enough scholarships just for taking the job that she has no college debt at all. Meanwhile I know engineering graduates (not necessarily software) who started in roughly the same range, with considerable debt, not as much stability, no retirement beyond a 401(k) with a pitiful match, and just a week or two off per year.
- visakanv 11y agoTeachers have very, very predictable schedules compared to practically everyone else. They're part of a reliable industry. They have a very clear career progression ahead of them. They have holidays, maternity leave, etc. It's very conducive to marriage and raising kids. There are two things to consider from that. 1: people who want a stable married-with-kids life are likely to also want a stable, predictable career 2: People who happen to be in a stable, predictable career find it easier to say yes to marriage and kids
- everlost 11y agoNice visualization! Maybe they should have limited the colors to just the primary ones. I had a hard time figuring out the gradients in the middle.
- pbnjay 11y agoI find it interesting that many of the IT/Engineering/Tech jobs have a high degree of connectivity to elementary/middle school teachers. So the high salaries are helping to balance out the crap salaries.
- gedy 11y agoHmm, or maybe to balance out the lack of pensions and retirement healthcare after the techies burn out :-)
- awl130 11y agoor the balance of empathy/emotional intelligence
- mratzloff 11y agoOr maybe simply male-dominated field (social circle is mostly male) with female-domainted field (social circle is mostly female).
- meow_mix 11y agoLike the previous post stated, this is likely just because there are many nurses and elementary school teachers. There was no statement that the graph corrected for this.
- meow_mix 11y agoLike the previous post stated, this is likely just because there are many nurses and elementary school teachers. There was no statement that the graph corrected for this.
- lr4444lr 11y agoOr the unpredictable late night hours in IT with the teacher hours that work around a child's own school year and daily schedule.
- AndrewKemendo 11y agoThat's hilariously spot on for me. I'm a tech guy and my wife is a elementary teacher.
- jrmurad 11y agoMost interesting connection I saw: "Eligibility Interviewers, Government Programs" <-> "Unemployed, with no work experience in last 5 years"
- christiangenco 11y agoHah! They must marry their customers.
- monknomo 11y agoI think eligibility interviewers are just on the other side of being able to qualify for benefits, for the most part, so it's not _that_ surprising
- jrmurad 11y agoFor some of the couples, yes. Some more might result from corruption or fraud (e.g. "I'll make sure my colleague processes your paperwork... he'll make sure you get accepted") Or, less cynically, some could be because it's easier for spouses of someone who is in the bureaucratic system to navigate/utilize it.
- Spooky23 11y agoI like Explosives workers and Librarians
- mklim 11y agoEDIT: Nevermind, some commenters further downthread pointed out that the visualization was adjusted to always show same sex lines. For me it was some of these jobs not having heterosexual lines in both directions. "Electrical Power-Line Installers and Repairers", "Pipelayers, Plumbers, Pipefitters, and Steamfitters", and "Welding, Soldering, and Brazing Workers" don't have any female -> male lines at all if I'm reading the charts right, just male -> female and female -> female. "Miscellaneous Office Support Workers", "Receptionists and Information Clerks", and "Preschool and Kindergarten Teachers" are the reverse. It makes sense given that gay people are more likely to be gender nonconforming and all of those jobs are gendered very strongly, but still interesting to see the extent of it.
- burger_moon 11y agoI guess it's not much of a surprise how often Truck Driver comes up considering it's one of the largest professions in the US.
- Grishnakh 11y agoIt'll really suck for them when we have driverless trucks.
- VeejayRampay 11y agoIt won't. They'll simply shift to another job. It's not like they're absolute idiots, they can learn a new trade.
- Grishnakh 11y agoLike what? Driving a taxi/Uber? No, that'll be automated too. Working at McDonald's? No, that'll be automated too. Becoming a software engineer? If they were any good at that, they would have done it already. The fact is, all these low-education jobs are going away in the near future, to be replaced by robots and automation. We're not going to need hordes of poorly-educated people to work any more.
- elorant 11y agoThe usability of the page is pathetic. First, the fonts are too small. If you enlarge then you can't scroll horizontally to see the rest of the titles because the lines get in the way. Didn't anyone think to make the graph clickable instead of just mouse-over. And on top of everything we have the heading of the site that floats and gets in the way. Fucking hell. Someone saw the graph and said, wow let's just use it because it looks awesome. Sure it looks awesome if you have a couple dozen labels, not a gazillion of them
- humbleMouse 11y agoI like the graph and small box for typing a filter. Works great for me.
