12 ms·
Finally, it will be possible to flip someone off via emoji
- gwbas1c 11y agoWe've had \.|.. since as far as I can remember.
- beobab 11y agoIs it really necessary to have another way to insult people on the internet?
- robbrown451 11y agoI'm really trying to see this as a positive. Sorry, but I just can't do it.
- deleted 11y ago[deleted]
- nothrabannosir 11y agoNo need. The Unicode Consortium is not a therapeutic institution. It's about humans and their language, not about happiness. The Unicode Consortium is a non-profit corporation devoted to developing, maintaining, and promoting software internationalization standards and data, particularly the Unicode Standard, which specifies the representation of text in all modern software products and standards. The Unicode Consortium actively develops standards in the area of internationalization including defining the behavior and relationships between Unicode characters. - http://www.unicode.org/consortium/consort.html http://www.unicode.org/consortium/consort.html
- Pyxl101 11y agoThe primary use of this icon will most likely be friends joking with each other. I don't see why this is a bad thing. Friend A: <Joke at Friend B's expense> Friend B: <REVERSED HAND WITH MIDDLE FINGER EXTENDED> As I write this, it reminds me a bit of http://bash.org/?23396 http://bash.org/?23396
- zamalek 11y ago> It's about humans and their language Particularly relevant because e.g.: * <OK HAND SIGN> is offensive in Brazil. * <THUMBS UP> is offensive in the middle-east. Unicode assigns numbers to the symbols. Humans assign meanings to the symbols.
- marcosdumay 11y ago> <OK HAND SIGN> is offensive in Brazil. Well, not really. It may be, or may not. People use it as an Ok symbol too, what makes it quite useless for either use.
- cnvogel 11y agoThe Unicode Standard, Version 7.0 Miscellaneous Symbols and Pictographs -- Range: 1F300–1F5FF http://unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-7.0/U70-1F300.pdf http://unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-7.0/U70-1F300.pdf Chart Page 4 at Codepoint 0x1f595 Description on Page 14: Hand symbols 1F595 REVERSED HAND WITH MIDDLE FINGER EXTENDED https://codepoints.net/U+1F595 https://codepoints.net/U+1F595 http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f595/index.htm http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f595/index.htm
- deleted 11y ago[deleted]
- huuu 11y agoEdit: mmm HN doesnt allow posting or can't save the UTF-8 middle finger.. Edit2: It appears that HN is blocking most unicode chars because people used it for spammy titles.
- TazeTSchnitzel 11y agoThat's correct, I asked about it recently: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10156894 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10156894
- micheljansen 11y agoJust learned about it's neighbour at 0x1F596 ("RAISED HAND WITH PART BETWEEN MIDDLE AND RING FINGERS")
- cnvogel 11y agoGiven that there are 4 possible places between fingers where to put a separation (2⁴), two hands (⨯2), and each finger could be extended or bent (⨯2⁵) and the hand could be shown from front or back (⨯2), I'm actually quite amazed that they haven't shown due engineering diligence and spent a whole 2¹¹ codepoints to, for once and for all, solve the problem of displaying hand gestures... Even though some will be quite challenging to perform.
- bentpins 11y agoIt is allready implemented in Windows 10, although it doesn't scale down well. I'd paste it here but HN doesn't seem to support Unicode emoji, which is odd
- DanBC 11y agoOne of the reasons is that people were cramming unicode into submission titles. This is why we can't have nice things. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10156894#up_10157836 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10156894#up_10157836
- pbhjpbhj 11y agoI recall a thread where the title used Unicode bold text - can't find it now, was curious how HN handled archived threads with Unicode.
- Drakim 11y agoI've never quite understood the emoji thing, can somebody explain it to me? Why are "funny" symbols and pictures being put into the Unicode standard? I thought the point of extending the standard with symbols is to accommodate languages that use symbols for writing.
- pluma 11y agoPart of the reason Unicode exists (other than encoding every possible writing system) is to unify existing encodings. Emojis come from Japan where mobile operators used proprietary encodings to transmit emojis in text messages.
- Drakim 11y agoAh, that makes a lot more sense! I thought we had people sitting around talking about what funny picture to put in Unicode next. It's much more understandable if it's something that already exists that's being "ported in".
- wodenokoto 11y agoI think we have that now. The Japanese emoji that have been standardized are kindda culturally skewed, but suddenly became very available world wide and a lot of people around the world want their culture to be represented equally. Hence the whole skin color deal.
- masklinn 11y agoAnd flags. The original japanese emoji set only has 10 country flags (japan, korea, germany, china, USA, france, spain, italy, russia and the UK), the Unicode consortium added 26 REGIONAL INDICATOR symbols used in pairs to encode territorial flags using CLDR region subtags e.g. U+1F1FA REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER U followed by U+ 1F1F8 REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER S => 🇺🇸 (USA flag)
- 11y ago
- flurdy 11y agoAnd the V sign is there but the reverse two fingered salute is not. Though perhaps that would lead to too much confusion and accidental offense between cultures. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_sign#As_an_insult https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_sign#As_an_insult
- shellac 11y agoAu contraire: U+1F594 Unfortunately they name it 'REVERSED VICTORY HAND', which might get people in trouble.
- flurdy 11y agoUsing this all the time now :) Thanks
- mmahemoff 11y agoLikewise, perhaps the most famous and heretofore controversial Emoji - "Smiling Poop Emoji" - symbolises good luck in the home of Emoji. http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/24687/1/what-does-the-stinky-poop-emoji-really-mean http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/24687/1/w...
- CPLX 11y agoI wonder if this means they will stop autocorrecting to the word "ducking" as well.
