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by ankhmoop 17y ago
Scribd reminds me quite a bit of my interactions with experts-exchange: * Locked behind a content wall: You must use their web reader, or jump through hoops to download the original document. * Pollutes my google search results: Usually app
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by ankhmoop 17y ago
Why did it fail? You can just ban mibbit if you like on the channel :/ We didn't want to ban an entire service! Unfortunately, it wound up being the easiest way -- hence, our attempt to avoid doing so failed. I've used Mibbit as my prima
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by ankhmoop 17y ago
Could you enlighten us as to why Mibbit made it a PITA to ban all Mibbit users from your channel? We had to solve the problem, as did all other channels with this issue. You reference another poster who had similar issues. How many man ho
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by ankhmoop 17y ago
Openness is preferable, but there is absolutely no direct evidence to support the conclusion that they wish to monetize Freenode via web chat -- the timing is only circumstantial.
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by ankhmoop 17y ago
I'd suggest that freenode's arguments seem to be fairly hollow given ... The point is, isn't this entirely their perfectly reasonable prerogative as free actors? Given that my own minimal channel 'work-load' has increased due to Mibbit, I
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by ankhmoop 17y ago
They're also blocked because of a high number of users (proportional to other e-mail services) registering accounts to troll anonymously.
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by ankhmoop 17y ago
We (as a channel) initially tried to avoid banning Mibbit wholesale, but that strategy failed. I imagine Freenode had similar issues at a larger scale. I can't say that any developers I associate with are unhappy that Mibbit was blocked. Sp
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by ankhmoop 17y ago
It'd be like hackernews blocking opera users if some spam submissions were submitted by opera users. No, it would be like HackerNews blocking a 3rd party HN client that: * Required that HackerNews trust the third party client service to p
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by ankhmoop 17y ago
If mIRC, by it's nature, resulted in a disproportionate maintenance cost as compared to other clients, then yes, I would seriously consider banning it. Mibbit requires additional support from Freenode: trust of its declared client IP addres
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by ankhmoop 17y ago
You authenticate to source control and other services while using a public terminal?
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by ankhmoop 17y ago
Quite a few registration forms do block webmail addresses for reasons of abuse.
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by ankhmoop 17y ago
Yes, which is not something that many communities on freenode are particularly interested in doing.
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by ankhmoop 17y ago
"Our channels" . As I've said before, we've been forced to regularly ban Mibbit on our channels (as in, software projects with which I am involved). I simply don't represent freenode, or django, or web developers in general. [edit] I see
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by ankhmoop 17y ago
Then if the Django IRC channel has banned Mibbit, I suggest you speak with them -- assuming Freenode decides that expending volunteer services to support a commercial service is a worthwhile venture. Otherwise, there's the freenode web IRC
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by ankhmoop 17y ago
Right, because insinuating anyone who uses mibbit is incapable of installing an IRC client is not a sniping remark? No, simply that as an initial barrier to entry for a technical community, "browsing to a web page" isn't very difficult an
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by ankhmoop 17y ago
Except that for $1.99, we can't even afford to invest in writing a small, useful application -- and we're a very small, very low-overhead company.
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by ankhmoop 17y ago
If AOL decided to proxy interested AIM users to Freenode, would it be Freenode's responsibility to provide the resources necessary to support those users as well? What about Facebook? Google Talk? As a member of several "community projects"
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by ankhmoop 17y ago
Quite a few of my development peers sit behind such firewalls and yet can and do still connect using their desktop clients. It's not something we discuss, so I don't know what method they're using, but as a member of the community in questi
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by ankhmoop 17y ago
If a project developer, active user, or someone else with genuine stake in the project community complained, we'd pay attention ... but nobody has, despite the numerous venues available to them to do so. Your honour. It's not our responsibi
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by ankhmoop 17y ago
Other than the vast quantity of available desktop clients, as well as the now-available freenode web IRC chat?
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by ankhmoop 17y ago
Our channels , not #freenode.
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by ankhmoop 17y ago
Freenode doesn't need -- or have any responsibility to support -- Mibbit. Moreover, we've banned mibbit entirely from our channels without receiving any complaints or noticing any significant drop in channel traffic.
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by ankhmoop 17y ago
Today, they put their own ideals ahead of their users. Their objections to Mibbit have been: It's not open source, It makes money Working with Mibbit clearly costs freenode time and resources that they would rather not spend. Since Mibbit
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by ankhmoop 17y ago
Moving past the heated conjecture, the more accurate statement from a freenode staffer: njan: Xenos, for what it delivered, mibbit i) disrupted a large number of our network users, and ii) used a disproportionate amount of staff ti
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by ankhmoop 17y ago
Freenode has absolutely no innate responsibility to extend trust to a third party such as Mibbit. I see no reason to judge them poorly for failing to do so, or how this reflects on Mibbit's integrity.
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by ankhmoop 17y ago
You are publicly calling into question Mibbit's integrity here, and suggesting that there's an incentive to give Freenode false information about users' IP addresses. Why? Regardless of Mibbit's integrity -- of which I have no opinion, an
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by ankhmoop 17y ago
Are you claiming mIRC made it difficult to use a web proxy? Since IRC traffic can't be conveyed via a web proxy, yes. =) There has always been proxy settings available. I...know some people...that wrote scripts for mIRC that loaded thous
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by ankhmoop 17y ago
Why should freenode, a not-for-profit independent entity, be required to extend trust to a third party service and their reporting of user identity?
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by ankhmoop 17y ago
This is rather misleading. Mibbit may be a browser-based client, but it does pass on the user's IP to the remote ircd, which means exactly the same protections exist as for any other irc client. First, it's considerably easier to find ope
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by ankhmoop 17y ago
Freenode manages their web client directly, which means that they can: 1) Manage it directly, immediately, and independently of any third party as to quickly respond to abuse. 2) Directly trust the web client's reporting of IP addresses, wh

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