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5.96” - A phone just under 6". This is possibly the biggest disappointment about the phone. Its simply too large for the average user. The nexus 5 was already q

5.96” - A phone just under 6". This is possibly the biggest disappointment about the phone. Its simply too large for the average user. The nexus 5 was already quite difficult to reach the top corners with one hand in my opinion with its 4.95”. you get over 24 hours of use from a full charge. - too many times I have heard this phrase from other smartphone manufacturers and its never true. Since this phone is made by Motorola(which I think is a great company that builds good products)there is hope but that screen is going to be a battery drainer. Motorola had their [0] Motorola Droid Maxx which held a 3,500mAh battery and its at least kind of true for that statement above. If they had put the 3220 mAh battery (or larger) in a 4.7" - 4.9" phone, I would gladly pay for that. Why can't smartphone manufacturers understand that a longer battery life is whats lacking in mobile devices? All the goodie features like Google Now and other location hungry services completely drain your battery in a short time. All I want is a smartphone that can last for at least one day on one charge. Lastly the price. The nexus line is known for the competitive price/performance being greatly competitive. If this phone asks for more than £350, does it really have the nexus characteristics anymore? I hope there will be android phones still produced with 5" or less screen size in the next 4 years. A significant portion of the population don't have unimaginably big hands (or pockets) to carry these so called "mobile" phones. 0. http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/16/motorola-droid-maxx-review/ http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/16/motorola-droid-maxx-revie...

