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Apple – Live – September 2014 Special Event

237 points by Geee 12y ago

autism_hurts 12y ago
Honestly very excited about this... very excited.
antr 12y ago
Call me dull, but I'm looking forward for a new iMac 27". Apple recently renewed the 21" version, but I'm just waiting for a new 27" to come out.
- bruceboughton 12y ago
  You're at the wrong event then.
  - antr 12y ago
    I still have hope :)
- autism_hurts 12y ago
  Soon, but not this event!
- joezydeco 12y ago
  I'm secretly hoping for some extra-wacky 30th anniversary Macintosh, kind of like what Jony Ive created for the 20th. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twentieth_Anniversary_Macintosh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twentieth_Anniversary_Macintosh It's a little sad that the Mac hit 30 this year and all it got was a special web page to commemorate the event.
- WildUtah 12y ago
  The new iMac 27" should have a nice 5120x2880 screen. That would sure justify the hype. But I bet we'll just get a 4.7" iPhone, Apple catching up to where Samsung has been for three long years now with a medium sized phone instead of a tiny chiclet. (I love the chiclet, but bigger would be better.) And we'll probably get another lousy "smart" watch that needs charging every day and doesn't do anything you can't do by pulling out your phone for a second. Maybe fanatic runners like Apple's CEO will find it almost as useful as a fuelband or fitbit. Note: Downvoters really hate the idea of a retina iMac.
  - MCRed 12y ago
    Do you think Apple's been desperately saying to itself for the past 3 years "gee, I wish we had the technology to make a larger phone!"
    - WildUtah 12y ago
      Everybody knows the future of technology is bigger everything. Just look at the giant iPadds on Star Trek.
rebel 12y ago
This presentation looks like it's going to be on another level.. even for Apple standards.
readerrrr 12y ago
How can I watch this on windows if I don't have Quicktime installed?
- aroch 12y ago
  Use VLC, give it the livestream URI (inspect element on the QT inset).
- pseudometa 12y ago
  Use any iOS device if you have one. Or use one of the streams on Twitch... http://www.twitch.tv/search?query=apple+event#stq=apple http://www.twitch.tv/search?query=apple+event#stq=apple event&stp=1
  - sarciszewski 12y ago
    > Use any iOS device if you have one. Sorry, I'm not rich. :P
- Geee 12y ago
  I'm not sure, but you can try these (should work on Android): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Live_Streaming#Supported_players_and_servers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Live_Streaming#Supported_p... Here's a test stream http://devimages.apple.com/iphone/samples/bipbopgear1.html http://devimages.apple.com/iphone/samples/bipbopgear1.html
- el_duderino 12y ago
  ..And all the twitch streams have been shut down.
- el_duderino 12y ago
  Even better, use VLC: http://9to5mac.com/community/how-to-stream-apples-sept-9-iphone-6iwatch-event-on-windows/ http://9to5mac.com/community/how-to-stream-apples-sept-9-iph...
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aroch 12y ago
Apple.com/ has been redirecting to apple.com/live for about ~20 hours now. They're very confident about what's about to be presented.
- drewnick 12y ago
  They've been using a '301 MOVED PERMANENTLY' redirect, meaning they are extra serious about this.
  - songgao 12y ago
    Correct me if I'm wrong. IIRC, there isn't a status code for temporary moved *with a timeout. If you use 307, it means the browser will always still check the original apple.com first, then get redirected to apple.com/live. Using 301 would make browser go to apple.com/live directly which improves response time. When the event is finished, they can do a 301 on apple.com/live back to apple.com to overwrite the rule.
    - bennesvig 12y ago
      302 is a temporary redirect.
    - hlmencken 12y ago
      302
  - aroch 12y ago
    Or lazy about their redirecting. 301's are supported by pretty much every browser, indexer and wget/curl whereas 302's sometimes fail on those. Its also pretty easy to reissue another 301 from /live to com/
    - Someone1234 12y ago
      True. For any other site it would matter, as doing so hurts your search ranking, but I seriously doubt Apple.com worries about search rank.
moeedm 12y ago
Wow, they're going all out for this one. Lots of new things they haven't done in past keynotes. Can't wait to see what they show off.
- autism_hurts 12y ago
  Gruber has a spot on wrap-up: http://daringfireball.net/2014/09/prelude http://daringfireball.net/2014/09/prelude
  - brk 12y ago
    How can it be a wrap-up, or judged to be spot-on in advance of any actual confirmed facts? I'll admit he's probably mostly prescient, but we won't know for another hour or two.
    - autism_hurts 12y ago
      We'll see after the event.
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  - post_break 12y ago
    Can you taste the distain in his words? Grumlbing like an old man saying "GET OFF MY LAWN" It's kind of odd, even for him.
htaunay 12y ago
[Off-Topic]: The 12:44 pic might as well be a Starbucks ad (8:44 PDT)
droopyEyelids 12y ago
Any chance we can keep all Apple discussion on HN contained in this thread?
- 3rd3 12y ago
  Unlikely. There will probably be 300+ comments on the iWatch alone.
- billharrison 12y ago
  Sadly, no.
- canadaj 12y ago
  Probably not. People are going to post the links to Apple's announcements which makes sense. I don't want to read the discussion of the iWatch along with everything else in one thread.
- WildUtah 12y ago
  Half the stories on the front page will be Apple stories within the next two hours. The ranking algorithm will drop them off soon enough. Maybe the time coefficient should be stronger for days like today, though.
  - k-mcgrady 12y ago
    >> "Maybe the time coefficient should be stronger for days like today, though." I disagree. The reason the front page becomes full of Apple is because Apple launches all their stuff at once. There are only maybe 2 or 3 times a year that Apple releases new stuff. The discussions of these things are important. They shouldn't be penalised for happening at the same time.
wiredfool 12y ago
Wall Street is going to be disappointed if there's no Singularity.
AlexeyBrin 12y ago
Can't wait to see the new iPhone 6, time to change my old iPhone 4 :)
Aardwolf 12y ago
This website says that live streaming requires OS X or iOS. Why would they only allow already-customers to watch their presentation? Locking out non-customers seems not the best way to get some.
- jonursenbach 12y ago
  This is nothing new. Their streamed events have always been locked down to Safari on OS X and iOS.
- AlexeyBrin 12y ago
  Check the comments, someone already solved this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8290769 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8290769
  - Aardwolf 12y ago
    Well, still, for a company that tries to make everything "simple and beautiful", why don't their video streams just work everywhere out of the box? That is the question.
    - seren 12y ago
      Everything is simple and beautiful if you are already embedded in the ecosystem/walled garden. If you are an outsider, it is another matter... Isn't it more or less the goal of every tech giant ?
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    - MCRed 12y ago
      What Apple's live streaming does, is in a CDN friendly way dynamically adjust the bandwidth going to a stream consumer. It's a great invention and there's no reason other people haven't adopted it. It's not being proprietary, it's simply being smart, because it's not trivial to do this kind of broadcast on the internet. Here's the reality of video, and this goes for a lot of things that Apple makes "simple and beautiful". They fundamentally aren't. Video is a fundamentally difficult mess, a PITA, and the only way to have it work really smoothly is to have enough control over the entire stack to ensure that things work they way they are supposed to... and even then it doesn't always work. People adopting MP4 as a standard has gone a long way towards making things "just work" generally, but it's not sufficient by itself for a quality live stream. I remember trying to watch a previous live stream from south america and the difficulties I had, even though I was using Apple devices and software the whole way. Simple and Beautiful is a contradiction from "everywhere out of the box". Those are two opposite goals. This is an important thing to understand about software broadly, but with video it borders on impossible.
lordbusiness 12y ago
Can anyone recall if iOS goes GM / public release on the day of this? Or do we have to wait a week?
- mathieuh 12y ago
  iOS major versions are usually released soon after the actual phone is released, so still another week or two to wait.
  - lordbusiness 12y ago
    That rings a bell - thank you. :-)
- WildUtah 12y ago
  Historically, the new iPhone becomes available on Friday a week and a half after the event and the new iOS is released for older phones at the same time.
- k-mcgrady 12y ago
  It always goes GM immediately but only dev program members can get it. I think for the public the update has varied between phone launch day and a few days after the event.
stasy 12y ago
The timer doesn't display for me. Is this happening with anyone else?
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- autism_hurts 12y ago
  Works for me, a normal user. CLOSED:WONTFIX
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    - JonLim 12y ago
      Windows user here on Chrome, worked fine. But I'm really just using it as a countdown timer before I start up the VLC stream.
- mbrubeck 12y ago
  I can't reproduce this in either Chrome or Firefox. All of the requests I see are to the http://www.apple.com http://www.apple.com origin. I also can't find any hard-coded https://www.apple.com https://www.apple.com URLs in the HTML+JS sources. Maybe they fixed it already, or maybe you have a browser extension that's modifying the requests on your end.
