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OS X Yosemite

460 points by salimmadjd 12y ago

J-H 12y ago
Really like the new design, but I think the coolest new thing is HandOff. The new Spotlight search is cool, too.
- jeffcox 12y ago
  Agreed. The UI design isn't even worth mentioning if they really make it seamless to go from device to device. I'd love to leave my phone in another room and just use my tablet/computer while at home.
gnmj 12y ago
So basically it is catching up with Windows 8.
- markrages 12y ago
  I think you mean "Aero" on Vista.
- deleted 12y ago
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- threeseed 12y ago
  And eclipsed in many areas. The integration between desktop and phone is pretty powerful.
aneisf 12y ago
The dark UI option is a nice touch.
- k-mcgrady 12y ago
  I wonder how that translates into applications? They just showed the menu bar and dock go dark unless I missed something.
rayiner 12y ago
HandOff is the kind of thing I'm surprised took so long. Honestly, I was expecting MS to get something like it first. After all, your Windows Phone already runs Windows, right?
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  - derekerdmann 12y ago
    What? Then what are the new Universal apps? http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/buildingapps/archive/2014/04/02/extending-platform-commonality-through-universal-windows-apps.aspx http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/buildingapps/archive/2014...
- mcintyre1994 12y ago
  It's like Pushbullet built into both OSes with the polish that entails. Absolutely genius. I hope Google builds Pushbullet or something very similar into Chrome and Android, that integration is awesome.
  - lvillani 12y ago
    AFAIK, PushBullet doesn't allow you to answer phone calls. The closest analogue it comes to my mind is an early demo of Ubuntu for Android in which they showed the ability to reply to SMS messages from within the Unity desktop (although I'm certain I saw a phone call demo too, just can't find a link to the video). However, in that case, both the Ubuntu desktop and Android were running on the same device, so it was easier (still a notable feat for the time). This kind of integration between different devices is far more impressive, though.
    - mcintyre1994 12y ago
      Nope it doesn't - that's an example of where this is much smoother. FWIW MightyText already does SMS (via an app, not proximity) on Android/Chrome - although it's not Apple smooth in terms of replying either. I think the right way to go would be syncing the actions as well as data of Android's rich notifications - things like reply to email/archive from chrome notifications, reply to SMS, hangouts.. It'd be Google's universal apps between Android and Chrome - syncing actions. It'd need a lot of developer support but it'd be fantastic if they pulled it off as well as Apple and supported third parties in a serious way.
cliveowen 12y ago
I think the iOS 7 design looks like a joke, but I'm nonetheless happy they're changing OS X, it needed a renovation.
- sgt 12y ago
  It's so easy to criticize. What did you do?
cosmc 12y ago
I'm not a fan of the flat design personally, but the redesign is pretty sharp. I like the minimal safari UI; its nice when the browser lets the webpage be main focus and I think it is something Safari does best.
- jgillich 12y ago
  Safari looks similar to GNOME Web[1]. Not that this would be bad, I think it's a great UI. [1]: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Web https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Web
dfc 12y ago
> With this new design, OS X...now looks a bit more like iOS 7, but > there is still quite a bit of depth. Indeed, more than flat, the > design almost seems to focus more on translucency than anything else. The above is an incomprehensible collection of words to me. I am not sure if this is because of my lack of an intimate connection to Apple products, terrible writing or some combination of the two.
- Gracana 12y ago
  That does seem to be a bit of a jumble. I think what they're trying to convey is that although it uses flat design like iOS 7, on the desktop it has a feeling of depth due to the layering of translucent UI elements. Maybe.
  - wingerlang 12y ago
    That's what they're doing on iOS7 also.
    - anon4 12y ago
      Yes, but here they pop more.
    - syncsynchalt 12y ago
      Not really. On iOS you can't/don't overlap windows, so its design language never had to describe this relationship. One of the questions floating around for the past few months was whether the next OSX would go in a flatter direction, and if so how they would cue window overlaps. It looks like the answers are (a) yes and (b) using roughly the same shadowing as before, plus translucence.
