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Twitter's Throttling of “What Is a Woman?” Was Not Censorship(removed.substack.com)
12 points by rhaksw 3y ago|1 comments
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by rhaksw 3y ago
I'm the author. Thanks for the mention below! A friend brought this post to my attention. I also have a substack now [1]. My talk from last year [2] did spur some discussion on HN [3], but it was too long for most to sit through. To be
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by rhaksw 3y ago
You'll get no argument from me that Reddit could achieve more by doing less content moderation.
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by rhaksw 3y ago
I'm not sure how ads and eyeballs are incompatible. The internet has been running on ads since forever. Yeah I don't like them but I understand why they're there.
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by rhaksw 3y ago
There is so much they don't understand about their own product. Their motto "dive into anything" means go deep. Yet logged out viewers are only shown a depth of one or two levels of comments, and they recently toyed with drop
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by rhaksw 4y ago
Thanks for the heads up, dang. I'll take it elsewhere.
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by rhaksw 4y ago
Upvote for the dissenting view which should be heard. Your two points both came up in the replies to my post, yet no example was ever given. Do you have some intractable cases to share? In my replies I also suggest that shadow removal of a
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by rhaksw 4y ago
All it means is that people with unpopular views are punished without being told. That is neither good for them nor good for the community.
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by rhaksw 4y ago
> What proportion of shadow banned accounts continue to do this on any given day though? There's an example linked in the post where someone continued posting on Reddit for years before they noticed. It's also quite common for
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by rhaksw 4y ago
> Given how many shadow banned accounts keep going on their unacceptable tirades well after they've been banned, means it is good to keep them. This position completely ignores the harms that come from non-disclosure of moderation d
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by rhaksw 4y ago
Good question. Discourse forums do not do it, at least not by default. And isn't Mastodon's content moderation reviewable? So there are exceptions.
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Shadowbans are bad for discourse, and here’s why(meta.discourse.org)
27 points by rhaksw 4y ago|54 comments
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by rhaksw 4y ago
> Some subreddits apparently ban you for linking to personal websites on them. The "no self-promotion" policy originally came from Reddit. Reddit assuaged the wording in 2013 [1] but it's still used by the most popular sub
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by rhaksw 4y ago
> (he still gets plenty of flak but imo that is undeserved) Yeah I don't think it's possible to escape the criticism even without taking a position. That said, of the two options, I agree that not wading in may have less of a c
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by rhaksw 4y ago
> Huh, I'm one of several mods for a Sub-Reddit. Works fine. Reddit is mostly anonymous, which can make people think they can do whatever they want as moderators/users without any repercussions. Of course that isn't true:
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by rhaksw 4y ago
> Every profession develops their own lingo over time. In this case, Twitter packages up two objectively observable things, people you follow and people who are popular, along with Twitter's own opinion about who the bad-faith act
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by rhaksw 4y ago
Yes, that's a great case for considering ideas for their merit rather than idolizing individuals. I'm also curious to know what his guiding principles are but maybe we're stuck reverse engineering them based on his actions. S
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by rhaksw 4y ago
> Anyone who has been in a tech company knows that there is internal lingo that refers to features we devs make. But it's presented as being an "Orwellian language" The fact that you need different internal descriptors sho
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by rhaksw 4y ago
It would be great to have all of that data. Even just being able to see the status of your own account would be interesting.
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by rhaksw 4y ago
Wake me when Twitter starts showing which users have been de-amplified: > Twitter is working on a software update that will show your true account status, so you know clearly if you’ve been shadowbanned, the reason why and how to appeal
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by rhaksw 4y ago
> It's hard for me to take you seriously when the issue you complain about at such length involves so little hardship. It seems you feel that secretive online censorship is not a big deal. I don't see the point in trying to con
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by rhaksw 4y ago
> Sometimes people, being imprecise, ignorant and/or lazy, call those techniques "shadow banning", but that isn't what they are. What umbrella term would you use for moderator actions that are kept secret from the a
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by rhaksw 4y ago
You're mistaken. I tweeted twice, once with the .win link, once without. The one with the .win link does not appear even when logged in as a different username. It does appear for me when I'm logged in as the same username.
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by rhaksw 4y ago
That article barely scratches the surface of what's going on. Reddit alone has tons of secretive ways to remove or hide content, some of which I list here [1]. Others I mention in my talk [2]. [1] https://www.reddit.com&#x2F
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by rhaksw 4y ago
> I use reveddit a lot on threads but never thought to use it on my own account. Thank you for making such a useful tool! No sweat. FYI there's also an extension for alerts, linked below. My main goal was to alert people to their ow
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by rhaksw 4y ago
It's not a stretch, and it fits the definition Twitter provided. You wouldn't be able to find the tweet unless I'd linked it. It's shadow detached from the parent. Personally I prefer the term shadow moderation.
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by rhaksw 4y ago
Platforms say it's for spam [1], which most people interpret to mean bots. I've never seen a platform provide an explanation like the one you give here. [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/comment
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by rhaksw 4y ago
The public is still going to interpret that as shadow moderation of people's content.
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by rhaksw 4y ago
It's not my intent to pick sides. I highlighted the left there only because parent focused on the right. Regarding shadow moderation, I can promise you that every side of every issue in every geography and on every major platform uses
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by rhaksw 4y ago
> Ther's no obligation to have dialog with others who are actively threatening to kill you. I never said there was. Even free speech law has limits and may punish such speech. What I advocate is for authors of secretly removed conte

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