Kalium 12y ago
> If they had put the 3220 mAh battery (or larger) in a 4.7" - 4.9" phone, I would gladly pay for that. Why can't smartphone manufacturers understand that a longer battery life is whats lacking in mobile devices? Because consumers reliably shell out more for larger screens and thinner phones than they do for bigger batteries?
- CedarMadness 12y ago
  Have a look at the Xperia Z3 Compact. Sony seem to be the only ones that care about battery life at this point.
MAGZine 12y ago
The nexus 5 will continue to be produced. It was a part of their Nexus 6/9/Player landing page this morning, and it was showing running android L. They're introducing this to appeal to a broader market. Also, Nexus phones more recently track "value" rather than "price". That is to say that they always deliver solid value, and probably will still continue to in relation to the much more expensive Galaxy Note and iPhone 6+.
- radley 12y ago
  I also think Google's been DYING to release a "Nexus 6" since day one...
- nly 12y ago
  Indeed. People need to remember the number refers roughly to the size. It's entirely possible we'll see a Nexus 5 2015 edition with updated specs, once they've milked the Christmas market with the 6.
  - lmedinas 12y ago
    There is even no need for this. The Device hardware it's still very good for another year imho.
    - adrusi 12y ago
      Battery life and camera could stand to be improved. I can't think of anything else the device needs, I'd pay $650 for a nexus 5 with a camera in the class of other phones at that price and a battery that can last all day without fail.
boyaka 12y ago
Apps that are running have a significant effect on battery life. One of the big problems with Android (vs iPhones) is that manufacturers and ISPs still have some control over messing with stock Apps. Also people might expect to be able to install any App they want and still get the same battery life. Many of these Apps require ridiculous permissions and are obviously collecting information about you and your usage. As if that isn't bad enough it is obviously horrible for your battery life! My recommendation would be to only install necessary Apps (uninstall the ones you tried out but are not interested in) and try disabling unnecessary stock Apps/services (browse to the App in your settings and click "Disable"). The latter might have a negative effect on your user experience, but might also reduce power consumption; or it might have no noticeable effect whatsoever. Worth a shot though.
- lstamour 12y ago
  Have a look at your Battery Usage settings for which apps are prime candidates to remove. But I think you'll also find L does a good enough job at extending battery life for many Android handsets. Don't get me wrong, I still think my iPhone uses less juice, but given the slightly larger battery in the Nexus 5 compared to the iPhone 6, it can hold its own under L.
nilkn 12y ago
Re: battery, I have a Note 3 with approximately the same size battery and have no issues with battery life. It easily lasts a full day unless I'm using it very heavily. I have Google Now notifications enabled and I also use Google's stock home screen/launcher with the Google Now integration.
deet 12y ago
Regarding size, keep in mind the changes in Android will make it easier to use the phone with one hand despite the larger size. The floating action button in material design places important, frequently used action within thumb's distance. Android's use of the back button is also beneficial for larger screens, since back is an extremely common action and keeping at the bottom of the screen reduces reach distance. There will definitely be cases when it will be inconvenient to have a large screen (in fact personally I'm disappointed it's > 5") but the problems can be alleviated by software. You can see it today by switching back and forth between Android and iOS. iOS design has not yet adapted to the larger size and is more inconvenient to use one handed (for example, the swipe to go back gesture is not universal and exiting dialogs often requires hitting a "Done" button at the top of the screen.) But as the software changes the size will become more acceptable.
- zimpenfish 12y ago
  The "double soft-tap" on the 6/6p home button will bring those halfway down the screen for you. Not ideal, obviously, but a decent workaround until people get used to the new UI metaphors.
aetherson 12y ago
I have literally never heard anyone ever say, "I like this phone I bought, but after using it for a couple of weeks, the screen is just a little too big for my tastes." Like, NEVER. In all the complaints I've heard about people's phones, over the seven years that we've had smartphones so far. What I have heard is a lot of people pooh-poohing 4.7" screens, 4.9" screens, 5.2" screens, etc., and those screen sizes going on to utterly dominate smaller phones.
- jackbewley 12y ago
  I'll say it. Been using the iPhone 6 for several weeks. Love it, but the screen is just a little too big for my tastes. It's awkward and I miss the smaller screen. It's enough of an annoyance I'm looking at other phones for the first time.
  - zippergz 12y ago
    I agree. My iPhone 6 is too big. Not an iPhone 6, just a regular iPhone. I've had it since launch day, so I've had plenty of time to get used to it. Whenever I pick up my wife's 5S, it's like a breath of fresh air.
  - deong 12y ago
    I've heard dozens of people say that about the iPhone 6 -- not necessarily about the 6 Plus though. I'd say that 5" versus 6" is a qualitative difference. People don't buy a 6" phone thinking, "Eh, whatever". You don't hear a lot of people complaining that 6" phones are too big for the same reason you don't hear a lot of people complaining that Linux is too hard to use -- because you only got there by having already decided the answer to the question.
- nostrademons 12y ago
  No, because the complaint you get is "I like this phone I bought, it has a great screen, but I can't reach the top half of it when I hold it, and my hand gets so tired, and I'm ending up with tendonitis or carpal tunnel all the time now." These are all very real complaints - I've heard them from coworkers (who work at Google, so if they have a bias, it's in the other way) and family members, and I suffered from frequent tendonitis while I had my Galaxy Nexus that went away when I "downgraded" (in screen size, at least) to a Moto X.
facepalm 12y ago
"The nexus 5 was already quite difficult to reach the top corners with one hand in my opinion with its 4.95” Some people have more than just one hand. And maybe you don't need to touch everywhere. If you read an article or watch a movie, there is no need to touch everywhere. "you get over 24 hours of use from a full charge. - too many times I have heard this phrase from other smartphone manufacturers and its never true" I'll wait for reviews of the actual device. What is the point of this kind of speculation?
esalman 12y ago
I like to know everyone's recommendation for a phone which has high performance-to-size ratio, like Sony Z3 compact etc.
guelo 12y ago
Screen size and battery capacity are not a tradeoff. The bigger the screen the bigger the case and the more room for a battery. From the long-lasting tablet batteries we've learned that battery capacity increases faster per increased quadratic[0] volume than the increased battery drain from the bigger screen area. [0] Battery volume increases only quadratically because the manufactures insist on maintaining thinness. It would be interesting to understand how thickness could affect battery capacity.
eitally 12y ago
I have an HTC One M8, which is really tall because of the dual speakers. I also have large hands. That said, there are a few things I don't or can't use my phone for because the screen is too small, but there is almost nothing I can't do because the phone is too big. Yes, it's more comfortable in a pocket to have a smaller device, and it's better UX to be able to reach the top corner with your thumb, but I have started thinking that phablets are the future of smartphones, small tablets are going to disappear, and we'll end up with three categories of devices: 1) small screen feature phones (which are actually perfectly competent smartphones, just with reduced hardware specs) like the Moto G), 2) 5.5-6.5" high end smartphones/phablets, and 3) large tablets (9"+). There will be outliers, of course (Sony Z3 Compact anyone?), but it seems apparent that with apps & advertising being the primary revenue stream, the bigger the screen the more money to be made. If I had a 6" phone I'd get rid of my 7" tablet. With a 5" phone I can't say that.
- mittortz 12y ago
  What are the few things you can't/don't use your M8 for because of its "small" screen? I have the original One, with its 4.7" screen, and have never seen the need for more than that. I only see it as cumbersome. The One is still cumbersome at times as it is, but has its benefits. I think that around 5" is the maximum sweet spot of cost/benefit from a usability standpoint though. Then again, I have never seen the need for tablets in general. My phone is perfect for everything on the go, and if I want to use a larger device for more complex/power tasks, my ultrabook does a much better job than a tablet/phablet on every front.
  - deong 12y ago
    I much prefer a big tablet (currently a Nexus 10) to a laptop for several things, most notably reading-heavy tasks (RSS, Magazines). I usually use a Kindle for novels and the like, but I read technical books or illustration-laden books on the tablet as well. If I were in a position to really have to sweat the $500 or so it takes to buy a good tablet, I doubt I'd say it's worth it just for the extra bit of convenience, but I do like it a lot, and as my Nexus 10 feels pretty ancient now, I'm going to preorder the 9 tomorrow.
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santosha 12y ago
Why is reaching every corner of the phone such a big deal anyway? Speaking for myself, one of the biggest reasons I like large screens is that reading and viewing content is so much easier - I don't have to squint when I'm watching a video, or deal with awkward reflowing. Interface designers don't have to use the new real estate just because it's there, they can design touch areas that are well within reach, while using the new extra space for other visual elements.