      - Rudy78 12y ago
        windows/views do overlap on iOS. Apple specifically mentioned translucency when demoing Control Center in iOS6 at WWDC last year. They are using the same playbook for OSX
thisisdallas 12y ago
I honestly don't understand this design direction. I know it's nice to have a change but from the few screens I have seen on the Verge it looks like something that came from one of those "I redesigned OS X" blog posts.
- cmelbye 12y ago
  Probably because those posts took heavy inspiration from the visual appearance of iOS 7, of which the new OS X design is based off of.
buckbova 12y ago
> Apple has done away with the faux-3D shelf look here and has put the icons on a simple translucent background instead. I like the faux 3d dock . . . it'd be nice if this was configurable.
- Gracana 12y ago
  It might be. There are two different style options for it right now, aren't there? [edit] That's not a rhetorical question; I'm not at home with my mac so I don't know for sure.
  - nirnira 12y ago
    There used to be. As of Mavericks, there is no way to customise the look or feel of the default 3D dock style.
- Joeri 12y ago
  When they switched from the 2d dock to the 3d dock a lot of people said the same thing. I like how apple is slowly reversing their design decisions. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the return of the spatial finder ;)
  - cmelbye 12y ago
    Similarities between the new dock and the dock in pre-Leopard is an exception, I think. There is much more not in common design-wise than there is in common.
  - spupy 12y ago
    I tried using the spacial feature of Nautilus, a file manager for Linux. What's your usage of a spatial file manager? I couldn't see it being beneficial to my file browsing in any way. Just curious.
    - currysausage 12y ago
      Valid question, don't know why it was downvoted. The short answer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatial_file_manager#Advantages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatial_file_manager#Advantage... The verbose answer: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2003/04/finder/ http://arstechnica.com/apple/2003/04/finder/
moe 12y ago
I wish Apple would spend their resources on finally fixing some of the most broken fundamentals (photo sync, notifications, finder...), rather than letting Ive further trash the GUI and celebrating that as some sort of accomplishment...
- Jtsummers 12y ago
  Other than Finder, the rest of the keynote seems to have addressed photo sync (nonissue for me so I saw something happened but didn't follow the details), but notifications is getting a big revamp (in experience more than UI it seems). EDIT: The Notifications UI is actually getting customized widgets finally. About damn time.
- ryanSrich 12y ago
  Which keynote are you watching?
- cosmc 12y ago
  Yes, I agree. I think the current OSX UI has timeless quality and this new design feels like a fad design that will look dated in no time. Fixing finder doesn't make for exciting headlines I suppose, and that seems that's what Apple shoots for these day, trying to maintain the innovation image at all costs.
nazca 12y ago
I don't care about flat or transparent. I just hope they effing fix windowing and multi-monitor support. ⌘+` is ridiculously buggy.
- __david__ 12y ago
  How is ⌘` buggy?
  - Synaesthesia 12y ago
    It would be nice to be able to switch between full screen windows with the keyboard.
    - statusgraph 12y ago
      Ctrl + left or right arrow
  - rsync 12y ago
    I don't know which of the two are "buggy", but command-tab and command-tidle have different behaviors: command-tab will let you toggle back and forth between last two apps - sort of a classic alt-tab behavior from Windows and various UNIX WMs. command-tilde goes through your windows in a stack, in one direction, and you have to modify it with shift to go a different way. Further, if you destroy a window after command-tilde to get to it, suddenly the direction gets reversed, and you will then command-tilde back the other direction. So ... one of these is "wrong". I'll leave it to you to decide which. From my perspective, the ability to rapidly switch back and forth between two windows of the same application is valuable, and I hate having to modify it with shift as I go back and forth...
    - ics 12y ago
      In a comment above you said that you're still using Snow Leopard on at least one machine and I can't recall if it works there (though I don't remember the last time this feature changed and I've been using since 10.1)... Command-Shift-` will reverse the order Command-Tab will flip back and forth unless you exceed the delay while still holding command, at which point you can cycle through the stack. Holding shift reverses the direction. That being said, I agree that swapping back and forth in between windows of the same app is very useful and it's a pity that the two features aren't made to work in the same way. I'd like to do a quick Command-` to toggle two windows, or hold it down to see the list of windows for the current app.
morbius 12y ago
Widgets, translucency, and animations... So... OS X 10.10 is... Windows Vista with Aero Glass? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/Windows_Vista.png http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/Windows_Vista....
