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Today is Debian 8 release day

362 points by xyby 11y ago

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- mavhc 11y ago
  Toy Story 2
zatkin 11y ago
I wonder where they came up with the name "Jessie".
- stephenr 11y ago
  All the release names are characters from the Toy Story franchise.
  - giancarlostoro 11y ago
    Hence the unstable branch is always known as "Sid"
  - feld 11y ago
    You just ruined a golden opportunity.
    - stephenr 11y ago
      ....?
- pyed 11y ago
  img of Jessie: http://bit.ly/1I83Qha http://bit.ly/1I83Qha
bemused 11y ago
dont wont to criticize any of the great & mainly voluntary work of the debian folks, but not quite sure how to interpret these statistics [1] looks like jessie is going to be the first debian stable to be released with rc-critical issues and not "when it's done" some of the bugs referred [2] seem quite critical indeed, maybe someone with more insight could comment on this? [1] http://richardhartmann.de/blog/posts/2015/04/24-Debian_Release_Critical_Bug_report_for_Week_17/ http://richardhartmann.de/blog/posts/2015/04/24-Debian_Relea... [2] https://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=jessie_and_sid&patch=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&fnewerval=7&rc=1&sortby=id&sorto=asc&ctags=1&ctags=1&cdeferred=1&keypackages=only&chints=1&cdeferred=1&crttags=1#results https://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=jessie_and_sid&patch...
- jestinjoy1 11y ago
  Thats interesting. One thing that is said about Debian is "most stable GNU/Linux". Now it seems, it is a thing of the past. https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ Any idea why they have gone with this?
  - Demiurge 11y ago
    Wouldn't that only be true if there is a more stable distro? What would that be?
- kasabali 11y ago
  I hope stable release team accepts fixes to some of those issues into later updates.
- marcosdumay 11y ago
  Took a quick look at some of the bugs that would affect me... It's systemd, systemd and systemd. Oh, yeah, that's Debian's systemd release.
  - progman 11y ago
    People who dislike systemd can take a look at http://without-systemd.org http://without-systemd.org.
jfaucett 11y ago
Awesome. I'd just like to thank the whole Debian team myself - I'm not affiliated so its not a pat on my own back :). I've been running Debian for years now on my servers, on my own personal computers and its a great system, so thanks! On a side note, just last night I was watching a video of Linus at DebianConf where he talked a bit about solving the linux desktop problem (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mg5_gxNXTo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mg5_gxNXTo). Its great that SteamOS is building on top of Debian and I'm exited to see what effects this will have towards making distribution of cross-linux-distro apps easier for developers. I think the fact that valve is on Linux is going to have a big impact on providing distros that non-technical users can easily enjoy. Anyways, thanks again :)
xyby 11y ago
I have some legacy linux servers that need an update to a new OS. Is Debian 8 a good choice? All I care about is that stuff just works for as many years as possible, gets security updates and does not break.
- giancarlostoro 11y ago
  Debian is really well-made, we've used it at my college to host a yearly programming competition since 2012, it's stable, quick, and rather simple to maintain, especially if you're not doing anything too complex, other than hosting a couple of PHP files on top of a web server, that's the full scope of what we've done. I am not a security expert so that I couldn't answer on, we've not yet had any breaches yet, despite all the major things that came out last year or so, 'Heartbleed', and 'Shell Shock'. I think the best option for you is to try it out on one machine maybe via LiveCD and see how you like or don't like it.
- davorb 11y ago
  > All I care about is that stuff just works for as many years as possible, gets security updates and does not break I would go with FreeBSD or Debian.
  - david-given 11y ago
    Why not do both? https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/
    - justincormack 11y ago
      Because FreeBSD has really good community support and great documentation, while Debian kFreeBSD is a tiny community. And I really do not see the point - the GNU userspace is mostly available in ports if you want it on freebsd, but the FreeBSD userspace is generally as good.
    - ohjesusthatguy2 11y ago
      "Finally, the Debian ports to the FreeBSD kernel, kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386, included as technology previews in Debian 6.0 and Debian 7, are not part of this release."[0] [0]https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/...
verytrivial 11y ago
For anyone using a Debian derivative/repackage, that "systemd" thing everyone was moaning about? It has just happened. Interesting times.
- deleted 11y ago
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- stephenr 11y ago
