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> Anyone who has been in a tech company knows that there is internal lingo that refers to features we devs make. But it's presented as being an "Orwellian langu

by rhaksw 4y ago

> Anyone who has been in a tech company knows that there is internal lingo that refers to features we devs make. But it's presented as being an "Orwellian language" The fact that you need different internal descriptors should be a red flag. All kinds of phrases get used like selective invisibility, visibility filtering, ranking, visible to self, reducing, deboosting, or disguising a gag. Each is a form of censorship, but that's a bad word since the days of Anthony Comstock so it is never used. Censors never describe themselves as censors. See the book "The Mind of the Censor", https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/58150067-the-mind-of-the-censor-and-the-eye-of-the-beholder https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/58150067-the-mind-of-the...

lathiat 4y ago
OK but at the same time Elon is proposing “freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach”. Which is basically the same thing, no?
- andrei_says_ 4y ago
  Regardless of what he says, his actions show he controls speech. What he said, says, or will say, doesn’t matter. Twitter is a global platform ideal for steering public sentiment, opinion, and influencing political outcomes. https://youtu.be/RII0eBszJJ4 https://youtu.be/RII0eBszJJ4
  - dzhiurgis 4y ago
    Steered into global sustainable energy and humans into planetary species by a tyrant!
    - solarpunk 4y ago
      The man who was just forced to buy a 44B company, and is liquidating shares in his self-driving car company to pay twitters rent, and is now beholden to weird Saudi financiers who bailed him out, is certainly not steering lol.
- rhaksw 4y ago
  Yes, that's a great case for considering ideas for their merit rather than idolizing individuals. I'm also curious to know what his guiding principles are but maybe we're stuck reverse engineering them based on his actions. Sticking to an ideal doesn't seem to be his style. I'm probably missing something. I don't follow him too closely.
- blitzar 4y ago
  > Elon is proposing “freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach” While proposing that Shadowbanning is a tool of the Woke Mind Virus destroying humanity ...
  - philjohn 4y ago
    The Woke Mind Virus is actually everyone who tries to paint not being an asshole as woke.
SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
> The fact that you need different internal descriptors should be a red flag It can be, and you're zeroing on sense where vague lingo like "enhanced interrogation" replaces plain "torture". But that's a stretch. Every profession develops their own lingo over time. They're called "term of art" (1) An example is when one sysadmin asks another to "bounce the box" - these words have specific meanings which are opaque to outsiders, but are brief and precise to insiders. This "internal lingo" developing is normal, inevitable, even necessary, and not in any way a "red flag". If the admins of twitter had several different terms instead of calling them all the same thing then ... maybe they just needed to be brief and precise, to distinguish between them, in order to do the job effectively? You're trying to invent a problem where there is none. 1 ) https://www.yourdictionary.com/term-of-art https://www.yourdictionary.com/term-of-art https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/term%20of%20art https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/term%20of%20art https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/term_of_art https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/term_of_art
- rhaksw 4y ago
  > Every profession develops their own lingo over time. In this case, Twitter packages up two objectively observable things, people you follow and people who are popular, along with Twitter's own opinion about who the bad-faith actors are. It's that last subjective part that is at issue here. Yet all three are lumped together under the term "rank" [1], and we are told it is the bad actors who are manipulating, not Twitter. I'm not calling for the demise of Twitter's former leadership, just calling out corporate speak where I see it. YouTube is at least transparent in this respect. They openly say that they "reduce" content [2]. [1] https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2018/Setting-the-record-straight-on-shadow-banning https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2018/Setting-t... [2] https://blog.youtube/inside-youtube/the-four-rs-of-responsibility-remove/ https://blog.youtube/inside-youtube/the-four-rs-of-responsib...

by rhaksw 4y ago

lathiat 4y ago

OK but at the same time Elon is proposing “freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach”. Which is basically the same thing, no?

andrei_says_ 4y ago
Regardless of what he says, his actions show he controls speech. What he said, says, or will say, doesn’t matter. Twitter is a global platform ideal for steering public sentiment, opinion, and influencing political outcomes. https://youtu.be/RII0eBszJJ4 https://youtu.be/RII0eBszJJ4
- dzhiurgis 4y ago
  Steered into global sustainable energy and humans into planetary species by a tyrant!
  - solarpunk 4y ago
    The man who was just forced to buy a 44B company, and is liquidating shares in his self-driving car company to pay twitters rent, and is now beholden to weird Saudi financiers who bailed him out, is certainly not steering lol.
rhaksw 4y ago
Yes, that's a great case for considering ideas for their merit rather than idolizing individuals. I'm also curious to know what his guiding principles are but maybe we're stuck reverse engineering them based on his actions. Sticking to an ideal doesn't seem to be his style. I'm probably missing something. I don't follow him too closely.
blitzar 4y ago
> Elon is proposing “freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach” While proposing that Shadowbanning is a tool of the Woke Mind Virus destroying humanity ...
- philjohn 4y ago
  The Woke Mind Virus is actually everyone who tries to paint not being an asshole as woke.

SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago

> The fact that you need different internal descriptors should be a red flag It can be, and you're zeroing on sense where vague lingo like "enhanced interrogation" replaces plain "torture". But that's a stretch. Every profession develops their own lingo over time. They're called "term of art" (1) An example is when one sysadmin asks another to "bounce the box" - these words have specific meanings which are opaque to outsiders, but are brief and precise to insiders. This "internal lingo" developing is normal, inevitable, even necessary, and not in any way a "red flag". If the admins of twitter had several different terms instead of calling them all the same thing then ... maybe they just needed to be brief and precise, to distinguish between them, in order to do the job effectively? You're trying to invent a problem where there is none. 1 ) https://www.yourdictionary.com/term-of-art https://www.yourdictionary.com/term-of-art https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/term%20of%20art https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/term%20of%20art https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/term_of_art https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/term_of_art

rhaksw 4y ago
> Every profession develops their own lingo over time. In this case, Twitter packages up two objectively observable things, people you follow and people who are popular, along with Twitter's own opinion about who the bad-faith actors are. It's that last subjective part that is at issue here. Yet all three are lumped together under the term "rank" [1], and we are told it is the bad actors who are manipulating, not Twitter. I'm not calling for the demise of Twitter's former leadership, just calling out corporate speak where I see it. YouTube is at least transparent in this respect. They openly say that they "reduce" content [2]. [1] https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2018/Setting-the-record-straight-on-shadow-banning https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2018/Setting-t... [2] https://blog.youtube/inside-youtube/the-four-rs-of-responsibility-remove/ https://blog.youtube/inside-youtube/the-four-rs-of-responsib...