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Apparently the work wasn't really stolen- it was a stock design that was (presumably) paid for. I would not call it a rip-off, and would ask "what about fiver

Apparently the work wasn't really stolen- it was a stock design that was (presumably) paid for. I would not call it a rip-off, and would ask "what about fiver makes people think they are going to get completely original designs?" If fiver (or their designers) are indeed somehow misleading customers into thinking their design is completely original, with no stock art involved, that is a problem- but it seems clear to me that for 5 bucks that you would be starting from stock.

ChuckMcM 12y ago
I was thinking the same thing, which is that if these folks are going through the web, finding licensable and free content for creating a logo out of, putting it into a logo and then mailing it to you, that is probably 30 - 45 minutes of your time so worth $5 is it not? I don't know if designers get more angry at people who take logos constructed out of stock parts in this way and use them or at the people who supply those logos. There are lots and lots of them out there.
grimtrigger 12y ago
This is probably more obvious to HN readers than the average buyer
- PostOnce 12y ago
  Why would you think you could get any sort of creative work at all for 5 dollars? Even at just above minimum wage, wouldn't the time this person spent communicating with you about your company consume at least $5 of wages, before any actual graphical work began? At the very least I'd hope $5 worth of thought went into it before $5 worth of actual drawing work commenced. In other news oh my god my $5 shoes fell apart.
  - Dylan16807 12y ago
    Reading the description of a company should take no more than 1-2 minutes. I understand that drawing takes time but I could easily do some form of creative blurb writing at $5 a pop and make $50 an hour. Couldn't you?
    - JabavuAdams 12y ago
      Have you actually done this? If not, you're just making up numbers. What's the variance? etc. etc.
      - Dylan16807 12y ago
        I haven't done it because nobody is willing to pay $5 for a blurb. But here I'll do you one for free: "JabavuAdams - insight for a modern world" or "JabavuAdams - jack into the future [game link]" The point is that doing some kind of fast creative work is physically possible. You can even get quality creative work for a few dollars. Go find a street artist.
  - johndavidback 12y ago
    I think that on Fiver you give creative direction and that's what they go on, they probably don't care too much about your company.
sphericalgames 12y ago
Certainly on iStockPhoto there is a license restriction clause which states it can't be use in any logo or trademark. http://www.istockphoto.com/help/licenses http://www.istockphoto.com/help/licenses I wouldn't be surprised if this kind of restriction is common in most stock photo sites.
- ghaff 12y ago
  Right. And there are a lot of rationales for this restriction. Say you decide to use a logo incorporating stock artwork for your open source project or small business. Don't be surprised to get a cease and desist letter down the road from some other business which used the same artwork in their logo and perhaps even trademarked the logo. It doesn't really make sense to use stock art for anything that is supposed to be a unique identity.
- ensignavenger 12y ago
  I did some quick looking at the stock sites featured in the article: Dreamstime: http://www.dreamstime.com/terms#unauthorized http://www.dreamstime.com/terms#unauthorized Apparently you can use it in a logo, but you cannot trademark it- which resolves the problem of someone trademarking it and suing you- their trademark would be infringing the license. 123rf: http://www.123rf.com/license.php?type=enhanced http://www.123rf.com/license.php?type=enhanced Yes, this license does forbid use on logos, so that designer apparently did indeed violate the license. The designer should have read the fine print. Freelancer: I couldn't find terms for stock work, however, the headline in the screenshot is "travel agency logo" so based on that, it appears it is meant to be a stock logo. So, it appears that 2 out of 3 of the sites do allow us of their artwork in logos. It may not be a good idea, but in these 2 cases, I would not call it stealing. Nor would I expect anything more for 5 bucks.
adventured 12y ago
The only thing I'd add to what you said, is that another common problem with using stock images for a logo, is that sometimes the rights of the stock image that was purchased excludes it from being reused in such things as logos.

ChuckMcM 12y ago

I was thinking the same thing, which is that if these folks are going through the web, finding licensable and free content for creating a logo out of, putting it into a logo and then mailing it to you, that is probably 30 - 45 minutes of your time so worth $5 is it not? I don't know if designers get more angry at people who take logos constructed out of stock parts in this way and use them or at the people who supply those logos. There are lots and lots of them out there.

grimtrigger 12y ago

This is probably more obvious to HN readers than the average buyer

PostOnce 12y ago
Why would you think you could get any sort of creative work at all for 5 dollars? Even at just above minimum wage, wouldn't the time this person spent communicating with you about your company consume at least $5 of wages, before any actual graphical work began? At the very least I'd hope $5 worth of thought went into it before $5 worth of actual drawing work commenced. In other news oh my god my $5 shoes fell apart.
- Dylan16807 12y ago
  Reading the description of a company should take no more than 1-2 minutes. I understand that drawing takes time but I could easily do some form of creative blurb writing at $5 a pop and make $50 an hour. Couldn't you?
  - JabavuAdams 12y ago
    Have you actually done this? If not, you're just making up numbers. What's the variance? etc. etc.
    - Dylan16807 12y ago
      I haven't done it because nobody is willing to pay $5 for a blurb. But here I'll do you one for free: "JabavuAdams - insight for a modern world" or "JabavuAdams - jack into the future [game link]" The point is that doing some kind of fast creative work is physically possible. You can even get quality creative work for a few dollars. Go find a street artist.
- johndavidback 12y ago
  I think that on Fiver you give creative direction and that's what they go on, they probably don't care too much about your company.

sphericalgames 12y ago

Certainly on iStockPhoto there is a license restriction clause which states it can't be use in any logo or trademark. http://www.istockphoto.com/help/licenses http://www.istockphoto.com/help/licenses I wouldn't be surprised if this kind of restriction is common in most stock photo sites.

ghaff 12y ago
Right. And there are a lot of rationales for this restriction. Say you decide to use a logo incorporating stock artwork for your open source project or small business. Don't be surprised to get a cease and desist letter down the road from some other business which used the same artwork in their logo and perhaps even trademarked the logo. It doesn't really make sense to use stock art for anything that is supposed to be a unique identity.
ensignavenger 12y ago
I did some quick looking at the stock sites featured in the article: Dreamstime: http://www.dreamstime.com/terms#unauthorized http://www.dreamstime.com/terms#unauthorized Apparently you can use it in a logo, but you cannot trademark it- which resolves the problem of someone trademarking it and suing you- their trademark would be infringing the license. 123rf: http://www.123rf.com/license.php?type=enhanced http://www.123rf.com/license.php?type=enhanced Yes, this license does forbid use on logos, so that designer apparently did indeed violate the license. The designer should have read the fine print. Freelancer: I couldn't find terms for stock work, however, the headline in the screenshot is "travel agency logo" so based on that, it appears it is meant to be a stock logo. So, it appears that 2 out of 3 of the sites do allow us of their artwork in logos. It may not be a good idea, but in these 2 cases, I would not call it stealing. Nor would I expect anything more for 5 bucks.

adventured 12y ago

The only thing I'd add to what you said, is that another common problem with using stock images for a logo, is that sometimes the rights of the stock image that was purchased excludes it from being reused in such things as logos.