- kaared 12y ago
  >Why is reaching every corner of the phone such a big deal anyway? It's a big deal because the upper left corner is where Android places notifications and thus you're likely to perform this operation frequently and in a number of contexts. Whenever you get a notification you're very likely to want to evaluate it (and possibly take action) as quickly and reliably as possible. On my Nexus 5 I can easily unlock, swipe down and swipe left or tap with one hand and very quickly as well. On my OnePlus One unlocking is fine, but getting to the top left corner is tricky, slow and unreliable when I'm using one hand, and two hands is not always desirable or practical depending on the context.
  - boyaka 12y ago
    On my Galaxy Nexus you can swipe down on the entire top edge of the phone to bring down notifications. On the home screen you can actually swipe down anywhere to bring it down.
- cweiss 12y ago
  Sadly, even though interface designers don't have to use the new real-estate, they still do. Even Google is guilty of this - Google Maps has interface controls at the top and bottom of the screen. This is aggravated by the fact that Maps is one of those apps people tend to use while walking (or driving), specifically when two-handed use is most inconvenient (and just plain unsafe).Folks don't care as much if Facebook or Mail takes two hands because you're far more likely to be sitting down (or at least standing still) operating them.
DCKing 12y ago
> Its simply too large for the average user. > Why can't smartphone manufacturers understand that a longer battery life is whats lacking in mobile devices? I think it's quite bold to speak in such factual terms when talking about the "average" consumer or the market. Your opinion does not necessarily apply to everyone, or even the majority of the users. Not that I disagree with you, mind. It seems to me that these manufacturers are a lot better at knowing what their market wants. I'm saying that because these companies employ a lot of people to figure out what people want to buy. You might be tempted to project your own opinion and common sense onto how the market should behave, but I think these companies are doing a better job at figuring it out. They have to. I don't think these companies are either stupid or not listening. It really seems to be the case that a large screen increases sales, and longer battery life doesn't. That might seem mystifying to you and me, but that really seems to be the case. Similarily, you can make phones from plastic, with confusing and slow software on it, sell them for premium price, and own 80% of the Android market in many countries. That is also mystifying to me, but that's what Samsung has accomplished. EDIT: People are replying to my post as if I said that phones with large screens are a good thing. I didn't.
- skynetv2 12y ago
  I moved from a Galaxy Nexus to LG G3, which is smaller than the Nexus 6 and I find it incredibly hard to use. Can barely use it with one hand and it doesnt fit in my shirt pocket, sticks out, cant put it in my pant pockets, because it will break. Its very inconvenient size wise. awesome phone though and excellent battery life. Galaxy Nexus was so small I could put it anywhere on me and it would be just fine. Awesome to hold in one hand. Google just excluded itself from a large market and is competing only in phablet space. I guess with Moto X staying in the more average size space, they want to get in to phablet space, which is fine.
  - bane 12y ago
    > Can barely use it with one hand and it doesnt fit in my shirt pocket, sticks out, cant put it in my pant pockets, because it will break. Its very inconvenient size wise. awesome phone though and excellent battery life. I mean this in all seriousness, how small are your pants? When I got my Note, the first thing I checked was to see if it would fit in my pants pockets. No problem with a single pair. I keep seeing this complaint and the only conclusion I can come to is that people who complain about this really buy tight pants with tiny pockets. If I can't fit my entire hand comfortably into the pocket of whatever pants I'm buying, I'm simply not buying them. But I'm getting to be an old fart, and maybe the fashion you kids wear these days demands useless pockets you can't carry anything around in. But I've never understood this issue. Even women, who have next to useless pockets in their pants buy this size phone in huge numbers.
prlambert 12y ago
This screen size is so, so disappointing. I'm an iphone 5s user and was eagerly awaiting the new Nexus to make the switch to Android. But 6" is a tablet that can make calls, not a phone. I WANT to switch to Android/Nexus for hundreds of reasons but this screen size is a deal break. I need a phone I can use like... a phone. I've tried the iphone 6 plus in person and it's a monstrosity to use, definitely not a one hand device. And the Nexus 6 is even larger?... And I'm a man – I have pretty large hands. I can't imagine how it must feel in my wife (or many other women)'s hands. This needs to stop.
- ak217 12y ago
  Take a look at Nexus 5. It's an extremely nice phone and will remain so for a while.
- habith 12y ago
  > I'm an iphone 5s user and was eagerly awaiting the new Nexus to make the switch to Android I highly recommend that you borrow an Android phone from a friend before making the switch and spending some time with it. Also, check the permissions on most of the apps on Google Play[1] (scroll down and click view permissions) and ask yourself if they're justified[2]. Once an app is installed there's no controlling of the individual permissions. You do not get prompts asking you to authorize an app to access your contacts, location etc. It's an all or nothing approach. Some people will tell you to root/flash the phone and install an app to allow you to do what should have been a default OS behavior. I switched from Android to iOS about 2 years ago, and will never go back until Google fixes up the permissions system. [1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.facebook.katana https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.facebook.k... [2] http://inc42.com/buzz/facebook-wants-read-confidential-user-information-sms-kaspersky/ http://inc42.com/buzz/facebook-wants-read-confidential-user-...
  - oblique63 12y ago
    This has already been added to Lollipop: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/exclusive-android-l-looks-set-to-add-granular-permissions-prompts/ http://www.xda-developers.com/android/exclusive-android-l-lo...
macspoofing 12y ago
>Why can't smartphone manufacturers understand that a longer battery life is whats lacking in mobile devices? Sony Xperia Z3c is for you.
jotm 12y ago
yep, a 5 inch HD display and 20 real (screen on, 10 apps running + Wifi/3G/GPS) hours of battery life - that would be perfect. Having held an Xperia Z Ultra in my hand, I'm pretty sure I'll never want more than 5 inches of screen space, and double mega quad resolutions are useless at that size IMO.
dragonwriter 12y ago
> A phone just under 6". This is possibly the biggest disappointment about the phone. Its simply too large for the average user. Quite a large portion of the people I know with phablets like the Galaxy Note series are petite women -- people with smaller hands than "the average user". While the line you present is the exact line that Apple kept trotting out while they were in denial about the market demand for large phones, I don't think there is much support for it. Its true that there are usage patterns that work for small phones and not for larger phones, but I don't think the evidence from actual consumer behavior supports the argument that these are as important to what people are looking for in smartphones as the people who keep trotting out the "too big" argument like to believe.
- radley 12y ago
  I think it has to do with one-handed use with smaller hands. A phone would have to be really small (i.e. iPhone 3 & under)) to be useful, but you lose screen area. In contrast, phablets are a convenient mini-mini tablet that can also do calls and 4G data without additional costs of "tablet LTE".
  - masklinn 12y ago
    > I think it has to do with one-handed use with smaller hands. That's definitely the split, even with non-smaller hands.
    - deong 12y ago
      It does seem to be the majority, from all the anecdotal evidence of that being what people complain about. Maybe I'm weird. I don't care at all about one-handed use. For me the difference is being able to put it into my pocket without snapping off the headphone jack trying to waddle up a flight of stairs without bending at the hip.
  - ibrahima 12y ago
    Right, I think the threshold for one handed operation is actually closer to the iPhone 3 and once you go past that threshold you might as well go big or go home. People seem to be missing that. And I agree with the GP, you see a lot of girls with Note 3s because they just stick it in their purse or bag.
downandout 12y ago
>Its simply too large for the average user. Agreed. iPhone 6 Plus is too big for me at 5.5" and I have big hands. These "phones" are getting out of control in terms of size. The sweet spot seems to be between 4.7" and 5". Apparently usability engineers aren't being utilized very much these days.
monstermonster 12y ago
This will probably sound like a troll as I understand windows phone isn't popular here but my Nokia 630 lasts over 48 hours of medium usage EASILY on a tiny 1830mAh battery, has a perfectly sized 4.5" screen, has navigation that doesn't shit itself in the countryside and costs £99 SIM free off Amazon. The camera is shit but I tend to lug around a DSLR anyway if there's anything worth taking a photo of, so the phone is used for taking photos of where I parked so I can appeal tickets. Less pixels (480x854) means less power usage and I can't say I notice the difference that much compared to the wife's Moto G. But everyone goes "fuck windows phone" and walks away from such things...
- lstamour 12y ago
