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Tmux has left SourceForge
- reustle 11y agoThis is probably the commit you're looking for https://github.com/tmux/tmux/commit/d2b35e19cdd61d163d26c4babccc1550e72a9623 https://github.com/tmux/tmux/commit/d2b35e19cdd61d163d26c4ba...
- dang 11y agoThanks, we changed to that from https://github.com/tmux/tmux https://github.com/tmux/tmux.
- smaili 11y agoAre there any big projects still using SourceForge? I know "big" is a little subjective here, but it seems like most active projects have already migrated.
- krasin 11y agoDespite having a mirror on github, OpenCV docs refer to SourceForge as the primary location: http://docs.opencv.org/doc/tutorials/introduction/linux_install/linux_install.html http://docs.opencv.org/doc/tutorials/introduction/linux_inst... "Getting the Latest Stable OpenCV Version Go to our page on Sourceforge;"
- driverdan 11y agoThat's not surprising. OpenCV docs are woefully out of date.
- SwellJoe 11y agoOur Webmin website, mailing lists, downloads, and a few other things are still running on SourceForge, for the time being. (I guess it counts as "big", with 3+ million downloads a year, it has always been a top-ten project in its category at SF.net.) We moved revision control to github several years ago. We just haven't had time lately to figure out what to do about the SF.net malware situation, but I can't imagine we'll stay there for too much longer, given the circumstances. We don't provide a Windows installer, so we're probably not at any immediate risk from SourceForge practices, but it doesn't seem like a smart place to be, given their behavior.
- edge17 11y agoI got malware in the installer for Filezilla on my Mac. They shove malware in all sorts of non-windows stuff these days...
- barbs 11y agoI didn't believe you at first, but I just went to install it and...wow... https://imgur.com/a/o6cSW https://imgur.com/a/o6cSW
- yAnonymous 11y agoFileZilla are one of the few major projects who actually agree to this. Complain about it on their forums and you'll get a ban.
- z92 11y agoFileZilla opted in for this service, and gets a percentage of the revenue generated by installing these malware.
- logicallee 11y agoI thought you were going to show a virus result - the screen you showed is very unambiguously an opt-in screen, it even has the term "Accept" (as opposed to some other word like next or install) making you look at it - if the text said something else you would be very likely to just click it. The button at the left 'skip' is also clear about your other option (if it said 'cancel' it would sound like you're aborting installation.) I just don't see how this is a trick. There's not even a "default" option here, except for the Accept button being on the right. How can anyone possibly click the word "Accept" without even glancing at the text surrounding it - even a glance shows you the giant icon with the slogan "Mac Cleaner Clean Up Junk Files on Your Mac"? If you look at the bullet points, the first one clearly identifies what it does. So it's an opt-in screen. There's no default. The action word is "Accept" and the top bullet is about the additional software you would be installing, with a giant picture and caption showing the same thing. Or you can click "skip." This is above-board if you're going to do this sort of thing. Hell, given how above-board it is I might just click "Accept" in this case! (knowing that the devs opted into it as well.) It is very, very hard to read this as anything other than an opt-in screen. How can you be any less ambiguous?? EDIT: I didn't even notice, there is even grey small text that spells this out in completely unambiguous words! (Thank you for considering this offer from our advertiser...your choice does not affect installation of FileZilla.) I honestly don't even know that I would ask FileZilla to change anything whatsoever about this screen. It's great!
- chanux 11y agolame (lib-lame :) ) I maintain a ffmpeg build and two of codec code destinations are SF. lame and opencore-amr.
- lozf 11y agoThat reminds me - SoX is still there.
- scrollaway 11y agoWe're in the process of fully removing ourselves from Sourceforge (LXDE). At work (Pootle), we're also moving our mailing lists away from Sourceforge. They were the last bit of SF we still used.
- david-given 11y agoWhere to, if I may ask? I have some small projects I'm trying to get away from SF, and the mailing lists are the hardest bit --- finding mailing list providers which support bulk import isn't easy.
- scrollaway 11y agoDiscourse is what we're currently looking at. They have very nice pricing options for both one-time-installs and continued hosting/support.
- david-given 11y agoI looked at Discourse, and for the scale of my projects the pricing is unmanageable. Hosted by them it's $1000+ a year; hosted by me it's still $100+ a year ($200+ for the first year). Installing it and running it myself requires spinning up a moderately high-end docker instance, which I'm unwilling to do (not only does it cost money, but I've only just managed to stop running my own servers, and it's great).
