23 ms·
Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say
- deleted 11y ago[deleted]
- hollerith 11y agoI think the bar is to commemorate Gene Amdahl. I think the bar appeared before the attacks.
- oska 11y agoMy mistake. Thank you (and sciurus) for pointing that out to me. Here's [1] the discussion of the black bar in the Amdahl thread and I agree that it's a very proper show of respect for that man. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10557967 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10557967
- sciurus 11y agoWasn't the black bar already up for Amdahls's death?
- po1nter 11y agoAccording to iTele there are now 118 dead. Edit: Now it's up to 140. What a sad day :(
- vezzy-fnord 11y ago140 latest report.
- brwr 11y agoThe Guardian is reporting at least 140 at this point. Unfortunately, the number will only rise.
- toyg 11y agoReworded to avoid offence (hopefully): deaths are not irrelevant, but their exact precise number is irrelevant. What matters is the scale of the security failure, compounded by the fact that they suffered a similar one less than a year ago and they were currently on high-alert (because they've only just started bombing Syria). The knowledge that a network could carry out such a widespread and well-coordinated attack without being preempted, in a situation of maximum alert, will heavy on the minds of any French citizen regardless of whether victims were 118 or 119. Basically, the French security system has been revealed as completely ineffective. That is a huge problem.
- chinathrow 11y agoNo, the number of innocent killed people is never irrelevant. Every single dead person is one dead person too much. Full stop. Edit: no need to further downvote as parent has changed his statement. Thanks parent poster.
- toyg 11y agoOf course. But by the same reasoning, there is no difference if there were 1 or 118 victims, which is my point. It's not about keeping score.
- chinathrow 11y agoIf you agree that the number is not irrelevant, it would be very kind of you to revoke that statement. It's an insult to the dead and to the families of the dead. Thank you. Edit: no need to further downvote as parent has changed his statement. Thanks parent poster.
- rangibaby 11y agoThis kind of thinking led to the War on Terror, which led to a rise in extreme Islam which led to...
- hyperliner 11y agoNot all craziness is preventable by a security system.
- lnalx 11y ago118 inside the theater and 40 in other locations in and around Paris
- hardcastle 11y ago158 deaths in total, so terrible
- openborderslol 11y ago>Islam My thoughts and prayers with the dead and wounded and their families.
- deleted 11y ago[deleted]
- csvan 11y ago>Oversimplification
- deleted 11y ago[deleted]
- deleted 11y ago[deleted]
- nkg 11y agoIt keeps getting worse.
- leothekim 11y agoFacebook has enabled their safety check feature: https://www.facebook.com/safetycheck/paris_terror_attacks/ https://www.facebook.com/safetycheck/paris_terror_attacks/
- eveningcoffee 11y agoWhat is this?
- jacquesm 11y agoA way to let others know you're safe even if you can't get through to them personally.
- Asbostos 11y agoDoes that have any value beyond reinforcing people's irrational fear of mass deaths? What if you let your family know you're not one of the 100 killed in this attack then die as one of the 600 murdered in France each year by common crime? I saw this happen with the London bombings. A colleague was almost in tears because her son lived in London and she couldn't contact him on the phone. It turned out he was fine, as approximately everybody else in the city was too.
- ics 11y agoThere are more [geographical] disasters besides terrorist attacks. Tsunamis, hurricanes, earthquakes, etc. where it's much more likely for broad swathes of people to be affected.
- alexqgb 11y agoA good friend of mine headed up this project when she was at FB. Natural disasters were exactly what they had in mind. We were in touch earlier this afternoon, and she said this was not a use case they had considered.
- 11y ago
- jmspring 11y agoThe repeated attacks, heavy immigration of refugees...I'm hoping for the best, but I feel like there is a powder keg here. Whether or not it is based in any fact, how this is handled and plays out is a serious concern.
- PhasmaFelis 11y agoIndeed. I'm sure a bunch of dipshits are already claiming that this is what happens when you allow Muslims into your country, somehow. Gonna wind up hurting a lot more innocent people.
