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iPhone 6

• cylinder 12y ago
  Nexus 5 is all the phone one needs, at half the price.
  • Mikeb85 12y ago
    Yup. More than happy with mine...
    • sprokolopolis 12y ago
      Since buying my Nexus 5 last year, I still haven't found any phone that I've wanted more. It is holding up nicely.
  • gtaylor 12y ago
    I like mine, but it's time for a refresh. A better camera, a little more GPS accuracy and I'd be all set.
  • philangist 12y ago
    Nexus 5 owner and general android fanboy here. I'd agree with you if not for the fact that the Nexus 5's camera is still not nearly as good as the iPhone 5/6's. In fact it can be downright terrible at times.
    • cylinder 12y ago
      Agree the camera can be poor but I think future software fixes will remedy that. Hardware upgrades to Nexus 6 are more affordable due to lower price of the device, too. I also like the extra features like multiple panoramic options and photo sphere.
      • Systemic33 12y ago
        Poor camera is not a software problem. It's a matter of hardware. And skimping on the qualitative stuff like a camera is a very easy way to lower price.
      • dwg 12y ago
        Skeptical about software fixes for camera problems. If the hardware itself isn't very good, then software will only be able to do so much...
    • frandroid 12y ago
      There's nothing that comes close to the iPhone camera on Android, unfortunately. :(
      • petercooper 12y ago
        I am in both Android and iOS camps and I'd say the Note 3's camera comes very close, perhaps even beating it on stills and certainly on 4K recording. The Note's auto-focus is absolutely hideous though so for short videos/vlogging/Vine/Facetime/Skype the iPhone is still the winner. I'm still getting the 6 Plus instead of the Note 4 though.. simply because it's three fewer weeks to wait ;-P
        • frandroid 12y ago
          The multi-tone flash on the iPhone is a killer feature that even expensive DSLRs don't have...
          • petercooper 12y ago
            I'll check it out. I never use the flash on any camera (even my DSLR) simply because it never looks good, but it sounds like the iPhone's might be worth a go.
  • oatmeal_coffee 12y ago
    True unless someone has made years of investments in iTunes-sourced content, then moving over to a cheaper phone with the same feature set is no longer an apples-to-apples comparison. I have a collection that goes back to iTunes' and the iPod's very first days. I'm not terribly keen going through any conversion/repurchasing process.
    • Karunamon 12y ago
      Remember that music on on iTunes isn't DRMed anymore. With movies you're SOL, but Google Play literally let me just upload my iTunes music folder, and aside from a couple of metadata glitches, it just worked.
    • dragonwriter 12y ago
      The conversion process from iTunes to Google Play Music is: Step 1. Install Google's Music Manager on a PA which also has you iTunes library. Step 2. Let the automatic sync run. Not exactly painful. Potentially time consuming with a large library, but virtually none of it is active time.
    • JohnTHaller 12y ago
      If you bought your music after Apple finally ditched DRM, you can upload your AAC files to Google Music for free and sync/stream them to all your Android devices as well as your laptops/desktops. If you "bought" your music with Apple DRM, you can pay another fee to actually own it and be able to play it on a non-Apple devices. If you "bought" your videos with Apple DRM, consider it a lesson learned.
      • oatmeal_coffee 12y ago
        Taking the entire migration process you describe changes the "price" to be paid for similar phone, so my claim of false equivalence still stands. There's no "lesson" when I have made the conscious decision to stick with Apple all these years. I may have paid a premium paying for iPods and iPhones, but I feel my time is valuable enough to not have to mess around with my media files in any way you describe. Nor do I feel the urge to spend money on music I have already purchased, but I don't see that as being a mistake from which to learn a lesson. Nothing has happened to me with Apple or its products so egregious to feel compelled to take on anything like you describe.
  • mycookie 12y ago
    Going with that logic, Moto G is all the phone one needs, at half the price of the Nexus 5.
  • MrScruff 12y ago
    Personally, I spend far less on phones than I do on coffee, so I guess I'm not really that price sensitive if I have a preference.
  • runeks 12y ago
    Actually, I've had a Nexus 5 for the past 6 months, and I'm considering buying an iPhone 6 to replace it. I've never had an iPhone, so I'm curious to see how it compares to Android phones (my previous phones have been Samsung Galaxy S3, Nexus 4 and now Nexus 5).
