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Chrome added an annoying translation feature

76 points by hanifbbz 12y ago

sergers 12y ago
Android chrome. Settings \ content settings \ translate - turn off Desktop chrome. Settings \ advanced \ languages \ unchecked offer to translate
- hanifbbz 12y ago
  Can one translate a page after turning off this feature in Chrome Android?
  - sergers 12y ago
    Only by going through Google translate web page. This disables the popup to turn it on
mahouse 12y ago
This feature is very well designed and the author of this post did not have anything better to write.
- amadeoh 12y ago
  I can assure you that this feature is the reason why I don't use Chrome as my main browser.
  - mahouse 12y ago
    Just disable it in Settings.
    - watwut 12y ago
      Apparently, he just downloaded another browser.
      - hanifbbz 12y ago
        and he's not the only one. apparently other people got bothered by sudden UX degrade in Chrome. Apparently the frequent release cycles made Chrome developers sloppy because the expense of making mistakes seems lees than what they are.
- drdaeman 12y ago
  The primary point of the complaint is that feature is obtrusive to the extent it's annoying - it displays some uncalled popup. If an active suggestion (feature advertisement) is necessary, a single once-in-lifetime "hey, here's a way to translate the page - click this icon if you want to do so [ uh, okay, got it, now stop bugging me ]" (with clicking outside treated as "probably didn't read - remind later again") would be a much better approach.
  - mahouse 12y ago
    How many languages are the webpages you visit written in as to make this feature so annoying?
    - darklajid 12y ago
      English, for one. I'm unsure what point you try to argue here. The author of that post explained what is wrong with the feature. You provided zero arguments against that. Saying 'Nope, you are wrong' is not really helpful. For me this feature is highly annoying and utterly broken. I agree with the author and think his points were well made .
    - drdaeman 12y ago
      Say, I have basic understanding of Japanese language. I will want assistance in many cases, but I can find my way across basic navigation and in some cases can get a grasp of what's written by glancing (i.e. without fighting translation artifacts). What I don't want is a popup slamming into my face on every single Japanese page visit (or even refresh). I'm not shy with my browser (huh), and I will surely ask for help when I want it. The issue is, if I would click "never translate from Japanese" - the icon in address bar would never appear anymore - the feature will be lost. It wouldn't be an issue if there'd be at least an option "don't suggest to translate, but keep the opportunity".
andor 12y ago
Recently Google has added a built-in translation feature to Chrome that has some usability issues. Since these issues haven’t been fixed in the past couple of releases, they might be here to stay. Built-in Google Translate was added in Chrome 4.1 in 2010: http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.de/2010/03/windows-beta-update-translate-and.html http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.de/2010/03/windows-beta...
- drdaeman 12y ago
  The feature's not new but it was redesigned relatively recently. Previously it had showed a notification bar, not that popup dialog. Old UI: http://docs.oseems.com/_media/general/application/chrome/chrome-translate.png http://docs.oseems.com/_media/general/application/chrome/chr... New UI: https://user.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/screenshot-6.png https://user.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/screenshot-6.png In my opinion, new version is prettier, but more annoying as it partially obscures webpage content.
valar_m 12y ago
This would annoy me to no end if it impacted me to any degree. Another annoying feature (new, I think) is auto zooming new tabs/windows I open if I had been zoomed in on the previous page. It doesn't seem like it can be turned off. Also, asking permission to view in full screen is kind of annoying. But an immediately following popup with "www.youtube.com is now full screen" is just obnoxious. We also probably shouldn't begin desensitizing users to clicking "Allow" in non-security situations.
- hanifbbz 12y ago
  The zoom feature seems to be site-wide. i.e. if you have two tabs from the same site, they have the same zoom level. It's a little unexpected. The full-screen popup is also very annoying. +1
tgb 12y ago
This brings up a more general question: why have things pop-up to the top of the screen where it has to push the screen down slightly after versus having it pop to the bottom where it wouldn't be a problem? Do users not see things on the bottom? My memory is that Firefox uses bottom bars a fair amount like for searching in a page but chrome only does for file downloads.
- halviti 12y ago
  Although the change from a top bar to a full-on pop-up box likely had to do with visibility, the biggest problem is that it now steals focus from the user. I don't care where the option is on the screen as long as it's not randomly taking my cursor away from the webpage I'm trying to use.
lyndonh 12y ago
I am not surprised. I tried to add some additional languages to Google (web) preferences to the "Skip translations for" but then the primary language for everything Google was changed to one of my additional languages. I had to go back and change it to default single language.
- hanifbbz 12y ago
  And that happened in a released product. Not sure if Chrome engineers bother to test the product thoroughly now that they have such a quick unobtrusive update system. Updates are bad. They are the reason for the demise of Windows. They ease mistakes for sloppy people.
gorhill 12y ago
The author is spot on, it is annoying. As opposed to the author though, I believe yet another setting is not needed: the translation tool is readily available as an icon in the address bar, so if I want to use that nice translation tool, I can easily just click this icon.
- halviti 12y ago
  It would also be nice if this were a standard option and not just one that appears randomly when the auto-detect succeeds.
  - hanifbbz 12y ago
