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damn, if marketing doesn't prove its worth with these numbers. Yes they make good products but its obvious their margins are so damn high because their marketin

damn, if marketing doesn't prove its worth with these numbers. Yes they make good products but its obvious their margins are so damn high because their marketing has convinced people that it is worth it. (iphone/mac/airport owner.... so yeah) Honestly though, I would love some other choices but they competition in general just sucks. For awhile android phones almost caught my attention but the pc world hasn't since my first 24 inch iMac. Tablet market is just, Apple.

arthurcolle 12y ago
I like my Kindle Fire HDX quite thoroughly so idk about that last statement.
zanny 12y ago
I swear by my Nexus tablets and I was one of the backers for the Jolla tablet. Nothing about an ipad or ipad mini is appealing to me, and the draconian lockdown and lack of control of my own hardware guarantees I will never own an Apple product. And in my daily life I do not see many ipads. Only amongst those so ignorant to think tablets = Apple in the same way they think computers = Windows. There are plenty of Android tablets out there in use, a lot of them are in businesses now due to the significantly lower cost to adopt $100 - $200 tablets over ipad minis, combined with developer fees and the hoops to jump through with xcode licenses and ios developer licenses and all that bullshit.
- modfodder 12y ago
  So it is your opinion that the people who buy iPads do so only out of ignorance and none out of preference for Apple's product? In my daily life I see quite a few iPads, but rarely a Nexus, and then only amongst those that have severe psychological issues. Nothing from Google interests me with their insistence on seeing me as a slave to their income generating advertisements./s
pasta_2 12y ago
I love backhanded compliments about Apple's marketing. If marketing had the impact you seem to think it does, Samsung would be doing a whole lot better than they are.
- soylentcola 12y ago
  The fact that they have such a massive share of the market despite the mediocre quality of their products really is a testament to their marketing. Even just among Android phones, their products are neither the most affordable, the most powerful, the most user-friendly, the best supported, or the best constructed but they have managed to become the go-to brand for people buying an Android handset. Pretty much everyone I've met (yeah, anecdotes) with less of an unhealthy interest in consumer electronics than me defaults to "iPhone or Samsung" when looking at phones. Of the people I interact with most often, about 50% have Apple Phones, 45% have Samsungs, and the remaining 5% have Moto X's or Nexuses or other brands.
somedudethere 12y ago
I recently went to replace my HTC 1 M7. First I got a Moto G, but due to cell signal, and general quirks in lollipop I thought I would try a Samsung S5. Ugg. I don't know how people could stand all the non-standard stuff that samsung puts on there. So I decided to settle in with a Nexus 6. It was pretty good. But it just seemed empty. Maybe because I was used to using custom roms on One it just seemed like features were missing. I didn't want to install a custom rom on it because in the past I always just ended up with bugginess and quite frankly a custom roms are a cop out. I paid for something, the people I paid should give me a good experience not random people on the internet. But the app store, even though it gives users a plethora of customizations like lockscreens, locks, etc, they will never bring android up to the level of a unified experience of the iPhone. So I went and got a 6+. I have to say since it was my first iPhone I was blown away. I was in the camp of "Why do I need to spend $1000 to do what this $200 moto g can do?" I really can't see how android users feel that any android device is as polished as the iphone. I guess its subjective but honestly >90% of people I know in silicon valley have an iphone. If the most tech centered place in the world all use iphones, I think that says something. Its more than just its the trendy cool thing to do. Its honestly a better experience and the professionals can see that. If I, an engineer in silicon valley, can't get android to do what I want when I want it, how can I expect the average user to master it? Maybe its because I have a higher standard for software and user design since I am in the business but everyday I find some subtle way that the iphone manages to impress me, a feeling I never got on android.
- peterashford 12y ago
  Well, clearly you iPhone users are just better than the rest of us, after all.
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- eropple 12y ago
  For a differing opinion: I tried an iPhone 6, moving away from a Nexus 5 and then a Moto X. I enjoyed many parts of it--Touch ID is cool, Apple Pay is cool--but I took it back two days later because the operating system expects you to have a thumb the size of Montana to do something as simple as going back a screen in the mail app and I found dealing with applications and getting the phone the way I wanted it (and I'm no iOS newbie, I had an iPhone 4 and have multiple iPads) was at best interminable, at worst impossible. I bought a Sony Xperia Z3 Compact. It's the first cell phone I've loved since the iPhone 4--unsurprising, as it borrows a lot from its design while being pretty unique and pleasant on its own. (The waterproofing is great, hiding the connectors during regular use is nice, having a real focus-stop camera button is brilliant. Also, it's bright orange. My Nexus 5 was bright red. This is kind of my thing.) As far as your argumentum ad turtleneckum, I wouldn't give ninety percent of the people I know in Silicon Valley the time of day. Their choice of phone doesn't reflect on me or the world at large.
peterashford 12y ago
My partner has a Samsung Note tablet and is very happy with it as her primary device. So... I'll pass on the koolaid thanks =)
threeseed 12y ago
This again. Marketing encourages people to take a look at their products. But if the products are terrible then nobody is going to buy them. Apple has had plenty of failures in the past despite good marketing e.g. Cube, many of the iMac variants. The reason Apple does well is FOCUS. They keep their products lines simple which makes it easy for consumers to rationalise and easy for them to scale and improve.
- IgorPartola 12y ago
  Every product of theirs I own has two attributes that I prize: it works without much thought from me and it is well supported by Apple. Basically, an iPhone just works. There is no tweaking necessary. I have AppleCare. If I drop it and the screen shatters, I can get it replaced for cheap. Not many other phones can claim this.
  - safewayclubcard 12y ago
    This is huge. My parents (ages >60) bought galaxies. They pay $9 per phone and a >$200 deductible if it breaks. The insurance is through a 3rd party. That is insane. if it breaks 12 months in, you put in $108 then $200 for the deductible. Those are conservative estimates because I can't find the pricing right now but I now it is more. My iphone apple care was $100. If it breaks that is $79. I can break it 3 times over the course of 24 months and it is cheaper than breaking the galaxy once at 12 months. Applecare is a steal.
  - imron 12y ago
    Until it doesn't, e.g. upgrading your phone to a newer version of iOS and then not having Wifi range beyond 1-2 meters for a couple of months. I used to be impressed with how Apple products 'just work', but recently they have noticeably started slipping in this area.
    - mercer 12y ago
      I agree, and that could be dangerous for Apple in the long run. But they still seem to be ahead, especially when it comes to laptops. I've used a Nexus 4 with great pleasure for about two years, and being back on an iPhone 5S, while slightly better (in my opinion), is only barely worth the higher cost. I hope that happens to laptops too, because I'd love to have alternatives and some more competition.
modfodder 12y ago
In one sentence you ascribe Apple's success to their marketing. In the next you wish Apple's competition released products on par with Apple's quality. Could it not be that Apple's success has less to do with marketing and more to do with the lack of quality amongst it's competitors?
billforsternz 12y ago
I'd love to own an airport, man the money they make from parking fees alone ....

