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I will archive this thread to save this: > 1TB of non-volatile storage [...] Most average consumers won't use all of that

by j_s 12y ago

pbhjpbhj 12y ago
I'm with you I got my first 1TB HDD last year thinking it would last a few years. Nearly full now. Why? Because with all that space available I've changed how I use disk space - why throw stuff away. Also that I've moved to a higher grade camera and moved to consuming video stored on HDD rather than from discs. When we're creating fully immersive 4D environments in place of holiday snaps then I imagine we're going to be using quite a lot of memory waving through our holiday review with friends.
- StavrosK 12y ago
  > Because with all that space available I've changed how I use disk space - why throw stuff away. Funny, I'm the opposite. With all this bandwidth available, why keep stuff?
  - jacquesm 12y ago
    Because storage availability is under your control but bandwidth+remote storage availability is not. In other words, you could lose your remote stuff + access to it.
    - StavrosK 12y ago
      I could lose my local stuff too, by having a disk fail. I trust S3's reliability more than my local disk, so it doesn't make sense to keep things locally.
      - toyg 12y ago
        It's not just S3, it's that and your local ISP and the backbone it connects to. All the planets have to be aligned for your remote storage to be available. Locally, if you're using RAID like everyone else, you just have to trust your local electricity supply and your ability not to rm -rf /. Remote is fine for backups, though.
- ethbro 12y ago
  Aka http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_demand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_demand The 'enables new opportunities that were previous infeasible' component is more exciting. But generally, I think most of it gets swallowed up in more of the old.
avn2109 12y ago
Seriously this. Don't worry, Windows 11 will certainly require 1TB to run MaterialAeroMetro 2022. The only thing worth debating is whether the GUI design pendulum will have swung between Flat/glossy an even or odd number of times by then :p
- shkkmo 12y ago
  Windows 11? There isn't going to be a Windows 11, the version after 10 will be Windows 20, or maybe just Windows Cloud.
  - kale 12y ago
    They'll release Windows One the same time the new xBox is announced as "xBox Infinity".
- gtk40 12y ago
  Windows minimum system requirements haven't changed since Windows Vista in 2006, up to Windows 10 technical preview.
  - yuhong 12y ago
    Minimum RAM requirements to be more precise. In fact, I think they made the latest versions of Windows take less RAM.
Dylan16807 12y ago
By cutting out the part about speed you've grossly distorted the quote. Yes, people will hang on to lots of data. But for the vast majority of files there is absolutely no need to access them faster then, oh let's say 1gbps with 1ms latency. I'm sure people will find something to do with it but I'm having a very hard time thinking of situations where you want massive amounts of RAM and also need to be very power conscious or wary of power loss. Certain types of database, perhaps? I wouldn't imagine HPC worries much about power loss. Video game textures don't need to be nonvolatile. For most purposes you can keep shoving in DRAM and SSDs until you have enough space.

I will archive this thread to save this: > 1TB of non-volatile storage [...] Most average consumers won't use all of that

by j_s 12y ago

I will archive this thread to save this: > 1TB of non-volatile storage [...] Most average consumers won't use all of that

pbhjpbhj 12y ago

I'm with you I got my first 1TB HDD last year thinking it would last a few years. Nearly full now. Why? Because with all that space available I've changed how I use disk space - why throw stuff away. Also that I've moved to a higher grade camera and moved to consuming video stored on HDD rather than from discs. When we're creating fully immersive 4D environments in place of holiday snaps then I imagine we're going to be using quite a lot of memory waving through our holiday review with friends.

StavrosK 12y ago
> Because with all that space available I've changed how I use disk space - why throw stuff away. Funny, I'm the opposite. With all this bandwidth available, why keep stuff?
- jacquesm 12y ago
  Because storage availability is under your control but bandwidth+remote storage availability is not. In other words, you could lose your remote stuff + access to it.
  - StavrosK 12y ago
    I could lose my local stuff too, by having a disk fail. I trust S3's reliability more than my local disk, so it doesn't make sense to keep things locally.
    - toyg 12y ago
      It's not just S3, it's that and your local ISP and the backbone it connects to. All the planets have to be aligned for your remote storage to be available. Locally, if you're using RAID like everyone else, you just have to trust your local electricity supply and your ability not to rm -rf /. Remote is fine for backups, though.
ethbro 12y ago
Aka http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_demand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_demand The 'enables new opportunities that were previous infeasible' component is more exciting. But generally, I think most of it gets swallowed up in more of the old.

avn2109 12y ago

Seriously this. Don't worry, Windows 11 will certainly require 1TB to run MaterialAeroMetro 2022. The only thing worth debating is whether the GUI design pendulum will have swung between Flat/glossy an even or odd number of times by then :p

shkkmo 12y ago
Windows 11? There isn't going to be a Windows 11, the version after 10 will be Windows 20, or maybe just Windows Cloud.
- kale 12y ago
  They'll release Windows One the same time the new xBox is announced as "xBox Infinity".
gtk40 12y ago
Windows minimum system requirements haven't changed since Windows Vista in 2006, up to Windows 10 technical preview.
- yuhong 12y ago
  Minimum RAM requirements to be more precise. In fact, I think they made the latest versions of Windows take less RAM.

Dylan16807 12y ago

By cutting out the part about speed you've grossly distorted the quote. Yes, people will hang on to lots of data. But for the vast majority of files there is absolutely no need to access them faster then, oh let's say 1gbps with 1ms latency. I'm sure people will find something to do with it but I'm having a very hard time thinking of situations where you want massive amounts of RAM and also need to be very power conscious or wary of power loss. Certain types of database, perhaps? I wouldn't imagine HPC worries much about power loss. Video game textures don't need to be nonvolatile. For most purposes you can keep shoving in DRAM and SSDs until you have enough space.