  Install. Restore sysvinit. Reboot. Problem solved.
  - Shish2k 11y ago
    Upgrade from wheezy. Continue using sysvinit because "continue using what's installed already" trumps "systemd is default for fresh installs". Problem doesn't even exist. (I actually like systemd, just adding to the list of ways that Debian makes it easy to avoid it, in the hope of the whiners whining less :P)
    - stephenr 11y ago
      The docs indicate sysvinit will be replaced by systemd-sysv for wheezy upgrades
      - Shish2k 11y ago
        Gah, looks like that changed recently (I did an upgrade a couple of weeks back and it wasn't the case), and I can't edit my comment any more :(
      - progman 11y ago
        It seems to be possible to stay with sysvinit in Jessie: http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/How_to_stay_with_sysvinit_in_Debian_Jessie.html http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/How_to_stay_with_sysv...
butwhy 11y ago
How safe is a dist-upgrade from 7.8 to 8?
- kasabali 11y ago
  Debian upgrades are pretty reliable (IMHO best among linux distros) but I can't guarantee you won't have problems in your particular setup :)
  - Silhouette 11y ago
    Counterpoint: Upgrading from 6 to 7, every single machine I use, from a home server to various professionally managed machines at work, had at least one serious problem. RAID and bootloaders raised a few issues for example. We got everything working eventually, but the amount of wasted time even with very experienced sysadmins looking after some of those machines was silly. Debian is generally very good with stability for things like security updates and we certainly plan to continue using it. However, our plans for updating this time are more along the lines of "set up completely new machine with Debian 8 from the start, install our own choice of packages and applications, and then systematically migrate data/connectivity from the old systems to the new ones". We expect the time and money costs of having the transition period to be less than the potential downtime if direct upgrades take as much effort as they did from 6 to 7. Your mileage may vary, Linux has infinite possibilities and ours may just have been unlucky, the plural of anecdote is not data, etc.
    - kasabali 11y ago
      Best strategy is having a backup image and testing the upgrade procedure on a test machine beforehand, if possible. This release may be especially problematic because of the systemd change (it is possible to boot with sysvinit in Grub menu, but remote upgraders should beware). Did your last upgrade issues stem from the upgrade procedure or were they because of new versions?
      - Silhouette 11y ago
stonewhite 11y ago
I wonder when Raspbian will be rebased to Debian 8.
- justincormack 11y ago
  The Raspberry Pi 2 no longer needs a special port, and should work with stock Debian out of the box, ending the whole arm6k fiasco...
johnchristopher 11y ago
That's not an official release statement. It's a month old mail stating Debian targeted today as a release date for Debian 8 (edit: latest news item in the list).
- xyby 11y ago
  Mailing? It links to a mailing. But the page is release.debian.org - do you have any more authoritative source for a different release date? Also on identi.ca they wrote today: "FTP/Release teams' work is complete; once CD testing is complete, the mirrors will be updated and jessie will be released!" https://identi.ca/debian https://identi.ca/debian
  - grimgrin 11y ago
    You linked to a release page that has a series of announcements. The most recent announcement is from March, and also a mailing list. That's all they meant. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00016.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00... Today they will make an additional announcement.
  - johnchristopher 11y ago
    Check the submitted page (https://release.debian.org/ https://release.debian.org/) and you'll see that even now that Debian 8 is released they don't mention Debian 8 being released or added any new item about that release. So, no that page didn't (and still doesn't) announce Debian 8 release.
- jestinjoy1 11y ago
  Debian Twitter page has also got live coverage https://twitter.com/debian https://twitter.com/debian
- mmarx 11y ago
  How about a mail[0] on the mirror announce mailing list from half an hour ago? “As you are probably already aware of, Debian 8.0 "jessie", is just a few hours away from becoming the next stable release. This is a heads up in case you were not aware of, as there is probably going to be a higher load on the mirrors.” [0] https://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors-announce/2015/04/msg00000.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors-announce/2015/04/msg...
johnydepp 11y ago
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kasabali 11y ago
live updates: https://identi.ca/debian https://identi.ca/debian release can happen any moment!
viyyer 11y ago
Just on the side note. This was announced on microsoft website about them celebrating about Debian release. http://openness.microsoft.com/blog/2015/04/21/microsoft-debian-8-linuxfest/ http://openness.microsoft.com/blog/2015/04/21/microsoft-debi...