  - Someone1234 12y ago
    Turns out to be HTTPS Everywhere (EFF's extension) doing it. My bad.
derengel 12y ago
Who wants to see the mac mini revived? ;)
- jerhinesmith 12y ago
  Me! I've been wanting to replace my Windows desktop machine for a year now, but I've been waiting for a refresh on the mac mini.
  - dublinben 12y ago
    Why not get one of the many other mITX computers, or even an Intel NUC?
    - jerhinesmith 12y ago
      I use a macbook air all day for work. I built my windows box when I was doing .NET development, but I've long since switched to ruby -- ideally I'd like to have both running the same OS (which I guess could be a flavor of linux, but I'm too lazy for that).
      - dragonbonheur 12y ago
        Why don't you get a Hackintosh? Even old Acer Aspire netbooks can run OSX and there are plenty of tutorials online.
      - derengel 12y ago
        Do you use to the mba without an external monitor and keyboard? I can seem to adjust to developing all day on laptop, thus wanting a mac mini upgrade.
        jerhinesmith 12y ago
        Well, I share my desktop machine with my girlfriend. I could easily get by with a clean desk at home and just the MBA -- that said, it's not completely up to me. :)
hobarrera 12y ago
"Our live broadcast begins at 10 a.m. PDT." Considering that the entire world uses GMT, and that only US citizens use PDT, they could have bothered to use GMT. Or better still, they could have detected your location/system time and just put a countdown or your own local time.
- xienze 12y ago
  Or you could just Google the time in your timezone yourself.
- Smirnoff 12y ago
  Uhmm, did you not notice that HUGE countdown timer? That pretty much covers entire world. And, no, whole world doesn't use GMT (talk to Indians and Chinese about what time they use). Also, entire US doesn't use PDT time. You know, some people live on east coast.
  - discardorama 12y ago
    Indians, in particular, make it even more interesting with the extra half-hour offset. :-D
  - hobarrera 12y ago
    > Uhmm, did you not notice that HUGE countdown timer? That pretty much covers entire world. It want's there when I visited. :-( > And, no, whole world doesn't use GMT (talk to Indians and Chinese about what time they use). Also, entire US doesn't use PDT time. You know, some people live on east coast. But they must most certainly know their GMT offset, since it's the worldwide reference.
- k-mcgrady 12y ago
  The screen is filled with a huge countdown. You can't add the countdown to your current time and get the answer? If someone is holding an event I would expect them to announce the start in local time - the people that need to know the time the most are the ones that are going to be there, why make it more difficult for them?
RexRollman 12y ago
I'm getting older, so maybe my desires don't match up with the majority of tech people's anymore, but does anyone really want an iWatch (or whatever it ends up being called)? I am just not sold on the usefulness of such a thing.
- epmatsw 12y ago
  I too am skeptical, but I also felt the same way before the iPad announcement. So I will wait and see.
- xienze 12y ago
  It's not just you. I don't get the whole smartwatch thing either. For $400 (or whatever it ends up costing), I can just pull my phone out of my pocket.
  - seanflyon 12y ago
    They have announced a price of $349
- MCRed 12y ago
  I didn't see the point of the iPhone or the iPad before they announced them. I haven't worn a watch for 20 years... but if they do announce a watch (I expect it will be a wearable more than a watch) I bet I will buy it. Because I don't think they'd make it if it weren't worth making. Apple has never tried to create a new category when they didn't have something substantial to offer.
  - maaku 12y ago
    My goodness you have a short memory. http://www.businessinsider.com/10-old-apple-products-that-totally-failed-2013-11?op=1 http://www.businessinsider.com/10-old-apple-products-that-to...
    - r00fus 12y ago
      Any newer entries? Post-iPhone, Apple (i.e., not Apple Computer) has been a very focused company. There was an interesting presentation that Tim Cook gave where he said that every product Apple currently sold being was on a single table in front of him at the presentation - can't find the link now.
moeedm 12y ago
Guess: The building outside is actually a stage where Dre will perform.
- canadaj 12y ago
  Announcing Apple Records and iLabel. They will also announce their first album to be Detox.
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jl6 12y ago
iBeats smart headphones with voice-only UI. "Wish we could say more".
gramasaurous 12y ago
The video started for me a few minutes ago, anyone else notice that there seems to be two songs playing in the background at once?
- jvreeland 12y ago
  Came here to ask if anyone else had that problem. The combination is really strange.
  - gramasaurous 12y ago
    Yeah, it's quite bothersome. I've muted it until the show starts. Interestingly though, they seem to be playing a Tycho album in the background.
- readerrrr 12y ago
  On the official stream? http://www.apple.com/live/2014-sept-event/ http://www.apple.com/live/2014-sept-event/
  - gramasaurous 12y ago
    Yup, seems a few people hear it as well.
- PedroCandeias 12y ago
  Same here. It's very annoying.
- sudhirj 12y ago
  I'm guessing that the mics are picking up the hall music, and some technician had instructions to play background music on the web feed.
  - gramasaurous 12y ago
    Sounds right, I just heard a voice over the PA system.
hlmencken 12y ago
seventeen songs at once are playing
subpixel 12y ago
I can't believe I'm actually tuning in to watch this.
- hlmencken 12y ago
  so silly, could really make or break my opinion of apple's future
hlmencken 12y ago
why am i getting bars
e0m 12y ago
Anyone else seeing the TV Truck schedule instead of the keynote right now?
- tehwebguy 12y ago
  Yeah, someone is about to be in trouble Edit: Now getting "Access Denied" on http://www.apple.com/live http://www.apple.com/live
- jvreeland 12y ago
  Yes, No idea why.
- aianus 12y ago
  I am. Music is still playing in the background.
- carbocation 12y ago
  The Twitter feed at the bottom says "It's showtime" but I'm just seeing the color bars and truck schedule, too.
  - hlmencken 12y ago
    press pause and then live
    - aianus 12y ago
      You don't have permission to access "http://www.apple.com/live/2014-sept-event/" http://www.apple.com/live/2014-sept-event/" on this server.
    - jlogsdon 12y ago
      Now I hear live translation along side the speaker. Awesome.
- hoistor 12y ago
  Yes. :/
cylinder 12y ago
Restricting this to Safari only? Fuck you Apple. I'm on a god damned Macbook.
- OedipusRex 12y ago
  I hope this isn't a sign of things to come, they really seem to be clamping down on third-party competitors on their platforms.
  - evinugur 12y ago
    I'm not even sure what the strategical advantage of limiting the stream in the first place. People who can't access it still want information about Apple, and often resort to 3rd party blogs, or someone else streaming the stream. I understand why apple has a closed door stance on technology, but limiting people from participating in a live event about Apple seems foolish and with no obvious benefit
    - thesimon 12y ago
      Reduce server load?
- derefr 12y ago
  It's not Safari-only, it's just a Quicktime RTMP stream, like all their streams have always been. You should be able to watch it in any browser with a Quicktime plugin.
  - auxbuss 12y ago
    Failed for me on Firefox with a QuickTime plug-in. Fine on Safari.
- aroch 12y ago
  It uses Apple HTTP-LiveStream library which only Safari has support for (even though its opensource and unencumbered)... It has little to do with lock in
hoistor 12y ago
Aaand japanese translations ???
- jedmeyers 12y ago
  It sounds more like Chinese.
- discardorama 12y ago
  It sounds like Chinese to me.
DSingularity 12y ago
anyone else getting access denied?
pt 12y ago
Anyone hearing Chinese commentary?
- SeoxyS 12y ago
  Yeah I am. This stream is also super low quality… what is going on?
- wingerlang 12y ago
  Yup
nodesocket 12y ago
Solid black screen for me. Now, I have video, but why in gods name is there a Chinese translation? Wow, this is an utter failure. Now video is skipping around.
RayVR 12y ago
getting translators for...mandarin? korean? over the sound of tim cook...
discardorama 12y ago
Is anyone else getting Chinese crosstalk on the audio?
- jastanton 12y ago
  Yes it's incredibly distracting.
evertonfuller 12y ago
Well someone's going to get fired after this is over. What complete shambles so far.
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dzhiurgis 12y ago
I am hearing Tim Cook and some Chinese translation in the back. Go figure.
- mromanuk 12y ago
  Yes, super annoying!
grej 12y ago
OUCH! This is on a MacBook Pro running Safari: Access Denied You don't have permission to access "http://www.apple.com/" http://www.apple.com/" on this server. Reference #18.342f0660.1410282543.baf7bd
- dutchbrit 12y ago
  Server quirk.
  - stock_toaster 12y ago
    I think Akamai is dropping the ball today.
Quai 12y ago
"Sorry, your browser doesn’t support our live video stream." My browser supports live video just fine. It's -your- streaming software that lacks support for my browser. This illustrates why I never have, and never will own a Apple product.
- anon4 12y ago
  It's really ludicrous to be this picky about browsers when you're trying to reach new customers. I presume that Apple want to market to people who aren't Apple users already.
- Too 12y ago
  Really lame yeah, it doesn't work in any of firefox, chrome or IE.
sudhirj 12y ago
As far as live feeds go, this is one of the biggest screwups I've ever seen.
