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ODROID-C1 – Quad Core ARM Linux computer
- gravitronic 12y agowhat display outputs does it have? I didn't see any in the summary, which makes this a different market than the raspberry pi
- praeivis 12y ago1.5 GHz Quad core and 1Gb RAM not enough difference?
- jszymborski 12y agoand a 3D hardware acceleration... this thing is so cool. For $35 you can get a really decent computer. Makes it really viable for people to run a small unix dev machine or buy a bunch of these to run a miniature server farm.
- rcarmo 12y agoI'm thinking of upgrading my Pi cluster (http://github.com/rcarmo/raspi-cluster http://github.com/rcarmo/raspi-cluster) to a set of these boards. Mostly waiting for some benchmarks to come in and the holiday season to go away...
- ris 12y agoWhy? The point of your "cluster" is clearly not performance.
- walshemj 12y agoIts a cheap way of running a home lab to experiment with clusters
- lovelearning 12y agoCheck out page 15 of their Odroid magazine December issue [1]. It has a few Odroid-C1 vs Raspberry Pi B+ benchmarks. [1]: http://magazine.odroid.com/assets/201412/pdf/ODROID-Magazine-201412.pdf http://magazine.odroid.com/assets/201412/pdf/ODROID-Magazine...
- mivok 12y agoMicro HDMI. You have to go to the technical details tab to see it mentioned.
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- agumonkey 12y agoCurious about the power consumption.
- PythonicAlpha 12y agoIn some other news, I read something about ~2x that of a Raspberry, I think it was about 0,5A. That seems to me a fair deal for much more speed. Also you get a 1GBit Ethernet port, I think Raspberry has only 100MBit/s.
- higherpurpose 12y agoWith that chip you should get around 2.5x faster single-thread performance (mostly due to the higher clock speed), and 3 more cores inside as well.
- PythonicAlpha 12y agoYes, the higher performance is rather appealing. Of course one of the reasons for the success of the raspberries is the low energy consumption, but sometimes it is just to slow. A little reserve really would be good for media centers or also if you want to have a small server solution. Of course best would be some device with low power consumption when less work is to do and which can go to full power if needed. Multiple cores would be good for that, if the device could deactivate unneeded cores or even reduce the clock speed. I am looking forward for more power saving devices, since servers which run all the day should consume less than today.
- agumonkey 12y agoThere might be opportunity for lower energy, speculating if the SoC has better dynamic power abilities, and even without it, can finish it's work earlier and go back to deep sleep longer.
- throwawayaway 12y agocurious to know how the port is implemented - if it's wedged in to the USB bus like on the pi that has performance implications.
- PythonicAlpha 12y agoI heard something, that the software (hardware drivers and other things) support for these not so much sold devices is sparse. Does anybody know more? I guess, they ported some Linux on it, but how about media server software (like XBMC/Kodi) and other stuff??
- fredsted 12y agoA lot of people in the HTPC community are buying these things for just that purpose. This board should be excellent as a HTPC.
- carlhu 12y agoI have the Odroid XU3 (which I think runs the same version of their Ubuntu). XBMC/Kodi runs on it, but I get a crash intermittently when fast forwarding a movie. VLC works perfectly. Chromium and Firefox runs superbly. I was unable to get Flash working so Amazon Instant Video and HBOGo don't work. Wireless with the $8 usb dongle they sell works perfectly.
- rcarmo 12y agoYou should check the ODROID forum for newer graphics drivers. The bleeding edge versions are released every now and then as separate binaries/images.
- papaf 12y agoHave you tried the pepper flash player? http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2374 http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2374
- LaurensBER 12y agoAmlogic is known around the XBMC/Kodi forums for their excellent OSS VPU drivers and boxes using this chipset are usually among the most recommended. This new chipset (S805) should also be able to support H.265 videos, the first patches for it have already appeared on the mailing list. I can't comment on VDPAU support but for Kodi this board should be pretty awesome :)
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- nglinh2312 12y agoHow does it perform for Computer Vision/ Image Processing tasks? Couldn't find anything mentioning openCL or anything of the sort
- jws 12y agoNo OpenCL for Mali 450.
- throwawayaway 12y agoform factor is clever, should be a drop in replacement for most people's pi cases too! http://linuxgizmos.com/35-dollar-quad-core-hacker-sbc-offers-rpi-like-expansion/ http://linuxgizmos.com/35-dollar-quad-core-hacker-sbc-offers...
- rcarmo 12y agoThe power socket is on the side, and the HDMI connector is now a micro. There will be some adjustment required...