    Yeah, I really miss this one. Sometimes auto-detect just fails. I had to install another extension (also from google) to fix it. But why load another extension into memory for that?
    - kenjibaheux 12y ago
      The translate feature is always available via the context menu even if the auto-detection fails to deliver.
kps 12y ago
According to http://crbug.com/237522 http://crbug.com/237522 the second time you click 'No' it should offer you a 'Never translate this language' option. Edit: it's under the 'Options' button of the translate popup.
- personlurking 12y ago
  Though he mentions also that he wants to sometimes use the feature, rather than having to deal with the everytime/never options.
tim333 12y ago
Speaking of weird Google UI. I got an odd G+ share thing over my movie selections today with no close button http://imgur.com/lhXgt9z http://imgur.com/lhXgt9z temporary glitch I imagine
- hanifbbz 12y ago
  work of art! :)
halviti 12y ago
To those people who don't browse the internet in multiple languages, allow me to elaborate. With the new translate popup, you have to acknowledge it before you can continue typing. This means always having to press escape or cancel randomly when browsing the majority of webpages you visit. Worse, the popup only shows after the page is fully loaded, so if you are browsing a page that is slow to load for whatever reason, you're sure to get interrupted in the middle of whatever you are doing, and if you were typing something, you aren't anymore because you just lost focus. Now imagine this behavior on nearly every webpage. My options are to disable the translate feature, which I use quite a bit, or to just put up with a crappy user experience, which is what I've been doing. If you live in an English speaking country and only visit the occasional foreign website, you're likely never to notice this problem.
- vilhelm_s 12y ago
  What I don't understand is, why doesn't the "never translate pages in language X" option solve you problem? My own experience is that I often read pages in a couple of languages which I understand well (and don't want auto-translated, so I put those languages on the don't-translate list) and occasionally come across a page that seems interesting in a language what I don't understand (and then the offer to translate is helpful).
  - aboodman 12y ago
    People are often reluctant to execute UI to permanently remember choices because they want to preserve the option to choose in the future. For example, say I have a workable command of French, but want the ability to translate French in the future in case I don't understand a particular paragraph. So I put up with the annoying dialog over and over because I'm afraid to not have it when I want it. Always/never UI is almost always a design failure IMO. Another example is the intent chooser in Android. I put up with the dialog that asks whether I want to use Gallery or G+ photos because I fear not being able to choose in the future when I have some other viewer I want to use, or when there is some particular feature of G+ that I learn about and want to use. In many cases this isn't rational if you think it through. There is probably some UI to reset the intent option somewhere, and finding it then is probably less time overall than dealing with this dialog over and over. But you don't think that through in the moment, you get slightly frustrated, press "not now" again, and get on with whatever you were trying to do.
stevewilhelm 12y ago
Here is an example of an unexpected Google Translate behaviors. I don't recall seeing these behaviors on this page before this week. http://imgur.com/0xPSsfn http://imgur.com/0xPSsfn This report generation tool is displaying names of locations located in the Netherlands, so Chrome suggests translating the page from Dutch to English. I addition, it displays a dialog box asking if there is a better translation of the label for the 'Download CSV' button.
- hanifbbz 12y ago
  and that is one reason people should be able to use Google Translate as a last resort! ;)
- kenjibaheux 12y ago
  One solution would be to use the meta notranslate tag: https://support.google.com/translate/?hl=en#2641276 https://support.google.com/translate/?hl=en#2641276
clubhi 12y ago
I wonder if it's all parts of the US that don't know foreign languages. I went to highschool in Texas and we all had foreign languages since grade 6. Most of us can at least read spanish. My friends that went to a local private school were usually fluent in two other languages. I myself am fluent in Spanish and can read/write Latin/Greek.
- kghose 12y ago
  Never bring reason or facts to block a good America bashing/stereotyping. It ruins the game for everyone.
  - icebraining 12y ago
    Those aren't facts, they're anecdotes. Facts are things like "Just 18 percent of Americans report speaking a language other than English. That's far short of Europe, where 53 percent of citizens speak more than one language." [1] [1] http://www.ed.gov/news/speeches/education-and-language-gap-secretary-arne-duncans-remarks-foreign-language-summit http://www.ed.gov/news/speeches/education-and-language-gap-s...
    - lsaferite 12y ago
      Compare the language prevalence of the US, geography wise, to Europe and perhaps you'll understand the disparity. You basically have to learn multiple languages to some degree in Europe. In the US you can travel larger distances than all of Europe and speak only one language. Additionally, with English being one of the common business languages, you find that many non-English speaking countries learn English. Americans don't need to learn English (well, some might). Should they learn another language or three, of course. Is it necessary for everyday life? No. Most Americans have never left their country and likely never will. The extent of their driving can get them places that speak Spanish and French (maybe Portuguese if they REALLY drive). I get it, Americans are fun to bash for numerous reasons, but it really annoys me when the bashing is not thought through enough to be valid.
      - 12y ago
Jedd 12y ago