- aruggirello 11y ago
  I wonder why, following their new "openness" motto, Microsoft is still not: 1) porting Visual Studio to Linux. 2) porting Office to Linux, or 3) contributing to Wine, with the goal of solving long-standing issues with their (above) software - but hey they could contribute in other areas too, since Wine is far from complete (a USB driver/stack is much needed IMHO). I won't believe in Microsoft "openness" until I see one of the three above. Edit: the fact they're using this event mainly to promote Azure services rather than talking about differences/upgrading issues from debian 7 to 8 speaks of itself.
  - Sammi 11y ago
    MS is only open in so far that it aligns with their business plans. They have a long term plan for Azure and need more .Net developers for it. Hence making .Net more attractive by opening it up. Does not mean they will open up other things.
    - mmgutz 11y ago
      This seems to be their strategy but it could backfire. Once Windows developers and enterprises start using Linux and other clouds instead of Windows Server and Azure, we might see the old MS again.
      - MichaelGG 11y ago
        Azure is twice the price of Google for compute (VM). Azure was really a PaaS and it still shows. They really hope you bring you in on using their software, not just the VM aspect. I'm not overly convinced, but it is probably a decent strategy. Some folks will say "hey I need a message queue" and use Azure's instead of hosting in a VM. Lock in. Azure is even doing this for stuff like Redis, I suppose to get more people on the idea of using hosted software vs machines. In fact their infrastructure offerings are pretty weak (like SSD, or networking).
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- eugeneionesco 11y ago
  You obviously never did any serious work with Linux.
azdael 11y ago
So, what speaks against a netinstall and what in favor of it? Frankly i would just get the DVD package, will i be missing any advantages?
- kasabali 11y ago
  If you're not sure you can get the wifi card working in installer, then get DVD. Otherwise (you can get the wifi card recognized, or installing via ethernet etc.) there is no reason.
- hartator 11y ago
  DVD makes sense if you have a dvd player (!) and not a good internet connection. Netinstall are pretty reliable now.
  - azdael 11y ago
    Ok, good, Thanks! So i basically won't be missing any important and hip packages? :D
    - click170 11y ago
      They're different mediums, but they install the same Operating System. The packages available do not change based on the medium used.
- corford 11y ago
  Depends what you're using it for. If you're putting Debian on a server, go with netinst, deselect everything in tasksel during the install and then apt-get only what you need post installation. That way you start with a very lean < ~700MB base install with no unnecessary garbage on your system to worry about.
chdir 11y ago
As an AWS user, I switched from Amazon Linux to Ubuntu 14.04 because it's easy to replicate the development environment. No performance/stability issues so far however I'm curious if Debian 8 has an edge over Ubuntu 14.04 for a medium sized website on AWS. My only gripe with Ubuntu is that apt-get doesn't have the latest stables packages (like Amazon Linux does). I'm guessing it would be the same with Debian.
- chimeracoder 11y ago
  > My only gripe with Ubuntu is that apt-get doesn't have the latest stables packages (like Amazon Linux does). I'm guessing it would be the same with Debian. Depends on your definition of "stable". Since distros vary widely on what they consider to be "stable", comparing various distros' stable releases is like comparing processors by raw GHz values or dSLRs by megapixels alone. Debian Stable is the last place to go if you want very recent builds of packages, but the first place to go if you want absolute, rock-solid stability. Debian Sid (unstable) has the latest versions of each of the packages, though Debian's guidelines are strict enough that testing and sid are oftentimes more stable than the "stable" releases of other distros. My advice (and this is what I do): Run Debian stable (Jessie, as of today) as a base image, and use an appropriate container for applications that require more up-to-date applications. Best of both worlds.
  - macattacke 11y ago
    Actually they call it stable because it doesn't change. It achieves a reputation of stability because of the development process and not shipping until bugs are eliminated.
- theg2 11y ago
  Debian does tend to run behind and prefer more stable and "mature" releases so I doubt you'll find what you're looking for with 8.
  - kasabali 11y ago
    I don't know Amazon Linux packages but Debian 8 packages are newer than Ubuntu 14.04 ones, so he might find what he's looking for unless he always wants newest versions.
pinjiz 11y ago
Help testing the final images: https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianCD/ReleaseTesting/Jessie https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianCD/ReleaseTesting/Jessie