- chinathrow 11y agoIndeed - and calls for more surveillance will follow the next day. 100% sure. Terrible what happened, to say so. RIP.
- mikeash 11y agoCan we at least wait until people start saying these things before we complain? I'm getting tired of seeing a bunch of comments complaining about other people supposedly making arguments of which I see no trace.
- bonaldi 11y agoThere are people making that argument literally in this thread. They're not saying "Muslims" but they're using terms like "culture" as signifiers.
- mikeash 11y agoGo reply to them, then. Don't add to the clutter by repeating their arguments as a straw man.
- Swizec 11y agoOpen twitter. Every tweet on this topic has a bunch of replies complaining about muslims and migrants. Even the first comment on HackerNews contained an anti-islamic sentiment jabbing at the migrant crisis.
- DominikR 11y agoThanks @U.S.A. for supporting about every Jihadi terror organization on this planet. We Europeans wont forget that.
- Gibbon1 11y agoRemember we need the salifists as allies against communism.
- uxwtf 11y ago118 dead reported by AFP (80 inside Bataclan concert hall) and 4 terrorists executed by special forces
- kgwgk 11y agoexecuted?
- gnuvince 11y agoKilled.
- Swizec 11y agoMade unalive. I'm guessing snipers.
- kgwgk 11y agoThat definition made me smile. But executed has a quite definite meaning, I think. If anything, the terrorists have been executing people tonight.
- Keats 11y agoitele just said that 2 of them might have killed themselves using explosives in their belt
- hardcastle 11y ago"Evil thrives when good men do nothing" gotta put a stop to this
- user_0001 11y agoWhat should be done? Bomb the hell out of the Syrians? Surely they have suffered enough. Iraq III? Maybe this time.... maybe.... Send the ground troops into Saudi? Quatar? Acknowledging that some of ISIS / Al-Qaeda gripes do have some merit, stop interfering in other countries affairs, stop propping up dictators because they are "our" dictator. Something else? Unfortunately for the Syrians, my money is on bomb the hell out of them, trying to limit the number of "collataral damage" of dead women and kids, but hey, not our fault. And so we go round the merry go round again.
- serge2k 11y agoWell we can either change foreign policy and start a long road to trying to repair the damage done, bomb more, start another ineffective war, or somehow get the blessing of Russia and bring the full weight of the (actually fully committed and mobilized) western world down on Isis and everyone else who fucks with us. Now obviously option 1 is probably the best approach, option 2 is the most likely, and option 4 is the one that is appealing in the wake of hundreds of innocent people dying.
- blisterpeanuts 11y agoWe have to concentrate on stabilizing Syria, Iraq, Yemen, etc., assist the Kurds and other moderate groups against the extremists, and be vigilant within our own borders, yet without sacrificing our liberties. Beyond that, there's not much more we can do.
- bronson 11y agoWe tried to stabilize Iraq, now we have ISIL.
- 11y ago
- deleted 11y ago[deleted]
- verta 11y agoThree Emergency protocols activated tonight to deal with the situation: Plan multi attentats: Sudden surge of multiple situations Plan blanc (in Île de France): surge of unpredictable activity of a hospital Plan rouge: when there are significant casualties in a small area
- verta 11y agoThe prevailing laws and rights in an Emergency Situation are gist'ed here: https://gist.github.com/fasterthanlime/faa2ae629d22f325beb7 https://gist.github.com/fasterthanlime/faa2ae629d22f325beb7 One important feature: Closure of public places Minister of the Interior or the prefects may "order the temporary closure of theaters, pubs and meeting places" and "meetings of nature to cause or maintain disorder" Wondering how the above affects the Internet/Mobile networks, even though they weren't any reports of any throttling today.
- zxcvcxz 11y agoI've seen a lot of HNers suggesting that we must over react and ramp up the war on terrorism. I'm all for cutting off immigration, but how will ramping up the wars do us any good? I don't see how another ten years "fixing" things is going to work.
