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patcon
7y ago
At risk of losing some people by stating some loose observations and findings with faux-confidence: Dense networks of human relations tend to lead to those humans creating specific network topologies in which liberal values tend to emerge.
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7y ago
I empathize with the concern. My mindblown moment in fretting over this was a realization inspired by social physics research and complexity science: Just enforce a shape of the social fabric instead of worrying about specific content withi
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patcon
7y ago
Heh *Yahoo Groups, that is
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patcon
7y ago
I do appreciate what you're saying here, so thank you. Don't get me wrong, I resist Google with all my might, and have actively organized against Sidewalk Labs in my city, and other projects from them. But I look at Amazon's
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patcon
7y ago
I refuse to love Google, but I do have love in my heart for Sergey and Larry. imho, the foundations of the corporate ecology that we've built seems to favour the creation of large companies with quite dehumanizing values at their core.
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patcon
7y ago
Oh God, I'm that guy . I'd been following this elsewhere, so didn't actually expect I'd get new info from the link itself :/ [opens mouth, inserts foot]
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patcon
7y ago
YES! It's like preserving ecological diversity. It's a store for later learning. Verizon is working in cold hard capitalism, and you can bet your lunch that they did NOT use Google Groups to hold their shared wisdom/history,
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patcon
7y ago
Great question! I'll take an amateur swing at a decent answer: People doing important work (esp important work that is underfunded) don't have time to write/record their own histories. But that history can be instructive, to
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patcon
7y ago
Maybe those who care (we?) could organize a campaign to get customers to commit to leaving Verizon if they let the messages be deleted without archive? That would convert it into the language they understand. To raise the perceived threat l
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patcon
7y ago
Maybe we're just supposed (in the sense of evolutionary/mimetic/entropic fitness) to be in conversation with all forms of structure; between order and disorder... like a devil's advocate or a high-confident grey [1] -- m
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patcon
7y ago
fwiw, I'm with you. Excuse the gratuitous war analogy, but I suspect the approach of OP is akin to talking about which first 8 steps to take (north-east, SW, S) when going into battle -- it's such a small scope of the whole event
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patcon
7y ago
I lived in a city park without an apartment for 2 years, mostly Toronto and SF. It didn't require much ($CAD unless stated otherwise): access to a kitchen once per day. a list of fave cafes. layered clothing. wool socks. 4 sets of unde
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patcon
7y ago
New to me as well, but referenced here :) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaluza%E2%80%93Klein_theory
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patcon
7y ago
It might be more apt a metaphor than it seems...? Resonant orbits might not be natural selection, but they might participate in a form of thermodynamic selection: two simple forms and structures selecting for and reinforcing one another.
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patcon
7y ago
Hm. We might be imaging different scenarios but I'll try to puts words to my agreement with the "dishonesty" thing :) Feels like it's shining the light of attention at the spot most aligned with human desires, but usuall
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patcon
7y ago
Heh sounds like you've maybe run across something quantified in the Hofstede leadership studies, commissioned by IBM when they first wanted to become an international globocorp. What you're feeling is the difference between a coll
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patcon
7y ago
Perhaps suited for some sets of things, but certainly not for the acquisition, display, or sale of fine china ;) There are many sorts of doings to which the bull approach is terribly ill-suited.
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7y ago
> But what happens when democracy reaches a conclusion that seems obviously unjust? In that case, we imagine a better democracy. If someone feels empathy is what makes their local democracy work better, and the further-above larger spher
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patcon
7y ago
> What us privileged few who work in technology see as using our position of influence for good, many other people may see as a small minority abusing their power to manipulate society for the worse. Nevermind "good" or "b
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7y ago
Ah good point. She found the structures in which commonses can thrive, the permutations of which past generations had stumbled through and "discovered" (which persisted through the practices surviving time). But then we forget the
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patcon
7y ago
ah interesting. thanks! I hear a ton about him (he lives in my city), but i didn't realize that the above was one of the cruxes of his philosophy...!
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7y ago
> Should we call them depressed or should we just call them human? But what if being human involves the delusion. Perceiving reality as it is might not be "normal", nor "human". (Pls CTRL+F my username elsewhere in th
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patcon
7y ago
This made me smile. You sound like a really empathetic less-empathetic person..! And I mean that in a grateful way. (By "less-empathetic" I just mean it sounds like you don't spend a ton of energy constantly doing social navi
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7y ago
This reminds me of this amazing TED Talk: Do we see reality as it is? (Donald Hoffman, cognitive scientist) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYp5XuGYqqY The intellectual bomb in the video is this: Organisms that perceive onl
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patcon
7y ago
Agreed. re: power. But perhaps I'm seeing that power relationship differently. I'm feeling very strong parallels with economist Eleanor Ostrom's view on governing natural commonses [1]. Basically, she spent 4 decades disprovi
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patcon
7y ago
This remind me of this wonderful article on fractals: https://aeon.co/ideas/feel-good-fractals-from-ocean-waves-to... tl;dr - human instinct guides us to prefer aesthetics with a certain "fractal dimension" (
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7y ago
Interesting. Thanks! Seems to validate and speak to the point: that these places are scarce (and so overcrowded) and valuable (as wealth has moved in and captured it as showpiece with low utility).
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7y ago
I've recently been intrigued by the Leiden Theory of language evolution. It basically suggests that language is perhaps better conceptualized as a separate organism that has co-ecological niche which happens to be the co-evolved biolog
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7y ago
> There's no reason we should expect that John Q Developer independently working on a bunch of NPM modules to be compensated by the world at large. With all due respect, I feel this is a lack of imagination. We could have said the s
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7y ago
Yep, feels like there's a bias in here. The "big experiment" that is on our radar (which is supposedly proving that free culture is a liability after all) is only big and on our radar to discuss because it reached such succes
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