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Obviously no one is saying force should never be utilized by the police. Are you unable to understand or imagine a police force functioning in such a way that

Obviously no one is saying force should never be utilized by the police. Are you unable to understand or imagine a police force functioning in such a way that they use reasonable force to apprehend suspects and don’t beat with impunity those that are already in custody? Police in Minneapolis murdered a suspect and the response to the offending officers being convicted by a jury was to stop doing their job and you appear think this is a reasonable response. It is disheartening that you appear to be so willing to go along with with whatever police do all in the name of safety. Do you really view the world in such a way that you can’t comprehend having a police force that does it’s job without beating suspects who are already in custody?

pandaman 4y ago
Obviously we are listening to different people because people say just that in this very same thread. Also I don't see Escadrones de la Muerte being a problem in Minneapolis or anywhere in the US for that matter, so what extrajudicial punishment you are taking about if you don't mind my asking?
- syzarian 4y ago
  Can you point who said in this thread that police should never use force? https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/2/3/22263444/new-chicago-police-torture-archive-details-acts-of-jon-burge-and-underlings https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/2/3/22263444/new-chicago-p... Note that Burge was arrested for lying to a jury during a civil lawsuit not for torture.
  - pandaman 4y ago
    It appears to be you, who claimed that the police actions should be judged just like everyone else's here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35452473 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35452473 Everyone else cannot really use force to arrest suspects and using force to prevent crime in progress is a very complicated matter for regular citizens too.
    - syzarian 4y ago
      You do have a capacity for missing the point and context. The “this” in my first sentence referred to what someone said. Specifically police pulling back when challenged. No reasonable person thinks police should never use force and no one is declaring otherwise. Police doing illegal things with impunity is what people are decrying. Are you deliberately being obtuse?
    - stametseater 4y ago
      > Everyone else cannot really use force to arrest suspects and using force to prevent crime in progress is a very complicated matter for regular citizens too. In most states, anybody can use force to arrest criminals, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen%27s_arrest#United_States_of_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen%27s_arrest#United_Stat... Of course the devil is in the details. I wouldn't risk my own neck by attempting a citizens arrest in a place like SF, because I think the prosecutors/etc there would be more interested in making an example out of me for daring to care, than punishing the actual criminal. Evidently the police of SF feel similar.
      - pandaman 4y ago
        "suspects" != "criminals". And we had just recently seen what happened to a gentleman who merely filmed such an arrest[1] of such a suspect, have not we? So yes, technically you can use force and do a citizen arrest if you don't care about consequences. 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Ahmaud_Arbery#People_involved https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Ahmaud_Arbery#Peop...
        stametseater 4y ago
        You can do a citizens arrest if you're quite sure you're in the right.

pandaman 4y ago

Obviously we are listening to different people because people say just that in this very same thread. Also I don't see Escadrones de la Muerte being a problem in Minneapolis or anywhere in the US for that matter, so what extrajudicial punishment you are taking about if you don't mind my asking?

syzarian 4y ago
Can you point who said in this thread that police should never use force? https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/2/3/22263444/new-chicago-police-torture-archive-details-acts-of-jon-burge-and-underlings https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/2/3/22263444/new-chicago-p... Note that Burge was arrested for lying to a jury during a civil lawsuit not for torture.
- pandaman 4y ago
  It appears to be you, who claimed that the police actions should be judged just like everyone else's here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35452473 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35452473 Everyone else cannot really use force to arrest suspects and using force to prevent crime in progress is a very complicated matter for regular citizens too.
  - syzarian 4y ago
    You do have a capacity for missing the point and context. The “this” in my first sentence referred to what someone said. Specifically police pulling back when challenged. No reasonable person thinks police should never use force and no one is declaring otherwise. Police doing illegal things with impunity is what people are decrying. Are you deliberately being obtuse?
  - stametseater 4y ago
    > Everyone else cannot really use force to arrest suspects and using force to prevent crime in progress is a very complicated matter for regular citizens too. In most states, anybody can use force to arrest criminals, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen%27s_arrest#United_States_of_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen%27s_arrest#United_Stat... Of course the devil is in the details. I wouldn't risk my own neck by attempting a citizens arrest in a place like SF, because I think the prosecutors/etc there would be more interested in making an example out of me for daring to care, than punishing the actual criminal. Evidently the police of SF feel similar.
    - pandaman 4y ago
      "suspects" != "criminals". And we had just recently seen what happened to a gentleman who merely filmed such an arrest[1] of such a suspect, have not we? So yes, technically you can use force and do a citizen arrest if you don't care about consequences. 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Ahmaud_Arbery#People_involved https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Ahmaud_Arbery#Peop...
      - stametseater 4y ago
        You can do a citizens arrest if you're quite sure you're in the right.