- user_0001 11y agoObviously it won't. No one who thinks about it for a second can possible think it will. We terrorise you, you terrorise us. Only difference is we kill you in far greater numbers than you can ever dream of. The war on terrorism will end when a new enemy can take it's place. The smart money is on China, but don't never count the Red Menace out, good outside bet they come good at the last minute.
- Cthulhu_ 11y agoIt won't; a lot of people are radicalising just because of the 'war on terror'. As I said in another comment, what would you do if your family was bombed in a drone strike?
- gedy 11y agoISIS has a very fundamentalist view of the end of the world from their reading of the Koran, and are trying to hasten the "final battle". This belief was not "caused" by the war on terror or frustration with the west, though it does align with what they expect to happen.
- DGAP 11y agoWow, you literally side with the terrorists over the victims. Illuminating.
- ceejayoz 11y agoI think the point is that drone strikes that kill innocent victims can be a source of radicalization. Ignoring that aspect of our foreign policy would be idiocy.
- 11y ago
- iMark 11y agoI'm not entirely sure how I would define my guiding motivation in life, but I swear "do no harm" would be part of it. I despair at those who believe otherwise.
- Cthulhu_ 11y agoI'm not sure if I could keep a motivation like that if, for example, my family was killed by a drone strike.
- slantedview 11y agoPoint taken, though many of those who are inspired to take up arms against innocent people have no such legitimate grievance.
- lmz 11y agoWhat if your ideology believes that you should treat those killed by drones as your own family because you share the same ideology?
- noobermin 11y agoDid the people who they bombed operate drones? AFAIK, france doesn't conduct drone warfare. It could be, I suppose, that someone could simply hate western culture due to the acts of one nation, but that doesn't make it right. If you hate all Muslims because of the acts of few, you're most likely in the wrong. The same morality should apply to the people on the other side.
- jules 11y agoI would like to believe that even if my family was killed in a drone strike I would not go to a random country and kill civilians. Furthermore, I would like to see data on how many terrorists had families that were killed in drone strikes. My understanding is that the vast majority have other grievances, many of them theological.
- 11y ago
- blisterpeanuts 11y agoHeadline unfortunately is out of date. It's well over 100 deaths, according to major news sources, and unknown wounded. Just tragic and senseless.
- djfm 11y agoI live in Paris and was spending the night in the middle of the hot zone. I was a few hundred meters from the Bataclan but fortunately the area I was in was spared. I tried to get a Uber but they were unavailable, "State of emergency, please stay home", the app said. I took a city bike home, rode about 10kms and barely saw anyone in the streets all the way home. It was really, really weird. I'm awfully sad that people can be proud of having killed a hundred innocents. I'm not afraid, I'm just terribly sad. Please stop this pointless killing.
- bedhead 11y agoYou are trying to rationalize with people who are irrational. They don't reconcile. It sucks. It's depressing.
- rquantz 11y agoTerrorism is usually a rational act. It is terrible, but it has political goals. This, for instance, may be aimed at ending the European involvement in Syria and their taking in refugees.
- Fluid_Mechanics 11y agoWell, this one reeks of "revenge killing". The airstrikes must be taking their toll.
- charlesdm 11y ago> aimed at ending the European involvement in Syria I would be quite surprised if the EU decided against further intervention by this. If anything, I would expect them to intervene more.
- jacquesm 11y agoThey should do neither and simply carry on with the plans they had to date. Any reaction beyond police action to find out what the chain of command is and then targeting those individuals specifically is playing into their hands.
- rezashirazian 11y agoThis is scary. This was a well coordinated attack that usually create a lot of chatter before hand. Unlike lone wolf attacks these are somewhat easier to detect. The French intelligence and counter terrorism units are either not doing their best or these terrorist are getting much better at covering their tracks.