- devindotcom 12y ago
  First thing I thought of. "Look at how the background beautifully interacts with the translucent menu bar." Didn't we all turn that feature off back in 2007?! Though in fairness that was partly because it was such a hog on Vista. I've left translucency on in Win 7, though it sure isn't a productivity boost and it ain't 'beautiful' either.
  - archagon 12y ago
    Apple people like to mock Aero's translucency, but I... always liked it. Anyone else? Anyone?
    - jonhohle 12y ago
      The first release of OS X had translucent title bars for inactive windows[0] as well as a lot of transparency in sheets, menus and other UI elements. A lot off this was to show off the compositing available in the window manager. I was disappointed when more and more became opaque over time and am glad to see the return of translucency. 0 - http://media.soundonsound.com/sos/dec00/images/appleosx.l.gif http://media.soundonsound.com/sos/dec00/images/appleosx.l.gi...
      - reubenmorais 12y ago
        A lot of it still is translucent, just not a lot. The menus, in-app sheets (save dialog, go-to-path in Finder, etc), Spotlight results panel, the Dock…
    - digitailor 12y ago
      Yes, I agree. I'm a professional visual designer, FWIW. After 22 years on Macintosh, I've completely transitioned to Crunchbang on a MacBook Pro and a Windows 7/Crunchbang dual-boot workstation. I really like the translucency and general look of Win7. I had started to feel like OS X was visually dated, but more importantly, harming my workflow. For development and design, I am working nearly twice as fast in the OS using Crunchbang, and I've made it look and behave just the way I want it to. OS X is completely non-configurable! Since the only thing I need a consumer OS for at this point is for digital audio, I moved to Win7 as I wasn't about to lay out the $$ for the new, unfathomable, Mac Pro. What is that thing anyway? I worked with a guy in a metal shop to customize a case for my new workstation, tricked it out with an internal pro audio interface with exposed preamps and 1/4" jacks, and made it a 3U rack-mount. That versus a garbage can? That being said, my 2007 Mac Pro is still ticking and I've been able to upgrade it considerably, though changing the processor was a PITA. It's still on 10.6.8- what I consider the high-water mark of OS X- but I would need Mavericks now, and that needs a 64-bit bootloader. (Couldn't use the hack for this since I have a flashed PC GPU in it and that precludes the hack.) Like I said, I can't fathom buying a new Mac Pro. The way I see it, Apple is just for consumer devices now, and I love 'em. My iPad is critical to my workflow. OS X? Considered harmful. And visually dated!
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currysausage 12y ago
Am I the only one here who hates to see Lucida Grande be replaced with Neue Helvetica Aslightaspossible? Eager to see how it looks on non-retina displays.
- selectodude 12y ago
  I have to imagine that the next MacBook Air will have a retina display, and there will be a different font used on non-retina computers, same as the iPad.
- hadrien01 12y ago
  It looks awful :( Just when Twitter has finally ditched that font.
- pilif 12y ago
  > Eager to see how it looks on non-retina displays. It looks horrible. Very blurry and some of the new menu bar icons are barely visible (like the time machine one). I really hope they won't launch like this. Either they will finally make big external retina displays or they will have to fix the fonts and icons. http://www.pilif.ch/menu.png http://www.pilif.ch/menu.png
- OWaz 12y ago
  I'm with you. Helvetica Neue in the screenshots looks like placeholder text, waiting for some better typeface to be applied.
  - Perceval 12y ago
    Gruber seems to think that they have been developing an in-house font called Apple Sans: http://daringfireball.net/2014/06/wwdc_2014_prelude http://daringfireball.net/2014/06/wwdc_2014_prelude
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ChikkaChiChi 12y ago
In 2 years when they announce iOS X (10), I expect that will be when apps can only be loaded from the App Store and their vertical integration will be complete.