• mrb 12y ago
  ALL iPhone generations released so far have a CSS pixel width of 320 pixels. But the iPhone 6 is the first to change this. It looks like Apple is finally bumping this up! This means a bit more text can fit on each line when holding the phone vertically for websites using <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width">: - iPhone 6 is 1334x750: CSS pixel width is likely 375px (pixel ratio = 2) - iPhone 6 Plus is 1920x1080: CSS pixel width is likely either 432px (pixel ratio = 2.5) or 360px (pixel ratio = 3). It would make sense to implement a ratio of 2.5 as it would be 15.2% more CSS pixels for a screen 17.0% wider. But on the other hand (1) Apple designers are perfectionists and a fractional ratio means an image slightly less sharp, and (2) maybe with the Plus model Apple wants to attract smartphone buyers who dislike tiny text on a tiny display so it would make sense to provide fewer CSS pixels on a bigger screen... I am really curious to know which way they went. This all needs to be confirmed with a device in hands...
  • sp332 12y ago
    At 400 DPI, the image will probably be sharp even with a fractional pixel ratio.
  • giulianob 12y ago
    I wonder how this will affect many of the apps where devs have hard coded the screen resolution and depend on the current DPI. The iPhone 4 doubled the DPI and the resolution so that it would be fairly seamless to devs. The iPhone 5 made the screen a bit wider but kept the same DPI. It looks like the iPhone 6 changes both DPI and resolution so this might break many existing apps.
  • bane 12y ago
    BTW, a quick review of Gruber's analysis. http://daringfireball.net/2014/08/larger_iphone_display_conjecture http://daringfireball.net/2014/08/larger_iphone_display_conj... Spot on for the 6, off for the 6+. So what does this mean for 6+ users and developers?
    • Kurtz79 12y ago
      With hindsight, I don't think a resolution higher than 1080p was ever an option for Apple. Wasn't the original Retina display touted close to the limit of human perception ? Regardless of marketingspeak, higher resolution displays have unclear benefits, since possibly people won't notice difference in sharpness, and clear drawbacks, as increased battery consumption: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/06/lg-g3-review-a-great-phone-with-way-too-many-pixels/ http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/06/lg-g3-review-a-great-...
• Swizec 12y ago
  The iPhone6+ looks just like one of those giant Android monsters from Nexus or Samsung. This makes me sad. I have small-person sized hands and often struggle even with the normal iPhone5 and the trend for making phones bigger and bigger makes me angry and sad at the same time. I hate it and always, always, when my friends would ask why I prefer Apple over cheaper and better speced devices, my answer was "Because Apple is the only phone that doesn't compete on screen size". This throws that out the window. Great.
  • pxlpshr 12y ago
    A .7" increase in size throws everything out the window? Just don't get the iPhone 6 Plus.
    • Swizec 12y ago
      It does and I won't get a new iphone before 7 or 6s comes out anyway because I don't need a new phone right now. But I feel betrayed. They were the only phones out there that understood a phone isn't magically better just because it's got higher numbers. Now it seems they aren't anymore. At this rate next time I buy a phone I'm gonna have to get one of those stupid watches and forego a phone completely.
      • andy_ppp 12y ago
        I think you misunderstand the meaning of the word betrayed.
        • Swizec 12y ago
          From the dictionary[1]: "to disappoint the hopes or expectations of". Seems spot on. [1] http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/betray?s=t http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/betray?s=t
      • CamperBob2 12y ago
        It comes down to the greatest good for the greatest number of users. The fact is that most of us feel that the current iPhone is too small, especially with the galactically-stupid layout techniques used by both mobile and desktop web sites these days. Apple stuck to their guns as long as they could, but it was costing them market share.
• santaclaus 12y ago
  I wonder if jeans manufacturers will release pants with extra deep pockets and market them as iPhone 6 Plus compatible?
  • tylermac1 12y ago
    I'd like to see Galaxy Note compatible jeans.
    • w1ntermute 12y ago
      Don't you know, nobody makes accessories for Android phones.
    • Naga 12y ago
      I've actually never had a problem fitting my Note 2 in any pair of pants I own. And I wear skinny-ish pants.