ulfw 12y ago
Wow they seriously messed this one up.
math0ne 12y ago
WOW their streaming choices here have made me loose another notch of respect for apple WTF, safari only? This is 2014 apple grow up.
- mitchty 12y ago
  This has always been the case. Either setup VLC so http live streaming (which is JUST a m3u playlist of mp4 files that get downloaded in succession) or install safari.
DSingularity 12y ago
now no audio?
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ryanSrich 12y ago
Can anyone see this right now? My video is seriously messed up. I have both VLC and Safari running the stream. It's freezing, jumping around from the iPhone 6 release back to the beginning video. The audio is a combination of glitches, Chinese, and skipping english.
rubicon33 12y ago
Yes apple, I want to buy your products! Why? Well, because you showed such engineering prowess with your streaming service, that I am sure you know what you're doing!
bringking 12y ago
whats up with the Chinese translations?
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fidotron 12y ago
Lessons so far: fragmentation is only bad when it's a criticism you can apply to other people. EDIT: Additionally, losing Steve Jobs really was as damaging as many feared then.
jdnier 12y ago
Apple's web site has a curated set of "live" posts giving details. http://www.apple.com/live/2014-sept-event/ http://www.apple.com/live/2014-sept-event/
- jdnier 12y ago
  These highlights (with pictures) are coming in real-time and save the bother of trying to watch video.
niix 12y ago
Get it together, jeesh.
IkmoIkmo 12y ago
First no video, then constant mixing between the TV Truck schedule, a video of the crowd, a video of the presentation screen showing the apple logo, a message showing apple copyright. Refreshed a few times, got 'access denied to server' page a few times. Then got video with Chinese translations talking over the presenter. Then it suddenly stopped, I pressed 'resume' to get the TV truck schedule again. On an iPad.
- bla2 12y ago
  Magical, with a touch of whimsy.
- matthijs_ 12y ago
  Same here, really annoying.
- tcfunk 12y ago
  It has been a very special event, indeed...
- Killswitch 12y ago
  Yup, I got sick of it and just closed out Safari. Back to work I guess.
  - ewoodrich 12y ago
    It seems to have improved by this point. No more ultra-loud dubbing or TV truck schedules.
    - Killswitch 12y ago
      But it freezes randomly, only thing I can do to fix it is reload the page, and 9 out of 10 times the page loads half-assed or there's no video at all.
      - ewoodrich 12y ago
        Yeah, I spoke too soon. My stream has completely dropped out now, I'm not sure what's going on.
malchow 12y ago
Does anyone know whose network is delivering the streams? Is it Akamai?
- mattdotc 12y ago
  One of the links posted to the stream is hosted on p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net and a little googling shows that Edgesuite is an Akamai product.
- malchow 12y ago
  Looks like iOS devices are being sent to a different stream. Viewing is perfect so far on my iPhone.
lifeisstillgood 12y ago
So the smart money is on: - iWatch with less features, possibly just tracks your every move and becomes part of quantified self - a new record label or Dre inspired mood - two new iPhones Possibly some or all put back till they are perfect. Is this a correct reading of what has to be a record 150 HN posts in five minutes flat?
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udzinari 12y ago
WTF per minute world record just got smashed to peaces
u124556 12y ago
For those not able to see the video, text updates [here](http://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/2fwmcl/apple_special_event_9914_live_updates/ http://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/2fwmcl/apple_special_...)
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clairity 12y ago
did anyone catch if apple devices can do peer-to-peer payments via apple pay? (e.g., one phone acting as a reader, à la square, another as payer)
acomjean 12y ago
I like working and having the text feed. I use: http://www.macrumors.com/ http://www.macrumors.com/ feed of the event. It autorefreshes which is nice.
evidencepi 12y ago
The live stream is a disaster. Anyone experiences a homepaga crash?
DigitalJack 12y ago
The new iPhone 6000 SUX. Big is back! Because Bigger is Better! (c.f. robocop)
- abruzzi 12y ago
  So I have to double click the home button to reach the top of the screen?!
- DigitalJack 12y ago
  Maybe you all are too young to remember the 6000 SUX.
shawn-butler 12y ago
The translation voiceover is pretty distracting. Not sure what Apple is trying to do.
rdvrk 12y ago
Little onions love to disco. With Chinese translations. And the TV Truck. Maybe they have an augmented reality product coming? Bringing back the rainbow logo? This is terrible.
discardorama 12y ago
Yay! The Chinese translation has stopped!! It took only 26 minutes to achieve this. I hope someone gets fired for these goofs. I expected better from Apple.
wfjackson 12y ago
I wonder if they started working on the bigger iPhones while airing this ad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY4c2mh15Yk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY4c2mh15Yk The new "reachability" feature is an interesting way to try to minimize the problem though, if a little cumbersome.
ewoodrich 12y ago
Direct stream for VLC: http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/14pijnadfpvkjnfvpijhabdfvpijbadfv09/m3u8/atv_mvp.m3u8 http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/14pijnadfpv...
wickedOne 12y ago
quite a disgrace for a tech company of this size: either a black screen, an access denied error, stalling stream with a chinese (?) voice over… but hey, the iphone 6 has rounded corners! B|
wilsonfiifi 12y ago
Streaming seems to be better from the iPad than the Mac... weird
saganus 12y ago
I'm getting "You don't have permission to access "http://www.apple.com/live/2014-sept-event/" http://www.apple.com/live/2014-sept-event/" on this server. Reference #18.520fd717.1410283069.16b78ac2" How come?
TheAlchemist 12y ago
Getting 'Access Denied' now
mslev 12y ago
I'm watching it using VLC. Media > Open Network Stream... > Paste this link: http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/14pijnadfpvkjnfvpijhabdfvpijbadfv09/m3u8/atv_mvp.m3u8 http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/14pijnadfpv...
- grecy 12y ago
  me too. It drops out every now and again.. I close VLC and re-do the whole thing and it comes good again.
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- thisisrobv 12y ago
  This works for me too!
- ripter 12y ago
  This works for me! Safari still shows an error.
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- dzhiurgis 12y ago
  Works just as bad. Actually managed to crash VLC somehow.
- tbomb 12y ago
  Ahh thank you! Now i can watch it on my laptop, and it doesn't cut out every 2 minutes
zvanness 12y ago
Right now i'm at: Access Denied You don't have permission to access "http://www.apple.com/live/2014-sept-event/" http://www.apple.com/live/2014-sept-event/" on this server. Reference #18.2d2f0660.1410283131.13b065e3
- carlosaguayo 12y ago
  Right now there's no even access to apple.com
icpmacdo 12y ago
I'm getting an access denied page trying to refresh the stream
sytelus 12y ago
Summary: 2 new iPhone models: iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus. iPhone 6 is 4.7", iPhone 6 Plus is 5.5". Power button on right side. A8 chip - 13% smaller chip, 25% faster CPU, 50% faster GPU, 50% more energy efficient than A7. Battery a little better on the iPhone 6; iPhone 6 Plus has amazing battery life. VoLTE (Voice over LTE) - make calls over LTE internet instead of using minutes. Camera is still 8MP... YouTube video stream is working: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxCbIjAg6mg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxCbIjAg6mg
- dragonwriter 12y ago
  > VoLTE (Voice over LTE) - make calls over LTE internet instead of using minutes. That's would have been a killer feature if it had occurred when smartphones were new enough that providers were selling plans with limited call minutes and unlimited data, but now that virtually every carrier has smartphone plans that are unlimited phone minutes/unlimited text and limited data with surcharges for data overages, who is looking to move from using voice minutes to using data?
  - sytelus 12y ago
    This could be a significant feature if one can make international calls for free.
    - jallmann 12y ago
      I doubt VoLTE will make any practical difference in day-to-day usage, unless carriers allow customers to default to a custom SIP/IMS registrar -- which won't happen for a long time. Calls (signaling) are still routed through the carrier[1], and your carrier still has to interconnect with the other end. While most backbones have been all-IP for a long time, the copper/cellular last mile is still mostly circuit-switched, even more so internationally. [1] I'd be very surprised if VoLTE traffic, including media, was sent over the public Internet at the same QoS as the rest of your data. Voice-over-LTE is a nice technical achievement -- IIRC reliability was very difficult to ensure, especially during 3G/2G handoff -- but to consumers, VoLTE means nothing.
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anigbrowl 12y ago
I can't watch any of the video (using Chrome) so I'm just watching the live updates on the website instead with bullet points...which is apparently a lot more useful than the video feed. 200 comments and nobody is discussing the technology, what a shame after all that build-up. Anyway the new iPhone looks more like a Samsung in terms of size, screen resolution etc. but presumably with a significant Apple technical edge. It seems like a really beautiful product, and I say that as someone who doesn't care for Apple's stuff in general. I'm sad that the launch of multiple new products is being overshadowed by the clusterfuck of the presentation, but it's a great example of execution > ideas that will probably be taught in business schools for years to come :-/