An unfortunate trend. Chrome / Chromium have introduced a few non-optional changes recently that seem to have been implemented by North Americans / native English speakers / ex-or-current Microsoft windows users. Any or all of which are annoying for non-North Americans or people that don't use Microsoft Windows. Two that spring to mind - clicking in the URL bar now selects the entire contents. It now has the dubious honour of being the only text entry box in any GNU/Linux application to work that way. Similarly, dragging the scrollbar now has a snap-back feature if you move the mouse more than about 40px from the scrollbar 'region'. Again, the only application on any GNU/Linux DE that abuses the scrollbar in this fashion. Requests by non-MS-Windows users to make these configurable settings, and/or respect OS defaults, are met with disdain.
- hanifbbz 12y ago
  Both issues are valid. Have you tried filing a bug? It's interesting that Google doesn't put a high priority on Linux boxes even though both of their operating systems (ChromeBook and Androids) are based on Linux kernel
  - Jedd 12y ago
    Bugs exist, and are well populated (though I suspect many disgruntled users don't manage to track these things down to the code.google tracker). The bug threads contain a predictable mix of well-reasoned, thoughtful explanations of the problem, polite requests for fixes, impolite and exasperated complaints, and developer responses ranging from 'you're wrong to want the earlier / native OS behaviour' to 'we won't fix it, for reasons'. Snap-back bug 377191 [1] morphed into 377919 [2]. I'm pretty sure the non-intuitive 'snapback' name is an unfortunate and doubtless unintended example of making it harder for users to find, and report their preferences. Looking at those two bug reports, there's at least another half dozen issue #'s that have been merged into these. MS-Windows-like single-click to select the URL (rather than using the mouse as a pointer to position the cursor, as GNU/Linux users seem to be familiar with) bug reports date back a long time [3] with hints that not all the developers agree with the behaviour change (or the refusal to make it an option). Again, it's the kind of thing that people continue to identify and complain about elsewhere, for example on the Google product forums [4]. Just as with this one-time-offer-only, auto-translate pop-up bug -- I really dislike the allegedly modern behaviour of reducing configuration options inside software, while your shipped configuration annoys an ever-increasing section of your user base. The alleged benefit of satisfying the handful of people who are easily bewildered by Settings dialogs is simply perverse. </rant> [1] https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=377191 https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=377191 [2] https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=337919 https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=337919 [3] https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=26140 https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=26140 [4] https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/chrome/AZt9L9dhJhg https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/chrome/AZt9L9...
Already__Taken 12y ago
What happened to the mantra "Never get in the way". Focus stealing spits in the face of everyone who worked so hard to make chrome silently updated like it does.
- hanifbbz 12y ago
  Guess those have left Google long time ago! ;)
marcosdumay 12y ago
It's clippy again! Silently stealing the focus, moving things, and being "completely" helpful is so familiar behavior... It's only missing the avatar. Also, Google keeps translating my queries into my native language. If I search for some English term, odds are I want English pages back. But no, Google disagrees (even when I search for a definition).
- jakub_g 12y ago
  google.com/ncr and you have generic Google without country redirect, it prefers returning English results
Aoyagi 12y ago
I've been seeing that for ages and I'm not a Chrome user. It could be disabled last I checked...
- hanifbbz 12y ago
  Obviously you are not a Chrome user. It's possible to avoid this dialog. However it is quite annoying over a long usage period. And that's where you don't feel the pain ;)
jitl 12y ago
Chrome has a good flow for this already if you want sometimes-translation. If the feature is bothering you, 1. Never translate this language 2. When you want a page translated, click the Translation icon in the URL bar and choose to translate.
klausjensen 12y ago
If I ever want to translate a page to another language, I know how to. So please don't ask me more than once - and let me dismiss it forever. If I ever want to use anything else than google.com to search, even though I am in another country, I know how to change it. So please don't ask me more than once - and let me dismiss it forever. STOP ASKING ME!
- hanifbbz 12y ago
  I hate it when the software becomes some sort of big brother or parent. Trust the user and respect their choices, even if you're designing software for young kids! :D
kenjibaheux 12y ago
I'm Kenji Baheux on the Chrome team and have been overseeing this feature with our UX team. Please accept my apologies for the trouble. We've been listening and are making the following changes: 1. we won't show the infobubble and rely on the omnibox icon if the focus is on an editable field. https://crbug.com/313100 https://crbug.com/313100 (fixed in M36) 2. the infobubble will stop stealing the focus: you will be able to type, perform shortcuts, scroll the page and so on. https://crbug.com/378643 https://crbug.com/378643 3. we are experimenting with the idea of never showing the infobubble again and solely rely on the omnibox icon as soon as we observe more than X negative actions within a given timeframe T (starting with X=2; T=24h) https://crbug.com/379035 https://crbug.com/379035 4. A few other adjustments around the "translated" infobubble (e.g. will not be shown for automatic translation, will not show up if the "translating" infobubble has been dismissed). https://crbug.com/319628 https://crbug.com/319628 I'm eager to hear additional feedback and would appreciate if you could play with the feature in Canary as we land the different changes. I'll take a look at each comments and reply with specific answers where relevant. Oh for the record, I'm French and my Japanese is better than my English ;) Merci d'avance!

