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Kialo
7y ago
Thank you. Upvote this!
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Kialo
7y ago
(Obviously biased.) So, instead of using tools primarily designed for chatting and commenting, you could use a tool specifically designed for the facilitation, capturing and representation of complex arguments. We have spent the past 8 year
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Kialo
8y ago
Oh boy have we have had success with tongue in cheek, at least 100 twitter messages regarding those flat earth examples on the tour page, incl. support emails from astrophysicists... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1748
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Kialo
8y ago
Being investigated. Thanks for feed-back!
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Kialo
8y ago
We'll improve that wording, thanks for bringing it up.
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Kialo
8y ago
Thanks for the detailed reply. It's something we have been thinking about a lot. As you write, there is no real good way of dealing with this. Stating both options will make theses read convoluted. Writing the thesis as a question does
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Kialo
8y ago
It was our first time on HN and I don't think the person using the account did (or had enough karma even if they wanted to). As you can see here and beneath ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17486633 ) we prefer to
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Kialo
8y ago
These are happening...though we should have a dedicated place for them: https://www.kialo.com/kialo-should-create-a-mobile-app-addit...
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Kialo
8y ago
You could, but then you would just end up linking the pros of Tabs as cons to Spaces, which is kind of redundant. In the end, this is a simple, doing X is better than doing Y. Using multiple theses generally only makes sense if they are &qu
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Kialo
8y ago
"Mobile users seem to be okay with getting asked for permissions on demand, why would desktop users be any different?" Should be a con, not a pro, as it weakens the claim above. Just drag it to the other side.
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Kialo
8y ago
Did you have a look at the tree view, which follows when you enter the discussion? :) And yes, we do allow multi-linking and intermap-linking of claims.
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Kialo
8y ago
I don't think they offer an API for reputation exporting, do they? Also, our reputation system, the thanks count, is based more around HOW you interact with others, so if you are polite, open to have your claim changed, etc. It's
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Kialo
8y ago
Thanks for your feed-back. Re 1-3) Most discussions can actually be distilled to a single pointed issue or a very specific discussion ( https://www.kialo.com/should-there-be-a-universal-basic-inco... ). You can then ask in a
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Kialo
8y ago
Possible, but how do you explain this to the less technically-minded people?
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Kialo
8y ago
In a democracy, consensus on truths actually matters a lot. Not speaking for the team, but, I would probably consider something to be argued rationally, that is logical within a cultural setting and frame of mind. Very often, this depends o
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Kialo
8y ago
We do have a spectrum of positions, via the Perspective feature. There you can see how others see an issue.
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Kialo
8y ago
Thanks for feedback. We only show it on first load, might well change that. You can open it by going to the menu (on the left) and selecting discussion info or clicking the (i) on the thesis.
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Kialo
8y ago
Thanks for feed-back and giving us a try. The fancy sunburst, currently, only appears on initial load of a discussion, we are thinking of changing that. You can open it by clicking the (i) on the thesis, or via discussion menu "Discuss
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Kialo
8y ago
I don't think this can be remedied via democratic voting. We are thinking of allowing debate admins to show some default perspectives, e.g. atheist vs Christian, as these are more interesting than the avg.
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Kialo
8y ago
Do you allow multi linking, intermap linking, branch copying to other Kialos of claims or do people always have to rewrite them from scratch (and all their children?)? Because if you did, you would know that claims have to change their colo
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Kialo
8y ago
It is waiting for the debate creator and their admins to accept or respond to. The suggestion is used as good faith and coherent writing ability signaling. Normally you then get invited as a writer. That's our system to keep the trolls
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Kialo
8y ago
We suggest linking to those examples, normally they are too long to fit nicely in. The same goes for graphics. We are afraid, exactly for the reason you specify, reading experience. Agreed we could do it in comments, will forward this.
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Kialo
8y ago
Many issues do not have a neutral position (Is climate change real / man-made? Is there a God? Is torture ever ok? Should there be trigger warnings in education?. If you are undecided, that's fine, don't vote or vote it a two
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Kialo
8y ago
Exactly, we often see discussions about linked papers underneath a claim, where then often the paper is taken out as a pro for the original claim, to make it clearer. Also, many discussions have little scienitifi papers to use, e.g. most of
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Kialo
8y ago
On our site, or in general? They broadly fall into, "science is knowledge" vs "whatever I want / feels right" is knowledge. We have perspectives, with which you can look at a believers vs a non-believers voting, oth
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Kialo
8y ago
Stupid is a problematic term, because many people use it to categorize people who are very smart and but adhere to questinable belief / epistemological systems. People that are incoherent, don't normally get their claims accepted.
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Kialo
8y ago
>Right, is what is rationally justified decided by what is democratically popular? The best solution would allow for customizable curation, where different systems of authority and checks/balances on that authority could be tried, w
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Kialo
8y ago
When you start a debate, voting is normally not enabled. Voting on our site is different, we explicitly ask for the impact a claim has. But we agree, the total average of votes, with public discussions, isn't very useful, not because p
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Kialo
8y ago
You mean like bold, italics and different font sizes? We tried that and it made the whole reading experience much more cumbersome. What we might do is allow inline graphics attachments. The problem with those are DMCA takedowns...
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Kialo
8y ago
Thanks. The best term we have found for it yet is collaborative reasoning platform, but that's a bit of a mouthful.
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