- dublinben 12y ago
  The hardware decisions of the iPhone 6 (and especially 6 plus) closely follow what Android manufacturers have been doing for years.
  - JohnTHaller 12y ago
    Mostly but not quite. The iPhone 6 is still low res (720p-ish) compared to top tier Android phones (Galaxy S4 from last year is 1080p). The only HD iPhone is the iPhone 6 Plus, but that starts at $750.
Zikes 12y ago
Oh good, charts with no Y axis. How informative. http://i.imgur.com/4UZk0MH.png http://i.imgur.com/4UZk0MH.png
- recursive 12y ago
  I like how there is a trend line that interpolates between different iphone generations. That's probably meaningful somehow.
stock_toaster 12y ago
Now redirecting directly to cdn (akamai) at http://www.apple.com.edgesuite.net/live/2014-sept-event/ http://www.apple.com.edgesuite.net/live/2014-sept-event/
adricnet 12y ago
Gizmodo's live blog here has been working well for me: http://live.gizmodo.com/our-new-iphone-liveblog-starts-right-here-on-9-9-at-1pm-1629704968 http://live.gizmodo.com/our-new-iphone-liveblog-starts-right...
stasy 12y ago
How much will an unlocked version be of iPhone 6 and iPhone 6+? If you buy full price from Tmobile.
ChuckMcM 12y ago
Pretty sad, on my iPad I had it for a while first with the Chinese translation and then that faded out, then the video stopped but the 'live blog' updates kept going, and then Safari crashed. And now three versions: access denied, a plain text non-stylized page, safari crash. Amazing that this isn't a solved problem by now.
taylorwc 12y ago
The livestream of this event, both browser and Apple TV access, is an unmitigated disaster. I'm not sure I've ever seen something go this poorly, and I'm certain I've never seen an Apple event go this poorly.
brotchie 12y ago
ApplePay: I do this every day and have been doing this every day for the last year with my Android phone in Australia! edit Admittedly the integration of all different types of cards with Passbook is good stuff!
- philangist 12y ago
  If apple really wanted to do something "revolutionary" you think they'd add cryptocurrency support to ApplePay.
  - bwb 12y ago
    lol, is that a joke?
    - recursive 12y ago
      Doesn't seem like it
  - lukifer 12y ago
    They're no longer blocking Bitcoin wallets, and with the forthcoming APIs regarding payments and touch IDs, this could be a "third party opportunity": you pay with crypto, and the merchant receives dollars, with some arbitrary payment processor in between.
- cylinder 12y ago
  Exactly. I do it in the US with Google Wallet + NFC chip in my phone. It's very surreal to see all the fanboys lose their shit in the audience as if this is a brand new technology. Edit: Would have been nice if you could pay with the Watch instead of pulling out the phone
  - abuzzooz 12y ago
    > Would have been nice if you could pay with the Watch instead of pulling out the phone You can.
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yumraj 12y ago
Is it just me or the iWatch "looks" really ugly, at least when compared with Moto 360 which looks beautiful. iWatch may win out on functionality and user experience etc., but it just looks funky.
- anigbrowl 12y ago
  Matter of taste. I like them, despite never having owned an Apple product.
  - ch4s3 12y ago
    I agree. I think it looks pretty nice, not amazing but not ugly... just pretty nice.
- diminish 12y ago
  I have seen it through a techcrunch tweet with capital "it's beautiful". When the picture of the iwatch showed up I was shocked. Never expected such an ugly design.
- general_failure 12y ago
  Doesn't matter. Before we know every other person will now wear a watch. I had this cynical feel to practically every Apple product released in the past. This time I am resigned to it.
- julianpye 12y ago
  The crazy part is the Gold 'Edition' Version. It's not like a Swiss watch, which is sold to be passed on to new generations, since your children won't be happy to get such outdated tech. What will they do with old Gold versions? Smelt them?
  - evinugur 12y ago
    It's about short term profits to cash in on the hype. I wouldn't be surprised several iterations of the Apple Watch down the line when they abandon the gold edition altogether once the novelty of the product decreases and stays constant.
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sdegutis 12y ago
tl;dr: they made a bigger phone and a watch
bane 12y ago
Reddit live link https://www.reddit.com/live/tjm08vw836vc https://www.reddit.com/live/tjm08vw836vc
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killerdhmo 12y ago
Are the top comments really about the livestream problems and not about what they released? http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/9/6125873/apple-watch-smartwatch-announced http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/9/6125873/apple-watch-smartwa...
- wickedOne 12y ago
  well yes, this thread was / is actually about that…
cbgb 12y ago
Off by 1 error in the new Fitness app. Apparently you can be 101% done with a run.
gooseus 12y ago
Question that I didn't hear addressed anywhere in the talk or online yet. Will the NFC capability be exposed to third party apps through the SDK in any way? I'm curious because they started talking about the apps for iWatch right after talking about its features, but they didn't discuss NFC in any other context but its use via Apple Pay. What do you all think?
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jdprgm 12y ago
I was really hoping the watch would be able to track gps for runs without needing an iphone. Am i supposed to wear the watch and then still have my iphone in my hand when I go for a run? Terrible user experience.
jimotto 12y ago
This site has the most and best comments on the disaster by Apple. I am a fan of Apple and use many of there products. To my disappointment I was not able to hear or watch any of the broadcast. I agree with many of the comments...fire the bad guys!
laacz 12y ago
People will get used to iPhone6 size, though many of iPhone5 users will feel like unfarily forgotten. I was betting on iPhone6 being same size as 5s and another on just a tad larger - I was wrong. Apple Watch does not bring anything exceptional to wrist devices world, though overall functionality and UX is much better than those of Android. It's just an accessory for iPhone. One thing they got right - wristwatch is personal, so it should be able to be made look personal and different. I can't say much about Apple Pay. Payments via iPhone look nice (fingerprint as authorization method) but paying via Watch just does not look very secure to me - how are you going to add that one factor? Also, it's another proprietary way of paying for stuff, which just does not feel right...
krorange 12y ago
hahah.. from all videos player i think apple video player sucks!!. I hate that.. not to say Apple event last night (MY time). I think youtube or google services are better video player. hmm.. why apple always wanted to create and use their own video player but they denide to develop it. I cannot play video in some websites. Sucks!!! Apple should change this. BTW Im apple fan though.
krorange 12y ago
hahah.. from all videos player i think apple video player sucks!!. I hate that.. not to say Apple event last night (MY time). I think youtube or google services are better video player. hmm.. why apple always wanted to create and use their own video player but they denide to develop it. I cannot play video in some websites. Sucks!!! Apple should change this. BTW Im apple fan though.
natch 12y ago
Lest anyone blame local networks or non-Apple hardware for the streaming problems: I was on IRC with other iOS developers viewing the streaming using Safari on Apple hardware with fully updated software all around (I know these people), in different parts of the US, people working at different companies, using different, very fast, geographically diverse networks, and all of us were seeing the same catastrophic problems at the same times: a mix of simultaneous multiple audio streams sometimes in sync, sometimes slightly out of sync, stopping and starting video, truck schedules for 5-10 seconds every minute or so, English over Chinese, audio temporarily resetting to beginning of stream while another track of audio continued at the current position superimposed over the let's-start-over audio, access denied errors, pause/continue buttons not working, refresh not working.. this went on for at least 40 full minutes as the problems started before the broadcast and didn't stop until after 30 minutes. And no, we were NOT madly hitting Refresh or pause/restart all the time, although we did try invoking them a few times and calmly waiting, usually to little avail. I want to emphasize that when I saw a TV truck schedule on my screen in San Francisco, at that very same moment my buddies in other parts of the country started seeing the TV truck schedule on their screens as well. If we can say one thing for this broadcast, it is that the screwups were very well synchronized for many if not all viewers. The mind boggles as to why the didn't have someone dedicated to be listening to a dog food channel of their own stream on a remote network, and report the problems back earlier, and whether they did or not, why they couldn't fix it sooner.
keithxm23 12y ago
This article explains pretty well what went wrong with the stream. It wasn't Akamai, it was Apple. The interactive JSON-based elements that had on their page prevented it from being cached which resulted in the issues we were seeing. http://blog.streamingmedia.com/2014/09/why-apples-livestream-failed.html http://blog.streamingmedia.com/2014/09/why-apples-livestream...

