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by md8z 5y ago
I don't understand what this has to do with the "unix philosophy" or what that is supposed to mean, and the base systems between Devuan and BSD are not compatible anyway. I mentioned that earlier, BSD doesn't use sysvini
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by md8z 5y ago
I don't understand what you mean base compatibility, a port doesn't happen until some interested party does it. It doesn't actually matter if it's in the ports tree or not, that's just a convenient place for BSD peo
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by md8z 5y ago
Yeah I get that but that's just restating the question. If you just want to look at it from that perspective then they would have found some other reason to break away and find value and there is nothing upstream could have done about
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by md8z 5y ago
Actually you may want to take a step back and read some of the comments, the behavior of "which" can be inconsistent even between two systems of the same distribution depending on what shell you are using.
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by md8z 5y ago
If you want to have intellectually stimulating conversations then please avoid using hyperbole, that's not a way to have a discussion. You can just mention your reasons for disagreeing instead of claiming that a differing view is indef
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by md8z 5y ago
I'm really not sure what you mean, that precedent has existed since the very beginning of BSD when it was forked off from Version 6 Unix and they decided to change some things. There are a ton of other upstream Linux/Solaris/
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by md8z 5y ago
Sorry I should have been clear. I've already seen all that, I know what the home page says, and I've used Devuan on and off since it was released. That doesn't really do a good job explaining and only seems to confuse the iss
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by md8z 5y ago
I don't really see how that's the case, systemd was always intentionally backwards compatible with sysvinit scripts. I'm not sure what other issues you're referring to but in most cases it seems one could probably just f
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by md8z 5y ago
You are misunderstanding, I'm asking what those differences of opinion or values are. That part has not been explained to me. It doesn't appear to be about init systems anymore, because Debian also has sysvinit and openrc and all
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by md8z 5y ago
Well no, it's still not entirely clear to me what Devuan does process-wise that is actually different from Debian. I understand that they have a different set of base packages but so does every other modified version of Debian, of whic
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by md8z 5y ago
The systemd library is just another library on your system, it won't interfere with your init just to have it installed. If you could mention these services that require it, we could look at the services and see what needs to be done.
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by md8z 5y ago
I'm not sure what "volumes" you're talking about. Those scripts already risk being broken and causing maintenance burden by depending on the non-standard behavior in the first place. If you actually had this specified in
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by md8z 5y ago
I think it may benefit to take a step back before assuming bad faith. The issue was (and still is) that "which" is not portable and it's difficult to detect what version you have installed.
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by md8z 5y ago
I don't understand why you would do that or what you would expect to happen, systemd itself is the tool that implements service-level firewalling.
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by md8z 5y ago
I've heard quite a lot of these reasons. In my opinion, most of them either come from a place where the person is missing some key piece of information, or their use case was already better served by other tools anyway. So the reasons
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by md8z 5y ago
"...by gluing GDM to Systemd, the Systemd developers made it very difficult for distributors to support other init systems. They basically forced everybody to switch..." I'm sorry but I don't buy this, I think you and th
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by md8z 5y ago
But don't we already call doctors as expert witnesses? And don't we already define various kinds of harm as varying by the person? None of that seems to to be controversial.
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by md8z 5y ago
Language that is meant to intimidate? It seems pretty clear to me that the purpose of that is to stifle discussion.
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by md8z 5y ago
I get that you are trying to make me the butt of a joke, but you'll notice my original question was if we could come up with a objective definition. If you don't think we can then you could just say so.
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by md8z 5y ago
Well no, I'm just trying to get the conversation started because the article mentioned that this was a pain point for people. If you have suggestions I'd love to hear it. I don't have all the answers, as I mentioned before th
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by md8z 5y ago
I've already been doing that for decades and I hope you can understand how it's impractical to do that. Social media has network effects, that's the whole purpose for it to exist and some people just expect you to meet them w
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by md8z 5y ago
Could you think of ways we could make it less subjective? Or are you saying that you think it's impossible for us to make it an objective law?
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by md8z 5y ago
Because I don't think these places (Twitter, Facebook, etc) need to be places where people are too abusive. My impression is that a lot of people who are there aren't happy with the abuse there either.
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by md8z 5y ago
Can you please have a conversation with me instead of accusing me of trolling? If you want to change my mind then I'm open to it, but this isn't the way to be convincing.
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by md8z 5y ago
I really don't see how that's relevant here, if you really want to take that angle, then every law can be abused by corrupt officials. I agree with your complaint about that, corruption in politics is sadly nothing new. But that i
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by md8z 5y ago
I'm not trolling, I've personally suffered psychological harm from online abuse. There are many places on the internet that I'd like to go but can't because people are too abusive and nobody does anything about it. What
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by md8z 5y ago
I don't understand, these decisions appear to be made by people appointed by democratically elected MPs? Are you making a different complaint about the democratic process? That's fine for you to do, but that seems to be unrelated
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by md8z 5y ago
What's subjective about it though? Do you think it is not possible by now for us to collectively come up with an objective definition of what trolling and abusive language is? To me it's pretty clear after spending just a few minu
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by md8z 5y ago
Well I don't think it was explained what the injustice is, so I'm sorry I still just don't understand. You mentioned that some people were punished but without really going into detail, and then I wasn't able to even see
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by md8z 5y ago
I honestly don't want to pick you apart or complain about the sample size, I feel like some explanation is still missing here. It would help to start with that before launching into the rest of the discussion, i.e. you can start with y

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