arexi 11y ago
Have been running Debian on all of my computers for a while now and couldn't be happier with it. Fantastic distro made by a great team, thanks for another great release!
PascalW 11y ago
Great, congrats to the Debian team!
staunch 11y ago
Congrats to the Debian team for their excellent craftsmanship. Debian is, and always has been, an incredible example of great software.
lolok 11y ago
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D4AHNGM 11y ago
Minor highlight: Debian 8 ships with an OpenSSL which has SSLv3 disabled at compile-time.
- gcr 11y ago
  Do you mean that only TLS is supported now?
  - D4AHNGM 11y ago
    Aye. The Debian compile rules for Jessie's OpenSSL include "no-ssl2 no-ssl3 no-ssl3-method" so it's just TLS1.0 onwards available.
  - ben_bai 11y ago
    SSLv3 is so 1996... Please, please, please with sugar on top, use TLS only. Also there are lots of changes in the software world in the last 20 years, which the SSL codebase didn't keep up with (mainly meaning OpenSSL).
e12e 11y ago
I think maybe it's more accurate to say that today is planned release day? Two relevant links: (Second) latest post to debian-devel-announce: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/04/msg00009.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/04/msg00... And latest post to debian-announce (concerning the latest stable point release, 7.8): https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2015/04/msg00000.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2015/04/msg00000.ht...
- e12e 11y ago
  For posterity, jessie now has an official release announcement email: https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2015/msg00001.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2015/msg00001.html Also note that the link to the 7.8 point release above is wrong, the correct link is: https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2015/msg00000.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2015/msg00000.html
vitaut 11y ago
And here's the official announcement: https://bits.debian.org/2015/04/jessie-released.html https://bits.debian.org/2015/04/jessie-released.html
mrmondo 11y ago
As a long time Debian user in a professional environment I was really excited to see that Debian 8 finally added proper SELinux policies - however my colleagues and I were very disappointed to see that these (although working without noticeable issue) were dropped at the last minute with no explanation. Several people in the community have asked what happened to the packages but had no reply from the Debian mailing list. I've asked several times on twitter but I too have had no response from the official Debian twitter account. Sources: * http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/selinux-devel/2015-April/001233.html http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/selinux-devel/2015-... * http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/selinux-devel/2015-April/001234.html http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/selinux-devel/2015-... * https://twitter.com/s_mcleod/status/589699467885948928 https://twitter.com/s_mcleod/status/589699467885948928 * https://twitter.com/s_mcleod/status/583172820802281472 https://twitter.com/s_mcleod/status/583172820802281472
- vbernat 11y ago
  It's unfortunate that you didn't get an answer from your posts in the mailing list but the package has been dropped because of those "grave/serious" bugs: * https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=771484 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=771484 * https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=756729 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=756729 The main problem seems to be there is not enough manpower to keep those policies up-to-date. Once there are "grave/serious" bugs, a non-essential package is usually dropped from testing (hence from the next stable). If people care enough, this is usually a hint to fix those bugs. If you want to help, you can help fixing thos bugs: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=refpolicy https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=refpolicy Once the bugs are fixed, the package can be backported to Jessie.
  - mrmondo 11y ago
    That's interesting indeed - I just don't see how a modern security conscious distribution can be considered releasable without SELinux working. We were using them just fine in a pre-prod (waiting for Jessie to be released) environment. We weren't using GPG but experienced no other issues. Right now, to get around the problem we have ported Fedora's policies across. I'm unsure if these two bugs exist when using Fedora's policies but I'd say they would be.
starikovs 11y ago
On docker hub https://registry.hub.docker.com/_/debian/ https://registry.hub.docker.com/_/debian/
pvaldes 11y ago
Lets raise our mugs for complete, global, saturation... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjVNlG5cZyQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjVNlG5cZyQ