    • bane 12y ago
      I either always buy big pants or something because my note fits in all of my pants pockets (jeans, shorts, suits, etc.) fine.
    • mgcross 12y ago
      The 6 plus is actually largerhttp://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Apple-iPhone-6,Samsung-GALAXY-Note,Apple-iPhone-6-Plus/phones/8346,6116,8908 http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Apple-iPhone-6,Sams...
      • gareim 12y ago
        Should probably compare the Note 4, but yeah, the iPhone 6 Plus is definitely taller. Note 4 sliiiiiiiightly wider.
  • kawsper 12y ago
    Only people with extra deep pockets will be able to buy it.
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• andyfleming 12y ago
  It's a bummer they are keeping the base model at 16GB. It's pretty obvious that it's an intentional move to force people up to the 64/128GB models.
  • Zikes 12y ago
    Especially surprising given how much they're pushing it to replace camcorders as well as DSLRs. I mean, how much raw HD video fits in just 16GB? Or even what's left over after half of that 16GB is filled with various apps and music? I miss when phones used to have easily accessible microSD slots.
    • scep12 12y ago
      "Even with only 16gb of storage, you can upload all your personal photos and videos to iCloud and never miss a shot again"
      • Zikes 12y ago
        Well, the next big leak is going to be a lot more cinematic.
    • l33tbro 12y ago
      ".... as well as DSLRs". Dammit, better sell off those Zeiss master primes and get me some Apple glass ;)
      • Zikes 12y ago
        It's got "Focus Pixels" man! You'd be crazy not to!
        • l33tbro 12y ago
          Woah guy ... you mean to say focus can pixels now? Now I'm impressed.
    • p1esk 12y ago
• cryptoz 12y ago
  Biggest news for me: barometer! Biggest question: Can we access it to read raw atmospheric pressure? There seems to be no documented API.
  • dominotw 12y ago
    How is that going to be useful?
    • tonyhb 12y ago
      It makes GPS locking much quicker by optimising some calculations.
    • Fuzzwah 12y ago
      I'm in a very small niche of users, but I'm a skydiver and have an app on my GS3 which tracks freefall speed: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.platypii.baseline&hl=en https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.platypii.b... Having a barometer was a key feature I looked for in a phone.
      • base698 12y ago
        Also a skydiver, and looks like you jump at Elsinore judging from the pictures in your app. My wife and I are there occasionally. I hope the sampling of data is fast enough to use in skydiving. Maybe an integrated log book/flysight.
        • Fuzzwah 12y ago
          My poor wording has tricked you. I didn't create the app, I've just bought a copy of it. My home DZ is Arizona, but I occasionally get over to Perris. I'm a boring belly flier :)
    • Someone1234 12y ago
      It can be used as a basic altimeter. Which can help pinpoint your location better, they're meant to be accurate to within 10 feet vertically from a base point.
• bhartzer 12y ago
  Barometer is very cool addition. I'm sure they'll eventually have an API for it.
  • dominotw 12y ago
    What is it used for in the phone?
    • krallja 12y ago
      Relative elevation tracking.
    • tonyhb 12y ago
      It means instead of waiting for a GPS lock in 30 seconds it's under 10. The barometer makes calculating your position via GPS much quicker, as it has an additional piece of data to simplify some of the maths it does. Edit: here's a source which may confirm - http://pocketnow.com/android/google-confirms-barometer-intent-faster-gps-locks http://pocketnow.com/android/google-confirms-barometer-inten...
      • DigitalJack 12y ago
        Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. Barometers are only good for detecting relative altitude/elevation changes over short periods of time. Over longer periods of time (hours/days) the atmosphere pressure is going to change whether you change altitude or not. Over short periods, the barometer can give a relative change. Without a known starting point, it can't give you absolute altitude/elevation. It has nothing to do with getting a gps lock. I'd be pretty surprised if the phones didn't pull down the satellite constellation data over the network vs waiting on the nav message broadcast from the satellites.
        • liviu 12y ago
          I think the elevation changes over short periods of time are essentials for the fitness apps.
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• ascendantlogic 12y ago
  Only one gig of RAM and base storage still at 16 gigs really annoys me. I may end up with a Moto X and wait for the 6s.
