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by rhaksw 4y ago
Presumably you eat at restaurants whose food you like and buy hardware whose quality you like. It's the same with social media. You can give attention to systems you support and share information about them. The alternative you propose
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Good question. No, I wouldn't support that. The current system works and there is still transparency. One of the two people in the conversation has a chance to review the content. It may be that inboxes are different from public or ope
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> I don't think it 'needs' to be done secretly so much as big companies cannot be bothered to get into fights over every moderation And then you get into a situation where it can be alleged that a whole political ideology,
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You're right the existence of shadow bans is old, but you're wrong that it's critical for a forum. Discourse doesn't use it, and Mastodon I believe is reviewable. So was Usenet. Kill files were controlled by users. Also,
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Thanks for your support! I think it's self evident that transparency is a better idea, at least the case of content moderation. The other way, full control via opacity, doesn't work out. You have to remove what you don't like
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Oh, thanks for making an account just to explain that!
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> "deliberately making someone’s content undiscoverable to everyone except the person who posted it, unbeknownst to the original poster." This happened to my tweet here [1]. It doesn't show up under the parent tweet [2]. I
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Agreed, it's rare for any service to outright say "we shadow ban" as done here [1] for example. And, most services still use a form of shadow moderation [2]. So it's perfectly fine to discuss here. Attempts to shut dow
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Ah right, only Taylor Swift and journalists matter. Nevermind where the next Taylor Swift and journalists come from. The platforms will decide for us!
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> I think there might be a reason two sides aren't talking. Both sides can certainly find a reason not to speak to each other. The left claims the right is hateful, the right claims the left is obscene. It's always been like th
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> I'm sure Snapchat, TikTok, Tumblr, YouTube, Pornhub They do, I list some here [1] > There is no smoking gun here Secretive moderation being common doesn't make it normal or right. It's certainly not widely known. Fo
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The point is people won't notice this because Twitter doesn't tell you your tweet was hidden . Does it make sense for Twitter to shadow remove tweets from a whole TLD? The fact that it needs to be done secretly is evidence that m
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> Yes, the secrecy does matter. Okay, good start. > We should censor for how things are said, instead of what is said. What? No. Platforms can censor whatever they want. The point is that users should be told when their content is
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One of those reasons is that people didn't know it was happening. Without that, bots will have a harder time taking over the system. Shadow banning only benefits bots because they're far more likely to check for the visibility of
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This way reveals to people whether or not they were impacted.
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There may be some wires crossed here. Reddit does show all removed comments to the people who wrote them as if they're not removed. I built Reveddit to reveal this. You can lookup a random user with this link [1]. There's a
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It sounds desirable but we shouldn't have to rely on whoever's in charge. Elon could say he's no longer shadow moderating and simply swap out who gets moderated. Or, if he really does get rid of it, the next guy could quiet
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> The "secret" aspect of all this can be largely ignored. I bet you would not like for your comment here to be secretly removed. In fact, many users are shocked to discover when this happens, as I share here [1]. [1] https:&#x
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It's surprising when you see it happen to your own content. Check out the reactions from people whose content has been secretly moderated that I quote here [1] These aren't far right or left, it's everyone. Likely all of us h
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All platforms secretly action content, not just Twitter. See my other comment listing some: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33916414
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> That's talking about article submissions, not comments Shadow moderation was implemented without doing any research. I agree it's about time more studies are done on all types of content and all platforms in order to assess w
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It's my blog's domain, which I got for $2/year, what's wrong with that? We should turn up our nose at everyone who bought the cheapest domain? Interesting you bring this up though because tweets mentioning .win domains s
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Indeed he did suggest "free speech doesn't equal free reach". If we're now saying that statement is bad then we should hold his feet to the fire. Conflicting statements doesn't mean there is no principle to espous
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Transparently removing content is the normal way to moderate a forum. This research [1] suggests it reduces mod workload because users learn the rules. Discourse doesn't secretly remove content and is popular. It isn't accurate to
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> none of this is new information It is news to many when social media takes action against content without telling the author: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33916519
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TYVYS?
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> How did you even find it? When you submit with the same link, HN brings you to the post. I'm pretty into this topic, having spent the last four years trying to raise awareness about it. First I thought it was only one political si
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Sadly, many don't even notice full account shadowbans [1] [2]. But account-level shadowbans are sort of known to exist. What's being reported here is harder to detect. That is, the secretive removal of individual pieces of content
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That's not the only newsworthy element. Saying that would gloss over the pervasive use of this secretive feature. The use of this stuff is probably in the companies' terms of use, patents etc. The public is still largely unawa
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Wow this post is #208 on HN: https://i.imgur.com/e4lQko4.png It's only an hour old. The post must've been flagged, which I know has a pretty heavy influence on the ranking here. For those flagging, this conversati

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