arthurcolle 12y ago

I like my Kindle Fire HDX quite thoroughly so idk about that last statement.

zanny 12y ago

I swear by my Nexus tablets and I was one of the backers for the Jolla tablet. Nothing about an ipad or ipad mini is appealing to me, and the draconian lockdown and lack of control of my own hardware guarantees I will never own an Apple product. And in my daily life I do not see many ipads. Only amongst those so ignorant to think tablets = Apple in the same way they think computers = Windows. There are plenty of Android tablets out there in use, a lot of them are in businesses now due to the significantly lower cost to adopt $100 - $200 tablets over ipad minis, combined with developer fees and the hoops to jump through with xcode licenses and ios developer licenses and all that bullshit.

modfodder 12y ago
So it is your opinion that the people who buy iPads do so only out of ignorance and none out of preference for Apple's product? In my daily life I see quite a few iPads, but rarely a Nexus, and then only amongst those that have severe psychological issues. Nothing from Google interests me with their insistence on seeing me as a slave to their income generating advertisements./s

pasta_2 12y ago

I love backhanded compliments about Apple's marketing. If marketing had the impact you seem to think it does, Samsung would be doing a whole lot better than they are.

soylentcola 12y ago
The fact that they have such a massive share of the market despite the mediocre quality of their products really is a testament to their marketing. Even just among Android phones, their products are neither the most affordable, the most powerful, the most user-friendly, the best supported, or the best constructed but they have managed to become the go-to brand for people buying an Android handset. Pretty much everyone I've met (yeah, anecdotes) with less of an unhealthy interest in consumer electronics than me defaults to "iPhone or Samsung" when looking at phones. Of the people I interact with most often, about 50% have Apple Phones, 45% have Samsungs, and the remaining 5% have Moto X's or Nexuses or other brands.