EGreg 12y ago
Yep, Apple still hasn't learned that iOS Flat is Apple's Vista. Windows users used Vista DESPITE aero not because of it. So now they added it to Mac. If I can keep from upgrading, I will.
jordigh 12y ago
So... Oh Ess Ten Ten Point Ten? Is that how it's pronounced? I suppose it's better than OS X X.X.
- e40 12y ago
  They already dropped the first ten. It's OS 10.10.
  - bliggity 12y ago
    Apple is definitely printing "OS X 10.10": http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2014/05/osxyosemitefall.jpg http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2014/05/osxyosemitefall...
    - Watabou 12y ago
      That is not an official Apple image.
  - __david__ 12y ago
    They certainly haven't dropped the X. https://developer.apple.com/osx/whats-new/ https://developer.apple.com/osx/whats-new/ On the download page they call it "OS X v10.10"
- xtian 12y ago
  You wouldn't call it Windows Eight Eight Point One, would you?
- bliggity 12y ago
  I think printing it as "OS X 10.10" is just a shorthand for "OS X (10.10)", which is necessary since combining roman numerals and digits (i.e. 'OS X.10') is awkward. You would still say it as "Oh ess ten point ten."
- frik 12y ago
  OS X (previously Mac OS X) is the successor of Mac OS 9. X stands for 10 in roman numerals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_numerals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_numerals For marketing reasons (as some don't know about roman numerals), Apple writes it like this OS X 10.9 or now OS X 10.10 or OS X Yosemite (instead of Mac OS X.10 or Mac OS 10.10).
scrumper 12y ago
Not a great article: new features trumpeted include Spotlight's ability to search for mail messages and contacts, and a Private Browsing mode for Spotlight - both of which are pretty long-standing features. These things tend to get rushed out, but maybe TC could have waited just a few more minutes to weed out the obvious stinkers.
- kylec 12y ago
  Was this originally a TC link? Because it now points to the Apple.com page for OS X Yosemite, and some of the comments elsewhere in this thread no longer make sense. I didn't know it was possible for mods to change the link associated with a story, and now that I know I wish they wouldn't do it.
  - scrumper 12y ago
    It was a pretty crappy TechCrunch story, yes. My comment is therefore invalid now, so it might be a good idea for a mod to kill it.
homulilly 12y ago
I know it's hardly the most important thing in an operating system but god that looks ugly. This dumb flat fad cannot end soon enough. I hope mavericks get security updates for awhile because I don't have plans to upgrade.
forgetcolor 12y ago
translucency is the new glossy screen---it looks cool at first, but in practice makes what you’re looking at harder to see
- UVB-76 12y ago
  I wouldn't say that's the case with iOS (and now OS X Yosemite) translucency. This isn't like the Vista Aero catastrophe.
bane 12y ago
I'm really looking forward to this. Unlike iOS7, the flatter design here doesn't make me feel like a bunch of amateur artists got a hold of a free copy of Adobe Illustrator. I actually like the new look quite a bit. Now, to pray that they've made some under the hood progress on multi-monitor support. Moving work back and forth from desktop to mobile also sounds really amazing. I get a hint of it when working with gmail or drive, but this sounds much more deeply integrated. Google will have to respond, and this makes me happy.
- mwarkentin 12y ago
  There were multi-monitor updates in Mavericks - fixed most of my issues. What's still an issue for you?
  - bane 12y ago
    It's "better" in so much as I can full screen two things now instead of looking at a useless monitor full of fake fabric. I also have two spaces and things don't really quite work right. I'm not quite sure how to make it work better, but it almost never does what I mean right now.
  - yeldarb 12y ago
    This: http://superuser.com/questions/665004/how-do-you-prevent-the-dock-from-switching-monitors-in-osx-mavericks http://superuser.com/questions/665004/how-do-you-prevent-the...
    - fernandotakai 12y ago
      another two: * when you fullscreen a window, there's a white (sometimes black) bar where the menu bar used to be * app switcher changes monitor depending on the monitor you last used the dock (which makes no actual sense).
      - gnachman 12y ago
        That first one happens if an app is built with an SDK older than 10.9.
dev1n 12y ago
If possible, could someone from the Apple community please tell me if Yosemite will be faster / lighter than snow leopard? I don't want an OS that requires 8 gigs of ram to run "fast" like Mavericks requires.