  • downandout 12y ago
    While I will buy a 6 for development purposes, I too was disappointed to find out that RAM is staying at 1GB. It's nearly 2015. More RAM does affect battery life, but still...they could have struck a balance here with 2GB.
    • davidiach 12y ago
      For what do you need the additional 1GB of RAM on your iPhone?
      • pradn 12y ago
        So you can keep more apps in memory without having the OS put them to sleep.
      • tedunangst 12y ago
        So Safari stops running out of memory and crashing. (I assume that's at least part of the problem. It's much worse with 64-bit than it was with 32-bit.)
      • kalleboo 12y ago
        So I can keep 2 websites in RAM at the same time instead of it reloading when I switch between them. Apple fixing Safari's bad behavior and letting it sleep its state to flash would work too, but 6 iOS versions later it looks like they're incapable of that.
    • eridius 12y ago
      Exactly how much does it affect battery life? I wouldn't be at all surprised if the answer is "a lot". I'm sure engineers at Apple would love to be able to provide 2GB of RAM (after all, they're using this device too!), but the fact that they're not either means it is cost-prohibitive (unlikely) or has an unacceptable impact on battery.
• twodayslate 12y ago
  I was looking forward to that sapphire screen. Oh well.
  • encoderer 12y ago
    Everybody that pumped-up the $GTAT stock in anticipation of sapphire seemed to me to be forgetting that Apple is not ambitious with new technology. 3G, LTE, NFC, etc. To me, I couldn't understand why Apple would put themselves in a position where a small, young company like GTAT could cause delays in an iPhone release.
  • heyheyhey 12y ago
    Looks like it's the Apple Watch that has the sapphire screen?
    • rimantas 12y ago
      That's correct.
  • Amezarak 12y ago
    Why? From what I understand, sapphire is more brittle than Gorilla Glass (although supposedly scratches can contribute to the likelihood of cracks), so what I think for most people the common breakage case is quite possibly not any better. Additionally, sapphire is more reflective than glass which is problematic all in itself. Apple reserving sapphire screens for watches makes perfect sense to me.
    • dwg 12y ago
      If that is true, why does it make sense on the watch even?
      • Amezarak 12y ago
        Because watches are bound around your wrist, thus making them much less likely to be dropped (and they're much lighter if they are dropped) - scratching is the big concern with watches. I believe many (most?) high-end non-smart watches already use sapphire instead of glass for that reason.
• guybrushT 12y ago
  Truth be told, even though I switched from iOS to Android recently (and been quite happy), I have admired Apple when they stuck to their guns w.r.t screen size. It showed to me that they were being sensible about respecting the dimensions of our hands. The iPhone (hardware) just feels quite comfortable to use and hold. Also, iPhone 4's design was excellent - I kinda got used to the distinctive feel of an Apple phone in my hand (with its cuboid geometry). iPhone 6's exterior just looks a bit strange (now we are going back to the original iPhone?) - it feels off in a way that I can't fully explain. But who knows, maybe it would be just fantastic to hold and use. [Like how the quick reports coming out from people who have held the Watch saying that it feel really nice]
  • delecti 12y ago
    Having used a range of phone sizes, the iPhones have always felt quite small to me. And while I'm a happy Nexus 5 user, I admit that it's ever so slightly too big. I really think 4.7" is the magic number for most peoples' hands (based on my experience trying out a Moto X), and adding 5.5" gets them a chance at the "phablet" crowd.
• jcromartie 12y ago
  Wake me if Apple ever return to the kind of innovation they brought with things like the original Macintosh, the iMac, Mac OS X, the iPod, or the original iPhone.
  • allegory 12y ago
    Macintosh = nicked from Xerox, boxed up. iMac = TRS-80 Mac OS X = FreeBSD munged with NeXT. The iPod = Diamond Rio Original iPhone = every damn windows mobile phone for at least 5 years before hand. The innovation was the style, the marketing and the packaging, nothing more.
• allegory 12y ago
  Firstly, this is not a troll. I really shouldn't have to start with that comment. I'm actually rather more excited about the Lumia 730. Value for money, not status is a killer feature for me.
  • mikeash 12y ago
    If you have to say that it's not a troll, it's probably a troll.
