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Apple OS X El Capitan
- sinatra 11y agoIt looks like an incremental release. Not a bad idea considering how many bugs / issues Yosemite had. Hopefully, El Capitan fixes most of them.
- nemothekid 11y agoSame, I'm still on Mavericks, and Yosemite still feels like "bleeding edge" to me.
- Dain42 11y agoI have to support an elementary school full of Macs, and Yosemite has been my ongoing nightmare. (Well, that and the bad joke known as OS X Server.) I won't update during the year for obvious reasons, but I'm still trying to decide whether or not I'm going to have to fragment my environment again (after just getting it all together with 10.9, finally). The incentive from Apple is very strong to install 10.10, but it just runs like utter garbage on all our older machines. And we can't run out and buy new ones whenever they feel like killing all hardware more than about 3 or 4 years old. I'm still trying to convince people that our younger kids can learn just fine using the web browser on Windows and that we're overpaying money for these Macs (about double what we'd pay for a comparable Windows machine from our vendors) and wasting our tight budget. But there are a few people who just will not let them go. It's a real PITA running this mixed environment without another person to do sys/net admin stuff, or someone to handle more front-line support. At this point, I'd take Apple just putting a stop to releasing these updates for iOS and OS X out at the beginning of the school year. It would be so much better if they'd do it about 4 months earlier.
- addandsubtract 11y ago>The incentive from Apple is very strong to install 10.10 And what incentive is that? Unless you need to latest Xcode to develop iOS apps, I don't see a reason to use Yosemite. I, for one, am happy to have stayed on 10.9 and will stick with it until El Capitan proves to be an "upgrade".
- wwweston 11y ago> And what incentive is that? For one thing, they won't sell you Mavericks anymore. If you didn't buy it while it was out, it is simply unavailable for you to purchase. They obviously could sell it to you, but they won't. It's a matter of intentional policy to make sure you don't buy in at any point earlier than the current one. (Take that in, BTW. That means someone at Apple made the judgment that it is literally more important that you have their latest than it is for everyone to have a stable, reliable OS.)
- bornabox 11y agoAh come on. Yosemite is not a stable, reliable OS? That's just hyperbole... Running 10.10.3 on half a dozen machines, mostly older ones, and it's stable, reliable and working just fine. MBPro's, Mac Mini's, MBAir, iMac.
- chiph 11y agoNot sure if you're being sarcastic or not ... Overall OS stability has gone down with Yosemite. I have to restart far more often than I should -- usually after coming out of sleep mode.
- doublextremevil 11y agoApple refuses to fix a critical security vulnerability[0] in non-Yosemite versions of OS X [0]https://truesecdev.wordpress.com/2015/04/09/hidden-backdoor-api-to-root-privileges-in-apple-os-x/ https://truesecdev.wordpress.com/2015/04/09/hidden-backdoor-...
- hutattedonmyarm 11y ago> it just runs like utter garbage on all our older machines. interesting, it runs better on my dads 2011 11" MBA than on my 2013 13" rMBP, probably due to the retina display
- SG- 11y agoFeels a lot like a Snow Leopard release which mostly optimized things and improved performance.
- bsimpson 11y agoWhich is probably why they named it after a climb in Yosemite.
- Stubb 11y agoIt would be nice if Apple could get around to fixing FaceTime audio, which has been broken since the initial release of 10.10. But I'm not holding my breath.
- teraflop 11y agoFor anyone else who's wondering where the actual information is: you have to scroll up, not down. Far from obvious on a mobile device.
- monroepe 11y agoThank you. I was wondering about it.
- lambdasquirrel 11y agoWelp... it looks like OS X is about to discover tiling window management lite. ;)
- krschultz 11y agoUnfortunately seems heavily mouse based. I'll stick with Spectacle myself.
- calciphus 11y agoSpectacle was about the only way to make my multi-monitor OSX experience work. It was maddening. Nice to see them catch up to at least acknowledge that everyone doesn't like the messy overlapping windows look.