somedudethere 12y ago

I recently went to replace my HTC 1 M7. First I got a Moto G, but due to cell signal, and general quirks in lollipop I thought I would try a Samsung S5. Ugg. I don't know how people could stand all the non-standard stuff that samsung puts on there. So I decided to settle in with a Nexus 6. It was pretty good. But it just seemed empty. Maybe because I was used to using custom roms on One it just seemed like features were missing. I didn't want to install a custom rom on it because in the past I always just ended up with bugginess and quite frankly a custom roms are a cop out. I paid for something, the people I paid should give me a good experience not random people on the internet. But the app store, even though it gives users a plethora of customizations like lockscreens, locks, etc, they will never bring android up to the level of a unified experience of the iPhone. So I went and got a 6+. I have to say since it was my first iPhone I was blown away. I was in the camp of "Why do I need to spend $1000 to do what this $200 moto g can do?" I really can't see how android users feel that any android device is as polished as the iphone. I guess its subjective but honestly >90% of people I know in silicon valley have an iphone. If the most tech centered place in the world all use iphones, I think that says something. Its more than just its the trendy cool thing to do. Its honestly a better experience and the professionals can see that. If I, an engineer in silicon valley, can't get android to do what I want when I want it, how can I expect the average user to master it? Maybe its because I have a higher standard for software and user design since I am in the business but everyday I find some subtle way that the iphone manages to impress me, a feeling I never got on android.

peterashford 12y ago
Well, clearly you iPhone users are just better than the rest of us, after all.
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eropple 12y ago
For a differing opinion: I tried an iPhone 6, moving away from a Nexus 5 and then a Moto X. I enjoyed many parts of it--Touch ID is cool, Apple Pay is cool--but I took it back two days later because the operating system expects you to have a thumb the size of Montana to do something as simple as going back a screen in the mail app and I found dealing with applications and getting the phone the way I wanted it (and I'm no iOS newbie, I had an iPhone 4 and have multiple iPads) was at best interminable, at worst impossible. I bought a Sony Xperia Z3 Compact. It's the first cell phone I've loved since the iPhone 4--unsurprising, as it borrows a lot from its design while being pretty unique and pleasant on its own. (The waterproofing is great, hiding the connectors during regular use is nice, having a real focus-stop camera button is brilliant. Also, it's bright orange. My Nexus 5 was bright red. This is kind of my thing.) As far as your argumentum ad turtleneckum, I wouldn't give ninety percent of the people I know in Silicon Valley the time of day. Their choice of phone doesn't reflect on me or the world at large.

peterashford 12y ago

My partner has a Samsung Note tablet and is very happy with it as her primary device. So... I'll pass on the koolaid thanks =)

threeseed 12y ago

This again. Marketing encourages people to take a look at their products. But if the products are terrible then nobody is going to buy them. Apple has had plenty of failures in the past despite good marketing e.g. Cube, many of the iMac variants. The reason Apple does well is FOCUS. They keep their products lines simple which makes it easy for consumers to rationalise and easy for them to scale and improve.

IgorPartola 12y ago
Every product of theirs I own has two attributes that I prize: it works without much thought from me and it is well supported by Apple. Basically, an iPhone just works. There is no tweaking necessary. I have AppleCare. If I drop it and the screen shatters, I can get it replaced for cheap. Not many other phones can claim this.
- safewayclubcard 12y ago
  This is huge. My parents (ages >60) bought galaxies. They pay $9 per phone and a >$200 deductible if it breaks. The insurance is through a 3rd party. That is insane. if it breaks 12 months in, you put in $108 then $200 for the deductible. Those are conservative estimates because I can't find the pricing right now but I now it is more. My iphone apple care was $100. If it breaks that is $79. I can break it 3 times over the course of 24 months and it is cheaper than breaking the galaxy once at 12 months. Applecare is a steal.
- imron 12y ago
  Until it doesn't, e.g. upgrading your phone to a newer version of iOS and then not having Wifi range beyond 1-2 meters for a couple of months. I used to be impressed with how Apple products 'just work', but recently they have noticeably started slipping in this area.
  - mercer 12y ago
    I agree, and that could be dangerous for Apple in the long run. But they still seem to be ahead, especially when it comes to laptops. I've used a Nexus 4 with great pleasure for about two years, and being back on an iPhone 5S, while slightly better (in my opinion), is only barely worth the higher cost. I hope that happens to laptops too, because I'd love to have alternatives and some more competition.

modfodder 12y ago

In one sentence you ascribe Apple's success to their marketing. In the next you wish Apple's competition released products on par with Apple's quality. Could it not be that Apple's success has less to do with marketing and more to do with the lack of quality amongst it's competitors?

billforsternz 12y ago

I'd love to own an airport, man the money they make from parking fees alone ....