    • allegory 12y ago
      No it's not. There's really not much difference in spec between the two devices other than the status points obtained. And it's about 1/4-1/3 of the cost. Edit - plus my experience: Possibly going aganist the grain here, but I've owned TOO MANY Apple products not to explode here. I'm sitting on a 2011 MacBook Pro with a big dark spot on the screen where it is starting to fail for example. Bring on the ThinkPad X230 that is replacing it next week. Having used iOS extensively and written software for it, I find very few things more objectional, inflexible and tiresome. The OS is totally frustrating and just about everything hangs or crashes randomly (Safari being a fine example of horrible as it won't even render half a PNG image, leaving blank 60% at the bottom). Oh plus deleting every damn email in my exchange box on several occasions. Apple have a policy of silence and mysticism on all issues as well. The build quality of Apple's mobile products is awful. Design over substance, completely irrepairable, poor engineering and materials decisions. Nickel alloys used everywhere resulting in dermatitis, glass on the edges (impact points) and terribly difficult to use connectors (lightning). As for repair, glue and proprietary screws. Enough said. I can still repair a Nokia with a T4 Torx and no heat gun. The app ecosystem is horrible as well, consisting of vast swathes of mainly pay-per-addon traps for children, popularist crap and hyped overpriced junk. Then there's the opaqueness of the devices. For example, it took me 5 fucking hours to get my wife's bookmarks off her iPad resulting in me having to write a script to convert the SQLite database (which was a bastard to get off the thing) into an HTML file so she could import it into Chrome. And why can't I just download an mp3 file onto the device like I can with Android, Windows Phone, Windows, MacOS etc. So no; just experience.
• nostromo 12y ago
  It looks... Samsungy.
  • kissickas 12y ago
    Probably the rounded corners.
  • delecti 12y ago
    It looks like a bumper car. I'm a pretty die-hard Android fan, but the iPhone 4 through 5s were damn attractive pieces of hardware.
• gokhan 12y ago
  Whoa. On Firefox, that page does not look as polished as previous iPhone product pages. Gray image/animation backgrounds, for example. Interesting.
  • sirkneeland 12y ago
    It also looks off for Chrome (at least on Windows)
  • bzbarsky 12y ago
    It's pretty common for Apple to ship website updates around their launches that they've obviously only tested in a WebKit-based browser....
• bratsche 12y ago
  The protruding camera kind of bothers me, probably much more than it really should. But I feel like Apple's obsession with thinness may have gone too far if they need to protrude the camera like this.
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  • dwg 12y ago
    I wonder if this has anything to do with the gyroscope for image stabilization.
    • bratsche 12y ago
      Isn't that only in the 6+ version though? The camera is sticking out in both phones.
      • dwg 12y ago
        Didn't catch that stabilization is only available on plus. That's a bummer! Anyway, they may have decided to make it protrude on the 6 in order to match the 6 plus, which has the constraint. Just guessing..
  • nbush 12y ago
    The strangest part is that they don't even show the bulge in the product renders on the site: http://images.apple.com/iphone-6/overview/images/design_details_right_large.jpg http://images.apple.com/iphone-6/overview/images/design_deta... It's as if they're in denial.
    • bratsche 12y ago
      Oh wow, good catch. I didn't even see that.
• polym 12y ago
  The iPhone 6 Plus is just too big - as big as my hand. I bet, you can't sit down with this monster in your pocket. Stop making it wider and higher!
  • k-mcgrady 12y ago
    Look at how popular the Galaxy Note is. I don't understand those people, but they love it. And I think the iPhone 6 Plus is actually smaller than a Note.
    • CocaKoala 12y ago
      A friend of mine has the Note, I think; he loves it. It fits his hand perfectly. For reference, I literally cannot use his phone one-handed; I can't hold it and reach all the way across the screen with my thumb. I'm a small dude and he's a big one, and some devices are just designed for the opposite extreme.
      • k-mcgrady 12y ago
        I can't reach the top of the iPhone 5s screen one handed. I've given up on one-handed use. I have a friend with the note who actually uses a stylus with it. I don't get it but he really loves that phone.
        • CocaKoala 12y ago
          I'm actually still on an iPhone 4; maybe I'll try my wife's 5 and see if I can reach the top.
    • LaikaF 12y ago
      My father was an early adopter of the Galaxy Note. It really comes down to how big you can make words on the screen for him. Old people don't like having to squint at their phones.