- eivarv 11y agoOn a serious note: if you need automatic window tiling in OS X, you should check out Amethyst [0] (available via homebrew cask). I mention this everywhere I can because I spent a lot of time searching for and testing various window management software for OS X myself, and Amethyst is only easy, fully functional alternative I've found that works out of the box. [0]: https://github.com/ianyh/Amethyst https://github.com/ianyh/Amethyst
- Osiris 11y agoI use it also. It's a fantastic way to keep everything visible and organized. There's a few quirks and it can be annoying sometimes to have the whole desktop rearranged when opening a new window, but the quirks are overshadowed by its usefulness.
- addandsubtract 11y agoWhat about BetterTouchTool? I don't like window tiling in general, so I only use it for the gestures, but from what I've seen the tiling features seem pretty complete.
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- zamalek 11y ago> Metal is coming to Mac, paving the way for new levels of realism and detail in games and other apps. I'm guessing this is yet another API like Mantle/Vulkan that is also seated comfortably in the Apple walled garden and increases the development costs: awesome!
- acdha 11y agoYes, but unlike either of those it's in widespread production use (Mantle is still beta, Vulkan was just announced). It shipped last year on iOS 8 – this is just the expected next step of offering it on OS X as well: https://developer.apple.com/metal/ https://developer.apple.com/metal/
- zamalek 11y agoRight, that makes sense. However the desktop dev market is a completely different beast when compared to mobile - it's been a hard enough (and un-won) battle digging DX out. The chances of Apple pulling off what Khronos couldn't are slim - in my opinion. If I were Apple the best I'd hope for is their mobile games porting over to OSX. However, with the added performance of desktop is Metal really needed? If it works on a tablet I'd say there's a fantastic chance it would work on desktop with mere OpenGL.
- cwyers 11y ago> The chances of Apple pulling off what Khronos couldn't are slim - in my opinion. Apple has a large and loyal customer base, and it's typically people who are willing to spend money on apps and games for their devices. Apple doesn't have to try and satisfy a bunch of legacy CAD vendors who don't care about consumer 3D graphics at all. And when Apple announces Metal, they don't mean they have a spec, they have an implementation that is going to have a significant installed base in under a year. They have a lot of advantages Khronos doesn't.
- leoc 11y agoOS X has a lot going for it, but when it comes to the desktop gaming market it's just not the top dog in revenue generation that iOS is for mobile apps. I'd assume (not an expert) that Vulkan's support from Intel, nVidia and AMD on PC could mean more to professional game developers and publishers than Metal's OS X support.
- gcb0 11y agogotta love the adoption rate being percentage and not numbers. osx would show as a flat line...
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- freehunter 11y agoUsing numbers for adoption rate would make no sense at all. There would be no context for it. The comparison is how many installs are on the latest version. It would have to be X number out of Y number of installs in order to find out how many installs are running the same version. And then if you're doing X out of Y, you might as well normalize Y to 100, then you get a percent. If you're looking to see how many of your users are on the latest version, percent is the only thing that makes any sense.
- buster 11y agoI think the point is, if Apple (or Google or whoever) would be the clear market leader, they'd probably show total count and be like "whoa, look, our last OS was the fastest growing from since beginning of time!!!!" (showing X units sold/year instead of percentage/months). And all fanboys would go "woohhooo, AppGooSoft is so awesome, everybody buys it!".
- freehunter 11y agoAnd that would be true in that case, but why would anyone take time from a keynote to highlight a metric they're not good at? What Apple is doing right is getting the majority of their devices upgraded to the latest version as soon as possible. They're doing better than Google in that regard. Meanwhile during Google's keynote, they would say how many Android devices are shipping compared to iOS devices, and say nothing about how quickly people are upgrading. Toyota is showing off their Prius and say that it gets 100mpg. You're sitting in the back saying "yeah but the Vayron goes 200mph, why don't you show off how fast your car goes?" Everyone is good at something and not good at everything. The actual point the parent was trying to make is that Apple sux and Google rox, which is massively off topic.
- lmg643 11y agowill we be able to change the zoom on the font in an email without increasing the font size? Huge PITA on Mac compared to Windows.
