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robinsoh
5y ago
> I'm telling how patent litigation works in general and why you can't expect anybody to spoonfeed a random stranger on internet with a list of patents. I'm unsure what's with the "spoonfeed" remark, it seem
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> If there was a single eink competitor being used in products outside of China I'd say there are far fewer Microsoft operating system competitors than there are eink competitors. Also eink is an fpl manufacturer not a whole industr
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> I'm not sure why you find it so hard to believe that the Eink group has created 2000 display patents to use against competitors. I guess it is because I work in the display industry and I've never heard them talked about this
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5y ago
Just to confirm since this isn't publicly accessible, are you saying this actually happened with E Ink? as I mentioned I work in the display industry, and if something like that happened, surely we'd all be talking about it during
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5y ago
I'm trying to understand what you're trying to communicate but I don't get it. Could you elaborate what you're trying to say because it sounds like you're claiming patents are bad (absence of patents = innovation gr
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5y ago
> It’s interesting to see the comments on eink patents — I was never aware of how much it stifled innovation in that space! I'm really curious which comment that people are referring to because I happen to work in the display indus
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5y ago
> they usually sue with these two patents I couldn't find a lawsuit referencing either patent. Is there a link you could help provide?
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5y ago
And I have to point out that just googling for E Ink patents doesn't help us understand what point you are making. It is the equivalent of me claiming that Microsoft is blocking operating system progress and then justifying it by givin
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5y ago
> Likewise, e-ink devices have largely had no innovation due to the patents of the e-ink corporation being used to stifle innovation. Uhm... I work in the display industry and have never heard this. They seem to be a typical display manu
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5y ago
> The e-ink patent is so frustrating. Hmm.. I keep seeing this on HN. I then ask which specific patent and I never get a satisfactory answer. But I'll keep trying. I work in the display industry and am not aware of any specific pate
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5y ago
> e-ink displays mentioned elsewhere here. where? not this one ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26143779 ) I hope because I questioned it and I'm pretty sure it is false and written by someone who isn't
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5y ago
> The price is more for good reasons like you’ve explained, but still just high in comparison. Yes, if you compare liquid crystal with volumes in millions of units per week with electrophoretic displays with volumes of at best a million
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5y ago
"e-ink is so insanely expensive" What do you mean? What specific type of display, what size of display, what volume and what is the price? I keep hearing this claim about "insanely expensive" , "patent troll" a
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5y ago
> Also, E-ink as a company in general is apparently quite nasty I work in the display industry. I haven't seen them behave in a nasty way. If you look at that comment you linked to, I questioned it and didn't get a reply. So I
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5y ago
It is certainly working for some people. Compensation of the CEO of Mozilla was $2,458,350. Salary alone for Director of Linux Foundation was $644,300 https://nonprofitlight.com/ca/san-francisco/linux-foundation I
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5y ago
> I think the price has to do with the fact that E-Ink sells these screens for a lot of money. and what is this price? what volume? I am curious what this is based on since you state that "fact" with a lot of confidence.
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5y ago
> OLPC was also ruggedised, had replaceable parts and had things like crank charging for areas with no/little power, it was a well thought out machine all around No, it did not. The crank charger was never supplied commercially, it
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5y ago
You are correct. Unlikely, but not impossible.
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5y ago
Unfortunately, I have no knowledge of it. I would go as far as saying the article is quite confusing because the author (Mike Kozlowski) says things like "ACEP achieves a full color gamut, including all eight primary colors, using only
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5y ago
> I think that as e-ink gets better and better refresh rates, Could you clarify your meaning? Because as far as I know, there hasn't been any improvement in "refresh rates". Typical update times are still around 600ms. Unl
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I work in the display industry. My take is neither will happen. Lets start with B. > B) Color e-ink displays get good enough for interactive use, movie watching, etc. There is no commercially sold genuine color e-ink today. Kaleido is a
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5y ago
You can buy mile long sheets of E Ink material today. I think it is only a couple of dollars per meter. But then you'll need to laminate a backplane of some form so your printer can print to it. Various barrier layers so that it will l
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> As I understand it, the main obstacle to cheap e-ink screens is actually licensing. Based on?
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As you said, this is from 2007. It is useful to see the impact of volume on price. See below the remark about a 2" E Ink display costing 2 grand. "At this stage, some of the products based on E Ink’s technology are little more tha
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5y ago
> The Jewish people were the indigenous people of that territory. In what way do they not rightfully control and occupy Israel? My maternal ancestry is of the Bering Strait islander and First peoples. Does that make me an indigenous pers
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> I am making a claim that there has been insufficient progress in e-ink space. Insufficient progress? How does one know what is sufficient progress? To provide an analogy to software, you're saying the equivalent of there has been
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> I saw it working on the OLPC, and it was great. Which one? I saw XO and it was terrible. I am genuinely curious, did you actually use it actively? Because a lot of people take a quick look and then use their first impression. My meanin
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I'm confused by your comment. You're making a claim that E-Ink is suppressing innovation. I state that doesn't seem to be the case in my industry, ie: the display industry. And you're asking me for evidence? Shouldn'
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> Pixel Qi transflective LCDs are no longer made. Because they were of poor quality, poor reliability and high cost. The Jepsen reality distortion field only lasted for about a year.
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> I'd say Eink is holding industry back because they've closed avenues for other companies to iterate on Eink's core patents. As I mentioned in my past comments, I work in the display industry and the only people I've
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