  If people knew that Google finally works under IE mobile in version 8.1, I think they'd re-consider Windows Phone. But that's not necessarily the HN crowd pleaser here ;-)
  - monstermonster 12y ago
    It has done since WM7.5 for ref.
    - lstamour 12y ago
      Right. If you like looking at the ugliness that is pre-iPhone Google search for mobile: http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/google-search/5b3f4847-71e3-df11-a844-00237de2db9e http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/google-search/5b... Even in their own app! We did not get proper, modern-looking iPhone-style touch-optimized mobile search results from Google for well over 20 months while Windows Phone 8 was fully capable (thanks to not using IE6) of displaying such touch-optimized CSS. I know, Googling or using Google services was IMPOSSIBLE on my incredibly modern Lumia 920 in January 2013. They just never bothered to optimize for any touch whatsoever and treated the platform as many companies did, like Windows Phone 7, and not something modern and new. It wasn't until Windows Phone 8.1 that IE11 began pretending to be an iPhone -- and oh look, search finally works (design-wise) if you use other providers than Bing! I re-tested before performing the 8.1 upgrade -- to this day, they still think Windows Phone 8 has not evolved from Windows Mobile days.
caycep 12y ago
i get 1.5 to 2 days sometimes on my 5s...
bane 12y ago
"was already quite difficult to reach the top corners with one hand" This is such a red herring. I switched from a smallish phone (a Nexus) to a Note 3 (which is just a fraction smaller than this) and it's absolutely amazing how millions of years of evolution equipped us to do things using both hands and how quickly we can accommodate ourselves to doing what nature intended. We even evolved walking upright just so we could accomplish this amazing feat. I even have smallish hands and have had zero trouble accommodating what apparently is a freakishly large phone so big I could serve dinner for six on it. Astonishingly it fits just fine in the front and rear pants pockets of all my pants and shorts, in my shirt pocket fine (if I'm wearing a shirt with a pocket), in my suit jacket pockets just fine, my hoodies are great with it. Bonus, I can actually read what's on the screen without having to hold it up next to my face. In fact it's smaller to carry around than my old moleskine notebooks which I also kept in my pocket until I got this phone, and now thanks to being big enough to keep a sane size pen and provide a reasonable writing surface has completely replaced. From larger touch targets to larger speaker for the speakerphone to more battery, the tremendous effort of just using two hands is far outweighed by all the benefits of having a larger phone. It's so useful it's even replaced me dragging along my tablet on trips for reading. I just took two trips and my phone was the only device I needed to bring along with me, large enough to comfortably type on, watch some shows on, battery life for all day hassle free use, I can comfortably read books on it in bed! It's so compelling a size that just on showing it to my friends and letting them handle it half of them went out and bought a phone in that size range. They "got" it only after using it for a bit. In practice you just use it like a small tablet that also happens to be a great phone. > If they had put the 3220 mAh battery (or larger) in a 4.7" - 4.9" phone, I would gladly pay for that. Why can't smartphone manufacturers understand that a longer battery life is whats lacking in mobile devices? Absolutely agree. In fact I'm almost thinking of getting this http://www.amazon.com/Hyperion-Extended-Compatible-International-Warranty/dp/B00DH0L5ZO http://www.amazon.com/Hyperion-Extended-Compatible-Internati...
- WizzleKake 12y ago
  Not everyone wants to use both hands. Some of us would like to be able to respond to a text message while carrying something, for example.
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sliverstorm 12y ago
All I want is a smartphone that can last for at least one day on one charge. My Moto G manages a full 36 hours with light use. (Many people say "Such and such a phone lasts me a full day!", but that often means 16 hours)
piyush_soni 12y ago
About battery, I get one full day of charge on my Nexus 5 (unless I'm travelling using the GPS navigation and play music along, it finishes in half a day). With the Nexus 6 having AMOLED screen and not LCD, it's supposed to save more battery (with dark pixels not lit at all), plus Android L which is supposed to save up to 36% more battery just by the software (compared to Kitkat), plus the bigger physical battery itself - all three things might save you much more than the Nexus 5. I agree on the price point though.
- de_Selby 12y ago
  >I get one full day of charge > unless I'm travelling using the GPS navigation and play music along ... Then you don't get one full day charge. Also, I had an AMOLED screen in my S2 and the battery life wasn't fantastic.
  - piyush_soni 12y ago
    Long travel in a car using GPS navigation (including playing music) is not exactly a daily-life scenario for me.
    - nilkn 12y ago
      Plus you have trivial access to charging in a car.
megablast 12y ago
Apple messed this up as well, not releasing a new 4" version of their device. So the people who want a new 4" have to get a year old device without all the new features like Apple pay?
enlightenedfool 12y ago
"Its simply too large for the average user". That's what iPhone users told. "Anything over 4-inch is too big". Now every one is happy with 5-inch and more. People just adapt given a choice. I know people with small hands just fine with 5.5 screens. I agree the price is a too much though.
colordrops 12y ago
> Why can't smartphone manufacturers understand that a longer battery life is whats lacking in mobile devices? Very true. These companies create some of the most complex products on the planet, and yet can't figure out that it's completely fucking brain-dead dumb that the device can't last through a day of normal usage. These are critical devices in our lives now, and Google et al could probably save millions in health care costs from stress-related problems caused by dead phones.
bulatb 12y ago
I've had the Droid Maxx for about a year now. I watch documentaries on YouTube, stream music over LTE and WiFi, and use Facebook/Quora/Imgur/Hacker News throughout the day and never think about the battery. I charge it maybe every other day. I've never had a phone that actually delivered on its promised battery, but this one comes quite close.
nradov 12y ago
On devices like the Samsung Galaxy series where you can swap the battery quickly, battery life ceases to be a concern.
lstamour 12y ago
> Why can't smartphone manufacturers understand that a longer battery life is whats lacking in mobile devices? I can tell you haven't been using the Android L Preview. I have, and the battery life extension is fantastic. Easily the equal to Nokia's. Basically, when it gets down to low power, it can shift into a mode where only foreground apps and activities are in use, and the battery can last all day easily. iOS, of course, prevents background activities overall and so uses less power continuously to achieve a similar battery life on newer phones. That said, the best way to get all-day battery life continues to be "don't use the phone so much" or the no-compromises "plug it in when you can" which I'm sure we're all familiar with. Phones recharge faster these days too...
- Kequc 12y ago
  "Don't use the phone so much" is good advice. I have an active social life and my Nexus 4 still lasts a day and a half when I don't plug it in. The people having trouble must be texting all day long. When I chat I use social media or chat programs, both of which are available on my computer. I would assume many users of HN use computers so I don't fully understand where the complaint is coming from. I, too wish that batteries were better than they are. But currently you just can't expect to use a device which has power unthinkable 50 years ago. The size of 10mm x 6inches, to run all day from off of an internal battery. It's unreasonable.
Shad0w59 12y ago
There's a phone for you already released - Sony Xperia Z3 compact.
tammer 12y ago
Google and Apple both see the writing on the wall. We (affluent technophiles) will be using our watches as a primary interface and the "phone" category will evolve into mini-tablets for composing longer messages and web browsing. The largest technical leap in battery life will come from looking at your watch 100+ times per day rather than your phone.
- diltonm 12y ago
  I don't want some honking monstrosity on my wrist pretending to be a watch. I want my Nexus One back with expandable storage and more than 200 Megs space for apps and a camera as good as in my 5. You know...a phone, smart, one each.
DominikR 12y ago
This is just your personal opinion. You cannot discount the fact that so many customers want buy phablets these days, that even Apple thought it makes sense to deliver a phablet iPhone for these customers. I had the same beliefs up until I bought the Note 2 a few years ago. Since then every single phone I bought for private use has been a phablet, and now I'm using an iPhone 6 Plus. And yes, it's not only 24 hours you get, I get 2 days out of phablets, but I'm rarely playing video games. But here's the good news for you: smaller phones aren't disappearing. If you don't like phablets, there are powerful high end phones with 4.5-5 inches from every manufacturer. So there's really nothing to complain about.
znowi 12y ago
> A phone just under 6" This is the only reason why I am not buying this shovel of a phone.
novaleaf 12y ago
as an owner of the original galaxy note, I welcome our new phablet overlords
jamespo 12y ago
The phone you are looking for is the Sony Z3 Compact
SkyMarshal 12y ago
Agreed. WTB a Nexus 4 with smaller screen size, and double thickness all taken up with extra battery. WTB 24 hours of heavy constant use, not just "use" aka 99% standby. The Nexus 5 is amazingly thin and rigid, the engineers did a great job with it, but I'd be completely happy if it were twice as thick with all the additional room filled with battery only.