362 points by xyby 11y ago

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mavhc 11y ago
Toy Story 2

zatkin 11y ago

I wonder where they came up with the name "Jessie".

stephenr 11y ago
All the release names are characters from the Toy Story franchise.
- giancarlostoro 11y ago
  Hence the unstable branch is always known as "Sid"
- feld 11y ago
  You just ruined a golden opportunity.
  - stephenr 11y ago
    ....?
pyed 11y ago
img of Jessie: http://bit.ly/1I83Qha http://bit.ly/1I83Qha

bemused 11y ago

dont wont to criticize any of the great & mainly voluntary work of the debian folks, but not quite sure how to interpret these statistics [1] looks like jessie is going to be the first debian stable to be released with rc-critical issues and not "when it's done" some of the bugs referred [2] seem quite critical indeed, maybe someone with more insight could comment on this? [1] http://richardhartmann.de/blog/posts/2015/04/24-Debian_Release_Critical_Bug_report_for_Week_17/ http://richardhartmann.de/blog/posts/2015/04/24-Debian_Relea... [2] https://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=jessie_and_sid&patch=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&fnewerval=7&rc=1&sortby=id&sorto=asc&ctags=1&ctags=1&cdeferred=1&keypackages=only&chints=1&cdeferred=1&crttags=1#results https://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=jessie_and_sid&patch...

jestinjoy1 11y ago
Thats interesting. One thing that is said about Debian is "most stable GNU/Linux". Now it seems, it is a thing of the past. https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ Any idea why they have gone with this?
- Demiurge 11y ago
  Wouldn't that only be true if there is a more stable distro? What would that be?
kasabali 11y ago
I hope stable release team accepts fixes to some of those issues into later updates.
marcosdumay 11y ago
Took a quick look at some of the bugs that would affect me... It's systemd, systemd and systemd. Oh, yeah, that's Debian's systemd release.
- progman 11y ago
  People who dislike systemd can take a look at http://without-systemd.org http://without-systemd.org.

jfaucett 11y ago

Awesome. I'd just like to thank the whole Debian team myself - I'm not affiliated so its not a pat on my own back :). I've been running Debian for years now on my servers, on my own personal computers and its a great system, so thanks! On a side note, just last night I was watching a video of Linus at DebianConf where he talked a bit about solving the linux desktop problem (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mg5_gxNXTo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mg5_gxNXTo). Its great that SteamOS is building on top of Debian and I'm exited to see what effects this will have towards making distribution of cross-linux-distro apps easier for developers. I think the fact that valve is on Linux is going to have a big impact on providing distros that non-technical users can easily enjoy. Anyways, thanks again :)

xyby 11y ago

I have some legacy linux servers that need an update to a new OS. Is Debian 8 a good choice? All I care about is that stuff just works for as many years as possible, gets security updates and does not break.

giancarlostoro 11y ago
Debian is really well-made, we've used it at my college to host a yearly programming competition since 2012, it's stable, quick, and rather simple to maintain, especially if you're not doing anything too complex, other than hosting a couple of PHP files on top of a web server, that's the full scope of what we've done. I am not a security expert so that I couldn't answer on, we've not yet had any breaches yet, despite all the major things that came out last year or so, 'Heartbleed', and 'Shell Shock'. I think the best option for you is to try it out on one machine maybe via LiveCD and see how you like or don't like it.
davorb 11y ago
> All I care about is that stuff just works for as many years as possible, gets security updates and does not break I would go with FreeBSD or Debian.
- david-given 11y ago
  Why not do both? https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/
  - justincormack 11y ago
    Because FreeBSD has really good community support and great documentation, while Debian kFreeBSD is a tiny community. And I really do not see the point - the GNU userspace is mostly available in ports if you want it on freebsd, but the FreeBSD userspace is generally as good.
  - ohjesusthatguy2 11y ago
    "Finally, the Debian ports to the FreeBSD kernel, kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386, included as technology previews in Debian 6.0 and Debian 7, are not part of this release."[0] [0]https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/...

verytrivial 11y ago

For anyone using a Debian derivative/repackage, that "systemd" thing everyone was moaning about? It has just happened. Interesting times.