237 points by Geee 12y ago

Honestly very excited about this... very excited.

antr 12y ago

Call me dull, but I'm looking forward for a new iMac 27". Apple recently renewed the 21" version, but I'm just waiting for a new 27" to come out.

bruceboughton 12y ago
You're at the wrong event then.
- antr 12y ago
  I still have hope :)
autism_hurts 12y ago
Soon, but not this event!
joezydeco 12y ago
I'm secretly hoping for some extra-wacky 30th anniversary Macintosh, kind of like what Jony Ive created for the 20th. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twentieth_Anniversary_Macintosh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twentieth_Anniversary_Macintosh It's a little sad that the Mac hit 30 this year and all it got was a special web page to commemorate the event.
WildUtah 12y ago
The new iMac 27" should have a nice 5120x2880 screen. That would sure justify the hype. But I bet we'll just get a 4.7" iPhone, Apple catching up to where Samsung has been for three long years now with a medium sized phone instead of a tiny chiclet. (I love the chiclet, but bigger would be better.) And we'll probably get another lousy "smart" watch that needs charging every day and doesn't do anything you can't do by pulling out your phone for a second. Maybe fanatic runners like Apple's CEO will find it almost as useful as a fuelband or fitbit. Note: Downvoters really hate the idea of a retina iMac.
- MCRed 12y ago
  Do you think Apple's been desperately saying to itself for the past 3 years "gee, I wish we had the technology to make a larger phone!"
  - WildUtah 12y ago
    Everybody knows the future of technology is bigger everything. Just look at the giant iPadds on Star Trek.

rebel 12y ago

This presentation looks like it's going to be on another level.. even for Apple standards.

readerrrr 12y ago

How can I watch this on windows if I don't have Quicktime installed?

aroch 12y ago
Use VLC, give it the livestream URI (inspect element on the QT inset).
pseudometa 12y ago
Use any iOS device if you have one. Or use one of the streams on Twitch... http://www.twitch.tv/search?query=apple+event#stq=apple http://www.twitch.tv/search?query=apple+event#stq=apple event&stp=1
- sarciszewski 12y ago
  > Use any iOS device if you have one. Sorry, I'm not rich. :P
Geee 12y ago
I'm not sure, but you can try these (should work on Android): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Live_Streaming#Supported_players_and_servers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Live_Streaming#Supported_p... Here's a test stream http://devimages.apple.com/iphone/samples/bipbopgear1.html http://devimages.apple.com/iphone/samples/bipbopgear1.html
el_duderino 12y ago
..And all the twitch streams have been shut down.
el_duderino 12y ago
Even better, use VLC: http://9to5mac.com/community/how-to-stream-apples-sept-9-iphone-6iwatch-event-on-windows/ http://9to5mac.com/community/how-to-stream-apples-sept-9-iph...
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aroch 12y ago

Apple.com/ has been redirecting to apple.com/live for about ~20 hours now. They're very confident about what's about to be presented.

drewnick 12y ago
They've been using a '301 MOVED PERMANENTLY' redirect, meaning they are extra serious about this.
- songgao 12y ago
  Correct me if I'm wrong. IIRC, there isn't a status code for temporary moved *with a timeout. If you use 307, it means the browser will always still check the original apple.com first, then get redirected to apple.com/live. Using 301 would make browser go to apple.com/live directly which improves response time. When the event is finished, they can do a 301 on apple.com/live back to apple.com to overwrite the rule.
  - bennesvig 12y ago
    302 is a temporary redirect.
  - hlmencken 12y ago
    302
- aroch 12y ago
  Or lazy about their redirecting. 301's are supported by pretty much every browser, indexer and wget/curl whereas 302's sometimes fail on those. Its also pretty easy to reissue another 301 from /live to com/
  - Someone1234 12y ago
    True. For any other site it would matter, as doing so hurts your search ranking, but I seriously doubt Apple.com worries about search rank.

moeedm 12y ago

Wow, they're going all out for this one. Lots of new things they haven't done in past keynotes. Can't wait to see what they show off.

autism_hurts 12y ago
Gruber has a spot on wrap-up: http://daringfireball.net/2014/09/prelude http://daringfireball.net/2014/09/prelude
- brk 12y ago
  How can it be a wrap-up, or judged to be spot-on in advance of any actual confirmed facts? I'll admit he's probably mostly prescient, but we won't know for another hour or two.
  - autism_hurts 12y ago
    We'll see after the event.
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- post_break 12y ago
  Can you taste the distain in his words? Grumlbing like an old man saying "GET OFF MY LAWN" It's kind of odd, even for him.

htaunay 12y ago

[Off-Topic]: The 12:44 pic might as well be a Starbucks ad (8:44 PDT)

droopyEyelids 12y ago

Any chance we can keep all Apple discussion on HN contained in this thread?

3rd3 12y ago
Unlikely. There will probably be 300+ comments on the iWatch alone.
billharrison 12y ago
Sadly, no.
canadaj 12y ago
Probably not. People are going to post the links to Apple's announcements which makes sense. I don't want to read the discussion of the iWatch along with everything else in one thread.
WildUtah 12y ago
Half the stories on the front page will be Apple stories within the next two hours. The ranking algorithm will drop them off soon enough. Maybe the time coefficient should be stronger for days like today, though.
- k-mcgrady 12y ago
  >> "Maybe the time coefficient should be stronger for days like today, though." I disagree. The reason the front page becomes full of Apple is because Apple launches all their stuff at once. There are only maybe 2 or 3 times a year that Apple releases new stuff. The discussions of these things are important. They shouldn't be penalised for happening at the same time.

wiredfool 12y ago

Wall Street is going to be disappointed if there's no Singularity.

AlexeyBrin 12y ago

Can't wait to see the new iPhone 6, time to change my old iPhone 4 :)

Aardwolf 12y ago

This website says that live streaming requires OS X or iOS. Why would they only allow already-customers to watch their presentation? Locking out non-customers seems not the best way to get some.

jonursenbach 12y ago
This is nothing new. Their streamed events have always been locked down to Safari on OS X and iOS.
AlexeyBrin 12y ago
Check the comments, someone already solved this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8290769 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8290769
- Aardwolf 12y ago
  Well, still, for a company that tries to make everything "simple and beautiful", why don't their video streams just work everywhere out of the box? That is the question.
  - seren 12y ago
    Everything is simple and beautiful if you are already embedded in the ecosystem/walled garden. If you are an outsider, it is another matter... Isn't it more or less the goal of every tech giant ?
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  - MCRed 12y ago
    What Apple's live streaming does, is in a CDN friendly way dynamically adjust the bandwidth going to a stream consumer. It's a great invention and there's no reason other people haven't adopted it. It's not being proprietary, it's simply being smart, because it's not trivial to do this kind of broadcast on the internet. Here's the reality of video, and this goes for a lot of things that Apple makes "simple and beautiful". They fundamentally aren't. Video is a fundamentally difficult mess, a PITA, and the only way to have it work really smoothly is to have enough control over the entire stack to ensure that things work they way they are supposed to... and even then it doesn't always work. People adopting MP4 as a standard has gone a long way towards making things "just work" generally, but it's not sufficient by itself for a quality live stream. I remember trying to watch a previous live stream from south america and the difficulties I had, even though I was using Apple devices and software the whole way. Simple and Beautiful is a contradiction from "everywhere out of the box". Those are two opposite goals. This is an important thing to understand about software broadly, but with video it borders on impossible.

lordbusiness 12y ago

Can anyone recall if iOS goes GM / public release on the day of this? Or do we have to wait a week?

mathieuh 12y ago
iOS major versions are usually released soon after the actual phone is released, so still another week or two to wait.
- lordbusiness 12y ago
  That rings a bell - thank you. :-)
WildUtah 12y ago
Historically, the new iPhone becomes available on Friday a week and a half after the event and the new iOS is released for older phones at the same time.
k-mcgrady 12y ago
It always goes GM immediately but only dev program members can get it. I think for the public the update has varied between phone launch day and a few days after the event.

stasy 12y ago

The timer doesn't display for me. Is this happening with anyone else?