- rsync 12y ago
  You need to come to grips with the fact that SL was the high-water mark for OS coherency/consistency/quality from Apple. You can't pour all of this time and energy into iOS and phones and still make something as clean as SL. Which is too bad. FWIW, I continue to run SL on an early 2009 Mac Pro with no problems or annoyances ... hope that can continue.
  - jitl 12y ago
    I left the Apple ecosystem when I couldn't move up from my 2006 Macbook Pro and stay with Snow Leopard. Mission Control was such a huge step back for window management in my opinion. I much preferred Expose'ing all my windows across all my spaces, or being able to quickly read content from a covered window while writing an email. The improvements shown today (especially the phone integration and Swift) are making me think about returning.
  - unicornporn 12y ago
    I guess you can, until you run into a piece of software that wont run on SL. SL is my favorite OS X version by far too. But Lightroom 5 requires 10.7, so that's where I'm at now...
    - fernandotakai 12y ago
      i wish i could stay on SL -- spaces was quite awesome, expose worked better, really lightweight and fast. i stayed on SL for as long as I could (aka had to upgrade my computer).
- Angostura 12y ago
  Eh what? My wife is running Mavericks on a 3 gigs 2007 iMac and it runs at roughly the same speed as SL.
davis_m 12y ago
Spotlight seems an awful lot like Alfred now. http://www.alfredapp.com/ http://www.alfredapp.com/
- mhurron 12y ago
  It reminded me of Sherlock. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherlock_%28software%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherlock_%28software%29
- sdfjkl 12y ago
  Alfred does a lot more than that. But yes, the inspiration is obvious (and Alfred itself was inspired by Quicksilver).
  - leejoramo 12y ago
    Which was inspired by LaunchBar. The cmd-space keyboard shortcut originated with LaunchBar back in the NeXT days. Spotlight has had added features repeatedly over the years, and people have said that LaunchBar/QuickSliver/Alfred are about to be "Sherlocked".
    - chanced 12y ago
      > Sherlocked: > To have developed a product and just started shipping it, only to have Apple come along and provide exactly the same functionality in a system update. > It happened to Karelia Software twice. Once with Sherlock and again with iWeb.
- joshschreuder 12y ago
  Alfred devs respond: http://blog.alfredapp.com/2014/06/02/alfred-and-os-x-10-10-yosemite/ http://blog.alfredapp.com/2014/06/02/alfred-and-os-x-10-10-y...
dang 12y ago
Url changed from http://techcrunch.com/2014/06/02/apple-announces-os-x-yosemite-with-translucent-flatter-design-updated-notification-center-and-more/ http://techcrunch.com/2014/06/02/apple-announces-os-x-yosemi....
klrr 12y ago
Those bars looks surprisingly close to GNOMEs' ones.
- espadrine 12y ago
  This browser looks surprisingly close to GNOME's one. https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Web?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Web-3.12.png https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Web?action=AttachFile&do=get&tar... http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/IMG_9664.jpg http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/IMG_96...
  - sbuk 12y ago
    It looks virtually identical to the iPad one. http://media.idownloadblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/ios-7-ipad-safari.png http://media.idownloadblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/io...
eurleif 12y ago
Which parts of the front window in this screenshot[0] are draggable? Maybe this is just me, but I don't like how the titlebar and window contents are visually merged. [0] https://www.apple.com/osx/preview/images/overview_design_hero.jpg https://www.apple.com/osx/preview/images/overview_design_her...
- sdfjkl 12y ago
  That bothers me a bit too. Maybe because I still can't tell what bit of an IOS7 app is button and what isn't (even with the "accessibility" fix they're not all shown properly).
- hrktb 12y ago
  Agreed. It seems to miss a step, some additional stuff that they couldn't include now but would have made the design complete. For instance it would work if one could drag any area of a window that doesn't react to a click (like the white space between the bubbles in the chat window). Or additional gestures to easily rearrange/move the windows, something like three finger scroll make the window follow the fingers instead of back/forward.
  - mh- 12y ago
    you mean like "Three finger drag" in the first tab of the Trackpad preferences? :)
    - hrktb 12y ago
      Yes, exactly, but working on anything on the window, on not just the title/status bar.