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stephenr 11y ago
Install. Restore sysvinit. Reboot. Problem solved.
- Shish2k 11y ago
  Upgrade from wheezy. Continue using sysvinit because "continue using what's installed already" trumps "systemd is default for fresh installs". Problem doesn't even exist. (I actually like systemd, just adding to the list of ways that Debian makes it easy to avoid it, in the hope of the whiners whining less :P)
  - stephenr 11y ago
    The docs indicate sysvinit will be replaced by systemd-sysv for wheezy upgrades
    - Shish2k 11y ago
      Gah, looks like that changed recently (I did an upgrade a couple of weeks back and it wasn't the case), and I can't edit my comment any more :(
    - progman 11y ago
      It seems to be possible to stay with sysvinit in Jessie: http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/How_to_stay_with_sysvinit_in_Debian_Jessie.html http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/How_to_stay_with_sysv...

butwhy 11y ago

How safe is a dist-upgrade from 7.8 to 8?

kasabali 11y ago
Debian upgrades are pretty reliable (IMHO best among linux distros) but I can't guarantee you won't have problems in your particular setup :)
- Silhouette 11y ago
  Counterpoint: Upgrading from 6 to 7, every single machine I use, from a home server to various professionally managed machines at work, had at least one serious problem. RAID and bootloaders raised a few issues for example. We got everything working eventually, but the amount of wasted time even with very experienced sysadmins looking after some of those machines was silly. Debian is generally very good with stability for things like security updates and we certainly plan to continue using it. However, our plans for updating this time are more along the lines of "set up completely new machine with Debian 8 from the start, install our own choice of packages and applications, and then systematically migrate data/connectivity from the old systems to the new ones". We expect the time and money costs of having the transition period to be less than the potential downtime if direct upgrades take as much effort as they did from 6 to 7. Your mileage may vary, Linux has infinite possibilities and ours may just have been unlucky, the plural of anecdote is not data, etc.
  - kasabali 11y ago
    Best strategy is having a backup image and testing the upgrade procedure on a test machine beforehand, if possible. This release may be especially problematic because of the systemd change (it is possible to boot with sysvinit in Grub menu, but remote upgraders should beware). Did your last upgrade issues stem from the upgrade procedure or were they because of new versions?
    - Silhouette 11y ago

stonewhite 11y ago

I wonder when Raspbian will be rebased to Debian 8.

justincormack 11y ago
The Raspberry Pi 2 no longer needs a special port, and should work with stock Debian out of the box, ending the whole arm6k fiasco...

johnchristopher 11y ago

That's not an official release statement. It's a month old mail stating Debian targeted today as a release date for Debian 8 (edit: latest news item in the list).

xyby 11y ago
Mailing? It links to a mailing. But the page is release.debian.org - do you have any more authoritative source for a different release date? Also on identi.ca they wrote today: "FTP/Release teams' work is complete; once CD testing is complete, the mirrors will be updated and jessie will be released!" https://identi.ca/debian https://identi.ca/debian
- grimgrin 11y ago
  You linked to a release page that has a series of announcements. The most recent announcement is from March, and also a mailing list. That's all they meant. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00016.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00... Today they will make an additional announcement.
- johnchristopher 11y ago
  Check the submitted page (https://release.debian.org/ https://release.debian.org/) and you'll see that even now that Debian 8 is released they don't mention Debian 8 being released or added any new item about that release. So, no that page didn't (and still doesn't) announce Debian 8 release.
jestinjoy1 11y ago
Debian Twitter page has also got live coverage https://twitter.com/debian https://twitter.com/debian
mmarx 11y ago
How about a mail[0] on the mirror announce mailing list from half an hour ago? “As you are probably already aware of, Debian 8.0 "jessie", is just a few hours away from becoming the next stable release. This is a heads up in case you were not aware of, as there is probably going to be a higher load on the mirrors.” [0] https://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors-announce/2015/04/msg00000.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors-announce/2015/04/msg...

johnydepp 11y ago

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kasabali 11y ago

live updates: https://identi.ca/debian https://identi.ca/debian release can happen any moment!