    • polym 12y ago
      Wow, according to Wiki the iPhone 6 Plus is even taller! The Galaxy Note Edge is slimmer, though. I wouldn't buy it, can't carry it around - forget cycling. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_Note_Edge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_Note_Edge 151.3 mm (5.96 in) H 82.4 mm (3.24 in) W 8.3 mm (0.33 in) D vs iPhone 6 Plus 158.1 mm (6.22 in) H 77.8 mm (3.06 in) W 7.1 mm (0.28 in) D
• eisa01 12y ago
  Too bad there is no longer a high end 4" model. The iPhone 5S won't support Apple Pay since it doesn't have NFC, and it is no longer available in 64 GB. I would have thought that Apple understood they have customers that actually prefer the 4" size, or else they wouldn't have had any sales the last years. Let's hope for a iPhone 6S mini next year.
  • currysausage 12y ago
    > Let's hope for a iPhone 6S mini next year. Or an iPhone 6S Minus. Am I the only one who thinks "iPhone Plus" sounds oddly un-Apple-ish?
    • Aloha 12y ago
      Macintosh Plus.
      • ajross 12y ago
        Not the archetype: Apple ][+
    • redidas 12y ago
      No you are not. In fact Gruber's podcast yesterday talked about that very thing. They thought it might be called iPhone "pro" because anything else meaning bigger just doesn't sound like Apple. Overall this whole event was odd. It was more Apple reacting to trends rather than setting them...
      • delecti 12y ago
        Having a "pro" means the other option is "un-pro". Apple knows their iPhones are (to some extent) status symbols, and just like the 5c failed because it was perceived as the "cheap model", they had to come up with a value neutral modifier for "big". And given both 6 models are larger than all previous ones, they could hardly have the 6 and 6 mini.
    • pcl 12y ago
• Thimothy 12y ago
  I might get downvoted by fans here, but the most commented change for the new iPhone being the addition of a barometer shows a certain decline in the innovation department from Apple, or at least, lack of ability to surprise.
  • jarjoura 12y ago
    The iPadification of Phone apps is quite a feature too.
• Marazan 12y ago
  Gruber is going to have to set aside about a month's worth of updates to get through all the claim chowder from the people who gave the Galaxy Note shit for being 'hilariously' or 'ridiculously' or 'stupidly' large.
  • Marazan 12y ago
    Found the one I was thinking of in particular: http://thetechblock.com/samsungs-galaxy-note-changed-my-life/ http://thetechblock.com/samsungs-galaxy-note-changed-my-life... and linked to by Gruber http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/02/15/techblock-galaxy-note http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/02/15/techblock-galaxy...
    • skc 12y ago
      Well he could easily retort that the if you're going to make a phone this big, do it right, make it as light as possible. I assume the iPhone 6 is lighter than the equivalently sized Galaxy phones.
      • Marazan 12y ago
        By 2 grams! Go Apple!
        • blinkingled 12y ago
          Hey if it's heavier by 2 grams - it's premium and substantial feeling than the 'cheap' feeling Note!
  • xemoka 12y ago
    Except, it is, and this doesn't invalidate that fact. But for some reason there's a vast market of people who really like hilariously large screens. Unfortunately, I'm not one of them... I'll keep hanging onto my 4s thanks.
  • archagon 12y ago
    Gruber talks about this in the latest episode of the Talk Show. He admits that trends change, and what looked stupid a few years ago might not look so stupid anymore now that everyone is doing it. Also, phones are no longer used for actual phone calls so much, making the "brick next to your ear" factor less meaningful. I wish people didn't feel the need to "gotcha" Gruber at every possible opportunity. He's generally a very reasonable fellow, if aggressive at times.
• paradite 12y ago
  I am confused why Standby time for iPhone 6 and iPhone 5S are exactly the same(250 hours) when other comparisons like Talk time are significantly different(14 hours vs 10 hours)?
  • dwg 12y ago
    Could be that they made the hardware more efficient at consuming less energy during talk time, time but those same efficiency gains don't apply to energy usage during stand-by. This can often be the case when extra chip capabilities are added for a specific use.
