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Everyone who puzzles why Newton, perhaps one of the greatest geniuses in recorded history, dabbled in Alchemy should read Keynes's lecture that he prepared to

by Jun8 12y ago

Everyone who puzzles why Newton, perhaps one of the greatest geniuses in recorded history, dabbled in Alchemy should read Keynes's lecture that he prepared to read at tercentenary of Newton: http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/Extras/Keynes_Newton.html http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/Extras/Keynes_Newton.htm.... Keynes was fascinated by Newton and when his papers were sold in 1936 he managed to buy about half of them. This part in the opening of the lecture fascinates me: "In the eighteenth century and since, Newton came to be thought of as the first and greatest of the modern age of scientists, a rationalist, one who taught us to think on the lines of cold and untinctured reason. I do not see him in this light. I do not think that any one who has pored over the contents of that box which he packed up when he finally left Cambridge in 1696 and which, though partly dispersed, have come down to us, can see him like that. Newton was not the first of the age of reason. He was the last of the magicians, the last of the Babylonians and Sumerians, the last great mind which looked out on the visible and intellectual world with the same eyes as those who began to build our intellectual inheritance rather less than 10,000 years ago. Isaac Newton, a posthumous child bom with no father on Christmas Day, 1642, was the last wonderchild to whom the Magi could do sincere and appropriate homage."

atmosx 12y ago
Keynes might not see Newton under this light, but there is a reason others do: “Those who assume hypotheses as first principles of their speculations […] may indeed form an ingenious romance, but a romance it will still be.”—Roger Cotes, preface to Sir Isaac Newton’s Principia Mathematica, second edition, 1713
snowwrestler 12y ago
I would also highly recommend James Gleick's biography of Newton, which spends quite a bit of time on his alchemical work. The short story is that we can look back with the filter of 200+ years of science to appreciate Newton's role in the founding of what we know as science today, so we focus on his work in math and physics. But Newton did not have that perspective; he was discovering then, for himself, what we now take for granted. Some of his work produced lasting results, some did not. A much more recent example of a similar effect is the high levels of interest in ESP and mental powers in the 1950s, 60s, and 70s. Enormous numbers of very serious and educated scientifically minded people believed that it was possible that we would discover latent powers of the mind. We never did, and today that stuff is largely a punchline among the scientifically minded. To get a sense of this, read "golden age" sci-fi from these decades and see how often mental powers are included. Asimov's Foundation series, Larry Niven's Known Space series, Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land, Arthur C. Clarke's Childhood's End, and of course Herbert's Dune series are just a few examples.
- api 12y ago
  While I am skeptical of psi, I'm not 100% sure the drop off of that interest is progress. You can count me among those who believe that fundamental ground-breaking innovation has declined considerably since the late 70s. One potential cause that I see is a narrowing of acceptable interests and lines of inquiry, especially in academia, and the rise of a kind of hidebound dogmatic skepticism. If we don't already know it, it doesn't exist. If it hasn't already been done, it can't be done. That's gonna cut out a certain amount of possibly-silly stuff like psi, but it's also going to eliminate a lot of potentially very fruitful "out there" lines of inquiry. I am not sure you can have one without the other. How do you a priori determine what's "silly" without actually investigating things? I feel like that's analogous to solving the halting problem -- you are claiming to know whether an avenue of research will be fruitful without actually pursuing it. As far as I can see the same establishment skeptical science that no longer takes psi seriously also no longer takes any hopeful, visionary vision of the future seriously. Space colonization? Life extension? Really solving our socioeconomic problems? Meh. Hell, a huge chunk of this crowd thinks that industrial civilization itself is doomed to collapse because we've already discovered all potential sources of energy and none of them are sustainable. To these guys even suggesting visionary futures that are wholly within known physics and even known technology is too "woo woo" for them if it involves steps that have not already been taken. This isn't scientific. It's rebranded medieval scholasticism with already-known scientific theory taking the place of Vatican dogma. I'll take my psi-researching acid-dropping 50s-70s woo-woo nuts over today's boring hidebound curmudgeons any day.
  - TeMPOraL 12y ago
    > I'll take my psi-researching acid-dropping 50s-70s woo-woo nuts over today's boring hidebound curmudgeons any day. Walter Bishop comes to mind... I agree with your sentiment. The atmosphere of skepticism went into overdrive now. It seems as if a lot of otherwise smart people don't expect anything else than incremental improvements for profit of what is already here. And it's as if people lost hope. Hard problems are hard, be it living on another planet, slaughtering Moloch or conquering death - but they all are in the realms of scientific possibility, and I wish more people would be enthusiastic about pursuing them.

