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Brazilian government probably has its own NSA, as it is a perfectly socialist government.

by fiatjaf 12y ago

exo762 12y ago
NSA is part of military, not a part of police force. Socialism or capitalism - this is irrelevant. As long as country has aggressive foreign "interests", organization such as NSA is a nice tool to have.
- adventured 12y ago
  It's relevant because a Capitalist nation properly has a very small, very limited government. Under Capitalism, taxes - to the extent they exist at all - are supposed to be extremely limited. See: US in 1910. You can't fund the military industrial complex with anything other than a modern welfare state, backed by something like the Fed. It would be impossible under Capitalism. That switch-over happened with WW2 in the US, with the massive enlargement under FDR of the federal government.
  - gtirloni 12y ago
    So the US is what? Communist? Capitalism, socialism, communist... none of that matters when national interests (of the elite) are at play.
    - adventured 12y ago
      The US is a very large, highly regulated, highly taxed welfare state, in which the total government system spends roughly 40% of the economy (that's about as far from the structure of spending that a Capitalist government would have as you can get). It hasn't been a Capitalist nation in a very long time. 30 or 40 years ago, it might have been a mixed economy. Regulations and the breadth of taxes have grown substantially since the early 1970s.
      - exo762 12y ago
        “That's libertarians for you — anarchists who want police protection from their slaves.” :)
soapdog 12y ago
I hope that is irony because I can't believe someone is so ignorant of Brazil to be able to say such things and believe they are true. This country went from a colony, to an empire, to a monarchy, to a republic, to military dictatorship, rinse, repeat and is now currently a democratic republic. We just had presidential elections last month. If you're going to talk about some country please do your research.
marcosdumay 12y ago
Yes, it has. No it does not do the same kind of population monitoring. Brazilian budget is much more transparent than the US, and the Brazilian ABIN does not have enough physical space, energy, and staffing to pull out a NSA-like "let's gather dirty about everybody" initiative.

Brazilian government probably has its own NSA, as it is a perfectly socialist government.

by fiatjaf 12y ago

Brazilian government probably has its own NSA, as it is a perfectly socialist government.

NSA is part of military, not a part of police force. Socialism or capitalism - this is irrelevant. As long as country has aggressive foreign "interests", organization such as NSA is a nice tool to have.

adventured 12y ago
It's relevant because a Capitalist nation properly has a very small, very limited government. Under Capitalism, taxes - to the extent they exist at all - are supposed to be extremely limited. See: US in 1910. You can't fund the military industrial complex with anything other than a modern welfare state, backed by something like the Fed. It would be impossible under Capitalism. That switch-over happened with WW2 in the US, with the massive enlargement under FDR of the federal government.
- gtirloni 12y ago
  So the US is what? Communist? Capitalism, socialism, communist... none of that matters when national interests (of the elite) are at play.
  - adventured 12y ago
    The US is a very large, highly regulated, highly taxed welfare state, in which the total government system spends roughly 40% of the economy (that's about as far from the structure of spending that a Capitalist government would have as you can get). It hasn't been a Capitalist nation in a very long time. 30 or 40 years ago, it might have been a mixed economy. Regulations and the breadth of taxes have grown substantially since the early 1970s.
    - exo762 12y ago
      “That's libertarians for you — anarchists who want police protection from their slaves.” :)

soapdog 12y ago

I hope that is irony because I can't believe someone is so ignorant of Brazil to be able to say such things and believe they are true. This country went from a colony, to an empire, to a monarchy, to a republic, to military dictatorship, rinse, repeat and is now currently a democratic republic. We just had presidential elections last month. If you're going to talk about some country please do your research.

marcosdumay 12y ago

Yes, it has. No it does not do the same kind of population monitoring. Brazilian budget is much more transparent than the US, and the Brazilian ABIN does not have enough physical space, energy, and staffing to pull out a NSA-like "let's gather dirty about everybody" initiative.