- aroman 12y ago
  All of them — everywhere that isn't another control. Apple stole this design wholesale from GTK[1], but I think it's a superior paradigm anyway, so I don't really mind. [1] https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/3.10/GtkHeaderBar.html https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/3.10/GtkHeaderBar.html
iwasakabukiman 12y ago
I wonder how legacy apps will look? I'm assuming it will work the same was as iOS 6 apps do on iOS 7, where they just run the same as they did before and look like older apps. That's going to be a confusing transition. Although it might shame app developers into updating their apps.
- sdfjkl 12y ago
  This isn't the first time OS X has changed the looks of title bars[1]. Typically the transition is eased a lot by a) Cocoa works it out for you and b) an active developer community that is provided with early access. So by the time the OS is released to the general public, most apps have already been adapted. [1] http://www.guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/desktop/full/macosx100.png http://www.guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/desktop/full/macosx...
nodata 12y ago
Yawn Come on Apple, you can do better. Innovate!
jevgeni 12y ago
This is awesome, but can we talk about the very scary looking folder icons?
- robinson-wall 12y ago
  Oh yikes, I missed that. They're pretty garish: https://www.apple.com/osx/preview/design/images/apps-gallery/osx_design_view_finder.jpg https://www.apple.com/osx/preview/design/images/apps-gallery...
  - columbo 12y ago
    Eh... Wow! Looks like they decided the hell with it and installed xfce (http://cdn.xfce.org/frontpage/slider-desktop.jpg http://cdn.xfce.org/frontpage/slider-desktop.jpg)
- general_failure 12y ago
  They remind me of KDEs oxygen theme. Outright scary.
  - jeorgun 12y ago
    I assume you mean the old, pre-4.7 design[1]? Interestingly, Oxygen itself ditched those for a less glossy design that had always reminded me of the (now old!) OSX icons. Not really sure what to make of that. [1] http://icons.iconarchive.com/icons/oxygen-icons.org/oxygen/256/Places-folder-icon.png http://icons.iconarchive.com/icons/oxygen-icons.org/oxygen/2... [2] http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Wemowf_4MrE/TjsIa4wrZeI/AAAAAAAAA1Y/H9WaLr85XeY/s400/folder.png http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Wemowf_4MrE/TjsIa4wrZeI/AAAAAAAAA1...
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rsync 12y ago
Ironic that the official apple page for Yosemite shows it running a macbook air, which hasn't seen a cosmetic or design update in ... 6 years ? 2009 was when they removed the physical mouse button...
- tachion 12y ago
  And what would you like to change in MacBook Air in terms of design? The only thing I can think of are very minor, evolutionary changes, but other than that, this machine is perfect (or very close to it) for what it stands for - very portable computer. On the other hand, there's plenty to do around the OS X.
  - rsync 12y ago
    Retina screen. The WWDC announcement that we've waited for for three consecutive iterations (two years). Two years ago was overly optimistic. Last year was exasperating. This year is just pathetic. So yeah, not a design change, I guess, just retina griping.
  - bronson 12y ago
    How about allowing the lid to open 180 degrees? I can't curl up on the couch with my Air nearly as well as I could with my Thinkpad. Or making it so the palm rests don't suck all the heat out of my hands? Or smooth the sharp edge so it doesn't sometimes dig grooves into my wrists? And, ffs, retina? True, the Air is still the best portable laptop going (Intel should be downright ashamed of their Ultrabook fizzle). But very close to perfect? Not yet.
    - lostlogin 12y ago
      None of this bothers me in the slightest. But for the love of Christ, move the damned power button. Accidentally hitting that makes me so very sad.
bronson 12y ago
Ye gods, is this the end of Chicago?
- meepmorp 12y ago
  Chicago hasn't been the system font for roughly 14 years.
  - bronson 12y ago
    Ha, you're right. I guess something about how Lucida Grande is rendered, plus all the formative years spent on a Mac Plus, made it so I've been seeing Chicago this whole time. I'm feeling rather shaken right now.