- scrollaway 11y agoWhy don't you pick the one-time install ($100) on a server you already own? If your ML is low-traffic there's no reason it should cost you much more than a couple dollars a month.
- david-given 11y agoThey won't install it on my own server. The $100 one-time install fee installs it on a virtual server with Digital Ocean, which then costs $10 a month hosting.
- chime 11y agoI was surprised to find Keepass on it today.
- japhyr 11y agoI think NumPy still uses SourceForge.
- celias 11y agoand github - https://github.com/numpy/numpy https://github.com/numpy/numpy
- japhyr 11y agoThis is great! It still looks like you have to go to SF for the windows installers; am I missing something? Do you know if there's any plans to move away from SourceForge? If I was in charge of the project, I'm not sure what I'd do. Maybe move all active development to github, but not abandon the SF repo to malware injection?
- est 11y agohomebrew?
- Tehnix 11y agoAren't they on github? https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew
- lvillani 11y agoThey used to use SourceForge to distribute bottles (binaries), but have switched to Bintray a while ago.
- ashkulz 11y agoDo you know anyone else who uses bintray? I'm considering hosting downloads for the open source projects I maintain with them, but never heard of it much before.
- lvillani 11y agoOff the top of my head I recall only Vagrant (https://bintray.com/mitchellh/vagrant/vagrant https://bintray.com/mitchellh/vagrant/vagrant)
- wyclif 11y agoFor some odd reason, when I try to do 'brew upgrade tmux' I get the error 'tmux 1.9a already installed.' I want to upgrade to tmux2.
- PuercoPop 11y agoSBCL (one of the more popular CL implementations) is on sourceforge
- gnurag 11y agoI think FUSE is still on SourceForge.
- axcocq 11y agoMinGW-w64 I tried to find a mirror but couldn't. They link to Sourceforge from their official site.
- lloeki 11y agoScummVM, Inkscape and wkhtmltopdf seem to be hosted there.
- boundlessdreamz 11y agoNot wkhtmltopdf - It is on github and has been for some time. https://github.com/wkhtmltopdf/wkhtmltopdf https://github.com/wkhtmltopdf/wkhtmltopdf It was never on sourceforge as far as I know. It was in Google Code and then later github
- spdionis 11y agoExcept that the download links on wkhtmltopdf.org send you on Sourceforge...
- boundlessdreamz 11y agoAh! I had forgotten about that
- ashkulz 11y agoThat will be changing in the near future. Still undecided about where the downloads will be hosted, though.
- TomFrost 11y agoScummVM has been maintained on GitHub for a few years now: https://github.com/scummvm/scummvm https://github.com/scummvm/scummvm The downloads are still on SF, though. That's unfortunate.
- S4M 11y agoMaxima (computer algebra system) is still using SourceForge: http://maxima.sourceforge.net/ http://maxima.sourceforge.net/ It is one of the oldest software in the world.
- Arkanosis 11y ago7-Zip is still partially relying on SF, though the downloads seem to been moved elsewhere.
- rbanffy 11y agoNot everyone is into retrocomputing, but CDE is huge, if not very active.
- nes350 11y agozsh: http://www.zsh.org/ http://www.zsh.org/
- hugh4life 11y agoThe Lazarus IDE(Delphi Clone... 1,500 downloads a day) uses it for at least their downloads. If projects need to host binaries what are the best alternative to sourceforge?
- nitrogen 11y agoGitHub should work these days.
- brianzelip 11y agogit's OSX build is on sourceforge.
- kbrosnan 11y agoKeepass uses them for downloads, forums and issue tracking. It is often in the sf.net top 10 projects. http://keepass.info http://keepass.info
- dewyatt 11y agoGeoServer uses it to host their Windows installer and other binaries, etc
- ghshephard 11y agoAs a daily user of Tmux, I can't tell you how happy I am that they've bailed out of there. It was always really odd to me that they weren't either on a self-hosted CVS server somewhere or on GitHub - how all is well in the world.
- easytiger 11y agoMailing lists on google groups, which is fine by me, but annoys a lot of people.
- lcswi 11y agoEspecially because you cannot even read them without JavaScript or signing up.
- RexRollman 11y agoNo mirrors?