- suneilp 11y agoOn my mac using Chrome, if I pinch zoom I can see the text and scroll around for what I want, then pinch zoom out and don't move the pointer.
- mikejholly 11y agoHow do they sleep at night!? /s
- nmc 11y agoWorts part: the search implementation is very poor. Typing "Teacher" will give you the following options Postsecondary Teachers, Special Education Teachers, Secondary School Teachers, Other Teachers and Instructors, Preschool and Kindergarten Teachers. However it will not give you Elementary and Middle School Teachers.
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- peter303 11y agoBusiness Insider has run several articles of the urban college female "problem". With 30% more females obtaining college degrees currently than males plus that males generally dont marry up, there is a surplus of 20-something college females in all metropolitan areas except San Francisco and Washington DC. Good news for guys then. One silly article tried explain the success of hookup apps is that more desperate females are willing to put out in this environment.
- ticviking 11y agoHow is that silly? It could be that commitment and sex have become inverted in order as the preferences of the scarce "resource".
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- djcapelis 11y agoAs a queer woman, I have to say this doesn't seem like a problem to me and I think you've made some bad assumptions about who this is good news for.
- Chris2048 11y agoWhy as a queer woman? How's that relevant?
- run4yourlives2 11y agoShe means it's also good news for her...
- Chris2048 11y agoThe surplus is caused by a lack of suitable males, implying a surplus of heterosexual females. Unless a lot of these females are bi, it's not much of a boost.
- pj_mukh 11y agoThere is a job called "Computer operators"? Isn't that just, Everybody?
- Spooky23 11y agoThink blue collar IT. In the old days, the grunt who watched mainframe batch jobs and fiddled with printers. If you see grumpy old people wearing overalls or non-khaki pants in a government or bank datacenter, you've spotted the operators. Sometimes help desk types get categorized this way.
- Gracana 11y agoMy guess was data entry people.
- quaffapint 11y agoTIL There is an occupation called 'Gaming Cage Worker'
- zevyoura 11y agoIt's the person who works in the "cage" in a casino, i.e. exchanges money for chips and vice versa.
- pc86 11y agoIt seems odd that there are enough of them to warrant their own classification as opposed to a general gambling or even recreation classification.
- toyg 11y agoI expect it's a legal thing. Most people involved with the gambling industry have no qualifications whatsoever, but the act of dealing cards is extremly formalized (for obvious reasons), so there is probably a specific designation in law for dealers.
- etrautmann 11y agoThis is absolutely brutal to use. I'd like to search for something specific but can't ctrl-f, and visually searching is useless. Very cool in concept
- stillsut 11y agoType your search into the search box labeled "Select a job..."
- krinchan 11y agoThe number of professions that connect to registered nurses seems really high. Especially in the gay male community. Huh. looks at Facebook Wow. I do know a lot of gay male nurses. Disclaimer: I don't know of any stereotyping around that, but if there is, I'm certainly not trying to contribute to it.
- DiabloD3 11y agoThis chart is massively unusable. As a guy, what occupation do I need to be in to increase my chances of marrying a woman CEO?
- mhb 11y agoIt tells you in the introductory paragraph. You need to be a CEO. So better improve at reading the executive summaries.
- DiabloD3 11y agoI interpreted it differently. If you want to marry a male CEO, you have to be a woman CEO. I'm asking the reverse.
- mhb 11y agoNo. The article says In other words, female CEOs tend to marry other CEOs; male CEOs are OK marrying their secretaries. This means that female CEOs want to marry other CEOs. Male CEOs are happy marrying secretaries. If you want to marry a female CEO, you're best off being a male CEO.
- DiabloD3 11y agoIts official, I can't read. I swear it has to do something with that typeface they used, it just doesn't want to render well and my brain won't just come out and admit to this fact, so I keep trying to read it as if there is nothing wrong. Why do web developers do this?
- casca 11y agoIf anyone wants to improve the usability, data files are: http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-who-marries-whom/job-name.csv http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-who-marries-whom/job-... http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-who-marries-whom/pair-count.csv http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-who-marries-whom/pair...