Kalium 12y ago

> If they had put the 3220 mAh battery (or larger) in a 4.7" - 4.9" phone, I would gladly pay for that. Why can't smartphone manufacturers understand that a longer battery life is whats lacking in mobile devices? Because consumers reliably shell out more for larger screens and thinner phones than they do for bigger batteries?

CedarMadness 12y ago
Have a look at the Xperia Z3 Compact. Sony seem to be the only ones that care about battery life at this point.

MAGZine 12y ago

The nexus 5 will continue to be produced. It was a part of their Nexus 6/9/Player landing page this morning, and it was showing running android L. They're introducing this to appeal to a broader market. Also, Nexus phones more recently track "value" rather than "price". That is to say that they always deliver solid value, and probably will still continue to in relation to the much more expensive Galaxy Note and iPhone 6+.

radley 12y ago
I also think Google's been DYING to release a "Nexus 6" since day one...
nly 12y ago
Indeed. People need to remember the number refers roughly to the size. It's entirely possible we'll see a Nexus 5 2015 edition with updated specs, once they've milked the Christmas market with the 6.
- lmedinas 12y ago
  There is even no need for this. The Device hardware it's still very good for another year imho.
  - adrusi 12y ago
    Battery life and camera could stand to be improved. I can't think of anything else the device needs, I'd pay $650 for a nexus 5 with a camera in the class of other phones at that price and a battery that can last all day without fail.

boyaka 12y ago

Apps that are running have a significant effect on battery life. One of the big problems with Android (vs iPhones) is that manufacturers and ISPs still have some control over messing with stock Apps. Also people might expect to be able to install any App they want and still get the same battery life. Many of these Apps require ridiculous permissions and are obviously collecting information about you and your usage. As if that isn't bad enough it is obviously horrible for your battery life! My recommendation would be to only install necessary Apps (uninstall the ones you tried out but are not interested in) and try disabling unnecessary stock Apps/services (browse to the App in your settings and click "Disable"). The latter might have a negative effect on your user experience, but might also reduce power consumption; or it might have no noticeable effect whatsoever. Worth a shot though.

lstamour 12y ago
Have a look at your Battery Usage settings for which apps are prime candidates to remove. But I think you'll also find L does a good enough job at extending battery life for many Android handsets. Don't get me wrong, I still think my iPhone uses less juice, but given the slightly larger battery in the Nexus 5 compared to the iPhone 6, it can hold its own under L.

nilkn 12y ago

Re: battery, I have a Note 3 with approximately the same size battery and have no issues with battery life. It easily lasts a full day unless I'm using it very heavily. I have Google Now notifications enabled and I also use Google's stock home screen/launcher with the Google Now integration.

deet 12y ago

Regarding size, keep in mind the changes in Android will make it easier to use the phone with one hand despite the larger size. The floating action button in material design places important, frequently used action within thumb's distance. Android's use of the back button is also beneficial for larger screens, since back is an extremely common action and keeping at the bottom of the screen reduces reach distance. There will definitely be cases when it will be inconvenient to have a large screen (in fact personally I'm disappointed it's > 5") but the problems can be alleviated by software. You can see it today by switching back and forth between Android and iOS. iOS design has not yet adapted to the larger size and is more inconvenient to use one handed (for example, the swipe to go back gesture is not universal and exiting dialogs often requires hitting a "Done" button at the top of the screen.) But as the software changes the size will become more acceptable.

zimpenfish 12y ago
The "double soft-tap" on the 6/6p home button will bring those halfway down the screen for you. Not ideal, obviously, but a decent workaround until people get used to the new UI metaphors.

aetherson 12y ago

I have literally never heard anyone ever say, "I like this phone I bought, but after using it for a couple of weeks, the screen is just a little too big for my tastes." Like, NEVER. In all the complaints I've heard about people's phones, over the seven years that we've had smartphones so far. What I have heard is a lot of people pooh-poohing 4.7" screens, 4.9" screens, 5.2" screens, etc., and those screen sizes going on to utterly dominate smaller phones.

jackbewley 12y ago
I'll say it. Been using the iPhone 6 for several weeks. Love it, but the screen is just a little too big for my tastes. It's awkward and I miss the smaller screen. It's enough of an annoyance I'm looking at other phones for the first time.
- zippergz 12y ago
  I agree. My iPhone 6 is too big. Not an iPhone 6, just a regular iPhone. I've had it since launch day, so I've had plenty of time to get used to it. Whenever I pick up my wife's 5S, it's like a breath of fresh air.
- deong 12y ago
  I've heard dozens of people say that about the iPhone 6 -- not necessarily about the 6 Plus though. I'd say that 5" versus 6" is a qualitative difference. People don't buy a 6" phone thinking, "Eh, whatever". You don't hear a lot of people complaining that 6" phones are too big for the same reason you don't hear a lot of people complaining that Linux is too hard to use -- because you only got there by having already decided the answer to the question.
nostrademons 12y ago
No, because the complaint you get is "I like this phone I bought, it has a great screen, but I can't reach the top half of it when I hold it, and my hand gets so tired, and I'm ending up with tendonitis or carpal tunnel all the time now." These are all very real complaints - I've heard them from coworkers (who work at Google, so if they have a bias, it's in the other way) and family members, and I suffered from frequent tendonitis while I had my Galaxy Nexus that went away when I "downgraded" (in screen size, at least) to a Moto X.

facepalm 12y ago

"The nexus 5 was already quite difficult to reach the top corners with one hand in my opinion with its 4.95” Some people have more than just one hand. And maybe you don't need to touch everywhere. If you read an article or watch a movie, there is no need to touch everywhere. "you get over 24 hours of use from a full charge. - too many times I have heard this phrase from other smartphone manufacturers and its never true" I'll wait for reviews of the actual device. What is the point of this kind of speculation?