76 points by hanifbbz 12y ago

Android chrome. Settings \ content settings \ translate - turn off Desktop chrome. Settings \ advanced \ languages \ unchecked offer to translate

hanifbbz 12y ago
Can one translate a page after turning off this feature in Chrome Android?
- sergers 12y ago
  Only by going through Google translate web page. This disables the popup to turn it on

mahouse 12y ago

This feature is very well designed and the author of this post did not have anything better to write.

amadeoh 12y ago
I can assure you that this feature is the reason why I don't use Chrome as my main browser.
- mahouse 12y ago
  Just disable it in Settings.
  - watwut 12y ago
    Apparently, he just downloaded another browser.
    - hanifbbz 12y ago
      and he's not the only one. apparently other people got bothered by sudden UX degrade in Chrome. Apparently the frequent release cycles made Chrome developers sloppy because the expense of making mistakes seems lees than what they are.
drdaeman 12y ago
The primary point of the complaint is that feature is obtrusive to the extent it's annoying - it displays some uncalled popup. If an active suggestion (feature advertisement) is necessary, a single once-in-lifetime "hey, here's a way to translate the page - click this icon if you want to do so [ uh, okay, got it, now stop bugging me ]" (with clicking outside treated as "probably didn't read - remind later again") would be a much better approach.
- mahouse 12y ago
  How many languages are the webpages you visit written in as to make this feature so annoying?
  - darklajid 12y ago
    English, for one. I'm unsure what point you try to argue here. The author of that post explained what is wrong with the feature. You provided zero arguments against that. Saying 'Nope, you are wrong' is not really helpful. For me this feature is highly annoying and utterly broken. I agree with the author and think his points were well made .
  - drdaeman 12y ago
    Say, I have basic understanding of Japanese language. I will want assistance in many cases, but I can find my way across basic navigation and in some cases can get a grasp of what's written by glancing (i.e. without fighting translation artifacts). What I don't want is a popup slamming into my face on every single Japanese page visit (or even refresh). I'm not shy with my browser (huh), and I will surely ask for help when I want it. The issue is, if I would click "never translate from Japanese" - the icon in address bar would never appear anymore - the feature will be lost. It wouldn't be an issue if there'd be at least an option "don't suggest to translate, but keep the opportunity".