- madaxe_again 11y agoWhy the duck would they? This shut never gets old - almost a clbuttic.
- beefhash 11y agoYou graduated comedy school with magna semen laude, didn't you?
- V-2 11y ago"They", hm, who does that? Honest question
- paublyrne 11y agoApple.
- chadscira 11y agojust add shortcuts for duck/ducking to fuck/fucking, now no one will know when you're drunk.
- madaxe_again 11y agoWake me up when you can give someone a powerful electric shock via emoji. A control character, literally.
- TazeTSchnitzel 11y agoThis reminds me of a bash.org quote. http://bash.org/?4281 http://bash.org/?4281
- aaron695 11y agoThis is a symbol that will be used 10s of millions of times in the next few years. If not much much more. The fact it's even in discussion if it should be there is a huge free flow of speech rights issue. I'd like to think if you're on hn you see the problems around the fact this was not there years ago. I want a world were people can communicate exactly as they wish. Not by a standard, especially a standard with morals thrown in.
- omginternets 11y agoI don't disagree with the premise that free speech is important, but it's hard to argue that the absence of a middle-finger emoji is preventing people from being nasty to each other on the internet. This changes nothing of consequence (but I personally see no reason not to include it).
- userbinator 11y agoIndeed, people were already using _|_ before that. (I vaguely remember a bit of Haskell humour around using that sequence of characters...)
- chaosfox 11y agoprobably referring to the bottom type: ⊥ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottom_type https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottom_type
- TazeTSchnitzel 11y agoI suppose the advantage of a middle finger emoji is it can be understood across (some) language barriers, and it's more concise than a roughly equivalent written insult.
- deleted 11y ago[deleted]
- amelius 11y ago
- aaron695 11y agoThis is a symbol that will be used 10s of millions of times in the next few years. If not much much more. The fact it's even in discussion if it should be there is a huge free flow of speech rights issue. I'd like to think if you're on hn you see the problems around the fact this was not there years ago. I want a world were people can communicate exactly as they wish. Not by a standard
- 6d6b73 11y agoI may be a Luddite but I really prefer the old ways.. An ability to simply write FUCK YOU, or FUCK OFF is enough for me and is supported on all platforms.
- arxpoetica 11y agoIt's offensive, a sad commentary on humanity, and I don't mind being down voted on Hacker News for stating it openly. (Actually, if you really want to do things right, just flip me off, yes?)
- deleted 11y ago[deleted]
- waleedka 11y agoAgreed. And the OP going out of his way to push for it is sad. There are more important problems to spend your time on than trying to make it easier to insult each other. If you want to insult someone, you can still do it in English. Your freedom of speech is not restricted.
- mikeash 11y agoThere are more important problems to spend your time on than criticizing people in internet comment sections, yet here you are.
- Karunamon 11y agoWhat's even sadder to me is the idea that a universal pictorial language is subject to moralizing. The idea is facilitating communication, not just that which is judged by you to be positive.
- rch 11y agoMaybe this will help make a case for including a means for users to disable any and all emoji if they choose to do so.
- derrickdirge 11y agoIn what sense is it "a sad commentary on humanity?"
- monstruoso 11y agocry me a river?
- ts330 11y agoGiven enough time, we may just have a modern Emoji pictograph set to rival that of the Chinese.
- moomin 11y agoThis serves as a reminder that the Unicode standard is remarkable US centric at times. Where's the guy flipping the bottom of his chin? Where's whatever the equivalent in Bangladesh is? (I'm sure there is one...)
- robgough 11y agoInteresting point. Why isn't the unicode standard just "obscene hand gesture" (or similar?) and then localisation can take care of the rest?
- jerf 11y agoI pulled open the standard as linked by cnvogel and expected to see what is in a sense the exact opposite... a list of all vaguely practical hand gestures, with the middle-finger merely one in a sea of gestures. While it is in the middle of some other more generic gestures, some of which definitely have obscene connotations in some cultures [1], it's less exhaustive than I've come to expect from Unicode. See also [2] which lists some cultural middle-finger equivalents, some of which show up in the Unicode list, or in the case of 1F594 ("peace") easily can if the icon designer is not careful. (In fact I think the Unicode sheet shows the obscene-in-the-UK variant.) I sort of expected to be able to make a crack about it being a bit culturally imperialist not to include the middle finger just because the US considers it obscene, but instead it stands out more than I expected, so I can't. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-ok#Negative_connotation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-ok#Negative_connotation [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_finger#Similar_gestures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_finger#Similar_gestures
- kaolinite 11y agoEmoji is actually more Japan centric, hence the numerous sushi emoji, bento box emoji and various other Japanese items.
- moomin 11y agoYeah, that's the DoCoMo legacy shining through.
- Grue3 11y agoCan you set the skin color or it has to be a yellow hand? For when you need to add a certain specific racial factor to your insult?
- dpflan 11y agoHere is the link to the full list of new emojis mentioned in the article: http://9to5mac.com/2015/09/09/ios-9-1-emojis/ http://9to5mac.com/2015/09/09/ios-9-1-emojis/ Cheers to more symbolic expression and communication!
- sakopov 11y agoOf all of the even mildly helpful things a person can do with their time, this guy decides to rally for adding a "fuck you" emoji and then decides to blog about it like it's a life-long accomplishment... This is just very sad.
- jstalin 11y agoAgreed, people should only dedicate time to things approved by you.
- lighthawk 11y agoI'm less concerned with the middle finger and more concerned with the addition of tacos and unicorns!
- chinathrow 11y agoIt's already on Android ie via WhatsApp.