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autism_hurts 12y ago
Works for me, a normal user. CLOSED:WONTFIX
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  - JonLim 12y ago
    Windows user here on Chrome, worked fine. But I'm really just using it as a countdown timer before I start up the VLC stream.
mbrubeck 12y ago
I can't reproduce this in either Chrome or Firefox. All of the requests I see are to the http://www.apple.com http://www.apple.com origin. I also can't find any hard-coded https://www.apple.com https://www.apple.com URLs in the HTML+JS sources. Maybe they fixed it already, or maybe you have a browser extension that's modifying the requests on your end.
- Someone1234 12y ago
  Turns out to be HTTPS Everywhere (EFF's extension) doing it. My bad.

derengel 12y ago

Who wants to see the mac mini revived? ;)

jerhinesmith 12y ago
Me! I've been wanting to replace my Windows desktop machine for a year now, but I've been waiting for a refresh on the mac mini.
- dublinben 12y ago
  Why not get one of the many other mITX computers, or even an Intel NUC?
  - jerhinesmith 12y ago
    I use a macbook air all day for work. I built my windows box when I was doing .NET development, but I've long since switched to ruby -- ideally I'd like to have both running the same OS (which I guess could be a flavor of linux, but I'm too lazy for that).
    - dragonbonheur 12y ago
      Why don't you get a Hackintosh? Even old Acer Aspire netbooks can run OSX and there are plenty of tutorials online.
    - derengel 12y ago
      Do you use to the mba without an external monitor and keyboard? I can seem to adjust to developing all day on laptop, thus wanting a mac mini upgrade.
      - jerhinesmith 12y ago
        Well, I share my desktop machine with my girlfriend. I could easily get by with a clean desk at home and just the MBA -- that said, it's not completely up to me. :)

hobarrera 12y ago

"Our live broadcast begins at 10 a.m. PDT." Considering that the entire world uses GMT, and that only US citizens use PDT, they could have bothered to use GMT. Or better still, they could have detected your location/system time and just put a countdown or your own local time.

xienze 12y ago
Or you could just Google the time in your timezone yourself.
Smirnoff 12y ago
Uhmm, did you not notice that HUGE countdown timer? That pretty much covers entire world. And, no, whole world doesn't use GMT (talk to Indians and Chinese about what time they use). Also, entire US doesn't use PDT time. You know, some people live on east coast.
- discardorama 12y ago
  Indians, in particular, make it even more interesting with the extra half-hour offset. :-D
- hobarrera 12y ago
  > Uhmm, did you not notice that HUGE countdown timer? That pretty much covers entire world. It want's there when I visited. :-( > And, no, whole world doesn't use GMT (talk to Indians and Chinese about what time they use). Also, entire US doesn't use PDT time. You know, some people live on east coast. But they must most certainly know their GMT offset, since it's the worldwide reference.
k-mcgrady 12y ago
The screen is filled with a huge countdown. You can't add the countdown to your current time and get the answer? If someone is holding an event I would expect them to announce the start in local time - the people that need to know the time the most are the ones that are going to be there, why make it more difficult for them?

RexRollman 12y ago

I'm getting older, so maybe my desires don't match up with the majority of tech people's anymore, but does anyone really want an iWatch (or whatever it ends up being called)? I am just not sold on the usefulness of such a thing.

epmatsw 12y ago
I too am skeptical, but I also felt the same way before the iPad announcement. So I will wait and see.
xienze 12y ago
It's not just you. I don't get the whole smartwatch thing either. For $400 (or whatever it ends up costing), I can just pull my phone out of my pocket.
- seanflyon 12y ago
  They have announced a price of $349
MCRed 12y ago
I didn't see the point of the iPhone or the iPad before they announced them. I haven't worn a watch for 20 years... but if they do announce a watch (I expect it will be a wearable more than a watch) I bet I will buy it. Because I don't think they'd make it if it weren't worth making. Apple has never tried to create a new category when they didn't have something substantial to offer.
- maaku 12y ago
  My goodness you have a short memory. http://www.businessinsider.com/10-old-apple-products-that-totally-failed-2013-11?op=1 http://www.businessinsider.com/10-old-apple-products-that-to...
  - r00fus 12y ago
    Any newer entries? Post-iPhone, Apple (i.e., not Apple Computer) has been a very focused company. There was an interesting presentation that Tim Cook gave where he said that every product Apple currently sold being was on a single table in front of him at the presentation - can't find the link now.

moeedm 12y ago

Guess: The building outside is actually a stage where Dre will perform.

canadaj 12y ago
Announcing Apple Records and iLabel. They will also announce their first album to be Detox.
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jl6 12y ago

iBeats smart headphones with voice-only UI. "Wish we could say more".

gramasaurous 12y ago

The video started for me a few minutes ago, anyone else notice that there seems to be two songs playing in the background at once?

jvreeland 12y ago
Came here to ask if anyone else had that problem. The combination is really strange.
- gramasaurous 12y ago
  Yeah, it's quite bothersome. I've muted it until the show starts. Interestingly though, they seem to be playing a Tycho album in the background.
readerrrr 12y ago
On the official stream? http://www.apple.com/live/2014-sept-event/ http://www.apple.com/live/2014-sept-event/
- gramasaurous 12y ago
  Yup, seems a few people hear it as well.
PedroCandeias 12y ago
Same here. It's very annoying.
sudhirj 12y ago
I'm guessing that the mics are picking up the hall music, and some technician had instructions to play background music on the web feed.
- gramasaurous 12y ago
  Sounds right, I just heard a voice over the PA system.

hlmencken 12y ago

seventeen songs at once are playing

subpixel 12y ago

I can't believe I'm actually tuning in to watch this.

hlmencken 12y ago
so silly, could really make or break my opinion of apple's future

hlmencken 12y ago

why am i getting bars

e0m 12y ago

Anyone else seeing the TV Truck schedule instead of the keynote right now?

tehwebguy 12y ago
Yeah, someone is about to be in trouble Edit: Now getting "Access Denied" on http://www.apple.com/live http://www.apple.com/live
jvreeland 12y ago
Yes, No idea why.
aianus 12y ago
I am. Music is still playing in the background.
carbocation 12y ago
The Twitter feed at the bottom says "It's showtime" but I'm just seeing the color bars and truck schedule, too.
- hlmencken 12y ago
  press pause and then live
  - aianus 12y ago
    You don't have permission to access "http://www.apple.com/live/2014-sept-event/" http://www.apple.com/live/2014-sept-event/" on this server.
  - jlogsdon 12y ago
    Now I hear live translation along side the speaker. Awesome.
hoistor 12y ago
Yes. :/

cylinder 12y ago

Restricting this to Safari only? Fuck you Apple. I'm on a god damned Macbook.

OedipusRex 12y ago
I hope this isn't a sign of things to come, they really seem to be clamping down on third-party competitors on their platforms.
- evinugur 12y ago
  I'm not even sure what the strategical advantage of limiting the stream in the first place. People who can't access it still want information about Apple, and often resort to 3rd party blogs, or someone else streaming the stream. I understand why apple has a closed door stance on technology, but limiting people from participating in a live event about Apple seems foolish and with no obvious benefit
  - thesimon 12y ago
    Reduce server load?
derefr 12y ago
It's not Safari-only, it's just a Quicktime RTMP stream, like all their streams have always been. You should be able to watch it in any browser with a Quicktime plugin.
- auxbuss 12y ago
  Failed for me on Firefox with a QuickTime plug-in. Fine on Safari.
aroch 12y ago
It uses Apple HTTP-LiveStream library which only Safari has support for (even though its opensource and unencumbered)... It has little to do with lock in

hoistor 12y ago

Aaand japanese translations ???

jedmeyers 12y ago
It sounds more like Chinese.
discardorama 12y ago
It sounds like Chinese to me.

DSingularity 12y ago

anyone else getting access denied?

pt 12y ago

Anyone hearing Chinese commentary?

SeoxyS 12y ago
Yeah I am. This stream is also super low quality… what is going on?
wingerlang 12y ago
Yup

nodesocket 12y ago

Solid black screen for me. Now, I have video, but why in gods name is there a Chinese translation? Wow, this is an utter failure. Now video is skipping around.

RayVR 12y ago

getting translators for...mandarin? korean? over the sound of tim cook...

discardorama 12y ago

Is anyone else getting Chinese crosstalk on the audio?

jastanton 12y ago
Yes it's incredibly distracting.

evertonfuller 12y ago

Well someone's going to get fired after this is over. What complete shambles so far.

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dzhiurgis 12y ago

I am hearing Tim Cook and some Chinese translation in the back. Go figure.

mromanuk 12y ago
Yes, super annoying!

grej 12y ago

OUCH! This is on a MacBook Pro running Safari: Access Denied You don't have permission to access "http://www.apple.com/" http://www.apple.com/" on this server. Reference #18.342f0660.1410282543.baf7bd

dutchbrit 12y ago
Server quirk.
- stock_toaster 12y ago
  I think Akamai is dropping the ball today.

