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RosieA
12y ago
Definitely. Do you think, however, that educational systems should be working to fix this? Or that the industry relies (and is ok relying) on private training resources like bootcamps, and the self taught wonders of the world?
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RosieA
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I see what you mean. There is a tough balance to be struck, so what then would you call realistic? If you're trying to explain to someone the potential of becoming a developer, and committing yourself to that learning and industry how
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RosieA
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Do you have a link or resource for that argument you mention in the last line? I'd actually be really interested in digging into what that means. The industry always calls it a "skills gap" (guilty as charged here), but our d
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RosieA
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I'm going to vote for a simple answer on this. We don't have enough solid talent because there simply isn't a high enough saturation of learning opportunities. not even on the most basic levels. Higher ed CS degrees don'
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Deeefinitely relevant. We teach a full stack course (as many other bootcamps both on and offline) but sometimes the goals of students aren't that broad to begin with. They start with a small chunk, and then pick up projects that perpet
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RosieA
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I think the real opportunity is to explore (hopefully in depth) whether or not development is the right thing. Its definitely not fair (and not true because I know people who are the far other extreme) to say that you have to grow up being
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I see your point, totally. The title is of course designed to get views, right? Marketing does have its role in any business, so we try to bring people with the interest into the fold. Pretty hard to educate them about the commitment withou
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Hahaha! A little deterrent maybe for what is technically a start up, at least if you're talking about CareerFoundry, but I see what you mean. We're pretty harsh on people when they do their info sessions with us. The commitment is
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Your last sentence. So true. ESPECIALLY in Europe. We deal with this all the time, students who did CS degrees and then realize they can't work in the coolest part of the tech industry because they don't actually know how to code.
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12y ago
I'm actually really impressed with our student base in regard to your assumptions because they were ours as well. I noted this in a comment above, but many of our students are not (or at least claim not to be) doing our courses to &quo
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12y ago
Just a thought that comes to mind here (not really a response) is that yes, problems exist with training good engineers, particularly in a bootcamp format. Many comments below go into this. But we see a lot of students who are learning deve
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I think this is a really really important point. Even at our company (a bootcamp) we receive resumes like what you're talking about. We definitely advocate quality bootcamps for their teaching, but one thing that's upsetting is th
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12y ago
Definitely not, but where else do you start? We're asking this all the time as naturally there are a million pieces to becoming a developer. Code is just one tool in the box, but isn't it the basis? Particularly if you're sta
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We have discussions all the time with CTOs and recruiters about what gets a dev hired. We always cycle back to the fact that its really their personal projects that win the day. Would you agree? When you're hiring a developer is it the
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Definitely! The reality of it is that sometimes you have to go somewhere to get somewhere, and that somewhere is often a lot different next week than it was last week! Students struggle all the time, and some find out (even very quickly) th
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RosieA
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Hey Kalium! You definitely bring a passion to this, so I definitely want to understand you. Perhaps you can explain your opposition a little more specifically? My response was really to explain our methodology, perhaps mistargeted in your e
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"I argue that if you find someone who possesses the passion, curiosity, and ability to learn quickly and train them for a couple months, you'll have a decent developer." I totally agree. This is exactly what we look for in al
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"I just hope that the students of careerfoundry know that it's one thing to learn coding in school, but it's up to the student to really go the extra-extra mile and learn things on their own.... and a bit of luck as well.&quo
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Of course 'programming knowledge' covers a spectrum. At CareerFoundry we have never claimed to be training people to become Senior Full Stack Web Developers - like with many careers there is progression within the job. You start o
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I understand your point Kalium but I'm afraid I'm not persuaded on this 'selling a fantasy' idea. For many people that come to us, the decision is something they think long and hard over before making that leap, being fu
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Learn to Code, in 3 Months, with No Previous Experience
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Former Head of Education at Apple Joins CareerFoundry
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Hi King_Magic I understand the point you're making, but for people who haven't studied computer science at university, or haven't been tinkering on a computer since they were a small child, these courses are a way they can br
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Hi guys, The site is back up again now - please try again!
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Learn to Code, Get Hired
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