viyyer 11y ago

Just on the side note. This was announced on microsoft website about them celebrating about Debian release. http://openness.microsoft.com/blog/2015/04/21/microsoft-debian-8-linuxfest/ http://openness.microsoft.com/blog/2015/04/21/microsoft-debi...

aruggirello 11y ago
I wonder why, following their new "openness" motto, Microsoft is still not: 1) porting Visual Studio to Linux. 2) porting Office to Linux, or 3) contributing to Wine, with the goal of solving long-standing issues with their (above) software - but hey they could contribute in other areas too, since Wine is far from complete (a USB driver/stack is much needed IMHO). I won't believe in Microsoft "openness" until I see one of the three above. Edit: the fact they're using this event mainly to promote Azure services rather than talking about differences/upgrading issues from debian 7 to 8 speaks of itself.
- Sammi 11y ago
  MS is only open in so far that it aligns with their business plans. They have a long term plan for Azure and need more .Net developers for it. Hence making .Net more attractive by opening it up. Does not mean they will open up other things.
  - mmgutz 11y ago
    This seems to be their strategy but it could backfire. Once Windows developers and enterprises start using Linux and other clouds instead of Windows Server and Azure, we might see the old MS again.
    - MichaelGG 11y ago
      Azure is twice the price of Google for compute (VM). Azure was really a PaaS and it still shows. They really hope you bring you in on using their software, not just the VM aspect. I'm not overly convinced, but it is probably a decent strategy. Some folks will say "hey I need a message queue" and use Azure's instead of hosting in a VM. Lock in. Azure is even doing this for stuff like Redis, I suppose to get more people on the idea of using hosted software vs machines. In fact their infrastructure offerings are pretty weak (like SSD, or networking).

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eugeneionesco 11y ago
You obviously never did any serious work with Linux.

azdael 11y ago

So, what speaks against a netinstall and what in favor of it? Frankly i would just get the DVD package, will i be missing any advantages?

kasabali 11y ago
If you're not sure you can get the wifi card working in installer, then get DVD. Otherwise (you can get the wifi card recognized, or installing via ethernet etc.) there is no reason.
hartator 11y ago
DVD makes sense if you have a dvd player (!) and not a good internet connection. Netinstall are pretty reliable now.
- azdael 11y ago
  Ok, good, Thanks! So i basically won't be missing any important and hip packages? :D
  - click170 11y ago
    They're different mediums, but they install the same Operating System. The packages available do not change based on the medium used.
corford 11y ago
Depends what you're using it for. If you're putting Debian on a server, go with netinst, deselect everything in tasksel during the install and then apt-get only what you need post installation. That way you start with a very lean < ~700MB base install with no unnecessary garbage on your system to worry about.

chdir 11y ago

As an AWS user, I switched from Amazon Linux to Ubuntu 14.04 because it's easy to replicate the development environment. No performance/stability issues so far however I'm curious if Debian 8 has an edge over Ubuntu 14.04 for a medium sized website on AWS. My only gripe with Ubuntu is that apt-get doesn't have the latest stables packages (like Amazon Linux does). I'm guessing it would be the same with Debian.

chimeracoder 11y ago
> My only gripe with Ubuntu is that apt-get doesn't have the latest stables packages (like Amazon Linux does). I'm guessing it would be the same with Debian. Depends on your definition of "stable". Since distros vary widely on what they consider to be "stable", comparing various distros' stable releases is like comparing processors by raw GHz values or dSLRs by megapixels alone. Debian Stable is the last place to go if you want very recent builds of packages, but the first place to go if you want absolute, rock-solid stability. Debian Sid (unstable) has the latest versions of each of the packages, though Debian's guidelines are strict enough that testing and sid are oftentimes more stable than the "stable" releases of other distros. My advice (and this is what I do): Run Debian stable (Jessie, as of today) as a base image, and use an appropriate container for applications that require more up-to-date applications. Best of both worlds.
- macattacke 11y ago
  Actually they call it stable because it doesn't change. It achieves a reputation of stability because of the development process and not shipping until bugs are eliminated.
theg2 11y ago
Debian does tend to run behind and prefer more stable and "mature" releases so I doubt you'll find what you're looking for with 8.
- kasabali 11y ago
  I don't know Amazon Linux packages but Debian 8 packages are newer than Ubuntu 14.04 ones, so he might find what he's looking for unless he always wants newest versions.

pinjiz 11y ago

Help testing the final images: https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianCD/ReleaseTesting/Jessie https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianCD/ReleaseTesting/Jessie

arexi 11y ago

Have been running Debian on all of my computers for a while now and couldn't be happier with it. Fantastic distro made by a great team, thanks for another great release!