- stefantalpalaru 11y agoThey probably have more data than what they can process. The best they can do so far, in terms of prevention, is stopping the incredibly dumb: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/11/france-says-toulon-naval-base-attack-foiled-with-arrest-of-jihadist http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/11/france-says-tou...
- ThomPete 11y agoThey knew something was up they just didn't know what. http://sofrep.com/44480/french-and-german-police-knew-paris-attack-was-coming-a-month-prior/ http://sofrep.com/44480/french-and-german-police-knew-paris-...
- whoopdedo 11y agoThe weakness of security states is that to "win" the police need a 100% capture rate. The terrorists only have to be successful once.
- ThomPete 11y agoThat depends on how you measure success. Some would say that just avoiding one is a success.
- jacquesm 11y agoNo, it's much simpler: in an open society it is virtually impossible to defend against terrorism. In other words, you can't stop these things, even if you really want to once they are in the planning stage. The chances of foiling the attack or the attack being successful are about even. So the only way to get rid of these attacks is to either go for some kind of root-cause and to fix the problem before it can gain a foothold or to radically chance society. I'd hope for the former but I fear it will be the latter.
- clock_tower 11y agoI'm very curious about where the attackers got those firearms. France isn't as heavily disarmed as England, but it isn't exactly the United States for firearms availability; if any of the offenders' weapons can be recovered, I'm sure there will be interesting things to learn from their serial numbers.
- kryptiskt 11y agoThere are open borders in most of EU and it's a piece of cake to buy automatic weapons in eastern Europe, gangs in Sweden import theirs from Slovakia for example.
- clock_tower 11y agoI hadn't known that it was as bad as that! (Other posters here mention old Soviet arms caches, and the general surplus of weapons spread by the fall of Communism.) It sounds like the UK benefits quite a bit from being on an island... (Are they in Schengen or not?)
- e12e 11y agoThe UK and Ireland are outside of Schengen. Hence the improvised refugee/homeless camp on the Calais side of the tunnel.
- gozo 11y agoThat is only because up until recently you could buy blank fire guns in Slovakia that were easily converted to real guns. Otherwise most of the weapons are from the Balkans as a consequence of the war.
- mkhpalm 11y agoOutlawing guns is a lot like outlawing drugs. If you want them, you can get them.
- TomGullen 11y ago
- livatlantis 11y agoIn Paris right now. We are in shock. At both the scale and the extremely coordinated nature of the attacks on civilians at multiple locations. I work near rue Bichat and Le Petit Cambodge, a warm little restaurant in the 10e that my colleagues and I frequent, where people were tonight killed. The Bataclan is a well-known concert venue for metal bands, where I've seen several bands play live. Les Halles is at the center of Paris. Everyone who lives here has close connections to these areas; they took place very close to our everyday lives. Even those of us fortunate enough to know that our friends are safe are reeling from what has happened. This is the first time since the Second World War that France has declared a state of emergency. It's too early to come to any conclusions. It's too early to talk about immediate and long-term ramifications, about connections to the refugees, how these events will make France more 'communautariste'. That time will come, but it's too early right now. It's 2am right now, Paris is mostly awake. We mourn those who lost their lives.
- brwr 11y agoI'm glad you are safe.
- conradk 11y agoActually, this is not the first time that France has declared a state of emergency. It was declared in 1984 and 2005. And it was declared in Algeria in the 1950s and 1960s.
- asasasasasas 11y agoThe OP meant that this is the first time since WWII that France has closed its borders, which is true. For those curious about 2005 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_French_riots#State_of_emergency_and_measures_concerning_immigration_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_French_riots#State_of_eme... Edit: I was wrong, the President said the borders were closed, but then clarified that they weren't.
- janus24 11y agoThe borders are not closed, it's just a restoration of border controls.
- Geert_Wilders 11y ago"Religion of Peace"
- jondubois 11y agoThis soils the reputation of islam. I know some good people (muslims) who suffer from prejudice on a daily basis because of attacks like these. Being a muslim in a foreign country is an increasingly difficult and isolating experience.