- 1wheel 11y agoI collected the raw files used from the American Community Survey: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0ByZIeqREehZySFg3MTdoOVhYTk0&usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0ByZIeqREehZySFg3MTdo... It looks like I forgot to check in the R script used to process the .dat files to my gist https://gist.github.com/1wheel/a8e65b1576b750c5e3e3 https://gist.github.com/1wheel/a8e65b1576b750c5e3e3, but I'll add it when I get home. We also tried to use salary info like the magazine version https://twitter.com/adamrpearce/status/697844614754123776 https://twitter.com/adamrpearce/status/697844614754123776 did, but had some problems with slighty different occuptation categories: http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-who-marries-whom/salary.csv http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-who-marries-whom/sala... Interested to see what people come up with! This is a super interesting, rich data set that deserves much more than what I've done.
- amsilprotag 11y agoI'd recommend popping this into your console. $('.job-text').css({color: 'black'})
- stared 11y agoIf I get some time tomorrow, I will try to do a network visualization - a coincidence graph (like this one http://p.migdal.pl/tagoverflow/ http://p.migdal.pl/tagoverflow/) or something in the line for word2vec (job2vec? ;)).
- sendos 11y agoI sorted the data by which occupation marries within the same occupation the most: 13.9% Physicians and Surgeons 10.7% Textile Winding, Twisting, and Drawing Out Machine Setters, Operators, and Tenders 10.1% none 9.7% Farmers, Ranchers, and Other Agricultural Managers 9.7% Lawyers, and judges, magistrates, and other judicial workers 9.5% Miscellaneous Personal Appearance Workers 9.3% Veterinarians 8.8% Dentists 8.5% Miscellaneous agricultural workers including animal breeders 8.4% Postsecondary Teachers 7.6% Software Developers, Applications and Systems Software 7.6% Health Diagnosing and Treating Practitioners, All Other 7.5% Optometrists 7.3% Chiropractors 7.2% Pharmacists 6.7% Elementary and Middle School Teachers 6.4% Food Service Managers 6.2% Agricultural and Food Scientists 6.1% Physical Therapists 6.1% Gaming Services Workers 6.0% Upholsterers 5.9% Communications Equipment Operators, All Other 5.8% Air Traffic Controllers and Airfield Operations Specialists 5.8% Physical Scientists, All Other 5.8% Nurse Anesthetists 5.5% Chief executives and legislators 5.5% Real Estate Brokers and Sales Agents 5.4% Clergy 5.2% Marine Engineers and Naval Architects 5.0% Psychologists 4.9% Lodging Managers 4.8% First-Line Supervisors of Retail Sales Workers 4.7% Miscellaneous Managers, Including Funeral Service Managers and Postmasters and Mail Superintendents 4.7% Medical Scientists, and Life Scientists, All Other 4.6% Secondary School Teachers 4.0% Textile Knitting and Weaving Machine Setters, Operators, and Tenders 4.0% Podiatrists 4.0% News Analysts, Reporters and Correspondents 4.0% Sewing Machine Operators 3.9% Bailiffs, Correctional Officers, and Jailers 3.9% First-Line Supervisors of Personal Service Workers 3.8% Tailors, Dressmakers, and Sewers 3.8% Economists 3.8% Musicians, Singers, and Related Workers 3.8% Environmental Scientists and Geoscientists 3.8% Property, Real Estate, and Community Association Managers 3.7% Insurance Sales Agents 3.5% Agricultural Inspectors 3.3% Butchers and Other Meat, Poultry, and Fish Processing Workers 3.2% Morticians, Undertakers, and Funeral Directors
- JoeAltmaier 11y agoDoesn't seem to be normalized? Lots of folks marry mostly teachers etc. Perhaps because there are lots of teachers out there?
- stephencanon 11y agoWas going to say exactly this; the data needs to be normalized by population of the professions to really show us anything.
- suneilp 11y agoChanging the font color to black helps usability a lot. Just enter this snippet in the url bar javascript:jQuery('.job-text').css('color', 'black'); With chrome, you might have to re-enter the 'javascript:' part.
- donatj 11y agoStrangely I find this more usable on my Android Phone where it presents a list than their fancy annoying graph.
- js8 11y agoSo Software Developers marry mostly within their own group? How does it stack with the gender imbalance?
- copperx 11y agoI hope not. That would be incredibly boring.
- ktRolster 11y agoMost software developers stay single?
