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robinsoh
5y ago
This has been covered repeatedly on HN. There's no evidence of this. Electrophoresis is slow because of the laws of physics! That's why a 2007 kindle panel's update speed is the same as a 2021 kindle but the contrast ratio an
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robinsoh
5y ago
> I recently read a paper on why an iridescent screen of an iPad or a smartphone is better for the human eyes than a reflective surface of electronic paper like E-ink. Doesn't sound intuitive at all. How did they measure "bette
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5y ago
> one has to wonder a bit why their owners are selling them off. electrophoretic displays, by the nature of their physics, are slow. If you're reading a book it is the best thing ever. But anything else where you want "interac
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5y ago
Your sister? Patents? Could you help us understand what you're trying to say?
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5y ago
Could you point to any data, circumstantial or otherwise that indicates a 1 cent device of this type? Perhaps you could elaborate on why you believe such a price point would be achievable or even offered. Otherwise, I'm sure you can un
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5y ago
> 10c is still too expensive for this type of mass production gadget. I would expect to see it priced at below 1c/unit. Is there any evidence for this? what volume do you mean by "mass production gadget"?
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5y ago
> I can only imagine the situation is similar if the original E-ink developers managed to patent all the necessary technologies to bloc everybody else. All this imagination is amazing to me as a person who actually works in the display i
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5y ago
> Don't forget that if e-ink wasn't patented, there's a good chance that it would be cheap enough to integrate into everyday utilities. Why do you (and several others on HN) keepi making this claim with so much confidence?
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5y ago
> Close 2nd place: e-ink. But unfortunantely there doesn't seem to be in the market an e-ink device of a decent size and price. I was going to agree with you. But then I googled the price of an Amazon kindle and those 7" screen
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5y ago
Their batting average is much better than you may think. Most technologies fail out. Remember the tonnes of people who fell prey to OLPC'S Jepsen claims about transflective being the next big thing. There's this funny thing called
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5y ago
> But it looks to me that the pricing for the display modules is holding that market back. Maybe because of a patent or something and not enough competition. Nope. It is volume. In the display industry, if you're selling less than a
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5y ago
> You'll have to take my word I didn't copy the same line twice... but as you can see, they're the same. So I don't necessarily think the waveforms are different per unit or batch. I believe you. Maybe they've so
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5y ago
> Do I get my nerd cred now? Have I satisfied you, all knowing hacker news poster? No, you have fundamental errors in your understanding of how electrophoretic displays work. That's not how waveforms work. You're confusing refr
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5y ago
> they signed E Ink's NDA and thus have access to whatever tool they use to generate waveforms, panel-specific or no why would you think this? Remarkable doesn't generate waveforms and have never claimed that they do. > it&#
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5y ago
> They've figured out all the difficult stuff about e-ink They meaning Remarkable? If so, then that's marketing-speak. The simple truth is that Remarkable's products all use NXP (formerly Freescale) controllers. The Remark
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5y ago
> the market has plenty of comments like "I wish it had e-ink display" and yet there are no affordable devices like this > I am sure there is a huge market for it, so where are they? I can only think of one reason: patents.
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5y ago
> minimum order quantity(MOQ) required for purchase at one time is between 10,000 to 50,000 Yes, that's quite reasonable. Approaching E Ink would be the equivalent of approaching Intel's tier 1 supply chain and asking what
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5y ago
and if you look underneath it, you'll see my comment asking for evidence which OP never responded to. I'm very suspicious of such unsubstantiated claims. I work in the display industry, not at E Ink, but have some experience with
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5y ago
> But there's a thread every other week on HN discussing why rolling out devices with E-Ink by small companies is extraordinarily difficult. where?
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5y ago
> Are these so cheap because it's old stock ED97 Looks like an ancient Vizplex panel. I would guess 2010s timeframe. Probably fine. Newer EPD controllers are still backward compatible I think. > Or is this price what OEMs actuall
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5y ago
> From what I've seen working on an e-reader, > f you want to use the nice partial refresh waveform, the open source aspect of this is going to run face first into secrecy requirements. The company selling you the display control
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5y ago
> And here's a short explanation of the impact: https://creax.com/insights/the-influence-of-patents-on-3d-pr ... I read the article and came away unsatisfied. I was hoping to see a clear analysis like "here
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5y ago
> The fact that there aren't really any major competitors to E Ink in that market indicates however that there probably is some sort of moat (whether it is IP, or otherwise)and that prices are likely higher than they would be in a m
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robinsoh
6y ago
> patent law was incredibly counterproductive in the case of 3D printing. I don't work in the 3d printing industry so I don't have enough knowledge to know that with any level of confidence. It sounds plausible but not sure if
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6y ago
> e-ink displays and 3d printing have both convinced me that patents do more harm than good these days. I work in the display industry. Not for E Ink. But I have no idea what you're talking about. I see this claim about patents on
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robinsoh
6y ago
Read my comment history. Also, please try to be respectful in future on HN. If you make an unproven unsubstantiated claim, and someone says you're mistaken, ask yourself for your own references first.
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6y ago
> due to the patent/monopoly situation That's factually wrong. Debunked many times on HN and yet still repeated.
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robinsoh
6y ago
> spends a whole lot of time explaining why he is different and we should all put up with his social ineptitude because he didn’t know better. I can't help but observe that this type of organizational "put up" is reserved
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6y ago
> I don't recall it ever having been proven that Minksy had sex with anyone. I'm obviously open to being corrected on this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Minsky " The Minskytron or "Three
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6y ago
I don't know any of the people involved. But seeing stuff like: "Mr. Stallman’s behavior clearly has a basis in his handicap. " This is a strong claim but seems to be made without any explaination or evidence and it is surpri
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