by Jun8 12y ago

atmosx 12y ago

Keynes might not see Newton under this light, but there is a reason others do: “Those who assume hypotheses as first principles of their speculations […] may indeed form an ingenious romance, but a romance it will still be.”—Roger Cotes, preface to Sir Isaac Newton’s Principia Mathematica, second edition, 1713

snowwrestler 12y ago

I would also highly recommend James Gleick's biography of Newton, which spends quite a bit of time on his alchemical work. The short story is that we can look back with the filter of 200+ years of science to appreciate Newton's role in the founding of what we know as science today, so we focus on his work in math and physics. But Newton did not have that perspective; he was discovering then, for himself, what we now take for granted. Some of his work produced lasting results, some did not. A much more recent example of a similar effect is the high levels of interest in ESP and mental powers in the 1950s, 60s, and 70s. Enormous numbers of very serious and educated scientifically minded people believed that it was possible that we would discover latent powers of the mind. We never did, and today that stuff is largely a punchline among the scientifically minded. To get a sense of this, read "golden age" sci-fi from these decades and see how often mental powers are included. Asimov's Foundation series, Larry Niven's Known Space series, Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land, Arthur C. Clarke's Childhood's End, and of course Herbert's Dune series are just a few examples.

api 12y ago
While I am skeptical of psi, I'm not 100% sure the drop off of that interest is progress. You can count me among those who believe that fundamental ground-breaking innovation has declined considerably since the late 70s. One potential cause that I see is a narrowing of acceptable interests and lines of inquiry, especially in academia, and the rise of a kind of hidebound dogmatic skepticism. If we don't already know it, it doesn't exist. If it hasn't already been done, it can't be done. That's gonna cut out a certain amount of possibly-silly stuff like psi, but it's also going to eliminate a lot of potentially very fruitful "out there" lines of inquiry. I am not sure you can have one without the other. How do you a priori determine what's "silly" without actually investigating things? I feel like that's analogous to solving the halting problem -- you are claiming to know whether an avenue of research will be fruitful without actually pursuing it. As far as I can see the same establishment skeptical science that no longer takes psi seriously also no longer takes any hopeful, visionary vision of the future seriously. Space colonization? Life extension? Really solving our socioeconomic problems? Meh. Hell, a huge chunk of this crowd thinks that industrial civilization itself is doomed to collapse because we've already discovered all potential sources of energy and none of them are sustainable. To these guys even suggesting visionary futures that are wholly within known physics and even known technology is too "woo woo" for them if it involves steps that have not already been taken. This isn't scientific. It's rebranded medieval scholasticism with already-known scientific theory taking the place of Vatican dogma. I'll take my psi-researching acid-dropping 50s-70s woo-woo nuts over today's boring hidebound curmudgeons any day.
- TeMPOraL 12y ago
  > I'll take my psi-researching acid-dropping 50s-70s woo-woo nuts over today's boring hidebound curmudgeons any day. Walter Bishop comes to mind... I agree with your sentiment. The atmosphere of skepticism went into overdrive now. It seems as if a lot of otherwise smart people don't expect anything else than incremental improvements for profit of what is already here. And it's as if people lost hope. Hard problems are hard, be it living on another planet, slaughtering Moloch or conquering death - but they all are in the realms of scientific possibility, and I wish more people would be enthusiastic about pursuing them.