- rsfinn 11y agoRight-click in the window's toolbar (or title bar), choose "Customize Toolbar...", and drag the "Smaller"/"Bigger" pair of control into the toolbar. I agree this is not very discoverable compared to the usual Zoom In / Zoom Out menu items. Mail suffers from its age in many ways.
- lmg643 11y agothanks for responding, I will try this out at home. Microsoft Outlook for Mac 2011 does not have this functionality, although the Windows version has for years. I figured other users might have this type of problem as well but for all the downvotes...I guess not. This minor feature was enough to drive me away from Mac Mail, and Outlook for Mac, over to Outlook on a Windows Virtual Machine. Having a high-res 27" monitor is a blessing in many ways, but a literal headache in others, particularly late night.
- pmdulaney 11y agoWhen Apple switched from the big cats naming scheme to "places in California" I predicted (mostly to my adult children, who all have Apple computers): "How much ya wanna bet it's gonna be a cold day in hell when they name a build after someplace in SOUTHERN California?" If I'm wrong, I suppose the first build named after something in SoCal will be called "Joshua Tree" -- nice tie in with U2.
- santaclaus 11y agoI'm looking forward to OS X 10.12, La Brea.
- pmdulaney 11y agoYeah, tar pits are cool!
- Dain42 11y agoConsidering how 10.10 traps machines older than about 3 years in the digital equivalent thereof, they missed their chance.
- epmatsw 11y agoHappily using 10.10 on a 6 year old macbook pro :)
- jakobegger 11y agoMe too :)
- wwweston 11y agoI don't know. Considering that Apple's entire notebook line is now un-upgradeable, I think the future may yet yield many opportunities for older machines to get good and stuck.
- coldtea 11y agoEl Segundo?
- chrisdevereux 11y agoAny word on minimum specs from people who've got the beta? I'm guessing that moving the system graphics frameworks over to Metal will result in the minimum specs being bumped to whatever they've written Metal drivers for.
- threeseed 11y agoAt minimum it would be supporting whatever Yosemite did. And surely the OS would be falling back to existing behaviour if Metal is not supported.
- apendleton 11y agoI was probably stupidly hoping this might finally be the release where they actually did something about their awful antiquated filesystem. Maybe next year.
- jfmercer 11y agoI've been hoping for exactly the same thing.
- tdicola 11y agoI wonder if discoveryd will come back or if it's gone for good.
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- sidcool 11y agoIntelligence is a pretty nifty feature.
- skybrian 11y agoI'm seeing a slide with almost no information. Is there a better link for this?
- psychometry 11y agohttp://www.apple.com/osx/ http://www.apple.com/osx/ will be updated when the keynote is over.
- 5hank3rat0r 11y agoFor now, I think this is the link http://www.apple.com/osx/elcapitan-preview/ http://www.apple.com/osx/elcapitan-preview/
- Spiritus 11y agoAnyone know what Python version comes bundled with El Capitan? I assume it's still 2.7.x, but one can always dream they have moved to Python 3 :)
- dudus 11y agoI'm guessing 2.7 but I think we'll need a few months until the preview is available to know for sure.
- akulbe 11y agoApple's core stuff is generally several minor versions behind: aaron@longview bin % ./python -V Python 2.7.6 aaron@longview bin % pwd /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/Current/bin aaron@longview bin % ./ruby -v ruby 2.0.0p481 (2014-05-08 revision 45883) [universal.x86_64-darwin14] aaron@longview bin % pwd /System/Library/Frameworks/Ruby.framework/Versions/Current/usr/bin I know you're asking about Python, but with Mavericks, it had Ruby 1.8, so I thought it'd make a good point that they keep older stuff for a long time. (That's why I included it.)
- Spiritus 11y agoAnswering my own question: $ python --version Python 2.7.6
- newman314 11y agoI didn't see a list of supported hardware. Anyone know if a mid-2009 Macbook will be supported? Also, I'm really hoping Apple supports ed25519 in ssh in 10.11... No reason why this is not available at this point.