esalman 12y ago

I like to know everyone's recommendation for a phone which has high performance-to-size ratio, like Sony Z3 compact etc.

guelo 12y ago

Screen size and battery capacity are not a tradeoff. The bigger the screen the bigger the case and the more room for a battery. From the long-lasting tablet batteries we've learned that battery capacity increases faster per increased quadratic[0] volume than the increased battery drain from the bigger screen area. [0] Battery volume increases only quadratically because the manufactures insist on maintaining thinness. It would be interesting to understand how thickness could affect battery capacity.

eitally 12y ago

I have an HTC One M8, which is really tall because of the dual speakers. I also have large hands. That said, there are a few things I don't or can't use my phone for because the screen is too small, but there is almost nothing I can't do because the phone is too big. Yes, it's more comfortable in a pocket to have a smaller device, and it's better UX to be able to reach the top corner with your thumb, but I have started thinking that phablets are the future of smartphones, small tablets are going to disappear, and we'll end up with three categories of devices: 1) small screen feature phones (which are actually perfectly competent smartphones, just with reduced hardware specs) like the Moto G), 2) 5.5-6.5" high end smartphones/phablets, and 3) large tablets (9"+). There will be outliers, of course (Sony Z3 Compact anyone?), but it seems apparent that with apps & advertising being the primary revenue stream, the bigger the screen the more money to be made. If I had a 6" phone I'd get rid of my 7" tablet. With a 5" phone I can't say that.

mittortz 12y ago
What are the few things you can't/don't use your M8 for because of its "small" screen? I have the original One, with its 4.7" screen, and have never seen the need for more than that. I only see it as cumbersome. The One is still cumbersome at times as it is, but has its benefits. I think that around 5" is the maximum sweet spot of cost/benefit from a usability standpoint though. Then again, I have never seen the need for tablets in general. My phone is perfect for everything on the go, and if I want to use a larger device for more complex/power tasks, my ultrabook does a much better job than a tablet/phablet on every front.
- deong 12y ago
  I much prefer a big tablet (currently a Nexus 10) to a laptop for several things, most notably reading-heavy tasks (RSS, Magazines). I usually use a Kindle for novels and the like, but I read technical books or illustration-laden books on the tablet as well. If I were in a position to really have to sweat the $500 or so it takes to buy a good tablet, I doubt I'd say it's worth it just for the extra bit of convenience, but I do like it a lot, and as my Nexus 10 feels pretty ancient now, I'm going to preorder the 9 tomorrow.
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santosha 12y ago

Why is reaching every corner of the phone such a big deal anyway? Speaking for myself, one of the biggest reasons I like large screens is that reading and viewing content is so much easier - I don't have to squint when I'm watching a video, or deal with awkward reflowing. Interface designers don't have to use the new real estate just because it's there, they can design touch areas that are well within reach, while using the new extra space for other visual elements.

kaared 12y ago
>Why is reaching every corner of the phone such a big deal anyway? It's a big deal because the upper left corner is where Android places notifications and thus you're likely to perform this operation frequently and in a number of contexts. Whenever you get a notification you're very likely to want to evaluate it (and possibly take action) as quickly and reliably as possible. On my Nexus 5 I can easily unlock, swipe down and swipe left or tap with one hand and very quickly as well. On my OnePlus One unlocking is fine, but getting to the top left corner is tricky, slow and unreliable when I'm using one hand, and two hands is not always desirable or practical depending on the context.
- boyaka 12y ago
  On my Galaxy Nexus you can swipe down on the entire top edge of the phone to bring down notifications. On the home screen you can actually swipe down anywhere to bring it down.
cweiss 12y ago
Sadly, even though interface designers don't have to use the new real-estate, they still do. Even Google is guilty of this - Google Maps has interface controls at the top and bottom of the screen. This is aggravated by the fact that Maps is one of those apps people tend to use while walking (or driving), specifically when two-handed use is most inconvenient (and just plain unsafe).Folks don't care as much if Facebook or Mail takes two hands because you're far more likely to be sitting down (or at least standing still) operating them.

DCKing 12y ago

> Its simply too large for the average user. > Why can't smartphone manufacturers understand that a longer battery life is whats lacking in mobile devices? I think it's quite bold to speak in such factual terms when talking about the "average" consumer or the market. Your opinion does not necessarily apply to everyone, or even the majority of the users. Not that I disagree with you, mind. It seems to me that these manufacturers are a lot better at knowing what their market wants. I'm saying that because these companies employ a lot of people to figure out what people want to buy. You might be tempted to project your own opinion and common sense onto how the market should behave, but I think these companies are doing a better job at figuring it out. They have to. I don't think these companies are either stupid or not listening. It really seems to be the case that a large screen increases sales, and longer battery life doesn't. That might seem mystifying to you and me, but that really seems to be the case. Similarily, you can make phones from plastic, with confusing and slow software on it, sell them for premium price, and own 80% of the Android market in many countries. That is also mystifying to me, but that's what Samsung has accomplished. EDIT: People are replying to my post as if I said that phones with large screens are a good thing. I didn't.

skynetv2 12y ago
I moved from a Galaxy Nexus to LG G3, which is smaller than the Nexus 6 and I find it incredibly hard to use. Can barely use it with one hand and it doesnt fit in my shirt pocket, sticks out, cant put it in my pant pockets, because it will break. Its very inconvenient size wise. awesome phone though and excellent battery life. Galaxy Nexus was so small I could put it anywhere on me and it would be just fine. Awesome to hold in one hand. Google just excluded itself from a large market and is competing only in phablet space. I guess with Moto X staying in the more average size space, they want to get in to phablet space, which is fine.
- bane 12y ago
  > Can barely use it with one hand and it doesnt fit in my shirt pocket, sticks out, cant put it in my pant pockets, because it will break. Its very inconvenient size wise. awesome phone though and excellent battery life. I mean this in all seriousness, how small are your pants? When I got my Note, the first thing I checked was to see if it would fit in my pants pockets. No problem with a single pair. I keep seeing this complaint and the only conclusion I can come to is that people who complain about this really buy tight pants with tiny pockets. If I can't fit my entire hand comfortably into the pocket of whatever pants I'm buying, I'm simply not buying them. But I'm getting to be an old fart, and maybe the fashion you kids wear these days demands useless pockets you can't carry anything around in. But I've never understood this issue. Even women, who have next to useless pockets in their pants buy this size phone in huge numbers.