- jacquesm 11y agoUnfortunately in the eyes of many that reputation could not get much lower. What is a bigger problem is that it will further divide nations regardless of reputation of a religion it will affect any and all who are perceived as either Islamic, Arabic, African, dark skinned or any combination of the above in a negative and measurable way.
- imaginenore 11y agoIslam soils the reputation of islam. It has a massive problem of large percentages of Muslims supporting (or being okay with) violence and terrorism. 42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall). http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60 http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-ameri...
- dang 11y ago> Islam soils the reputation of islam. No slurs, please. We've already banned one account for turning this thread into a religious flamewar. Comments here need to stay factual.
- imaginenore 11y agoI did stay factual, I even provided a link. If you're going to restrict speech, restrict all mentions of religion, not just the ones that contradict your preconceived notion.
- deciplex 11y agoIndeed. The moderation in this thread has been supremely disappointing. Your post contained no slurs, only an interpretation of data along with a link.
- staunch 11y agoI hope the people in Paris for the dotGo conference are okay. http://www.dotgo.eu/ http://www.dotgo.eu/
- littletimmy 11y agoThe war on terror has been going on for 15 years now - are there more terrorists in 2000 or 2015? Sooner or later, we will have to come to the realization that terrorism cannot be eliminated by force. Stop destabilizing Arab countries, stop imperial interference in Northern Africa, and perhaps we'll see an end to this nonsense.
- teleclimber 11y agoI agree with you. Unfortunately these attacks tend to strengthen the resolve of the people who want to reshape the middle East. The other complicating factor is that not-intervening will mean sitting on our hands while civilian populations get badly treated by their governments. What to do? what to do? I don't know the answer.
- rythmshifter 11y agoI'm curious, under what logic would this stop or get any better if we allow the cancer to grow?
- littletimmy 11y agoBy the same logic that a wound heals when you stop poking the scab. If there's any lesson from the past 15 years, it is this: state engineering does not work. Period. You cannot control it. You don't "allow" anything. You cannot stop anything. The forces are beyond your control. Americans and Europeans have to step out of the colonial mindset of trying to control the world. Then we'll have peace.
- oldboyFX 11y agoThen we'll hopefully have peace, perhaps. > By the same logic that a wound heals when you stop poking the scab. Except that our governments see themselves as providing first aid to an infected wound. Infected wounds only get worse without treatment. > If there's any lesson from the past 15 years, it is this: state engineering does not work. Period. Their intention was (probably) good, execution on the other hand was less then stellar. > You cannot control it. You don't "allow" anything. You cannot stop anything. The forces are beyond your control. 1940's France would beg to disagree. The Allies in WW2 clearly stopped the Axis powers and controlled their aggression. > Americans and Europeans have to step out of the colonial mindset of trying to control the world. Agreed.
- roadbeats 11y agoCalais Jungle (where refugees stay) is on fire: https://mobile.twitter.com/Harryslaststand/status/665329170340155392 https://mobile.twitter.com/Harryslaststand/status/6653291703...
- coldcode 11y agoRight now we don't know who these people are, where they came from and what their aims were (besides terror). Of course terror is exactly this, you don't know, you imagine the worst, and everyone reacts, often pointlessly. I wonder why France?
- imaginenore 11y agoWe know exactly who they are: islamists. We have video recordings where you can hear them yelling "allahu Akbar" while shooting. 42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall). http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60 http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-ameri...
- auntienomen 11y ago42% is appalling, but so what? What's your conclusion? (Recall that a majority of Americans have no problem with dropping bombs on foreign civilians.)
- pbhjpbhj 11y ago>a majority of Americans have no problem with dropping bombs on foreign civilian // What's your reference here? I'd be quite shocked if people "had no problem" with such actions; "felt they were justified" is entirely believable however.
