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by morgante 10y ago
> Ultimately, I believe there's a variant of this pledge that should pass the "moderate Republican" test. I recognize that the current pledge does not and I don't think that's because everyone who has an issue wi
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by morgante 10y ago
There are plenty of things which are legal but unethical. Also that still involves me losing my job. A code of ethics let's me say "I'm not going to do that, and you can't hire somebody who will."
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by morgante 10y ago
How is "but Sergey Brin is Jew. So it's all bullshit" not an instaban? That's blatant and unabashed antisemitism. There shoud;n't be any place for it on HN.
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by morgante 10y ago
> The issue is that very few people would be willing to be treated by an unlicensed doctor. That's true today, mainly due to centuries of work to professionalize medicine. There was a time in history where much of treatment was basi
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by morgante 10y ago
Sure they could. It's not like the federal government can just ignore local regulations in the areas where it operates. Attorneys working for the government are all members of the bar in their respective jurisdictions.
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by morgante 10y ago
What exactly do you think is the substantive argument of "but illegal immigration?" Nothing in the article is about illegal immigration, nor is the discussion of a Muslim database about illegal immigration. It's a red herring
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by morgante 10y ago
> I think there already exists avenues to reject requests to do unethical things. Such as? Right now you're option is basically to quit.
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by morgante 10y ago
> Having misgivings about a code of ethics or about this pledge doesn't make someone an "alt-righter". No, but ranting about illegal immigration (a totally tangential issue) does.
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by morgante 10y ago
Actually, since 2010 anesthesiologists have refused to participate in capital punishment. [0] > In at least one case, the planned execution of Michael Morales, the execution warrant was stayed indefinitely due to the objection of the con
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by morgante 10y ago
Perhaps Congress won't, but that's assuming that government is unitary. Professional licensing is done at the state level anyways. It would be very easy to imagine, for example, California passing a law to establish/bolster a
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by morgante 10y ago
> We need a code of ethics for lawyers, with actual teeth (violating it means you can't commercially practice law any more). Eh, they wish it didn't. In reality, if geography really didn't matter then you wouldn't see
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by morgante 10y ago
You can have a bar without a bar exam, though I'm not against some type of standard exam for all software engineers. Not all guilds require licensing. It's not like you have to pass a test to be a screenwriter.
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by morgante 10y ago
We need to establish the idea that to work professionally as a software engineer, you must be a member of a professional organization. This could come through two paths: 1. Directly lobbying the biggest tech companies to institute it in th
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by morgante 10y ago
We need a code of ethics for lawyers, with actual teeth (violating it means you can't practice law any more). We need a code of ethics for doctors, with actual teeth (violating it means you can't practice medicine any more). You&#
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by morgante 10y ago
Doctors lose their medical license for deliberately harming people or engaging in inhumane experimentation.
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by morgante 10y ago
It's amazing to me how much pushback is coming against the simple notion that as professionals we should follow some standard of ethics. Nobody is proposing that you need a credential to code. Just to be employed as a developer at a re
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by morgante 10y ago
There are plenty of examples where legal ethics or librarian ethics have conflicted with government policy.
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by morgante 10y ago
You keep conflating unions and professional organizations. They're not the same thing.
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by morgante 10y ago
For the time being I'd rather focus on a professional association, since talk of unions will send those capitalist bros running for the hills (and I think ethics are more important than protecting our salaries). Also I think we're
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by morgante 10y ago
> National origin - don't you have to declare what country you were born in to visit/emigrate to the United States? Yes, but once you're a citizen you certainly shouldn't have your original national origin tracked. Or
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by morgante 10y ago
No we don't. Please don't bring in unrelated issues to muddle the waters. We can have a professional association without having a union.
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by morgante 10y ago
No, specifically not like a union in that there's no collective bargaining. I feel like people are acting deliberately obtuse. This isn't some radical proposal. Doctors have professional associations (with ethics requirements). So
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by morgante 10y ago
It's not a technical problem, it's a social one. Obviously we're not going to make it impossible to code without being a member of the developer guild. But it's totally feasible to make it so you can't get hired by
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by morgante 10y ago
I feel like you're trying to make some witty point, but it's actually totally nonsensical. Yes, I absolutely want a database of ethical software engineers and wholeheartedly support discriminating against people who aren't in
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by morgante 10y ago
> How do you enforce that? Target the big players (large tech companies) so that they'll only hire people who are members of the developer guild. We're not going to prevent people from ever building software, but permanently ta
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by morgante 10y ago
We need a code of ethics for software developers, with actual teeth (violating it means you can't commercially build software any more). Edit: it's amazing how much the alt-right has infiltrated Hacker News. The notion that we, as
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by morgante 10y ago
> Staying at a "nicer" more expensive hotel in not-the-ghetto doesn't make it safe or secure or have any less problems than the cheap ghetto ones. I've stayed in many hotels over the years at all different price point
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by morgante 10y ago
That's a totally tangential point. This discussion is about the likelihood of guests being stolen from, not of guests stealing from the establishment.
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by morgante 10y ago
> The current shelter system very often warehouses people in conditions that would not be acceptable for any kind of paid accommodations, whether it be temporary accommodations (like a hotel) or permanent (like an apartment or house). I&
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by morgante 10y ago
It's an easy way to exchange public keys and to introduce people to crypto.

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