- morganvachon 12y agoI have a RPi B+ case from ModMyPi that is fantastic, I bet they'd be willing to modify it for the ODROID-C1 if enough people asked.
- aseidl 12y agoIf anyone else is interested, it sounds like HDMI-CEC should be working within the next week or so. http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=7479#p58825 http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=7479#p58825
- mikecarlton 12y agoAnybody make something similar with dual ethernet? I'd like to replace my aging Alix-based home router/vpn (http://www.pcengines.ch/alix2d3.htm http://www.pcengines.ch/alix2d3.htm) with something like this.
- papaf 12y agoThe mirabox has dual ethernet and arch linux support is good. The box is a little expensive and I have never got wifi to work but as a router/firewall it does the job: https://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/c-14-gtimirabox.aspx https://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/c-14-gtimirabox.aspx
- q3k 12y agoTry the PCEngines APU board! http://www.pcengines.ch/apu.htm http://www.pcengines.ch/apu.htm The only downside is it uses Realtek NICs instead of Intel ones. Otherwise it's pretty much perfect.
- noselasd 12y agoYou can stick an USB NIC or two in it, if 100M ethernet is enough.
- vld 12y agoI'm using http://tostarcn.en.alibaba.com/product/1955500912-222121763/NM70SL_O.html http://tostarcn.en.alibaba.com/product/1955500912-222121763/... and it was worth the $170 I paid, really.
- Ecio78 12y agowould be interesting to know if this odroid is better or worse than a device like Cubox[1] and CuboxTV[2]. They are more expensive but they include case, power supply etc.. [1] http://www.solid-run.com/products/cubox-i-mini-computer/ http://www.solid-run.com/products/cubox-i-mini-computer/ [2] http://www.solid-run.com/cuboxtv/ http://www.solid-run.com/cuboxtv/
- ekr 12y agoWith lots of 64bit ARM chips coming to the market in the near future, I would wait just a little bit more.
- happycube 12y agoIt's cheap enough that one could still get their money's worth out of this while waiting, though :)
- Rarebox 12y agoThis board only has 1GB RAM and no support for fast secondary storage (only USB2) so having 64bit address space would provide little benefit.
- 0x0 12y agoI'm sure there are other advantages to AArch64, like a larger set of registers, that could still make it worthwhile. At the very least it might push down the prices on the old armv7 CPUs.
- skrause 12y agoThe native AES encryption instruction set on AArch64 might also be really useful if you do any kind of encryption.
- imrehg 12y agoThe SoC seems to be Cortex-A5, while many of the other boards around are Cortex-A9. Looking at the comparison between those two types, that might have been one of the trade-off made, as the A5 is targeting the lower end devices, and has less performance than a same clock rate/core count A9. It's not necessarily bad, but good to know for better comparison.
- hardwaresofton 12y agoJust wanted to post that my interaction with (and purchases from) ODROID have been fantastic. They also have this really cool magazine they release from time to time: http://magazine.odroid.com/assets/201412/pdf/ODROID-Magazine-201412.pdf http://magazine.odroid.com/assets/201412/pdf/ODROID-Magazine... (that's Dec. 2014's issue) It's a great platform to learn on, no fuss ordering (a little waiting), and the platform is both cheap (they're one of the rare companies that has reduced the price of a product going from one release to another). Also, the C1 beats the pants of Pi B+. :) No complaints here.
- biggerfisch 12y agoTheir technical details page seems to push eMMC pretty hard but their prices, 64GB for $80 [1], seem really high compared to a microSD card. Can anyone with experience comment on whether the eMMC has anywhere near the value for its price? [1] http://hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G141628557245 http://hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G14...
- simlevesque 12y agoI bought a Odroid-U3 and pretty often the bottleneck was on the microSD card so I grew tired of it and I bought a eMMC 64gb and it gets the job done. It is way faster than the best microSD if that is what you were wondering.
- tankenmate 12y agoSome eMMC modules claim 150MB/s read/write; i.e. same speed as hard drives from about 5-7 years ago. Or put another way approximately twice as fast as an average USB3 flash drive.
- beagle3 12y agoYou had a 150MB/s hard drive 5 years ago? What kind of a drive was that? I'm only getting 100-150MB/sec on rotating media today. Only 7.2K, but even 5 years ago, 10K didn't deliver that transfer speed from what I remember.
- 0x0 12y agoI wonder what kind of "license issues" are present in the current software? "U-boot/Kernel/Linux source code will be released 15-Dec-2014. Android source code will be published in February after cleaning some license issues." Looks like the biggest problem with most of these ARM boards (raspberry pi included) is the dependency on some closed-source binary blobs, at least for boot, and sometimes even the entire kernel is a closed branch off some old release.