- imaginenore 11y ago42% in a western non-islamic country is huge. My conclusion is that Islam is not compatible with the western cultures, with things like freedom of speech, freedom of religion, personal freedoms, and it's a huge mistake for Europe to allow so many of them in. You don't have to believe me, listen to the muslims themselves talk about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV710c1dgpU&t=138s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV710c1dgpU&t=138s
- deciplex 11y ago
- jayess 11y agoClearly more NSA surveillance is needed.
- fasterthanlime 11y agoI've started a translation effort of the 'State of emergency' French laws + some relevant press releases from the government: https://gist.github.com/fasterthanlime/faa2ae629d22f325beb7 https://gist.github.com/fasterthanlime/faa2ae629d22f325beb7 Feel free to suggest improvements in the comments and/or request other relevant documents to be translated.
- stephenhuey 11y agoMy wife and I were just there for part of our honeymoon and literally flew out hours before, around noon on Friday. Some locals had talked to us about the recent attack some weeks ago and how they didn't want to let such people stop them from living their lives. This day is worse but I feel like the lovely people we talked to were determined, resilient and optimistic. God bless the city with peace.
- Radim 11y agoI sincerely wish your post ended before that last sentence. I realise yours may be just a figure of speech, but I find it in such bad, sinister taste to start bringing more gods and blessings into this tragic event. Really?
- usaphp 11y agoI don't understand how can you talk about ISIS, Nazis and Communists in the same sentence? Communism has nothing to do with violence compared to ISIS and Nazis... Edit: Why downvotes? Idea of communism does not propose violence, Nazis and ISIS on the other hand do.
- Svip 11y agoI think he might be talking about Stalinism. Or at the very least, just Stalin.
- usaphp 11y agoSo you think Stalin was as bad as ISIS and Nazis? edit: Why downvotes? I've asked a question, I wonder how western people see Stalin in history. I as Russian see him as the one who was involved in defeating Nazis
- jules 11y agoWe can debate on his motives and methods, but in terms of death count he is as good as any. But you are right that ISIS is more evil in this sense: if ISIS had Stalin's power and military apparatus, they would do more damage than Stalin ever did.
- deleted 11y ago[deleted]
- lemevi 11y agoAs a Russian do you know about the purges he enforced? What is your opinion about the killing of people just for being educated or having having grievances with stalin's governing. Is it OK to kill people for disagreeing with government policies? Like even the post-Stalin soviet government had disowned him.
- usaphp 11y agoI am absolutely against that, but I am also against blatant lie and made up figures attributed to people died under Stalin's regime, just look at the comment list here, people saying any kinds of figures from 10 to 100 million deaths, so tomorrow somebody who reads this chat will pick the figure which is more appropriate to his point of view and bring it up in his discussion which will be complete lie and un-official data, which will result in more wrong opinions like that.
- olliepop 11y agoEvery Twitter user has jumped aboard and is using the hashtag #PorteOuverte which is intended to help Parisians find a safe place to stay during these attacks. It's even trending in Australia. This shows that Twitter is a successful news aggregation and trend following service, but also proves its failure to be a platform for meaningful communication.
- theseatoms 11y agoHow has it failed as a platform for meaningful communication? Aren't you reporting its success in this area?
- NickNameNick 11y agoPeople expressing something (sympathy, judgement, whatever) are crowding out the messages of people trying to co-ordinate requests for support and offers of support. It's cool that the twitter user in Australia has a message of sympathy. But if you urgently need a safe place to stay in Paris, and you can't find the people making that offer, in a place meant for that offer, because the non-parisians are making too much noise, then that's a problem.
- theseatoms 11y agoAh. I misread OP's comment. Yeah, that's bad situation.
- saryant 11y agoThe feature isn't easy to find but you can limit a hashtag search to tweets near you. On the results page, click on "More Options" and select "Near You."
- ctdonath 11y agoFWIW: The recent book "Day Of Wrath" http://www.dayofwrathbook.com http://www.dayofwrathbook.com predicts where such attacks are going.
