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Yeah, folks tend to forget that not all engineers are in their early 20s, making $150k and content to live with roommates for the next decade (and possibly the rest of their lives).
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> Not every company needs smart capable senior engineers. If you are just doing yet another SAAS CRUD app, you may not need anymore than an architect and some mid level developers. Full stack developers are becoming a commodity. So you r
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I would not want to be over 40 and interviewing for a almost any startup, anywhere in the US. More broadly, I would not want to be the over-40 guy trying to interview for any team where hardly anyone is even close to 30. Such teams are quit
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> There are so many other factors though that affect hiring and attracting developers to the work you have at your company Sure, and some of them count as "compensation" in the broad sense. For example, if the company is willin
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Ageism in tech is just ageism. It's not (fundamentally) about money and not (fundamentally) about skillset. It's about tossing out any resume of a 40+ year old because tech is "a young man's game". Why is it "a
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> Even minimum wage is higher in the US as compared to east Asia. Cost of living is also way lower in most of East Asia.
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If I were you, I'd focus first on reducing workload to manageable level. Every single aspect of your life and work is hurt by you being overworked right now. You effectively say so in your comments. Talk to management and bring the wor
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> But if I pursue more money, I’d probably be stuck working in some crappy conpany where I’m a number. Why the false dichotomy? You might be able to find an employer who will pay you better and satisfy you in other ways too. Stranger thi
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We are talking about the lack of senior engineers right now. That means we need to look at the market 10 years ago to see why there aren't enough senior engineers right now. While the entry-level wages for engineers straight out of col
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> I make less than industry rates working for a large corporation and you'd be shocked by how much pressure and technical responsibility I have as one person. And no matter what I do to try to get help, the burden stays on me becaus
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> Companies need to do a much better job of not screening out applicants with non traditional resumes though - I had to go through triplebyte to get my foot in the door. Right. Imagine any other field where employers regularly complain a
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> technologists actually know how much they're worth while the fresh college graduate etc is awestruck by a wage that is barely over bay-area poverty line I think this was a key part of the racket: Faced with the need for engineers,
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And who says "the market" wants engineer's relative share of the comp pie to stay exactly as it is? TFA and all other evidence points to the opposite conclusion: that engineers are becoming some the most valuable resource in
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8y ago
5x increase is an outlier no matter how you look at it. 5 years ago salaries in SF for an SWE were already around 150k base at least, won't you agree? So if GP was typical, you'd expect the a average base to be around $750k now. O
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You're an outlier. Congrats! Sounds like you jumped from a low-level sysadmin role to a senior devops role. That's a quantum leap and not comparable to what the average developer saw during the same timeframe.
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Fair points, but my key argument regarding the timeframe was that it was merely the dawn of the modern tech industry. Things were just getting really started. The entire FAANG group was either in its infancy or wasn't founded at all (F
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Do you realize how long of a timespan 20 years is? 20 years ago is 1998, i.e. before the internet revolution and the first bubble! What are the numbers for the past 5 years? That's way more relevant. > They've gone up about 20
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> The harder and more expensive it is to hire a specialist, the more important it is that the company utilize him fully. High salaries and long hours usually go together. Until the specialist quits, and then your logic breaks completely.
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Won't it? There's a whole bunch of smart people right now who won't go into tech because they can make more elsewhere. Another example is senior engineers who retire because their investment portfolio is large enough, and the
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Investors aren't some mysterious and capricious force that storms into your office and throws a fit over random reasons. They care primarily about one thing: their Return on Investment. If the company becomes more profitable by shiftin
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> Do they not know? Do they think we're lying? Or would they just rather complain than actually solve the problem? Companies typically complain about "lack of talent" so the government will let them import more low-paid de
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> software engineer salaries at the top end have grown like crazy. All I've seen are 30-50% increases over something like a decade. These are hardly "crazy" increases for a field in which profits have gone through the roof
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> It sounds like capital markets are saying, we like this cost structure. Continue it and take more money. The capital markets care about the bottom line, not about internal cost structure. So for example, a company with 100 devs and 1 C
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> If what the article says is true, it's great that executives are starting to understand the opportunity cost of technical debt. Nothing in the article implies tat "executives" (or anyone) has gained a better understandin
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If he really did do it while high and without any factual basis, then the SEC case against him is solid. "I did it for the lulz" is unfortunately not a valid legal defense.
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Exactly. We can be quite sure that whatever CFO Tesla hires is well-aware of the expected workload, stress levels etc in advance. While we don't know for sure why they resign so quickly, it has to do with something surprising that ha
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Don't they also have some heavy debt obligations coming due very soon?
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It is if you have very large windows display a large amount of text with plenty of redraws. Data analysis and data science comes to mind.
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> Did literacy kill the careers of priests and monks? Actually, it did! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformation#Literacy Literacy was a major factor in the reformation, and the subsequent decline in the status of
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My point is that it's not some trivial issue of Amazon "not listening", or anything else that is easy to fix. The fundamental problem is that unskilled labor is very low value, and as automation increases, will get even lower
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