- stephenr 11y agoIm pretty sure they said its the same hardware support as Yosemite
- moepstar 11y agoIn the same boat here, still running Mavericks on my MBP 17" from mid-2009. Wonder how the performance is gonna be...
- newman314 11y agoYosemite on the MacbookPro mid-2009, slowest CPU is surprisingly spry on a SSD (Samsung EVO). The only two things I really miss are AESNI speed FileVault and updated SSH. It's not going to set any records but totally usable for more normal tasks. What I really want is an up to date SSH without having to do ports/homebrew etc. so that I don't have to have exceptions for my setup.
- kawera 11y agoHere is the list for the preview: https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/mac/releasenotes/General/rn-osx-10.11/index.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40016209 https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/mac/releaseno...
- cpr 11y agohttp://www.apple.com/osx/elcapitan-preview/ http://www.apple.com/osx/elcapitan-preview/ is the right link.
- bitsoda 11y agoHooray for native window snapping. This is one less utility app I need to install on a fresh copy of OS X.
- sirn 11y agoSince no one already mentioned about it, here's an update to WebKit in Safari 9.0[1]. Just to pick a few: * Force Touch Trackpad Mouse Events * Content Blocking Safari Extensions (bytecode-compiled content blocklist for both iOS and OSX) * SFSafariViewController for iOS (as an alternative to UIWebKit and WKWebKit) * ECMAScript 6 support * CSS properties are now unprefixed (including flexbox!) I'm excited about the content blocking extension; it replaces the existing canLoad API that needs to be called on every request (which may result in some performance hit) with a JSON ruleset that will be bytecode-compiled and blocked by Safari itself. The better news is that an iOS app could also provide the JSON block list, so this works on Mobile Safari too. [1]: https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/mac/releasenotes/General/WhatsNewInSafari/Articles/Safari_9.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40014305-CH9-SW5 https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/mac/releaseno...
- bsimpson 11y agoLooks like some of the most useful ES6 features (such as lambda arrows and rest/spread/destructuring) are still not supported, so Babel isn't going away any time soon. Also interesting to see that they redesigned Dev Tools again. I'm guessing enough people found the new ones so much harder to use than the original (that Chrome is still iterating on) that they felt the need to make it look more like what people were used to. Finally, it looks like they're introducing a filter variant called backdrop-filters. It's in the Apple-edited CSS Filters spec, but I don't see any noise about it from the Chrome or Firefox evangelism teams. I wonder if it will be Apple-proprietary, or if other vendors are interested in it: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=497522 https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=497522
- wallunit 11y agoI'm very curious about Content Blocking Safari Extensions as well. The old mechanism, that is the non-standard "beforeload" DOM event + synchronous messaging via canLoad, had it's issues. But the new one is entirely different from the hooks Chrome and Firefox provide to intercept requests. So I'm certainly not a fan of it either, as this makes it even more elaborate to port extensions relying on content blocking to Safari, and massively reduces the amount of code that can be shared between the respective Chrome, Firefox and Safari extension. But even more importantly, I fear that it will have some shortcomings when it comes to blocking requests depending on its context (e.g. frame hierarchy). At least I'd be very surprised if they do a better job than Google did with Chrome's declarativeWebRequest API. If somebody knows any more details about that new API please let me know.
- meesterdude 11y agoI say bring it! I moved all my development into a linux VM, so i'm shielded from them totally mucking things up further. Will be just another upgrade for me, instead of a nightmare. Apple wants more entrenchment; to make it even harder to switch to something else. I'm already stuck on OSX because of itunes purchases and iphone sync, but that's really all it does for me at this point. I definitely gave up features when switching to linux, And I'd do it again in a heartbeat. The less I rely on OSX, the better off I am. I've just been bitten too many times by attempts at innovation that only hinder me, and running old OSX because the newer version has problems or issues is not really a great solution either.
- jordanthoms 11y agoIt is amusing how they are touting 'faster app switching' for the new release, when it was instant a few versions ago and has got steadily slower over the last few OSX releases (even on the latest hardware). It's good they are finally addressing some of the performance issues, but it's a bit embarrassing that things got to this point.