• bane 12y ago
  I'm sure this will be downvoted into oblivion but I have Karma to burn preaching some truth. Between big phones (even the small iphone 6 is bigger!), the watch and NFC, Apple is clearly repositioning themselves as fast followers and letting Samsung et. al. foot the bill on R&D and market building. They're probably hoping they can provide higher quality (and more profitable) offerings in markets that somebody else has bled to create. I think this started to happen once they lost market dominance, and I think it's a really smart move on Apple's part. Samsung has shifted their focus on clumsily trying to innovate and get things to market first, and it's worth it for Apple to sit back, see what works and doesn't work and then just execute the hell out of what they intend to do. After years of hearing that the "current" iphone size is just perfect for the size of the human hand, neither of the current phones are that size. It's unbelievably annoying to listen to all the bizarre justification that goes on about Apple products, and I'm sure this size shift and abandonment of their previous sizes completely will get some kind of fence moving justification. [1] But I applaud Apple for just doing it and catching up with where the market has moved to. I've been in too many phone stores where I've heard people think the iPhones for sale are the old crappy smartphones from last generation and run over to where the larger phones are. It took a couple years, but Apple finally listened and the new phones look really nice. 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY4c2mh15Yk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY4c2mh15Yk edit I'm also reminded that the "c" model has been dropped. Sales figures didn't seem to be very high and I think the experiment has been deemed a failure. It wasn't what anybody really expected or wanted anyways but it was a curious and weird diversion. edit2 Here's gruber's take on the phone sizes the notorious Apple shill finally admits that it's time for bigger phones, but hasn't come up with the justification framework yet http://daringfireball.net/2014/09/prelude http://daringfireball.net/2014/09/prelude Some people want to buy them. It doesn’t matter why. For some it might be games. For others, being able to carry one device as a hybrid phone/tablet. For others, it might be about reading — making the iPhone more usable as an e-book reader. It doesn’t matter what the reasons are. The simple fact is that many people want huge phones — not just bigger ones, but huge ones — and they’re willing to pay a premium for them. Apple has played a one-size-fits-all game for seven iPhone generations. The market shows that one size does not fit all. I don’t know that they should have done it sooner, but it certainly feels like the time for multiple iPhone sizes has come. Let's also see what he has to say about this I’ll be very disappointed if this is just a device that shows a fake analog watch face, displays notifications from a tethered iPhone, and tracks your footsteps and heart rate. Because there it is on record. Gruber's already disappointed in the iWatch. I'm not. I'm glad it's out there, improving the market for all consumers, iWatch wearers or not. There's some nice ideas and design there.
• blueking 12y ago
  Wouldn't buy the iwatch or the new iphone, and I have been a Apple longterm user. Like the motorola 360 better, round design is a huge win and again Apple are last to market with a inferior product. The iphone's main feature for me was that it was more secure than android phones. But after the celebrity icloud hacks and the iphone backdoors that were revealed (then denied by Apple) I have had enough - Apple products have lost premium status in my eyes. Other than that my nexus 5 had all these features at $350 unlocked last year - including NFC payments. It also doesn't help that my $3000 retina macbook dies after a few months of use bc of bad ram, and now I need a new logic board. Planned obsolescence is a huge problem with Apple. They were caught out slowing the older versions of their phones right before the release of the new ones by analyzing google search data, and this unserviceable expendable model they are pushing just won't fly anymore. Don't tell me laptops without dimm sockets and exchangeable batteries are a necessary design compromise for slimmer devices. Thats total bullshit. My iphone 4s ground to a halt right at the release of the iphone 5. It had become comically slow - a product I would never have bought if it had been presented that way in store. Apple is the worlds largest computer manufacturer and they don't need to pull underhanded tricks like that. It says a lot to me that Apple joined PRISM one year after SJ passed. Right there on the NSA slides. https://pentest.com/ios_backdoors_attack_points_surveillance_mechanisms.pdf https://pentest.com/ios_backdoors_attack_points_surveillance... http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/27/upshot/hold-the-phone-a-big-data-conundrum.html http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/27/upshot/hold-the-phone-a-bi... Yes the article from the Times has a different opinion, but I wanted to share the slides mostly, as I cant find the original paper by Laura Trucco. His theory is that its the ios release that slows the phone, no denying that they are slowed. But leaving the phone functional should be the first priority. Any developer who tested ios 6 on the iphone 4 and approved it should have been shot.
