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Stupid propaganda...

by eldargab 12y ago

pavlov 12y ago
What exactly do you consider propaganda? You don't believe that Google is shutting down their Russian office?
- eldargab 12y ago
  Reasoning. Internet became regulated in Russia, and what? How does this relate to hacking on V8 engine, for example? (They have such teem in Saint Petersburg) This article appeared just to support sentiment and noise around how bad/evil Russia is doing. No matter of truth or plausibility, all kind of noise just works.
  - anovikov 12y ago
    But it is indeed is bad and going worse. Free people of the world, including Russians, must do everything for this to stop, and Russian/commuinist/orthodox 'world' to be destroyed as quickly and cleanly as possible. History shows this is possible: collapse of USSR already did most of this job, what remains is easier and there is a good chance Russian threat will be over forever in a generation if we (i mean Russians, with the help of the west) try really hard. Don't let propaganda fool yourself: Russian threat is first, and foremost, a threat to Russians themselves.
    - tobltobs 12y ago
      The russion threat is a threat to the world, because starting a war is a popular option with those failing dictators.
      - anovikov 12y ago
        Not much, there isn't much Putin could do in the military sense without completely crippling the economy. All he can in foreign affairs is bullying small neighbors. Soviet Union was up to 7-8% of the world GDP and had Soviet Bloc - allies that (not counting China - it was never a Soviet ally really) combined had almost as much. Currently Russia has no allies - not even Belarus - nobody recognized Crimea annexation for example. A few weak post-soviet states could make pro-Russian statements once a while in exchange for another shipment of cheap natural gas, but that's about it. And it is currently less than 3% of the world's GDP. It should be too obvious even for Putin that an attempt of a new Cold War will be laughable. So he won't start another war or seriously threaten West. Victims of his policies will be, in their overwhelming majority, Russian people.
  - seanmcdirmid 12y ago
    As long as you have any kind of presence in Russia you have to follow its rules. If google has no presence to worry about, they don't have to worry about Russian laws either. They really didn't have a choice.
  - danmaz74 12y ago
    It's not "Russia" that is evil. It's Putin's regime that is increasingly evil.
    - trhway 12y ago
      >It's not "Russia" that is evil. It's Putin's regime that is increasingly evil. with 82% (after significant drop recently!) approval rating :)
      - danmaz74 12y ago
        Yes but what does that 82% actually know? When there is no freedom of the press, when the government controls practically all news outlets, it's difficult to judge what people think. This even without considering that those Russians who think Putin is evil will think twice before telling so to a random pollster.
        trhway 12y ago
        >Yes but what does that 82% actually know? When there is no freedom of the press, when the government controls practically all news outlets, it's difficult to judge what people think. they know what they want to know. Your argument was valid in Iron Curtain times. As of today most of the Russians have been to foreign countries and have the Internet access (my family back there (not a in central city) has fiber with connection qualities orders of magnitude better than my DSL in Silicon Valley) There is no "Grate Wall" like in China. There is though Great Wall in their minds. Because it is convenient, and otherwise they would need to accept the true reality of their existence and who they really are. >This even without considering that those Russians who think Putin is evil will think twice before telling so to a random pollster. such a lame excuse. It isn't about pollsters. It is about Russian people overwhelmingly supporting the policies of Putin, just look at that hysteria of "Crimea is ours".
        danmaz74 12y ago
        I think you underestimate the sheer power of propaganda, when it's well organized and all-penetrating. Moreover, how many Russians can read anything but Russian?
  - awson 12y ago
    This.

Stupid propaganda...

pavlov 12y ago

What exactly do you consider propaganda? You don't believe that Google is shutting down their Russian office?

eldargab 12y ago
Reasoning. Internet became regulated in Russia, and what? How does this relate to hacking on V8 engine, for example? (They have such teem in Saint Petersburg) This article appeared just to support sentiment and noise around how bad/evil Russia is doing. No matter of truth or plausibility, all kind of noise just works.
- anovikov 12y ago
  But it is indeed is bad and going worse. Free people of the world, including Russians, must do everything for this to stop, and Russian/commuinist/orthodox 'world' to be destroyed as quickly and cleanly as possible. History shows this is possible: collapse of USSR already did most of this job, what remains is easier and there is a good chance Russian threat will be over forever in a generation if we (i mean Russians, with the help of the west) try really hard. Don't let propaganda fool yourself: Russian threat is first, and foremost, a threat to Russians themselves.
  - tobltobs 12y ago
    The russion threat is a threat to the world, because starting a war is a popular option with those failing dictators.
    - anovikov 12y ago
      Not much, there isn't much Putin could do in the military sense without completely crippling the economy. All he can in foreign affairs is bullying small neighbors. Soviet Union was up to 7-8% of the world GDP and had Soviet Bloc - allies that (not counting China - it was never a Soviet ally really) combined had almost as much. Currently Russia has no allies - not even Belarus - nobody recognized Crimea annexation for example. A few weak post-soviet states could make pro-Russian statements once a while in exchange for another shipment of cheap natural gas, but that's about it. And it is currently less than 3% of the world's GDP. It should be too obvious even for Putin that an attempt of a new Cold War will be laughable. So he won't start another war or seriously threaten West. Victims of his policies will be, in their overwhelming majority, Russian people.
- seanmcdirmid 12y ago
  As long as you have any kind of presence in Russia you have to follow its rules. If google has no presence to worry about, they don't have to worry about Russian laws either. They really didn't have a choice.
- danmaz74 12y ago
  It's not "Russia" that is evil. It's Putin's regime that is increasingly evil.
  - trhway 12y ago
    >It's not "Russia" that is evil. It's Putin's regime that is increasingly evil. with 82% (after significant drop recently!) approval rating :)
    - danmaz74 12y ago
      Yes but what does that 82% actually know? When there is no freedom of the press, when the government controls practically all news outlets, it's difficult to judge what people think. This even without considering that those Russians who think Putin is evil will think twice before telling so to a random pollster.
      - trhway 12y ago
        >Yes but what does that 82% actually know? When there is no freedom of the press, when the government controls practically all news outlets, it's difficult to judge what people think. they know what they want to know. Your argument was valid in Iron Curtain times. As of today most of the Russians have been to foreign countries and have the Internet access (my family back there (not a in central city) has fiber with connection qualities orders of magnitude better than my DSL in Silicon Valley) There is no "Grate Wall" like in China. There is though Great Wall in their minds. Because it is convenient, and otherwise they would need to accept the true reality of their existence and who they really are. >This even without considering that those Russians who think Putin is evil will think twice before telling so to a random pollster. such a lame excuse. It isn't about pollsters. It is about Russian people overwhelmingly supporting the policies of Putin, just look at that hysteria of "Crimea is ours".
        danmaz74 12y ago
        I think you underestimate the sheer power of propaganda, when it's well organized and all-penetrating. Moreover, how many Russians can read anything but Russian?
- awson 12y ago
  This.