prlambert 12y ago

This screen size is so, so disappointing. I'm an iphone 5s user and was eagerly awaiting the new Nexus to make the switch to Android. But 6" is a tablet that can make calls, not a phone. I WANT to switch to Android/Nexus for hundreds of reasons but this screen size is a deal break. I need a phone I can use like... a phone. I've tried the iphone 6 plus in person and it's a monstrosity to use, definitely not a one hand device. And the Nexus 6 is even larger?... And I'm a man – I have pretty large hands. I can't imagine how it must feel in my wife (or many other women)'s hands. This needs to stop.

ak217 12y ago
Take a look at Nexus 5. It's an extremely nice phone and will remain so for a while.
habith 12y ago
> I'm an iphone 5s user and was eagerly awaiting the new Nexus to make the switch to Android I highly recommend that you borrow an Android phone from a friend before making the switch and spending some time with it. Also, check the permissions on most of the apps on Google Play[1] (scroll down and click view permissions) and ask yourself if they're justified[2]. Once an app is installed there's no controlling of the individual permissions. You do not get prompts asking you to authorize an app to access your contacts, location etc. It's an all or nothing approach. Some people will tell you to root/flash the phone and install an app to allow you to do what should have been a default OS behavior. I switched from Android to iOS about 2 years ago, and will never go back until Google fixes up the permissions system. [1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.facebook.katana https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.facebook.k... [2] http://inc42.com/buzz/facebook-wants-read-confidential-user-information-sms-kaspersky/ http://inc42.com/buzz/facebook-wants-read-confidential-user-...
- oblique63 12y ago
  This has already been added to Lollipop: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/exclusive-android-l-looks-set-to-add-granular-permissions-prompts/ http://www.xda-developers.com/android/exclusive-android-l-lo...

macspoofing 12y ago

>Why can't smartphone manufacturers understand that a longer battery life is whats lacking in mobile devices? Sony Xperia Z3c is for you.

jotm 12y ago

yep, a 5 inch HD display and 20 real (screen on, 10 apps running + Wifi/3G/GPS) hours of battery life - that would be perfect. Having held an Xperia Z Ultra in my hand, I'm pretty sure I'll never want more than 5 inches of screen space, and double mega quad resolutions are useless at that size IMO.

dragonwriter 12y ago

> A phone just under 6". This is possibly the biggest disappointment about the phone. Its simply too large for the average user. Quite a large portion of the people I know with phablets like the Galaxy Note series are petite women -- people with smaller hands than "the average user". While the line you present is the exact line that Apple kept trotting out while they were in denial about the market demand for large phones, I don't think there is much support for it. Its true that there are usage patterns that work for small phones and not for larger phones, but I don't think the evidence from actual consumer behavior supports the argument that these are as important to what people are looking for in smartphones as the people who keep trotting out the "too big" argument like to believe.

radley 12y ago
I think it has to do with one-handed use with smaller hands. A phone would have to be really small (i.e. iPhone 3 & under)) to be useful, but you lose screen area. In contrast, phablets are a convenient mini-mini tablet that can also do calls and 4G data without additional costs of "tablet LTE".
- masklinn 12y ago
  > I think it has to do with one-handed use with smaller hands. That's definitely the split, even with non-smaller hands.
  - deong 12y ago
    It does seem to be the majority, from all the anecdotal evidence of that being what people complain about. Maybe I'm weird. I don't care at all about one-handed use. For me the difference is being able to put it into my pocket without snapping off the headphone jack trying to waddle up a flight of stairs without bending at the hip.
- ibrahima 12y ago
  Right, I think the threshold for one handed operation is actually closer to the iPhone 3 and once you go past that threshold you might as well go big or go home. People seem to be missing that. And I agree with the GP, you see a lot of girls with Note 3s because they just stick it in their purse or bag.

downandout 12y ago

>Its simply too large for the average user. Agreed. iPhone 6 Plus is too big for me at 5.5" and I have big hands. These "phones" are getting out of control in terms of size. The sweet spot seems to be between 4.7" and 5". Apparently usability engineers aren't being utilized very much these days.

monstermonster 12y ago

This will probably sound like a troll as I understand windows phone isn't popular here but my Nokia 630 lasts over 48 hours of medium usage EASILY on a tiny 1830mAh battery, has a perfectly sized 4.5" screen, has navigation that doesn't shit itself in the countryside and costs £99 SIM free off Amazon. The camera is shit but I tend to lug around a DSLR anyway if there's anything worth taking a photo of, so the phone is used for taking photos of where I parked so I can appeal tickets. Less pixels (480x854) means less power usage and I can't say I notice the difference that much compared to the wife's Moto G. But everyone goes "fuck windows phone" and walks away from such things...

lstamour 12y ago
If people knew that Google finally works under IE mobile in version 8.1, I think they'd re-consider Windows Phone. But that's not necessarily the HN crowd pleaser here ;-)
- monstermonster 12y ago
  It has done since WM7.5 for ref.
  - lstamour 12y ago
    Right. If you like looking at the ugliness that is pre-iPhone Google search for mobile: http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/google-search/5b3f4847-71e3-df11-a844-00237de2db9e http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/google-search/5b... Even in their own app! We did not get proper, modern-looking iPhone-style touch-optimized mobile search results from Google for well over 20 months while Windows Phone 8 was fully capable (thanks to not using IE6) of displaying such touch-optimized CSS. I know, Googling or using Google services was IMPOSSIBLE on my incredibly modern Lumia 920 in January 2013. They just never bothered to optimize for any touch whatsoever and treated the platform as many companies did, like Windows Phone 7, and not something modern and new. It wasn't until Windows Phone 8.1 that IE11 began pretending to be an iPhone -- and oh look, search finally works (design-wise) if you use other providers than Bing! I re-tested before performing the 8.1 upgrade -- to this day, they still think Windows Phone 8 has not evolved from Windows Mobile days.

caycep 12y ago

i get 1.5 to 2 days sometimes on my 5s...