  • eridius 12y ago
    Wow, this comment is really full of FUD. Planned obsolescence? iPhone backdoors? You need to reevaluate where you get your Apple-related news from. > They were caught out slowing the older versions of their phones right before the release of the new ones by analyzing google search data Where did you even get this from? That's 100% made-up. But it's also oddly specific in a way I've never heard before. What site is pushing this particular brand of garbage?
• instapitch 12y ago
  iPhone6 and iPhone 6 Plus look good, iWatch - not so much.
• jpmcglone 12y ago
  Does anyone know how the new devices will handle old apps that were building specifically to the 320pt width? When we got the 4" screen, the old apps were put into black boxes until you updated the info.plist. Any news on if this will be a thing again? Thanks.
  • eslaught 12y ago
    From the keynote, when they demoed the un-updated CNN app, it looks like they're just scaling the app (no black bars) and depending on the resolution of the screen to avoid the blur being obvious.
    • jpmcglone 12y ago
      So I imagine it's possible to scale up the app so that the height takes up the full length of the new height, but an app I am working on now was coded to be specifically 320pt wide, so I'm worried about how they handle this. I'm hoping that it keeps the aspect ratio, even if that means black bars for now, because otherwise there will be undefined side-effects in many apps.
      • eslaught 12y ago
        Admittedly, I don't know how they've actually implemented this, but I would imagine that it would be possible for them to render the app on a 320pt "virtual screen", then take that and stretch it appropriately for the actual screen. Otherwise I don't see how they'd maintain true backwards compatibility.
        • jpmcglone 12y ago
          Yea agreed. I'm keeping my fingers crossed :P
• rlu 12y ago
  I like the look of my iPhone 5s much better. This iPhone 6 thing looks like a Galaxy. The throwback to iPhone 1 is interesting but count me out. Not liking the design at all The protruding camera is also really weird. I wonder if Jobs would have signed off on that... Who knows though. Maybe once I hold one personally I'll end up liking it more than the 5s. But I would be surprised :)
  • pivo 12y ago
    Most people put Apple phones in cases anyway, so does it really even matter much how the bare phone looks? It doesn't to me. The protruding camera lens housing will probably be flush with a case.
    • jsmeaton 12y ago
      I may be in the minority, but I don't use a case. Kind of defeats the purpose of a nice looking, slim phone.
  • inovator 12y ago
    Completely agree! The antenna band on the back of the phone looks so hideous to me; that really is the deal killer for me.
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• programminggeek 12y ago
  I think when Apple starts to EOL the iPhone 5 and 5s, so probably in 1-2 years, there will be the iPhone 6M, which will be the iPhone 5s size with iPhone 6 internals.
• cseelus 12y ago
  No current gen iPhone that fits in my pocket and that I can comfortably use with one hand? Anyone remember this Apple ad? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY4c2mh15Yk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY4c2mh15Yk
  • baddox 12y ago
    Nope. It looks like I'll be at an impasse when I next want to upgrade my phone. It seems like no one is making high end <= 4" phones any more.
    • matt4711 12y ago
      besides the sony z1 compact which is actually quite nice. there will probably be a z2 compact soon.
      • gareim 12y ago
        Oh man, there's a Z3 Compact (skipped Z2) and it looks fantastic! Look into it!!
• arielweisberg 12y ago
  Really disappointed that the iPod touch didn't get any love. I get that it isn't a priority, but I do love the product. I run a flip phone and the battery lasts a week and change. So does my iPod. Friends with iPhones are constantly pulling out their phones with dead batteries. The thinness obsession has always irked me. Apparently it's what the market wants, but I wish they would use the space and weight savings for more battery. Were it not for battery life I would purchase an iPhone and just run it with T-Mobile prepaid and no data.
• jobu 12y ago
  Have they put the full price list out yet? I can only find the price with a 2-year contract.
• iM8t 12y ago
  Am I the only one that feels a bit dissapointed about the design of this device? Up till now all of the new iphones seemed to get nicer and nicer design-wise, but this seems like a big step back to iphone 3. Perhaps it's just my taste.
• l33tbro 12y ago
  So does anyone actually like the IPhone 6"?