andor 12y ago

Recently Google has added a built-in translation feature to Chrome that has some usability issues. Since these issues haven’t been fixed in the past couple of releases, they might be here to stay. Built-in Google Translate was added in Chrome 4.1 in 2010: http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.de/2010/03/windows-beta-update-translate-and.html http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.de/2010/03/windows-beta...

drdaeman 12y ago
The feature's not new but it was redesigned relatively recently. Previously it had showed a notification bar, not that popup dialog. Old UI: http://docs.oseems.com/_media/general/application/chrome/chrome-translate.png http://docs.oseems.com/_media/general/application/chrome/chr... New UI: https://user.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/screenshot-6.png https://user.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/screenshot-6.png In my opinion, new version is prettier, but more annoying as it partially obscures webpage content.

valar_m 12y ago

This would annoy me to no end if it impacted me to any degree. Another annoying feature (new, I think) is auto zooming new tabs/windows I open if I had been zoomed in on the previous page. It doesn't seem like it can be turned off. Also, asking permission to view in full screen is kind of annoying. But an immediately following popup with "www.youtube.com is now full screen" is just obnoxious. We also probably shouldn't begin desensitizing users to clicking "Allow" in non-security situations.

hanifbbz 12y ago
The zoom feature seems to be site-wide. i.e. if you have two tabs from the same site, they have the same zoom level. It's a little unexpected. The full-screen popup is also very annoying. +1

tgb 12y ago

This brings up a more general question: why have things pop-up to the top of the screen where it has to push the screen down slightly after versus having it pop to the bottom where it wouldn't be a problem? Do users not see things on the bottom? My memory is that Firefox uses bottom bars a fair amount like for searching in a page but chrome only does for file downloads.

halviti 12y ago
Although the change from a top bar to a full-on pop-up box likely had to do with visibility, the biggest problem is that it now steals focus from the user. I don't care where the option is on the screen as long as it's not randomly taking my cursor away from the webpage I'm trying to use.

lyndonh 12y ago

I am not surprised. I tried to add some additional languages to Google (web) preferences to the "Skip translations for" but then the primary language for everything Google was changed to one of my additional languages. I had to go back and change it to default single language.

hanifbbz 12y ago
And that happened in a released product. Not sure if Chrome engineers bother to test the product thoroughly now that they have such a quick unobtrusive update system. Updates are bad. They are the reason for the demise of Windows. They ease mistakes for sloppy people.

gorhill 12y ago

The author is spot on, it is annoying. As opposed to the author though, I believe yet another setting is not needed: the translation tool is readily available as an icon in the address bar, so if I want to use that nice translation tool, I can easily just click this icon.

halviti 12y ago
It would also be nice if this were a standard option and not just one that appears randomly when the auto-detect succeeds.
- hanifbbz 12y ago
  Yeah, I really miss this one. Sometimes auto-detect just fails. I had to install another extension (also from google) to fix it. But why load another extension into memory for that?
  - kenjibaheux 12y ago
    The translate feature is always available via the context menu even if the auto-detection fails to deliver.

kps 12y ago

According to http://crbug.com/237522 http://crbug.com/237522 the second time you click 'No' it should offer you a 'Never translate this language' option. Edit: it's under the 'Options' button of the translate popup.

personlurking 12y ago
Though he mentions also that he wants to sometimes use the feature, rather than having to deal with the everytime/never options.

tim333 12y ago

Speaking of weird Google UI. I got an odd G+ share thing over my movie selections today with no close button http://imgur.com/lhXgt9z http://imgur.com/lhXgt9z temporary glitch I imagine

hanifbbz 12y ago
work of art! :)

halviti 12y ago

To those people who don't browse the internet in multiple languages, allow me to elaborate. With the new translate popup, you have to acknowledge it before you can continue typing. This means always having to press escape or cancel randomly when browsing the majority of webpages you visit. Worse, the popup only shows after the page is fully loaded, so if you are browsing a page that is slow to load for whatever reason, you're sure to get interrupted in the middle of whatever you are doing, and if you were typing something, you aren't anymore because you just lost focus. Now imagine this behavior on nearly every webpage. My options are to disable the translate feature, which I use quite a bit, or to just put up with a crappy user experience, which is what I've been doing. If you live in an English speaking country and only visit the occasional foreign website, you're likely never to notice this problem.

