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asow92
3y ago
Indeed, they aren't doing well.
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asow92
3y ago
I never said that my business model did, nor that big money was involved. Please don't assume my position and re-read the thread. All I had said was that a non-profit in my area would very much like to target my local community better&
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asow92
3y ago
You asked for an example and I gave you one, but it's not good enough for you. Where shall the goalpost move next? If it feels like it's an example of low consequence that's because it is: what we're arguing about is p
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asow92
3y ago
I don't have a problem with seeking consent from the user, and that's exactly what Firebase Dynamic Links offered by including "Check to continue my place in the app" on by default, but that product is no more thanks to
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asow92
3y ago
I mean, there are other ways around this. We could create an App Clip that essentially does the same thing. It's just harder for the user to get through. Surely there's a compromise solution here? I don't see why Apple couldn
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asow92
3y ago
We can make a product that gives us money, but wouldn't it be nice to have more money?
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asow92
3y ago
Your point is well taken, although I have a hard time grokking how'd I'd fair on that amount of income.
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3y ago
If only they could be targeted to be more relevant to you :thinking_face:
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asow92
3y ago
On iOS at least, ad prevalence has increased over time because targeted ads have been effectively abolished: more ads, with less relevance, are required to gain the same amount of revenue.
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asow92
3y ago
> Just because you refuse to say it publicly does not mean you don't know it. Does that honestly sound fair to you? I'm not putting words into your mouth. Please respect my agency and I'll continue to respect yours in kind
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3y ago
We won't get the data from the link without the pasteboard or fingerprinting. The app is a blank slate on first open after installing: we lose the context from which we came. It's important to note that this is not an issue for a
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asow92
3y ago
I have to let you know that I truly appreciate that: thank you :)
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asow92
3y ago
What's your solution to the problem then?
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asow92
3y ago
To be honest with you, my whole point is not even missing out on a marketing opportunity. It's way more banal than that. It's more like routing to a specific experience on first app launch based on where you came from on the web.
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asow92
3y ago
Cool, thanks for sharing.
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asow92
3y ago
> we both know they won’t be. Not true, you don't speak for what I know. > show me examples of these good targeted ads because while in theory they could exist, something tells me they very much don’t. The non-profits in my area
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3y ago
It's not easy being unpopular, but it sure is interesting :)
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asow92
3y ago
The alternative is that—without an act of congress—private journalism will die, and that is a tragedy.
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asow92
3y ago
That's the beauty we lost with targeted ads: less ads for the user, and more revenue for the app. There were obviously issues with that model, but it was a better experience for most people.
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3y ago
Poor people might be better served with targeted ads to help them find lower cost goods to save money, access helpful services they otherwise wouldn't know about, and seek out support groups/clubs/organizations. Not everythin
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asow92
3y ago
As someone who works with a national news outlet, I can tell your for certain that paywalls are failing, and we're now considering how to recoup lost revenue with ads that don't pay as well as they did five years ago.
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asow92
3y ago
You aren't the average user. Most users can't even afford decent housing or food. Let alone $250/year for apps, and they will never pay. I'm sorry, but I think we just have fundamental disagreements about what software i
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asow92
3y ago
Agree to disagree, but thanks for your time.
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asow92
3y ago
Would you agree that the average hacker news user isn't the average app user? Most app users don't care at all if they don't have to pay.
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3y ago
That data means nothing without looking at the share of the distribution of each developer account.
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3y ago
What about journalism?
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3y ago
_My_ flow, was the same flow shared by anyone else who used Firebase Dynamic Links, Adjust Links, and many others. I'm not alone in this. There has to be a common sense compromise on this, like a revokable certificate for access withou
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3y ago
As someone who's worked on a few ad supported apps, I have to admit that I share Zuck's sentiment. How do we make money if few are willing to pay for apps and ads don't pay enough?
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3y ago
While that works, it's not very user friendly, and that means friction, and friction means churn, and churn means a sad boss. It makes obvious sense to us, but gramma or your luddite uncle have a hard time with that. They need to be re
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3y ago
As an app developer, I have to say that Apple has made it increasing more difficult to provide a seamless user experience to our users over time. Yes, there are plenty of bad actors out there, and they ruin it for the rest of us who collec
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