Quai 12y ago

"Sorry, your browser doesn’t support our live video stream." My browser supports live video just fine. It's -your- streaming software that lacks support for my browser. This illustrates why I never have, and never will own a Apple product.

anon4 12y ago
It's really ludicrous to be this picky about browsers when you're trying to reach new customers. I presume that Apple want to market to people who aren't Apple users already.
Too 12y ago
Really lame yeah, it doesn't work in any of firefox, chrome or IE.

sudhirj 12y ago

As far as live feeds go, this is one of the biggest screwups I've ever seen.

ulfw 12y ago

Wow they seriously messed this one up.

math0ne 12y ago

WOW their streaming choices here have made me loose another notch of respect for apple WTF, safari only? This is 2014 apple grow up.

mitchty 12y ago
This has always been the case. Either setup VLC so http live streaming (which is JUST a m3u playlist of mp4 files that get downloaded in succession) or install safari.

DSingularity 12y ago

now no audio?

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ryanSrich 12y ago

Can anyone see this right now? My video is seriously messed up. I have both VLC and Safari running the stream. It's freezing, jumping around from the iPhone 6 release back to the beginning video. The audio is a combination of glitches, Chinese, and skipping english.

rubicon33 12y ago

Yes apple, I want to buy your products! Why? Well, because you showed such engineering prowess with your streaming service, that I am sure you know what you're doing!

bringking 12y ago

whats up with the Chinese translations?

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fidotron 12y ago

Lessons so far: fragmentation is only bad when it's a criticism you can apply to other people. EDIT: Additionally, losing Steve Jobs really was as damaging as many feared then.

jdnier 12y ago

Apple's web site has a curated set of "live" posts giving details. http://www.apple.com/live/2014-sept-event/ http://www.apple.com/live/2014-sept-event/

jdnier 12y ago
These highlights (with pictures) are coming in real-time and save the bother of trying to watch video.

niix 12y ago

Get it together, jeesh.

IkmoIkmo 12y ago

First no video, then constant mixing between the TV Truck schedule, a video of the crowd, a video of the presentation screen showing the apple logo, a message showing apple copyright. Refreshed a few times, got 'access denied to server' page a few times. Then got video with Chinese translations talking over the presenter. Then it suddenly stopped, I pressed 'resume' to get the TV truck schedule again. On an iPad.

bla2 12y ago
Magical, with a touch of whimsy.
matthijs_ 12y ago
Same here, really annoying.
tcfunk 12y ago
It has been a very special event, indeed...
Killswitch 12y ago
Yup, I got sick of it and just closed out Safari. Back to work I guess.
- ewoodrich 12y ago
  It seems to have improved by this point. No more ultra-loud dubbing or TV truck schedules.
  - Killswitch 12y ago
    But it freezes randomly, only thing I can do to fix it is reload the page, and 9 out of 10 times the page loads half-assed or there's no video at all.
    - ewoodrich 12y ago
      Yeah, I spoke too soon. My stream has completely dropped out now, I'm not sure what's going on.

malchow 12y ago

Does anyone know whose network is delivering the streams? Is it Akamai?

mattdotc 12y ago
One of the links posted to the stream is hosted on p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net and a little googling shows that Edgesuite is an Akamai product.
malchow 12y ago
Looks like iOS devices are being sent to a different stream. Viewing is perfect so far on my iPhone.

lifeisstillgood 12y ago

So the smart money is on: - iWatch with less features, possibly just tracks your every move and becomes part of quantified self - a new record label or Dre inspired mood - two new iPhones Possibly some or all put back till they are perfect. Is this a correct reading of what has to be a record 150 HN posts in five minutes flat?

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udzinari 12y ago

WTF per minute world record just got smashed to peaces

u124556 12y ago

For those not able to see the video, text updates [here](http://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/2fwmcl/apple_special_event_9914_live_updates/ http://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/2fwmcl/apple_special_...)

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clairity 12y ago

did anyone catch if apple devices can do peer-to-peer payments via apple pay? (e.g., one phone acting as a reader, à la square, another as payer)

acomjean 12y ago

I like working and having the text feed. I use: http://www.macrumors.com/ http://www.macrumors.com/ feed of the event. It autorefreshes which is nice.

evidencepi 12y ago

The live stream is a disaster. Anyone experiences a homepaga crash?

DigitalJack 12y ago

The new iPhone 6000 SUX. Big is back! Because Bigger is Better! (c.f. robocop)

abruzzi 12y ago
So I have to double click the home button to reach the top of the screen?!
DigitalJack 12y ago
Maybe you all are too young to remember the 6000 SUX.

shawn-butler 12y ago

The translation voiceover is pretty distracting. Not sure what Apple is trying to do.

rdvrk 12y ago

Little onions love to disco. With Chinese translations. And the TV Truck. Maybe they have an augmented reality product coming? Bringing back the rainbow logo? This is terrible.

discardorama 12y ago

Yay! The Chinese translation has stopped!! It took only 26 minutes to achieve this. I hope someone gets fired for these goofs. I expected better from Apple.

wfjackson 12y ago

I wonder if they started working on the bigger iPhones while airing this ad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY4c2mh15Yk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY4c2mh15Yk The new "reachability" feature is an interesting way to try to minimize the problem though, if a little cumbersome.

ewoodrich 12y ago

Direct stream for VLC: http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/14pijnadfpvkjnfvpijhabdfvpijbadfv09/m3u8/atv_mvp.m3u8 http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/14pijnadfpv...

wickedOne 12y ago

quite a disgrace for a tech company of this size: either a black screen, an access denied error, stalling stream with a chinese (?) voice over… but hey, the iphone 6 has rounded corners! B|

wilsonfiifi 12y ago

Streaming seems to be better from the iPad than the Mac... weird

saganus 12y ago

I'm getting "You don't have permission to access "http://www.apple.com/live/2014-sept-event/" http://www.apple.com/live/2014-sept-event/" on this server. Reference #18.520fd717.1410283069.16b78ac2" How come?

TheAlchemist 12y ago

Getting 'Access Denied' now

mslev 12y ago

I'm watching it using VLC. Media > Open Network Stream... > Paste this link: http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/14pijnadfpvkjnfvpijhabdfvpijbadfv09/m3u8/atv_mvp.m3u8 http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/14pijnadfpv...

grecy 12y ago
me too. It drops out every now and again.. I close VLC and re-do the whole thing and it comes good again.
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thisisrobv 12y ago
This works for me too!
ripter 12y ago
This works for me! Safari still shows an error.
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dzhiurgis 12y ago
Works just as bad. Actually managed to crash VLC somehow.
tbomb 12y ago
Ahh thank you! Now i can watch it on my laptop, and it doesn't cut out every 2 minutes

zvanness 12y ago

Right now i'm at: Access Denied You don't have permission to access "http://www.apple.com/live/2014-sept-event/" http://www.apple.com/live/2014-sept-event/" on this server. Reference #18.2d2f0660.1410283131.13b065e3

carlosaguayo 12y ago
Right now there's no even access to apple.com

icpmacdo 12y ago

I'm getting an access denied page trying to refresh the stream

sytelus 12y ago

Summary: 2 new iPhone models: iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus. iPhone 6 is 4.7", iPhone 6 Plus is 5.5". Power button on right side. A8 chip - 13% smaller chip, 25% faster CPU, 50% faster GPU, 50% more energy efficient than A7. Battery a little better on the iPhone 6; iPhone 6 Plus has amazing battery life. VoLTE (Voice over LTE) - make calls over LTE internet instead of using minutes. Camera is still 8MP... YouTube video stream is working: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxCbIjAg6mg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxCbIjAg6mg

dragonwriter 12y ago
> VoLTE (Voice over LTE) - make calls over LTE internet instead of using minutes. That's would have been a killer feature if it had occurred when smartphones were new enough that providers were selling plans with limited call minutes and unlimited data, but now that virtually every carrier has smartphone plans that are unlimited phone minutes/unlimited text and limited data with surcharges for data overages, who is looking to move from using voice minutes to using data?
- sytelus 12y ago
  This could be a significant feature if one can make international calls for free.
  - jallmann 12y ago
    I doubt VoLTE will make any practical difference in day-to-day usage, unless carriers allow customers to default to a custom SIP/IMS registrar -- which won't happen for a long time. Calls (signaling) are still routed through the carrier[1], and your carrier still has to interconnect with the other end. While most backbones have been all-IP for a long time, the copper/cellular last mile is still mostly circuit-switched, even more so internationally. [1] I'd be very surprised if VoLTE traffic, including media, was sent over the public Internet at the same QoS as the rest of your data. Voice-over-LTE is a nice technical achievement -- IIRC reliability was very difficult to ensure, especially during 3G/2G handoff -- but to consumers, VoLTE means nothing.
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anigbrowl 12y ago

I can't watch any of the video (using Chrome) so I'm just watching the live updates on the website instead with bullet points...which is apparently a lot more useful than the video feed. 200 comments and nobody is discussing the technology, what a shame after all that build-up. Anyway the new iPhone looks more like a Samsung in terms of size, screen resolution etc. but presumably with a significant Apple technical edge. It seems like a really beautiful product, and I say that as someone who doesn't care for Apple's stuff in general. I'm sad that the launch of multiple new products is being overshadowed by the clusterfuck of the presentation, but it's a great example of execution > ideas that will probably be taught in business schools for years to come :-/

dublinben 12y ago
The hardware decisions of the iPhone 6 (and especially 6 plus) closely follow what Android manufacturers have been doing for years.
- JohnTHaller 12y ago
  Mostly but not quite. The iPhone 6 is still low res (720p-ish) compared to top tier Android phones (Galaxy S4 from last year is 1080p). The only HD iPhone is the iPhone 6 Plus, but that starts at $750.