vilhelm_s 12y ago
What I don't understand is, why doesn't the "never translate pages in language X" option solve you problem? My own experience is that I often read pages in a couple of languages which I understand well (and don't want auto-translated, so I put those languages on the don't-translate list) and occasionally come across a page that seems interesting in a language what I don't understand (and then the offer to translate is helpful).
- aboodman 12y ago
  People are often reluctant to execute UI to permanently remember choices because they want to preserve the option to choose in the future. For example, say I have a workable command of French, but want the ability to translate French in the future in case I don't understand a particular paragraph. So I put up with the annoying dialog over and over because I'm afraid to not have it when I want it. Always/never UI is almost always a design failure IMO. Another example is the intent chooser in Android. I put up with the dialog that asks whether I want to use Gallery or G+ photos because I fear not being able to choose in the future when I have some other viewer I want to use, or when there is some particular feature of G+ that I learn about and want to use. In many cases this isn't rational if you think it through. There is probably some UI to reset the intent option somewhere, and finding it then is probably less time overall than dealing with this dialog over and over. But you don't think that through in the moment, you get slightly frustrated, press "not now" again, and get on with whatever you were trying to do.

stevewilhelm 12y ago

Here is an example of an unexpected Google Translate behaviors. I don't recall seeing these behaviors on this page before this week. http://imgur.com/0xPSsfn http://imgur.com/0xPSsfn This report generation tool is displaying names of locations located in the Netherlands, so Chrome suggests translating the page from Dutch to English. I addition, it displays a dialog box asking if there is a better translation of the label for the 'Download CSV' button.

hanifbbz 12y ago
and that is one reason people should be able to use Google Translate as a last resort! ;)
kenjibaheux 12y ago
One solution would be to use the meta notranslate tag: https://support.google.com/translate/?hl=en#2641276 https://support.google.com/translate/?hl=en#2641276

clubhi 12y ago

I wonder if it's all parts of the US that don't know foreign languages. I went to highschool in Texas and we all had foreign languages since grade 6. Most of us can at least read spanish. My friends that went to a local private school were usually fluent in two other languages. I myself am fluent in Spanish and can read/write Latin/Greek.

kghose 12y ago
Never bring reason or facts to block a good America bashing/stereotyping. It ruins the game for everyone.
- icebraining 12y ago
  Those aren't facts, they're anecdotes. Facts are things like "Just 18 percent of Americans report speaking a language other than English. That's far short of Europe, where 53 percent of citizens speak more than one language." [1] [1] http://www.ed.gov/news/speeches/education-and-language-gap-secretary-arne-duncans-remarks-foreign-language-summit http://www.ed.gov/news/speeches/education-and-language-gap-s...
  - lsaferite 12y ago
    Compare the language prevalence of the US, geography wise, to Europe and perhaps you'll understand the disparity. You basically have to learn multiple languages to some degree in Europe. In the US you can travel larger distances than all of Europe and speak only one language. Additionally, with English being one of the common business languages, you find that many non-English speaking countries learn English. Americans don't need to learn English (well, some might). Should they learn another language or three, of course. Is it necessary for everyday life? No. Most Americans have never left their country and likely never will. The extent of their driving can get them places that speak Spanish and French (maybe Portuguese if they REALLY drive). I get it, Americans are fun to bash for numerous reasons, but it really annoys me when the bashing is not thought through enough to be valid.
    - 12y ago

Jedd 12y ago

An unfortunate trend. Chrome / Chromium have introduced a few non-optional changes recently that seem to have been implemented by North Americans / native English speakers / ex-or-current Microsoft windows users. Any or all of which are annoying for non-North Americans or people that don't use Microsoft Windows. Two that spring to mind - clicking in the URL bar now selects the entire contents. It now has the dubious honour of being the only text entry box in any GNU/Linux application to work that way. Similarly, dragging the scrollbar now has a snap-back feature if you move the mouse more than about 40px from the scrollbar 'region'. Again, the only application on any GNU/Linux DE that abuses the scrollbar in this fashion. Requests by non-MS-Windows users to make these configurable settings, and/or respect OS defaults, are met with disdain.