PascalW 11y ago

Great, congrats to the Debian team!

staunch 11y ago

Congrats to the Debian team for their excellent craftsmanship. Debian is, and always has been, an incredible example of great software.

lolok 11y ago

лысый

D4AHNGM 11y ago

Minor highlight: Debian 8 ships with an OpenSSL which has SSLv3 disabled at compile-time.

gcr 11y ago
Do you mean that only TLS is supported now?
- D4AHNGM 11y ago
  Aye. The Debian compile rules for Jessie's OpenSSL include "no-ssl2 no-ssl3 no-ssl3-method" so it's just TLS1.0 onwards available.
- ben_bai 11y ago
  SSLv3 is so 1996... Please, please, please with sugar on top, use TLS only. Also there are lots of changes in the software world in the last 20 years, which the SSL codebase didn't keep up with (mainly meaning OpenSSL).

e12e 11y ago

I think maybe it's more accurate to say that today is planned release day? Two relevant links: (Second) latest post to debian-devel-announce: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/04/msg00009.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/04/msg00... And latest post to debian-announce (concerning the latest stable point release, 7.8): https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2015/04/msg00000.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2015/04/msg00000.ht...

e12e 11y ago
For posterity, jessie now has an official release announcement email: https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2015/msg00001.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2015/msg00001.html Also note that the link to the 7.8 point release above is wrong, the correct link is: https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2015/msg00000.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2015/msg00000.html

vitaut 11y ago

And here's the official announcement: https://bits.debian.org/2015/04/jessie-released.html https://bits.debian.org/2015/04/jessie-released.html

mrmondo 11y ago

As a long time Debian user in a professional environment I was really excited to see that Debian 8 finally added proper SELinux policies - however my colleagues and I were very disappointed to see that these (although working without noticeable issue) were dropped at the last minute with no explanation. Several people in the community have asked what happened to the packages but had no reply from the Debian mailing list. I've asked several times on twitter but I too have had no response from the official Debian twitter account. Sources: * http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/selinux-devel/2015-April/001233.html http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/selinux-devel/2015-... * http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/selinux-devel/2015-April/001234.html http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/selinux-devel/2015-... * https://twitter.com/s_mcleod/status/589699467885948928 https://twitter.com/s_mcleod/status/589699467885948928 * https://twitter.com/s_mcleod/status/583172820802281472 https://twitter.com/s_mcleod/status/583172820802281472

vbernat 11y ago
It's unfortunate that you didn't get an answer from your posts in the mailing list but the package has been dropped because of those "grave/serious" bugs: * https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=771484 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=771484 * https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=756729 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=756729 The main problem seems to be there is not enough manpower to keep those policies up-to-date. Once there are "grave/serious" bugs, a non-essential package is usually dropped from testing (hence from the next stable). If people care enough, this is usually a hint to fix those bugs. If you want to help, you can help fixing thos bugs: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=refpolicy https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=refpolicy Once the bugs are fixed, the package can be backported to Jessie.
- mrmondo 11y ago
  That's interesting indeed - I just don't see how a modern security conscious distribution can be considered releasable without SELinux working. We were using them just fine in a pre-prod (waiting for Jessie to be released) environment. We weren't using GPG but experienced no other issues. Right now, to get around the problem we have ported Fedora's policies across. I'm unsure if these two bugs exist when using Fedora's policies but I'd say they would be.

starikovs 11y ago

On docker hub https://registry.hub.docker.com/_/debian/ https://registry.hub.docker.com/_/debian/

pvaldes 11y ago

Lets raise our mugs for complete, global, saturation... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjVNlG5cZyQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjVNlG5cZyQ