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by iammisc 5y ago
> Secular lines of reasoning results in science and all of the progress that has come with it Unless you have some unknown faith by which 'progress' is good, I fail to see how you can come to that conclusion. Especially when v
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by iammisc 5y ago
> The second you put your schema on the wire, that schema can now never change. That's just such an insane commitment to make. If you change your schema, you can just write a sql expression to convert between schemas 'at runtim
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by iammisc 5y ago
I believe if you're honest with yourself and follow the secular lines of reasoning you will arrive at deism pretty easily I think atheists are just people who refuse to accept the natural conclusions. So I don't see any need to hi
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by iammisc 5y ago
Just because I disagree with someone doesn't mean I wish him ill. Calling his view caricatures says nothing of his character.
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by iammisc 5y ago
Yeah I grew up in a Catholic church that was probably 30% vietnamese, 30% hispanic, and 40% white / everyone else. I guess my views are heavily influenced by that.
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by iammisc 5y ago
No doubt. If it were not for one teacher who was clearly trained in Catholic apologetics in middle school, I don't think i would have remained Catholic. The church does a terrible job of catechesis, which is a shame, since it's sp
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by iammisc 5y ago
I think we were objecting to different things. I broadly agree that large mainstream denominations supported slavery. I just pointed out that many equally large denominations did not. If we're talking about Christianity as a whole, it&
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by iammisc 5y ago
Honestly thanks for the info on the riots. The KKK is so obvious that I'm embarrassed it didn't cross my mind. I will be the first to admit I have zero understanding of protestantism other than that most seem nice. They're li
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by iammisc 5y ago
There's a big difference between living in the same country as people I don't share deep values with and actively seeking out their company. I sincerely doubt most hn readers are seeking active companionship with someone from rura
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by iammisc 5y ago
> Io make the argument "The economy was shut down last year and there is a massive issue in our society with depression and loneliness as a result, but it's what those liberals deserve for leaving the church!" is asinine.
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by iammisc 5y ago
Catholic churches are the most integrated denomination. And Catholics are the group most likely to intermarry between ethnicities. Speaking of my own family, my brother and I are both married to women of different ethnicities (and differing
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by iammisc 5y ago
I doubt I'd participate in a secular community center, so I'd be interested in seeing this as an outside observer. But honestly, I doubt it'd work. Without any common values, it'll be hard to get a diverse set of people.
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by iammisc 5y ago
I appreciate your candor. You seem to have pretty set views, but I think they're caricatures. In particular, while pro-life work that is most visible is someone praying at a planned parenthood (and of course, the ones that harass are t
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by iammisc 5y ago
You've summed up my position pretty well. If you're not religiously inclined, then you can treat the church as a social club and ignore the religious trappings. It would behoove you to keep your atheism to yourself though, because
825.
by iammisc 5y ago
> What exactly is a "social absolute"? A social absolute is something like 'always be nice to people'. This is different from 'any attempt to be nice to someone is abusive'. one relates to human social inter
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by iammisc 5y ago
SBC is not only not the first largest, it's a different order of magnitude. And my point was that it's a mixed bag. While a lot of support for slavery was nominally Christian, so was a lot of opposition. For example, the Battle Hy
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by iammisc 5y ago
Salvation through christ is -- from a secular perspective -- such a nebulous interest, it might as well be a community club.
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by iammisc 5y ago
> If you dismiss such things as mere "picking and choosing", you're unlikely to to be able to understand viewpoints to which you're inclined to disagree. You said the SBC was the largest Christian denomination. Then,
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by iammisc 5y ago
> Why would I choose to do this somewhere that the leadership rejects me and tells me I will burn in hell? Because of the people in the church? Because of the fact that 'the leadership' is just the guy preaching, whereas the ac
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by iammisc 5y ago
I think this is a valid criticism, but seeing as that we've replaced church with ... nothing, I still find it difficult to imagine that my vision of society would be worse than the one we're living in. The truth is that despite de
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by iammisc 5y ago
> The SBC was and remains the largest christian organization in the US, and it was founded for the express purpose of defending slavery. The Catholic church is by far the largest christian organization in the united states. SBC is a dist
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by iammisc 5y ago
> But at least in the US it has also very much deepened the racial and (obviously) religious lines between people. Not clear at all. Catholics for example are the most likely group to marry interracially. Religiously, I don't see th
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by iammisc 5y ago
> I know right? What happened to the good old days when the big mainstream church organizations like the SBC were fighting the good fight against evils such as interracial marriage and civil rights? You're just picking and choosing.
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by iammisc 5y ago
> In kind of a macro sense I appreciate my parents raising me, but I do not consider continued contact with them obligatory in any way, shape, or form, and certainly not at the level that my parents in particular want that relationship.
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by iammisc 5y ago
Yes, I have considered that. I know many people who rightly rejected their own family. It is sad and very tragic and scary. However, I also know a lot of people raised like I was who have left as well, and see no problem with it. They had p
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by iammisc 5y ago
> Sounds pretty extreme and absolutist to me. I am giving a social absolute. Your absolute regarded abuse, a crime, and a serious one at that. A statement being absolute is only concerning if it's also extreme. Labeling deference to
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by iammisc 5y ago
> For the people who left the church because they found some of the teachings abhorrent, I would assume they were rejecting the church's authority, not rejecting God. If every conservative that rejected the church's authority d
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by iammisc 5y ago
You are arguing something completely different. I pointed out that before public schools, there were large networks of private schools. Public schooling started as a response to the success of catholic schools. I am not arguing for superior
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by iammisc 5y ago
> The focus must be on the bringing together of disparate communities, secularly. Except the 'United' states of America has never been about that kind of community. That's more of the fraternite of the French revolution th
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by iammisc 5y ago
> Not to be too dramatic, I believe abusive parents will metaphorically poison their families well beyond their own lives. Cutting that rot out of the tree is sometimes a way to save the healthier branches. Thanks for the reply. You are

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