- k_bx 11y agoWhy? I just subscribed to all messages and use it as any other mailing list – in my email.
- ta0967 11y agogoogle tries very hard to leave the impression that you must have a gmail/google/google+ (not sure, haven't had the misfortune of doing this for some time) account to subscribe.
- k_bx 11y agoI don't see a problem here, you can just get a gmail account and read mail however you like still, configuring mail client of choice. UPDATE: wow, didn't know you can't even read messages without being google-user. Yeah, that's boorish a bit. UPDATE2: turned out that's not true. You can read google group perfectly fine without signing in: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/tmux-users https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/tmux-users
- kolev 11y agoFinally!
- caf 11y agoI notice they're using Google Groups for mailing lists - how have people found Google Groups as a technical mailing list provider?
- scrollaway 11y agoIt's not bad, to be honest, just a bit awkward to use if you don't have a google account (it's sometimes fairly hard to subscribe without one). I wouldn't recommend it for FOSS projects. Unfortunately, there's not much alternative out there. I'm currently looking at Discourse, which has a mailing list mode. We might move to that.
- justincormack 11y agofreelists.org is what I have been using for mailing lists.
- inglor 11y agoI participate in several Google Groups for large projects. I hate it - I find navigation not obvious, discussions aggregated poorly, formatting inconsistent and content not prioritised. I much prefer discourse or even GitHub issues.
- thomasahle 11y agoSurely those issues are not related to using Google Groups as an email list?
- inglor 11y agoCorrect, but I do find github issues - even as an email list much nicer.
- fletchowns 11y agoThey tried to move the Chef mailing list to Google but it didn't work out. Not sure what they had issues with. https://www.chef.io/blog/2015/02/04/14389/ https://www.chef.io/blog/2015/02/04/14389/
- raverbashing 11y agoWith so many alternatives (even besides GitHub) I wonder why some took so much time to change. There was Google Code, Landscape, or even self-hosted Git amongst others.
- erikb 11y agoMost projects have quite a lot on the table without worrying about hosting all the time. There are bugs you have a hard time fixing or even finding, there are many opinions on how the project should develop (including some real paying customers if you are a successful project), there are people problems in the team. And hosting is something that probably hasn't been touched for years. Maybe the guys who configured it the first time around aren't even on the team any more. Without big news something so basic is probably not even on the table.
- nacs 11y agoDon't think Google Code would have been much of an improvement. I'm pretty sure Google has abandoned further development on it and have so for a while now.
- david-given 11y agoGoogle Code's being shut down in January 2016: http://google-opensource.blogspot.ch/2015/03/farewell-to-google-code.html http://google-opensource.blogspot.ch/2015/03/farewell-to-goo... There's an automated Google Code to github migration tool.
- doiwin 11y agoSourceForge was founded 1999. Now, 16 years later they start to abuse their power. GitHub was launched 2008. Does this mean we can expect GitHub to start abusing our data by 2024?
- TeMPOraL 11y agoQuite possibly. As the market matures and gets more competitive, people are being forced to sacrifice every value, one by one, to boost short-term profits. It seems to be a common dynamic in just about every industry.
- pbhjpbhj 11y agoAre the people making those decisions on the poverty line or are they making them to make themselves even richer? [Yes it's literally a false dichotomy, I think my meaning is clear though.]
- TeMPOraL 11y agoBoth, actually. It doesn't even have to be a conscious choice; if you had every CEO make business decisions at random, those companies that made themselves more competitive would still thrive, while the others would die. Those who keep sacrificing values tend to outcompete the ones who don't, and so the values end up being sacrificed regardless of however humans rationalize it to themselves while making decisions.
- josephg 11y agoGithub has a stable business model which depends on their reputation as a host. As I understand it, that isn't something that could ever be said of SourceForge. I'm not saying github will be around forever, but I highly doubt they'll make the same mistake sourceforge is making now.
- madaxe_again 11y agoSF was highly reputable back in the day - why else do you think so many projects which have roots back in the 90's are hosted there? Never say never. 15 years ago nobody would've dreamt SF would have gone this way.
- jedisct1 11y agoI really wish MSys2 also left SourceForge, especially since it comes with a Windows installer.
- RayDonnelly 11y agoWe hear you, so long as our project isn't hijacked we'll never agree to malware (or any other) bundling. Hopefully SF will not deem us to have abandoned the project either!