    - meepmorp 12y ago
      It's ok. I miss Chicago, honestly.
quackerhacker 12y ago
The upgrades to Safari look amazing! [0] Less chrome, Javascript benchmarks (impressive), and the spotlight search in the url...nice! I hope Apple changes the zoom button to maximize the screen. [0] https://www.apple.com/osx/preview/apps/ https://www.apple.com/osx/preview/apps/
- lcnmrn 12y ago
  Zoom/maximize screen button is now replaced by the full screen button.
- hadrien01 12y ago
  Looks like Epiphany, the Gnome browser... [0] Actually, a lot of OS X Yosemite borrows from Gnome's Gtk+, like headerbars [1] [0] http://i.imgur.com/xBof95c.png http://i.imgur.com/xBof95c.png [1] https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/3.10/GtkHeaderBar.html https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/3.10/GtkHeaderBar.html
  - arrrg 12y ago
    Apple has been toying with putting toolbar controls into the title bar for a long, long time. E.g. Mac App Store. iTunes at various times. It just was never the default.
- spyder 12y ago
  Oh, the JSBench performance: Safari: 6.5x Chrome: 1.1x Firefox: 1x
- dareiff 12y ago
  Hold the option key for older behavior.
- unfamiliar 12y ago
  Safari is one of the places where the zoom button makes the most sense. Rarely do I want to read text that is the whole screen width.
sdfjkl 12y ago
I just hope there's a setting to turn off all this translunacy[sp!].
- Karunamon 12y ago
  I hope you don't mind if I steal that word for future (ab)use. A great description of some modern plagues on design...
- blister 12y ago
  System Preferences > Accessibility [Display] -> Check "Reduce Transparency"
bratsche 12y ago
Since nobody has mentioned it yet here, I'm really glad to see AirDrop will finally work between OSX and iOS. It's bothered me for awhile that they have these two different things called "AirDrop" which were not compatible with one another.
- jpace121 12y ago
  The lack of AirDrop integration before is probably one of the obnoxious things Apple has done recently. I'm really excited for this simple new feature.
  - jsz0 12y ago
    > one of the obnoxious things Apple has done recently AirDrop pre-iOS8 (iCloud Drive, Extensibility) would have been almost totally useless or at minimum required developers to waste time supporting a temporary solution.
    - bruceboughton 12y ago
      AirDrop is a end-user feature above all else provided by the OS. It's not true that it would have required developers to support a temporary solution. My understanding is that on OS X AirDrop was wi-fi only but on iOS it used a combination of wi-fi and Bluetooth.
sgt 12y ago
OS X Yosemite - call me impressed. Favorite features: HandOff, phone calling feature, Markup, Safari improvements... Oh yes, and AirDrop now working between OS X and iOS. At last.
ambler0 12y ago
Does anyone have a link to a screen shot of the new "dark mode"? If I've seen it, I didn't notice it.
- adamcw 12y ago
  This is the only one I've seen: http://d35lb3dl296zwu.cloudfront.net/uploads/photo/image/16225/DSC_0848.jpg http://d35lb3dl296zwu.cloudfront.net/uploads/photo/image/162... It was linked in The Verge's live blog.
bitL 12y ago
The race of the uglies - OS X Yosemite vs Windows 8.1 - is on! :-D
- jiggy2011 12y ago
  The flatter design looks more like older versions of OS X. http://cdn.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/10.3.9-Panther.jpg http://cdn.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/10.3.9-P...
  - bitL 12y ago
    Sorry, this was just a jab at the flat-design trend nowadays ;-) I use OS X only since 10.7 so I didn't have any exposure to its previous versions.
