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syzarian
4y ago
Nice reference. It’s a source from 1986 about text written thousands of years ago. Well before so called woke culture. I wonder if BaculumMeumEst will admit to jumping to conclusions and realize that they might be a victim in this instan
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No. I live in the area and there are places near Lake Street that police simply won’t go to unless it’s a violent crime in progress. One councilman from south Minneapolis, before George Floyd, mentioned that in his district police took th
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Here’s a report regarding police domestic violence. https://olis.oregonlegislature.gov/liz/2017R1/Downloads/Comm... I agree with what you wrote and largely agree with it. It’s a tricky situation and I don’t p
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I did misread it! I had to reread it twice because I would have sworn on a stack of Bibles that the column label said “per 100,000”.
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4y ago
According to the FBI webpage you linked to it was 40 murders and non negligent manslaughters per 100,000 people in SF. I don’t know the nuances of the definitions involved so maybe the non negligent manslaughter portion is what causes the
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4y ago
I agree with your point. Thank you for the clarification.
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You said SF hasn’t had a lot of A. I know you meant in relation to other U.S. cities but the fact that people think SF doesn’t have a lot of A is indicative of how shell shocked we are, so to speak, as a people when it comes to accepting v
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We have a very high incarceration rate and our penalties for convicted felons tend to be quite high in comparison to European countries. When you talk about not adequately punishing violent people are you talking about violent crimes in wh
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Murders in the U.S. are very high compared to other rich nations. San Francisco has a very high murder rate compared to cities in Japan, England, France, Sweden, etc.
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To illustrate how bad things are in the U.S. it should be noted that SF’s low murder rate is quite a bit higher than London’s murder rate. London had 124 homicides last year with a population of 8.7 million people. SF had 40 murders per
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4y ago
A great many police are not anti-crime when it comes to one of their own. For instance, police engage in domestic violence at a higher rate than the general population and are rarely arrested for it. Police violence, and we are talking ab
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4y ago
You are good at missing the point. Clearly what is being talked about are things like beating suspects after they are in custody. We are not talking about justified use of force that police are legally allowed to do. If I was filed beatin
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You do have a capacity for missing the point and context. The “this” in my first sentence referred to what someone said. Specifically police pulling back when challenged. No reasonable person thinks police should never use force and no o
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Can you point who said in this thread that police should never use force? https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/2/3/22263444/new-chicago-p... Note that Burge was arrested for lying to a jury during a civil l
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I apologize. Replace non judicial with illegal . As I wrote non judicial I was thinking of situations like beating a suspect already in custody.
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This means that the spirit of law should reflect the necessity that arresting criminals gets higher priority than prosecuting cops. I don’t think you understand the implications of what you just wrote. I thank you for stating this becaus
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Obviously no one is saying force should never be utilized by the police. Are you unable to understand or imagine a police force functioning in such a way that they use reasonable force to apprehend suspects and don’t beat with impunity tho
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Clearly you are incapable of a reasoned, nuanced discussion on this topic. You should try reading what has been written dispassionately. No is suggesting that there should never be a violent interaction between police and suspects. Clear
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Obviously it was hyperbole. Instead of addressing the essence of the point made you counter with this. Your response says much about how strong the argument you responded to is.
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I don’t disagree with the essence of your point. I suppose I fall further to the side of accountability than you do. I don’t think it’s too much to ask that people not be beaten once arrested. That people not be met with violence for exer
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In case you aren’t aware, people can only hold a couple of jobs and one time and it’s ok for them to critique policies and actions of people in jobs they don’t have or ever intend to have. I can criticize a politician’s performance even th
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One should expect to live in a society in which police are not immune from breaking the law. When they mete out non judicial punishment then they should be held accountable for it in the same way I would be held accountable.
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It should be expected to have a police force that enforces the laws while not allowing police to mete out non judicial punishment. It’s possible for police to do their job without needing to beat whomever they want, whenever they want, wit
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In the U.S. my sense is that police do not fear retribution by the public. They fear only being held accountable in the same way the public is held accountable. Police mete out non judicial punishment all the time and are almost never arr
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What consequences do they have from perceived racism that they fear it so much? When the white liberals (like me) of my city unite with poor people of color and decry an action of the police it does affect them. They are human and critic
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The Wire is the best TV series in my opinion.
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This has happened in Minneapolis. Since George Floyd police in Minneapolis have effectively stopped doing their job. When one of their own is treated by the law like anyone else would be they retaliate by refusing to work. Police feel ent
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You have pointed out the essential part of the policing problem. Anytime police are given genuine punishments for excessive force the entire department’s response is to stop doing their job. Another problem I see is that in some cities (mi
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I think parent is saying we manufacture more today in the U.S. than we did 30 years or so ago with fewer people.
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The boredom caused us to be more social and to actively seek out people with whom to engage with. The isolation that the internet causes and the lack of walkability that is caused by a car centric culture are not good for us as a species.
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