- GutenYe 11y agoGreat news :)
- joosters 11y agoNow just wait for the 'tmux.mirror' project to appear on Sourceforge, 'maintained' by the SF admins...
- codychan 11y agoFinally. I remember that the fist problem occurred to me that wasn't not solved by Google was solved by asking in the mailing list of tmux, and now it it moved to Github, I can finally ask question at the issue page.
- jnbiche 11y agoPlease don't do that. The issues page is for issues, not support. Even if TMUX is one of the few projects where the maintainers don't mind answering support questions on the issues page (not likely), it's a bad habit to get into. Please ask support questions on StackOverflow, or the mailing list, or IRC. Not the issues page. It makes life much harder for the maintainer. (God, I'm such a greybeard now)
- alptony 11y agoFrom the "tmux-users" mailing list: > Will pull requests on GitHub now be allowed as a means of contributing patches? > No, patches still need to come by email to me [Nicholas Marriott] or the ML. I wonder, what's the main reason behind it? What's wrong with Github PRs?
- rplnt 11y agoThe comments section.
- astrodust 11y agoI prefer GitHub comments over inane mailing lists where you either get everything, or nothing. GitHub's issue notifications are opt-in per issue, and still come by email if you want. People who only take patches by email are being jerks.
- dagw 11y agoI don't know what issues tmux has, but these are the reasons Linus also refuses to use Github PRs: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/pull/17 https://github.com/torvalds/linux/pull/17
- mrweasel 11y agoI believe, and I might be very wrong, that tmux is developed in the OpenBSD CVS tree, and patches are then merged from there to Github. The patches would need to be applied to the code in CVS, so a Github pull-request would be useless.
- justincormack 11y agoFreeBSD has worked out a combined svn and github pull request workflow, although mayb esvn is easier to do this with than cvs.
- pm215 11y agoEven if there are no problems with github PRs in themselves, the tmux developers will certainly have an established workflow for reviewing patches and applying them. The last thing they want to do while they're migrating from one hosting site to another is to upend their entirely functional code review workflow when that's not the thing that's broken and forcing the migration...
- mataug 11y agoFinally !
- jbnicolai 11y agoGlad to hear! Small plug, but I suppose the only people reading these comments are interested in tmux: https://github.com/tmux-plugins https://github.com/tmux-plugins
- MichaelCrawford 11y agohttp://www.slashdotmedia.com/ http://www.slashdotmedia.com/ We are not the customers, we are the product.
- fithisux 11y agoDo you know why souceforge.jp has become osdn.jp? I usually download new tera term releases from there. (and of course ffftp)
- notfoss 11y agoFor the last few days, I was getting 404s on a lot of tmux links on sourceforge. Guess this explains that ;)
- jhallenworld 11y agoUgh, what a PITA this is going to be (my project JOE is on sourceforge and people are starting to complain). All links point to sourceforge, so how long will they take to update? When I search for "TMUX source download" I get sourceforge. If sourceforge takes over your abandoned project, I imagine that they will remove forwarding links to the replacement.
- artursapek 11y agoI see SourceForge as being to code hosting platforms as GoDaddy is to domain registrars. They both started in the late 90s, exploded, and suffered from their success. They became infested with bad management, became bloated and difficult to use, and employed skeezy money-making tactics. GoDaddy doesn't seem to be in trouble the way SourceForge is, though.
- thefreeman 11y agoHonestly, I don't see how they aren't in trouble yet. With how long GoDaddy has been around, and how dominant they are in terms of "casual" domain owners, it blew me away when I saw that they have yet to be profitable a single year.
- briandear 11y agoHowever Amazon isn't profitable either -- never has been.
- thefreeman 11y agoTrue, however Amazon has been constantly investing in new warehouses, infrastructure, adding new products, expanding their current offerings, etc. I can't think of a single unique or new thing GoDaddy has done in the past 10 years.
- jdiez17 11y agoThey do have lots of fancy ads.
- LMAlVvQjSGj 11y agoA lot of sexist ads as well.
- tertius 11y agoAsset increase yoy is pretty ridiculous.
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- brg 11y agoFor some background on why a team may wish to leave SourceForge, I found this earlier hn article to be enlightening: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2739995 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2739995
- seba_dos1 11y agoEverybody should, and that shouldn't be newsworthy.