- joezydeco 12y agoI've never dealt with an ARM core that needed some magic object-only blob to boot. They're almost all using Denx U-Boot. If the GPU needs an object loaded to boot, like the RPi, that's another story. But a decent SoC should be able to start without the GPU getting in the way.
- pygy_ 12y agoIIRC, for the Raspberry Pi, the GPU controls the CPU (or, at least, it boots first), which makes the blob necessary.
- joezydeco 12y agoReally? Thanks for the warning. I avoid Broadcom parts anyway but that's just messed up.
- kragen 12y agoWhile your avoidance is understandable, given Broadcom's thoroughly disreputable history with regard to free software, it's not justified in this case. The Pi GPU is apparently fully enough documented that you can write your own software for it.
- joezydeco 12y agoI could care less about the state of the GPU driver source and the typical complaints of RPi developers. Open, closed, whatever. I'm more skeptical of a SoC architecture that has the CPU dependent on the GPU for its startup sequence. Or is this a matter of the GPU controlling the ARM's clock tree?
- ilaksh 12y agoIs it possible to buy a tablet display without the actual tablet computer? I want something inexpensive and lightweight and efficient to pair with this for display and a regular lcd monitor isn't that.
- shock 12y agoThis might be what you're looking for: http://hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G140383714860 http://hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G14...
- ilaksh 12y agoOk yes that's it except I just bought a quad core tablet and it only cost like $150 so the screen by itself should not be $120. I mean you can buy tablets for $50.. Heres one for around $50 http://www.buydisplay.com/default/7-hdmi-lcd-module-display-touchscreen-vga-video-driver-board http://www.buydisplay.com/default/7-hdmi-lcd-module-display-...
- kragen 12y agoThis looks pretty cool. How well documented is its GPU? The Raspberry Pi folks managed to pry documentation out of Broadcom http://www.broadcom.com/docs/support/videocore/VideoCoreIV-AG100-R.pdf http://www.broadcom.com/docs/support/videocore/VideoCoreIV-A..., with an FFT example included in the standard distro https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/blob/master/host_applications/linux/apps/hello_pi/hello_fft/gpu_fft.txt https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/blob/master/host_app..., resulting in porting the Deep Belief image-recognition SDK to that GPU http://www.raspberrypi.org/more-qpu-magic-from-pete-warden/ http://www.raspberrypi.org/more-qpu-magic-from-pete-warden/ and SHA-256 http://rpiplayground.wordpress.com/2014/05/03/hacking-the-gpu-for-fun-and-profit-pt-1/ http://rpiplayground.wordpress.com/2014/05/03/hacking-the-gp... I'd love to be able to do that kind of thing on the ODROID-C1, especially since its GPU sounds like it's a lot faster! I see that they're designed by ARM rather than Broadcom, and there's a reverse-engineering effort that has produced something of a GL implementation on them http://limadriver.org/ http://limadriver.org/ that has Quake 3 Arena running on it already, and faster than the binary driver, but not yet playable https://libv.livejournal.com/23886.html; https://libv.livejournal.com/23886.html; but that effort seems to have stalled last year. But it sounds like it was, at the time, limited to working from reverse engineering rather than official documentation https://archive.fosdem.org/2013/schedule/event/operating_systems_open_arm_gpu/ https://archive.fosdem.org/2013/schedule/event/operating_sys..., and while ARM has a lot of development documentation on their Mali site http://malideveloper.arm.com/develop-for-mali/sample-code/ http://malideveloper.arm.com/develop-for-mali/sample-code/, none of it seems to be for the GPU itself, but rather for the OpenGL ES implementation they've written for it. So what's the deal? Is the GPU really actually totally undocumented officially, with the only available information being a dead open-source project that produced a half-complete free-software OpenGL implementation for it by reverse engineering? Or is there more stuff out there I'm missing? (In any case, it's pretty incredible that in 2014 you can already buy an 8-processor single-board computer that you can program for US$35.)
- AReallyGoodName 12y agoI have the Odroid-U3 which is similar enough. It's amazing running Android. The drivers are all there and it can do 1080p playback no worries. Netflix for Android runs perfectly. So does every emulator going from the N64 generation back. Easily the best box short of a media PC to connect to your TV at the moment. It's not as good with standard Linux. The graphics drivers aren't there at all. 1080p playback doesn't really work. Example link you can read up on yourself- http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=3214 http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=3214
- patrickg_zill 12y agoCan these be netbooted, thus, not needing an SD or eMMC card at all?
- nglinh2312 12y agohas anyone tried running openCV on this thing?