bane 12y ago

"was already quite difficult to reach the top corners with one hand" This is such a red herring. I switched from a smallish phone (a Nexus) to a Note 3 (which is just a fraction smaller than this) and it's absolutely amazing how millions of years of evolution equipped us to do things using both hands and how quickly we can accommodate ourselves to doing what nature intended. We even evolved walking upright just so we could accomplish this amazing feat. I even have smallish hands and have had zero trouble accommodating what apparently is a freakishly large phone so big I could serve dinner for six on it. Astonishingly it fits just fine in the front and rear pants pockets of all my pants and shorts, in my shirt pocket fine (if I'm wearing a shirt with a pocket), in my suit jacket pockets just fine, my hoodies are great with it. Bonus, I can actually read what's on the screen without having to hold it up next to my face. In fact it's smaller to carry around than my old moleskine notebooks which I also kept in my pocket until I got this phone, and now thanks to being big enough to keep a sane size pen and provide a reasonable writing surface has completely replaced. From larger touch targets to larger speaker for the speakerphone to more battery, the tremendous effort of just using two hands is far outweighed by all the benefits of having a larger phone. It's so useful it's even replaced me dragging along my tablet on trips for reading. I just took two trips and my phone was the only device I needed to bring along with me, large enough to comfortably type on, watch some shows on, battery life for all day hassle free use, I can comfortably read books on it in bed! It's so compelling a size that just on showing it to my friends and letting them handle it half of them went out and bought a phone in that size range. They "got" it only after using it for a bit. In practice you just use it like a small tablet that also happens to be a great phone. > If they had put the 3220 mAh battery (or larger) in a 4.7" - 4.9" phone, I would gladly pay for that. Why can't smartphone manufacturers understand that a longer battery life is whats lacking in mobile devices? Absolutely agree. In fact I'm almost thinking of getting this http://www.amazon.com/Hyperion-Extended-Compatible-International-Warranty/dp/B00DH0L5ZO http://www.amazon.com/Hyperion-Extended-Compatible-Internati...

WizzleKake 12y ago
Not everyone wants to use both hands. Some of us would like to be able to respond to a text message while carrying something, for example.

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sliverstorm 12y ago

All I want is a smartphone that can last for at least one day on one charge. My Moto G manages a full 36 hours with light use. (Many people say "Such and such a phone lasts me a full day!", but that often means 16 hours)

piyush_soni 12y ago

About battery, I get one full day of charge on my Nexus 5 (unless I'm travelling using the GPS navigation and play music along, it finishes in half a day). With the Nexus 6 having AMOLED screen and not LCD, it's supposed to save more battery (with dark pixels not lit at all), plus Android L which is supposed to save up to 36% more battery just by the software (compared to Kitkat), plus the bigger physical battery itself - all three things might save you much more than the Nexus 5. I agree on the price point though.

de_Selby 12y ago
>I get one full day of charge > unless I'm travelling using the GPS navigation and play music along ... Then you don't get one full day charge. Also, I had an AMOLED screen in my S2 and the battery life wasn't fantastic.
- piyush_soni 12y ago
  Long travel in a car using GPS navigation (including playing music) is not exactly a daily-life scenario for me.
  - nilkn 12y ago
    Plus you have trivial access to charging in a car.

megablast 12y ago

Apple messed this up as well, not releasing a new 4" version of their device. So the people who want a new 4" have to get a year old device without all the new features like Apple pay?

enlightenedfool 12y ago

"Its simply too large for the average user". That's what iPhone users told. "Anything over 4-inch is too big". Now every one is happy with 5-inch and more. People just adapt given a choice. I know people with small hands just fine with 5.5 screens. I agree the price is a too much though.

colordrops 12y ago

> Why can't smartphone manufacturers understand that a longer battery life is whats lacking in mobile devices? Very true. These companies create some of the most complex products on the planet, and yet can't figure out that it's completely fucking brain-dead dumb that the device can't last through a day of normal usage. These are critical devices in our lives now, and Google et al could probably save millions in health care costs from stress-related problems caused by dead phones.

bulatb 12y ago

I've had the Droid Maxx for about a year now. I watch documentaries on YouTube, stream music over LTE and WiFi, and use Facebook/Quora/Imgur/Hacker News throughout the day and never think about the battery. I charge it maybe every other day. I've never had a phone that actually delivered on its promised battery, but this one comes quite close.

nradov 12y ago

On devices like the Samsung Galaxy series where you can swap the battery quickly, battery life ceases to be a concern.

lstamour 12y ago

> Why can't smartphone manufacturers understand that a longer battery life is whats lacking in mobile devices? I can tell you haven't been using the Android L Preview. I have, and the battery life extension is fantastic. Easily the equal to Nokia's. Basically, when it gets down to low power, it can shift into a mode where only foreground apps and activities are in use, and the battery can last all day easily. iOS, of course, prevents background activities overall and so uses less power continuously to achieve a similar battery life on newer phones. That said, the best way to get all-day battery life continues to be "don't use the phone so much" or the no-compromises "plug it in when you can" which I'm sure we're all familiar with. Phones recharge faster these days too...

Kequc 12y ago
"Don't use the phone so much" is good advice. I have an active social life and my Nexus 4 still lasts a day and a half when I don't plug it in. The people having trouble must be texting all day long. When I chat I use social media or chat programs, both of which are available on my computer. I would assume many users of HN use computers so I don't fully understand where the complaint is coming from. I, too wish that batteries were better than they are. But currently you just can't expect to use a device which has power unthinkable 50 years ago. The size of 10mm x 6inches, to run all day from off of an internal battery. It's unreasonable.

Shad0w59 12y ago

There's a phone for you already released - Sony Xperia Z3 compact.

tammer 12y ago

Google and Apple both see the writing on the wall. We (affluent technophiles) will be using our watches as a primary interface and the "phone" category will evolve into mini-tablets for composing longer messages and web browsing. The largest technical leap in battery life will come from looking at your watch 100+ times per day rather than your phone.

diltonm 12y ago
I don't want some honking monstrosity on my wrist pretending to be a watch. I want my Nexus One back with expandable storage and more than 200 Megs space for apps and a camera as good as in my 5. You know...a phone, smart, one each.

DominikR 12y ago

This is just your personal opinion. You cannot discount the fact that so many customers want buy phablets these days, that even Apple thought it makes sense to deliver a phablet iPhone for these customers. I had the same beliefs up until I bought the Note 2 a few years ago. Since then every single phone I bought for private use has been a phablet, and now I'm using an iPhone 6 Plus. And yes, it's not only 24 hours you get, I get 2 days out of phablets, but I'm rarely playing video games. But here's the good news for you: smaller phones aren't disappearing. If you don't like phablets, there are powerful high end phones with 4.5-5 inches from every manufacturer. So there's really nothing to complain about.

znowi 12y ago

> A phone just under 6" This is the only reason why I am not buying this shovel of a phone.

novaleaf 12y ago

as an owner of the original galaxy note, I welcome our new phablet overlords

jamespo 12y ago

The phone you are looking for is the Sony Z3 Compact

SkyMarshal 12y ago

Agreed. WTB a Nexus 4 with smaller screen size, and double thickness all taken up with extra battery. WTB 24 hours of heavy constant use, not just "use" aka 99% standby. The Nexus 5 is amazingly thin and rigid, the engineers did a great job with it, but I'd be completely happy if it were twice as thick with all the additional room filled with battery only.