Zikes 12y ago

Oh good, charts with no Y axis. How informative. http://i.imgur.com/4UZk0MH.png http://i.imgur.com/4UZk0MH.png

recursive 12y ago
I like how there is a trend line that interpolates between different iphone generations. That's probably meaningful somehow.

stock_toaster 12y ago

Now redirecting directly to cdn (akamai) at http://www.apple.com.edgesuite.net/live/2014-sept-event/ http://www.apple.com.edgesuite.net/live/2014-sept-event/

adricnet 12y ago

Gizmodo's live blog here has been working well for me: http://live.gizmodo.com/our-new-iphone-liveblog-starts-right-here-on-9-9-at-1pm-1629704968 http://live.gizmodo.com/our-new-iphone-liveblog-starts-right...

stasy 12y ago

How much will an unlocked version be of iPhone 6 and iPhone 6+? If you buy full price from Tmobile.

ChuckMcM 12y ago

Pretty sad, on my iPad I had it for a while first with the Chinese translation and then that faded out, then the video stopped but the 'live blog' updates kept going, and then Safari crashed. And now three versions: access denied, a plain text non-stylized page, safari crash. Amazing that this isn't a solved problem by now.

taylorwc 12y ago

The livestream of this event, both browser and Apple TV access, is an unmitigated disaster. I'm not sure I've ever seen something go this poorly, and I'm certain I've never seen an Apple event go this poorly.

brotchie 12y ago

ApplePay: I do this every day and have been doing this every day for the last year with my Android phone in Australia! edit Admittedly the integration of all different types of cards with Passbook is good stuff!

philangist 12y ago
If apple really wanted to do something "revolutionary" you think they'd add cryptocurrency support to ApplePay.
- bwb 12y ago
  lol, is that a joke?
  - recursive 12y ago
    Doesn't seem like it
- lukifer 12y ago
  They're no longer blocking Bitcoin wallets, and with the forthcoming APIs regarding payments and touch IDs, this could be a "third party opportunity": you pay with crypto, and the merchant receives dollars, with some arbitrary payment processor in between.
cylinder 12y ago
Exactly. I do it in the US with Google Wallet + NFC chip in my phone. It's very surreal to see all the fanboys lose their shit in the audience as if this is a brand new technology. Edit: Would have been nice if you could pay with the Watch instead of pulling out the phone
- abuzzooz 12y ago
  > Would have been nice if you could pay with the Watch instead of pulling out the phone You can.
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yumraj 12y ago

Is it just me or the iWatch "looks" really ugly, at least when compared with Moto 360 which looks beautiful. iWatch may win out on functionality and user experience etc., but it just looks funky.

anigbrowl 12y ago
Matter of taste. I like them, despite never having owned an Apple product.
- ch4s3 12y ago
  I agree. I think it looks pretty nice, not amazing but not ugly... just pretty nice.
diminish 12y ago
I have seen it through a techcrunch tweet with capital "it's beautiful". When the picture of the iwatch showed up I was shocked. Never expected such an ugly design.
general_failure 12y ago
Doesn't matter. Before we know every other person will now wear a watch. I had this cynical feel to practically every Apple product released in the past. This time I am resigned to it.
julianpye 12y ago
The crazy part is the Gold 'Edition' Version. It's not like a Swiss watch, which is sold to be passed on to new generations, since your children won't be happy to get such outdated tech. What will they do with old Gold versions? Smelt them?
- evinugur 12y ago
  It's about short term profits to cash in on the hype. I wouldn't be surprised several iterations of the Apple Watch down the line when they abandon the gold edition altogether once the novelty of the product decreases and stays constant.

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sdegutis 12y ago

tl;dr: they made a bigger phone and a watch

bane 12y ago

Reddit live link https://www.reddit.com/live/tjm08vw836vc https://www.reddit.com/live/tjm08vw836vc

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killerdhmo 12y ago

Are the top comments really about the livestream problems and not about what they released? http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/9/6125873/apple-watch-smartwatch-announced http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/9/6125873/apple-watch-smartwa...

wickedOne 12y ago
well yes, this thread was / is actually about that…

cbgb 12y ago

Off by 1 error in the new Fitness app. Apparently you can be 101% done with a run.

gooseus 12y ago

Question that I didn't hear addressed anywhere in the talk or online yet. Will the NFC capability be exposed to third party apps through the SDK in any way? I'm curious because they started talking about the apps for iWatch right after talking about its features, but they didn't discuss NFC in any other context but its use via Apple Pay. What do you all think?

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jdprgm 12y ago

I was really hoping the watch would be able to track gps for runs without needing an iphone. Am i supposed to wear the watch and then still have my iphone in my hand when I go for a run? Terrible user experience.

jimotto 12y ago

This site has the most and best comments on the disaster by Apple. I am a fan of Apple and use many of there products. To my disappointment I was not able to hear or watch any of the broadcast. I agree with many of the comments...fire the bad guys!

laacz 12y ago

People will get used to iPhone6 size, though many of iPhone5 users will feel like unfarily forgotten. I was betting on iPhone6 being same size as 5s and another on just a tad larger - I was wrong. Apple Watch does not bring anything exceptional to wrist devices world, though overall functionality and UX is much better than those of Android. It's just an accessory for iPhone. One thing they got right - wristwatch is personal, so it should be able to be made look personal and different. I can't say much about Apple Pay. Payments via iPhone look nice (fingerprint as authorization method) but paying via Watch just does not look very secure to me - how are you going to add that one factor? Also, it's another proprietary way of paying for stuff, which just does not feel right...

krorange 12y ago

hahah.. from all videos player i think apple video player sucks!!. I hate that.. not to say Apple event last night (MY time). I think youtube or google services are better video player. hmm.. why apple always wanted to create and use their own video player but they denide to develop it. I cannot play video in some websites. Sucks!!! Apple should change this. BTW Im apple fan though.

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natch 12y ago

Lest anyone blame local networks or non-Apple hardware for the streaming problems: I was on IRC with other iOS developers viewing the streaming using Safari on Apple hardware with fully updated software all around (I know these people), in different parts of the US, people working at different companies, using different, very fast, geographically diverse networks, and all of us were seeing the same catastrophic problems at the same times: a mix of simultaneous multiple audio streams sometimes in sync, sometimes slightly out of sync, stopping and starting video, truck schedules for 5-10 seconds every minute or so, English over Chinese, audio temporarily resetting to beginning of stream while another track of audio continued at the current position superimposed over the let's-start-over audio, access denied errors, pause/continue buttons not working, refresh not working.. this went on for at least 40 full minutes as the problems started before the broadcast and didn't stop until after 30 minutes. And no, we were NOT madly hitting Refresh or pause/restart all the time, although we did try invoking them a few times and calmly waiting, usually to little avail. I want to emphasize that when I saw a TV truck schedule on my screen in San Francisco, at that very same moment my buddies in other parts of the country started seeing the TV truck schedule on their screens as well. If we can say one thing for this broadcast, it is that the screwups were very well synchronized for many if not all viewers. The mind boggles as to why the didn't have someone dedicated to be listening to a dog food channel of their own stream on a remote network, and report the problems back earlier, and whether they did or not, why they couldn't fix it sooner.

keithxm23 12y ago

This article explains pretty well what went wrong with the stream. It wasn't Akamai, it was Apple. The interactive JSON-based elements that had on their page prevented it from being cached which resulted in the issues we were seeing. http://blog.streamingmedia.com/2014/09/why-apples-livestream-failed.html http://blog.streamingmedia.com/2014/09/why-apples-livestream...