- dang 11y agoAll: when commenting here, as anywhere on HN, kindly remain civil and substantive. Religious slurs are not allowed, nor are personal attacks. We've closed this thread to noob accounts because of trolls. If you've got a new account and want to comment here, feel free to email hn@ycombinator.com.
- bane 11y agoMy heart and thoughts go out to the French people, Parisians and those who were killed and injured and their families. Je suis français
- Bud 11y agoLatest breakdown of fatalities available, from CNN and other sources: 114 and still rising at the Bataclan theater 19 at Le Belle Equipe bar 14 at the Cambodian restaurant 4 in the area of the Avenue de la Republique 4 outside the Stade de France (remarkably low death toll here given that there were two suicide bombers there)
- laichzeit0 11y agoIt would be interesting to see the number of wounded. There is usually a disproportionate amount of people wounded vs fatalities.
- 6stringmerc 11y agoOf all the wonderful and dangerous developments that technology has granted our species, I'm saddened to think that we have yet to find a pathway to the human spirit that can help reduce hatred and the impulses that result in such terrible actions. From school shootings in the US to warlords in distant lands, there's so much yet to achieve in the name of progress, for human kind. Surely, we have much to do, and as tragedies continue to befall people of all nationalities, creeds, and colors, reaching for betterment hopefully can be a goal for us all. The sun shall rise tomorrow, and I truly hope each new day is one we can use to its fullest for the pursuit of life.
- Asbostos 11y agoDon't worry. Driverless cars are coming and the lives they save will quickly outweigh all deaths from terrorism and mass shootings. The US will be such a massively safer place without those 30,000 road deaths each year. It'll be able to sustain another 9/11 incident every year and still be safer than before. So I don't think we need to solve this problem. We're already well on the way to solving the real problems. Terrorism and mass shootings are negligible and don't need to be a priority.
- deleted 11y ago[deleted]
- 6stringmerc 11y agoYou're missing the point - at the root of all societal discord is an intellectual and emotional disconnect, which is, practically speaking, now easier facilitated by technology. That is, people fueled by hatred are much more driven and capable of mobilizing with technological advances than groups who wish to address the root causes. Driverless cars are simply a "feel good" development, along the lines of bariatric surgery. I'm talking about getting deeper into the human psyche for the benefit of all mankind, which isn't a "negligible" type of pursuit. Also, if society valued lives via driving, people would be subjected to more rigorous testing using technology, not simply cut out of the loop.
- tn13 11y agoPrayers for those who died and their family members. A reminder than the free societies must remain and and continue to defend themselves despite such terror attacks. It is important that politicians don't cave into the political goals that these terrorists might have.
- narrator 11y agoI have have a few twitter accounts with news on very narrow topics, for example, machine learning news, and other niche technical topics. I just went through them all and anyone who mentions the Paris attacks gets unfollowed. If I ever want news about shocking violence going on on the other side of the planet with my Machine learning news I'll resubscribe. I get inundated every day with too much information. Getting the same shock news through 30 different channels is just ridiculous. Everyone thinks they're the modern day Paul Revere when really, I already know, and they're just being annoying.
- deleted 11y ago[deleted]
- deleted 11y ago[deleted]
- ausjke 11y agoThis will only get worse over time, in Europe and in US, more so in Europe as Europe is frankly slowly Muslimized(by 2050 they may become majority). It's the new reality. Western culture is under serious attack and the system is not designed to cope with terrorism like this _at_all_. Without security, talking about freedom is meaningless.
- laichzeit0 11y agoFrench should be concerned about losing more liberties due to knee-jerk reaction from politicians wanting to "do something". Mass surveillance under the pretext of anti-terrorism. Be alert.
- kid0m4n 11y agoWe visited France/Paris for our marriage anniversary back in June; and the city left a lasting impression on for over the course of 4 days. All I can say is; don't change your fundamentals. Then they have won. It's just a larger version of your bitcoin demanding DDOS bandits. Once you give in, humanity will fail. I am more worried about the innocent people who are going to suffer because of this.