- HeyLaughingBoy 11y agoThis is interesting. Of all the married software developers I know, none are married to another developer.
- Jtsummers 11y agoDoesn't mean mostly (majority), just means the largest block. If 10% of software devs are married to other software devs, and the remaining 90% are scattered across 100 professions with no single pairing exceeding 10%, then dev<->dev marriages will show as the largest.
- necessity 11y agoWe clearely need quotas for female truck drivers. What an absurd disparity!
- rdtsc 11y agoAgricultural workers marry each other a lot. Also lawyers and judges marry each other. Software developers too. But apparently we also like to marry nurses, middle school teacher and accountants. But male and male marriages for software developers are somehow with recreation and fitness workers. Meter readers don't marry other meter readers too much. Guess,once you define something so narrowly it would present a different picture. Education related professions seem to marry other education-related professions but in administrative positions (or "other instructors") and somehow also marry various "managers" And truckers apparently are fond of bartenders, just like dentists seems to like to dental hygienists.
- jordache 11y agothe people behind this are no Mike Bostock.. crap visualization
- neves 11y agoSoftware developers (men) marry Recreation and Fitness workers (men). Maybe we should use this data to incentive gay men to become software engineers! At least would bring some diversity to my profession.
- JabavuAdams 11y agoMost of the non-straight people I know are in software. It really doesn't seem to lack diversity orientation-wise.
- sypher47 11y agoVisualization is very terrible
- sypher47 11y agoThe visualization is horrible
- dcposch 11y agoSurprisingly many of the comments here have a boorish, misogynistic tone. Please be respectful. This is Hacker News, not r/RedPill
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- sotojuan 11y agoIt's not that surprising... it's not that HN is like this, but this story wakes up people that have those opinions.
- tomp 11y agoSurprisingly many comments accuse others of misogyny without pointing out any specific instances or providing any argument whatsoever. It turns out that "sexist" is also a commonly used tactic for shutting down discussion.
- yorwba 11y agoI wonder what difference between "Software Developers" and "Computer Programmers" causes the former to marry mostly within themselves and the latter to prefer nurses, teachers and secretaries.
- OJFord 11y agoIf it's self-described, that's maybe even more interesting.
- usrusr 11y agoIf you apply exaggerated stereotypes and think of "software developers" as cool web x.0 startup UX whatevers who failed to find a more matching category and of "computer programmers" as Fortran-wielding remnants left over from the IBM age, it does not seem all that surprising anymore.
- dba7dba 11y agoI once knew a male high school teacher who was married to a Yale dropout, after 1 year. He told me she had gone to Yale to meet someone to marry well. Apparently common that time, 40 years ago. Although it didn't quite work out well for her. He was a great msn husband but not a doctor or lawyer...
- jchoksi 11y agoSo disappointed. Was looking for the connection that shows who super models marry, so that I may plan my career like wise.
- seunosewa 11y agoMy guess: Talent agents & managers, sportsmen, actors, photographers, male models, musicians.
- zhemao 11y agoIf I'm reading the viz correctly, it's actually truck drivers.
- sanoli 11y agoGo for model instead of super model. The aesthetic difference is negligible, and i'd guess the egos, on average are smaller.
- litmus 11y agoSomeone please explain to me Emergency Management Directors (men) --> Probation Officers (women), overwhelmingly beating out teachers and secretaries. wat.
- GSimon 11y agoExplosives Worker -> Librarians I guess opposites do attract.
- KMag 11y agoMaybe it's survival bias. Explosive workers who spend a lot of time reading up on the latest industry literature after work survive longer than those who hit the bar after work? (Yes, if the death rate made a measurable difference here, OSHA would step in.)
- justin_oaks 11y agoI think it's funny to notice how people are saying "If you want to get married to a (some profession) then you should work as a (other profession)." We shouldn't think that the correlation implies a cause. This data doesn't track what people's professions were before they were married, or how the professions change over time. It would be interesting to see how people changed their profession as a result of getting married. For example, when people get married they're probably less likely to have jobs that require a lot of travel.
- tcfunk 11y agoI would have guessed Fence Erectors would be most likely to marry Republican Presidential Candidates, but I guess I'm wrong.