hanifbbz 12y ago
Both issues are valid. Have you tried filing a bug? It's interesting that Google doesn't put a high priority on Linux boxes even though both of their operating systems (ChromeBook and Androids) are based on Linux kernel
- Jedd 12y ago
  Bugs exist, and are well populated (though I suspect many disgruntled users don't manage to track these things down to the code.google tracker). The bug threads contain a predictable mix of well-reasoned, thoughtful explanations of the problem, polite requests for fixes, impolite and exasperated complaints, and developer responses ranging from 'you're wrong to want the earlier / native OS behaviour' to 'we won't fix it, for reasons'. Snap-back bug 377191 [1] morphed into 377919 [2]. I'm pretty sure the non-intuitive 'snapback' name is an unfortunate and doubtless unintended example of making it harder for users to find, and report their preferences. Looking at those two bug reports, there's at least another half dozen issue #'s that have been merged into these. MS-Windows-like single-click to select the URL (rather than using the mouse as a pointer to position the cursor, as GNU/Linux users seem to be familiar with) bug reports date back a long time [3] with hints that not all the developers agree with the behaviour change (or the refusal to make it an option). Again, it's the kind of thing that people continue to identify and complain about elsewhere, for example on the Google product forums [4]. Just as with this one-time-offer-only, auto-translate pop-up bug -- I really dislike the allegedly modern behaviour of reducing configuration options inside software, while your shipped configuration annoys an ever-increasing section of your user base. The alleged benefit of satisfying the handful of people who are easily bewildered by Settings dialogs is simply perverse. </rant> [1] https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=377191 https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=377191 [2] https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=337919 https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=337919 [3] https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=26140 https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=26140 [4] https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/chrome/AZt9L9dhJhg https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/chrome/AZt9L9...

Already__Taken 12y ago

What happened to the mantra "Never get in the way". Focus stealing spits in the face of everyone who worked so hard to make chrome silently updated like it does.

hanifbbz 12y ago
Guess those have left Google long time ago! ;)

marcosdumay 12y ago

It's clippy again! Silently stealing the focus, moving things, and being "completely" helpful is so familiar behavior... It's only missing the avatar. Also, Google keeps translating my queries into my native language. If I search for some English term, odds are I want English pages back. But no, Google disagrees (even when I search for a definition).

jakub_g 12y ago
google.com/ncr and you have generic Google without country redirect, it prefers returning English results

Aoyagi 12y ago

I've been seeing that for ages and I'm not a Chrome user. It could be disabled last I checked...

hanifbbz 12y ago
Obviously you are not a Chrome user. It's possible to avoid this dialog. However it is quite annoying over a long usage period. And that's where you don't feel the pain ;)

jitl 12y ago

Chrome has a good flow for this already if you want sometimes-translation. If the feature is bothering you, 1. Never translate this language 2. When you want a page translated, click the Translation icon in the URL bar and choose to translate.

klausjensen 12y ago

If I ever want to translate a page to another language, I know how to. So please don't ask me more than once - and let me dismiss it forever. If I ever want to use anything else than google.com to search, even though I am in another country, I know how to change it. So please don't ask me more than once - and let me dismiss it forever. STOP ASKING ME!

hanifbbz 12y ago
I hate it when the software becomes some sort of big brother or parent. Trust the user and respect their choices, even if you're designing software for young kids! :D

kenjibaheux 12y ago

I'm Kenji Baheux on the Chrome team and have been overseeing this feature with our UX team. Please accept my apologies for the trouble. We've been listening and are making the following changes: 1. we won't show the infobubble and rely on the omnibox icon if the focus is on an editable field. https://crbug.com/313100 https://crbug.com/313100 (fixed in M36) 2. the infobubble will stop stealing the focus: you will be able to type, perform shortcuts, scroll the page and so on. https://crbug.com/378643 https://crbug.com/378643 3. we are experimenting with the idea of never showing the infobubble again and solely rely on the omnibox icon as soon as we observe more than X negative actions within a given timeframe T (starting with X=2; T=24h) https://crbug.com/379035 https://crbug.com/379035 4. A few other adjustments around the "translated" infobubble (e.g. will not be shown for automatic translation, will not show up if the "translating" infobubble has been dismissed). https://crbug.com/319628 https://crbug.com/319628 I'm eager to hear additional feedback and would appreciate if you could play with the feature in Canary as we land the different changes. I'll take a look at each comments and reply with specific answers where relevant. Oh for the record, I'm French and my Japanese is better than my English ;) Merci d'avance!