- Animats 11y agoThe US terrorism alert level has not been raised, and there are no US terrorism alerts from Homeland Security following this.[1] PJM and CAISO (the two biggest US power grid operators) aren't showing any emergency actions or warnings. So the US anti-terrorism community isn't seeing an imminent threat. [1] http://www.dhs.gov/news/2015/11/13/statement-secretary-jeh-c-johnson-situation-paris http://www.dhs.gov/news/2015/11/13/statement-secretary-jeh-c...
- 13of40 11y agoAnd let me tell you, my evening was pivoting on what the terrorism alert level would be today. It was double-plus-orangy-red before, right?
- bryanwbh 11y agoThis is saddening to see how others view precious lives as a commodity. To those in Paris, stay safe.
- pknerd 11y agoI am as saddened as on Paris shootings and killing of innocents like I'm shooting and killing of thousands of Muslims in Syria, Palestine, Iraq and Kashmir. I hope Western Society/Media or elsewhere will not bring faith factor in discussion just like they don't bring it up during US shootings or killing in Palestine or elsewhere.
- deleted 11y ago[deleted]
- SebKba 11y agoReally sad. It's also depressing to see the response from politics. Border controls and more police presence. How likely is that to solve the underlying problems?
- 131hn 11y agoCafé, croissants, gouter d'anniversaire, et ce soir, j'irais voir Spectre parceque merde (i'm in Paris) ( Café, croissant, birthday party, and tonight, i'll go watch Spectre - as previously planned, because f.. them. )
- deleted 11y ago[deleted]
- kevindeasis 11y agoFrom reddit ChickenInASuit8h535: ISIS aren't really trying to "solve" anything in the countries they're attacking, the main motivation behind these attacks is to widen the rift between Islam and the West and bring more moderate Muslims over to their side alpual7h345: And I'm sure backlash and discrimination resulting from this attack will further alienate Muslims in France. I'm sure that's part of their intention, and I wonder why I don't see that being discussed much. Thanks for pointing that out.
- cLeEOGPw 11y agoThis is a losing game for us. If we don't make ANY backlash, then the terrorists will be encouraged to repeat attacks, as they see there are no consequences for their actions. Additionally, French will be more afraid of Muslims and will surrender whatever they have to them even more willingly, as they would feel helpless. On the other hand if we make backlash, more muslims will radicalize, again, increasing terrorism frequency. The only solution I see is finally admit that multiculturalism is a lost cause when only one culture actually trying for it to work (us), and expel all muslims that don't fit our culture, PLUS invest heavy money into converting current muslims to be more like us. Ban certain practices, etc.
- kevindeasis 11y agoSan Francisco seems to be a great example of multiculturalism. I have to admit that I disagree with a good amount of the things you said. I think that we will need multiculturalism to move forward. If we look back into our past, terrible things have come from preventing multiculturalism. What do you think about my statement?
- cLeEOGPw 11y agoWhat terrible thing came from preventing multiculturalism? None. On the contrary - terrible things happened BECAUSE of multiculturalism. Several groups of people cannot live as a community when their ideas of a community are different. "Multiculturalism" is only possible when the cultures WANT to live together. In our case here in Europe, whites want to live together with muslims, but muslims don't. Ant that is the problem. We can not fix it, only muslims can. And if they won't fix it, terrible things WILL happen. We are doing our part. It's time for other cultures to do theirs. And if they won't, we will have no choice.
- ioab 11y agoCondolence for the lost ones' families and Paris people. Such a tragedy for all humanity.
- dylanvalade 11y ago100+ is terrifying. While it's still morning here, 80,000 people are estimated to have already died today. (http://www.worldometers.info/ http://www.worldometers.info/) If these reports are accurate then we have a staggering average above 4,000 violent daily deaths. (http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/7/2/104.full http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/7/2/104.full) (http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/67403/1/a77019.pdf http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/67403/1/a77019.pdf)