- kmod 11y agoAt first I found this fascinating -- "data shows that CEOs marry assistants" is a good narrative about gender attitudes towards marrying. But as I played with it, I was kind of bummed to learn: most male professions tend to marry assistants, since there are a lot of married female assistants (second only to teachers for females). I did a quick search for who male Programmers, Executives, and Janitors marry (tried to pick a diverse set), and then filtered out the top five female occupations in this data (Teachers, Assistants, Nurses, Misc Managers, Salespersons). The remaining results were: male Programmers marry female Programmers, male Executives marry female Executives, male Janitors marry female Janitors or female Maids. So I whipped up a script that, instead of measuring the absolute frequency, normalizes the data set against how often the target occupation gets married to. ie instead of just counting common pairings, it measures "how much more likely is profession X (compared to the general population) to marry profession Y?". For male CEOs, the result is: they marry other CEOs. Male CEOs are 12x more likely to marry a female CEO than males in other professions are. They are also 12.6x more likely to marry embalmers! 7x more likely to marry Announcers, 5.3x more likely to marry "Dancers and Choreographers", and 4.9x more likely to marry "Public Relations and Fundraising Managers". They are only 1.2x more likely to marry a Secretary than other males are. For male programmers, it is similar: male programmers are 20x more likely to marry female programmers than other male occupations are. This is because only 0.2% of men marry female computer programmers, but 3.4% of male programmers do. Male programmers also marry female Materials Engineers (20x more likely), Information Security Analysts (13x), "Surveyors, Cartographers, and Photogrammetrists" (10x), and "Architects, Except Naval" (8x). I also picked one final way of slicing it: "how many more of these marriages did we see than expected" (expected based on the relation frequencies of the two occupations). This is another way of removing "well we would expect a lot of these marriages", but in a way that is less geared towards low-occurrence matches like CEO-Embalmer. For CEOs, the results are: CEOs, Misc Managers, Elementary and Middle School Teachers, Secretaries, Accountants and Auditors. For Programmers, it's: Programmers, Misc Managers, Other Teachers and Instructors, Software Developers, Accountants and Auditors. Anyway, this isn't to say that these other ways of looking at the data are any "better", they're just answers to different questions. I threw up the code in a gist -- sorry it's messy https://gist.github.com/kmod/ee6ac3c029641b39d0b6 https://gist.github.com/kmod/ee6ac3c029641b39d0b6
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- EGreg 11y agoFemale Models, Demonstrators, and Product Promoters partner with: Truck Drivers Miscellaneous Managers Retail SupervisorsLaborersRetail, SalespersonsIndustrial, and Refractory Machinery Mechanics
- zhemao 11y agoYeah, the model-truck driver connection is a real head-scratcher. It doesn't seem like they would often be in the same social circles.
- dghughes 11y agoThis reminds me of how it seems celebrities can only marry other celebrities. One exception is women celebrities can marry billionaires.
- exception_e 11y agoAn aside: This visualization's UX is rather poor but I'll let Bloomberg slide this time around because their 404 page is incredible: http://www.bloomberg.com/404 http://www.bloomberg.com/404
- dragonshed 11y agoEh, I'm a snob, I know, but I think the UX for both this and the 404 page is poor. For the dataviz, I noticed many nits, but for brevity I'll say this:, I think the visualization falls way short of communicating patterns in the data, or indeed illustrating any relative significance of a given match set over others. The design and the narrative need some work. I can see the gender matches are illustrated, but it isn't communicated why that is important. The D3 development work is adequate, but within that, there are some behaviors that could use some tweaks finesse (for example on desktop, when hovering across multiple items to a specific, the experience stalls slightly while calculating the graph updates for each item). The 404 page shows some personality for sure, so that's cool, but a 1.6meg choppy animated gif isn't exactly awesome, and the repeat-x doesn't add anything either.
- johnchristopher 11y agoThat's funny, I always got the feeling that almost every civil engineer I know were married to nurses, mid school teacher or childcare worker (and the occasional psychologist). Seems confirmed.
- NamTaf 11y agoNon-software engineers are really strange: Mech engineers marry registered nurses Elec engineers marry teachers Civil engineers marry teachers Chemical engineers marry secretaries Mining engineers marry teachers Nuclear engineers marry teachers With the exception of chemical engineers, there's basically no marrying inside the field.
- ScottBurson 11y agoI am particularly amused by the thick line between "Proofreaders and Copy Markers" and "Dispensing Opticians".