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Maybe you should just not put other companies' copyrighted game names in your keywords. It sounds like Apple is purposefully slowing you down because they consi

by lacker 17y ago

Maybe you should just not put other companies' copyrighted game names in your keywords. It sounds like Apple is purposefully slowing you down because they consider you to be malicious.

zyb09 17y ago
What an evil devil you are putting the name of one mini-game of a mini-game collection, that shipped as a bonus to an accessory, in YOUR keywords - thereby harvesting all the hard labor done by Nintendo. Outrage! You absolutely deserve to be punished by Apple (which is obviously just doing the job your parents should have done a long time ago!)
- enntwo 17y ago
  I assume lacker's point is in reference to the use of the word "Wii" itself, which is clearly a Nintendo trademark. It is not unreasonable that Apple does not want to have an app using a recognizable trademark of another company. And if you read the article, you notice that the reason they were rejected for using Wii, is because Apple felt that it was unrelated to the app, and was used as a keyword to drive search results. (Which was not the case, but from just looking at the keywords is a reasonable response). The issue the article brings up with Apple is the overall process of such a small issue resulting in an overall 40+ day delay of release due to a poor reviewal process. The article was must less critial of the actual banning of the term "Wii".
  - zyb09 17y ago
    yeah but what's the big deal.. why don't they just relax and let people use "wii" as tag. If nintendo gets angry (which might never happen to begin with) just do a quick DELETE FROM Keyword WHERE tag='wii'. Problem solved. If they would please stop being so picky about everything. There wouldn't be so much complains about the approval process, if people were thinking its fair what Apple is doing.
credo 17y ago
It looks like Apple did the right thing here. They stopped the app from using a term copyrighted by Nintendo. They also communicated the rejection reason to the developer clearly. Ultimately, this is probably going to be a win-win for both sides. Apple does the right thing. The app description and keywords don't mislead users (and as a result of the blog post complaining about Apple, the app also gets a lot of free publicity)
- deleted 17y ago
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- cakesy 17y ago
  I sort of agree with you, but just because a name is trademarked (you can't copyright a name), doesn't mean you can NEVER EVER use it. For example, Wii. There you go.
  - ptomato 17y ago
    It does mean that there are limitations on using it in the advertising of a competing product, however.
tici_88 17y ago
Contrary to popular opinion, using copyrighted terms is not against the law. For example, you shouldn't feel threatened that the black helicopters are going to swarm overhead if you are using copyrighted words like Apple, iPhone, Wii etc. in ordinary conversations. Using copyrighted terms is questionable for products if those terms (a) are in the same category as the copyrighted term (in the case of Wii, I am assuming a gaming device) and (b) are likely to cause consumer confusion. In this case, the legal question that a jury would be asked is "Would a reasonable user confuse the 'wii tank' iphone app with the Wii gaming console"? Not sure what the answer in reality would be actually - just giving anothe perspective. And I haven't even seen their app. And yes, Wii is a popular term and popular trademarks like Coca Cola are granted more weight under the law, so who knows. But shouldn't legal matters be left to the courts of the land and not become the jurisdiction of the app store approval process?
- jimboyoungblood 17y ago
  Apple makes it pretty clear to developers that trademarked terms are not to be used in keywords. It's not illegal to smoke indoors. But if you smoke inside my house, I will ask you to leave. Do you have a problem with that?
  - alex_c 17y ago
    If you're all smiles one moment, and throw a temper tantrum about it the next... then completely forget about it five minutes later... or if you call me 2 weeks later to complain that I smoked at your house... or if you kick me out while someone else is using your couch as an ashtray... then I would probably stop visiting, anyway.
    - jimboyoungblood 17y ago
      Don't worry, I have a large "No Smoking" sign taped on the front door.
      - joezydeco 17y ago
alex_c 17y ago
I strongly disagree, and it's disappointing to see basically a knee-jerk comment at the top. Maybe you should just not put other companies' copyrighted game names in your keywords. These are just some specific parameters to the same scenario that has played out countless times for other developers. The more general criticisms ARE common even when you don't "put other companies' copyrighted game names in your keywords". You are in no way addressing the actual criticisms. It sounds like Apple is purposefully slowing you down because they consider you to be malicious. First of all, no, not really, it sounds like par for the course for Apple. Many developers sail through with no problems, but way too many developers end up with an experience like this. Second of all, I find it hard to think of a worse way to handle the situation than "purposefully slowing you down because they consider you to be malicious." Honestly, there's so much wrong with this I don't even know where to start. Nevermind the $100 yearly fee for having the privilege to be rejected - very slowly, inconsistently, and SERIALLY, one reason at a time - by the App Store, right? I'm baffled that you're making this be the developer's fault. It's sheer incompetence at its best (the alternative being malice on Apple's part, which I think is far worse, but also much more unlikely).
charlesju 17y ago
The proper course of action ought to be Apple just automatically deleting the offensive keywords and letting the application be approved.
- Hexstream 17y ago
  But that would be too simple. You can't just go around and fuel higher expectations like that! It's DANGEROUS!
CamperBob 17y ago
Exactly. Tell me how this practice is any different from, say, keyword spamming on eBay?

by lacker 17y ago

Maybe you should just not put other companies' copyrighted game names in your keywords. It sounds like Apple is purposefully slowing you down because they consider you to be malicious.

zyb09 17y ago

What an evil devil you are putting the name of one mini-game of a mini-game collection, that shipped as a bonus to an accessory, in YOUR keywords - thereby harvesting all the hard labor done by Nintendo. Outrage! You absolutely deserve to be punished by Apple (which is obviously just doing the job your parents should have done a long time ago!)

enntwo 17y ago
I assume lacker's point is in reference to the use of the word "Wii" itself, which is clearly a Nintendo trademark. It is not unreasonable that Apple does not want to have an app using a recognizable trademark of another company. And if you read the article, you notice that the reason they were rejected for using Wii, is because Apple felt that it was unrelated to the app, and was used as a keyword to drive search results. (Which was not the case, but from just looking at the keywords is a reasonable response). The issue the article brings up with Apple is the overall process of such a small issue resulting in an overall 40+ day delay of release due to a poor reviewal process. The article was must less critial of the actual banning of the term "Wii".
- zyb09 17y ago
  yeah but what's the big deal.. why don't they just relax and let people use "wii" as tag. If nintendo gets angry (which might never happen to begin with) just do a quick DELETE FROM Keyword WHERE tag='wii'. Problem solved. If they would please stop being so picky about everything. There wouldn't be so much complains about the approval process, if people were thinking its fair what Apple is doing.

credo 17y ago

It looks like Apple did the right thing here. They stopped the app from using a term copyrighted by Nintendo. They also communicated the rejection reason to the developer clearly. Ultimately, this is probably going to be a win-win for both sides. Apple does the right thing. The app description and keywords don't mislead users (and as a result of the blog post complaining about Apple, the app also gets a lot of free publicity)

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cakesy 17y ago
I sort of agree with you, but just because a name is trademarked (you can't copyright a name), doesn't mean you can NEVER EVER use it. For example, Wii. There you go.
- ptomato 17y ago
  It does mean that there are limitations on using it in the advertising of a competing product, however.

tici_88 17y ago

Contrary to popular opinion, using copyrighted terms is not against the law. For example, you shouldn't feel threatened that the black helicopters are going to swarm overhead if you are using copyrighted words like Apple, iPhone, Wii etc. in ordinary conversations. Using copyrighted terms is questionable for products if those terms (a) are in the same category as the copyrighted term (in the case of Wii, I am assuming a gaming device) and (b) are likely to cause consumer confusion. In this case, the legal question that a jury would be asked is "Would a reasonable user confuse the 'wii tank' iphone app with the Wii gaming console"? Not sure what the answer in reality would be actually - just giving anothe perspective. And I haven't even seen their app. And yes, Wii is a popular term and popular trademarks like Coca Cola are granted more weight under the law, so who knows. But shouldn't legal matters be left to the courts of the land and not become the jurisdiction of the app store approval process?

jimboyoungblood 17y ago
Apple makes it pretty clear to developers that trademarked terms are not to be used in keywords. It's not illegal to smoke indoors. But if you smoke inside my house, I will ask you to leave. Do you have a problem with that?
- alex_c 17y ago
  If you're all smiles one moment, and throw a temper tantrum about it the next... then completely forget about it five minutes later... or if you call me 2 weeks later to complain that I smoked at your house... or if you kick me out while someone else is using your couch as an ashtray... then I would probably stop visiting, anyway.
  - jimboyoungblood 17y ago
    Don't worry, I have a large "No Smoking" sign taped on the front door.
    - joezydeco 17y ago

alex_c 17y ago

I strongly disagree, and it's disappointing to see basically a knee-jerk comment at the top. Maybe you should just not put other companies' copyrighted game names in your keywords. These are just some specific parameters to the same scenario that has played out countless times for other developers. The more general criticisms ARE common even when you don't "put other companies' copyrighted game names in your keywords". You are in no way addressing the actual criticisms. It sounds like Apple is purposefully slowing you down because they consider you to be malicious. First of all, no, not really, it sounds like par for the course for Apple. Many developers sail through with no problems, but way too many developers end up with an experience like this. Second of all, I find it hard to think of a worse way to handle the situation than "purposefully slowing you down because they consider you to be malicious." Honestly, there's so much wrong with this I don't even know where to start. Nevermind the $100 yearly fee for having the privilege to be rejected - very slowly, inconsistently, and SERIALLY, one reason at a time - by the App Store, right? I'm baffled that you're making this be the developer's fault. It's sheer incompetence at its best (the alternative being malice on Apple's part, which I think is far worse, but also much more unlikely).

charlesju 17y ago

The proper course of action ought to be Apple just automatically deleting the offensive keywords and letting the application be approved.

Hexstream 17y ago
But that would be too simple. You can't just go around and fuel higher expectations like that! It's DANGEROUS!

CamperBob 17y ago

Exactly. Tell me how this practice is any different from, say, keyword spamming on eBay?