easydev 12y ago
Hopfully it will be more stable than os x mavericks
AaronFriel 12y ago
I am deeply disappointed by the "development" of OS X. It seems that Apple has long ago gutted their x86 OS group due to dwindling profits and lack of real competition. There are a handful of reasons people buy a Mac, and I would largely put them into three groups: * Students looking for a stable and/or sexy device for their university. * Artists using applications that don't exist on other platforms (or that prioritize Mac platforms). * Hackers that want a Unix-like system with a BSD userland, or want Anything But Windows on a laptop. Sadly, these groups are small groups with eclectic needs that won't be met or improved by real systems engineering with the kernel and core modules. What do I mean by real systems engineering? * Major kernel development * Novel and/or modern filesystem support * Fundamental or deeply integrated "platform" features In Linux land, every major kernel release brings these features. There are tangible improvements to filesystems, to core features that enable new things to be developed on top of them in every Linux release. These are, largely, absent on OS X. The system is too closed, and the result is that things like Time Machine or even security features and ACLs are hacks upon hacks. Full disk encryption and home folder support is, again, hack-ish, and largely built on work other people did. OS snapshots is essentially an "rsync" to another drive with a smart "restore" utility that repairs changes. The major kernel development that Microsoft undertook with Windows Server 2003 and Vista is still paying dividends. Folder shadow copies became integrated into fully consistent backups with built-in snapshots. Full disk encryption improved - though home folder encryption is still tragically stuck with NTFS "EFS" support (lackluster, at best.) UAC, AppLocker, and integrity levels brought foundational improvements to the security model. Networking stack changes brought DirectAccess, a woefully underused and under-marketed technology. Storage Spaces and ReFS, though years too late, are interesting alternatives to ZFS/BTRFS. Transactional NTFS was woefully underused, but maybe it will return with ReFS. The core improvements Microsoft is making to the NT kernel are still worthwhile, though. Hyper-V is a fantastic technology, and could really blow people's minds when it's baked into the client OS. (For reference, Hyper-V powers the Xbox One's dual app/game personality. It allows isolating the management OS from games running on it, and also keeps the management OS from interfering with game performance with resource limiting. And they both share high performance access to the GPU.) Ah, I could go on. Reading about new stuff in kernel development is a joy. Of course, I could go on ad nauseum about Linux changes since 3.0x, but http://kernelnewbies.org/ http://kernelnewbies.org/ does a better job than I will. The result is tragic: Microsoft invested in platform features and then didn't sell users on what it could do with Vista. Apple continues to apply lipstick to the OS X pig and sell users on changes to the window manager and built-in applications.
whatevsbro 12y ago
This new stuff from Apple is disgusting. Everything is connected, everything goes online. Spotlight, HomeKit, HealthKit etc will all send information on you to Google, Apple, advertisers, insurance companies and governments. It's never been more convenient to let governments track absolutely everything about you - your location, the temperature inside your apartment, your heart rate, your interests & worries, your communications.. everything. Combine this with driverless cars. You write a chat message on your iPhone that offends your government's sensibilities, and after a few seconds, your car will lock its doors and promptly drive you to the nearest gulag.
andy_ppp 12y ago
My wish list is per project spaces, such that: 1) a copy of mail, tasks, text editor/IDE, preview etc. Can all be opened that are specific to a project/space, say. 2) Multiple copies of apps filtered by their project 3) mail only shows emails about/from/in association with the current project 4) preview/photoshop shows project assets, these are shared in the ether via iCloud, you can see designers working on things in realtime 5) I switch spaces and they are all saved/restorable after reboot 6) developer Apis for this! Wishful thinking I guess :-)
joeblau 12y ago
How do you enable dark mode? I'm on 10.10 and I can't find it anywhere.
- lisnake 12y ago
  I don't know about the dark mode, but can you answer, is 10.10 stable enough? I'd like to try it on my home system
  - bbrks 12y ago
    I've just tried it on my 2014 15" rMBP and I'd say it's too unstable and buggy for use as your primary OS. I'm now back to Mavericks.
oneweirdtrick 12y ago
Will the syncing of Mac and iOS have a significant impact on the battery life of the iPhone? I noticed MightyText takes up significant energy on my Nexus 5.
janvidar 12y ago
Yosemite? This doesn't sound feline!
- evan_ 12y ago
  Neither does "Mavericks" - they switched last year to "Places in California".
spacemanmatt 12y ago
I hope they will be offering a cosmetic repair to this fugly monster. I already miss Mavericks AND I'M STILL RUNNING IT.
purephase 12y ago
Folks using vmware fusion be warned, it does not work with Yosemite.
crymer11 12y ago
Hopefully they've spent some time on Messages; it's by far the buggiest app of theirs I've used in quite some time.
- X-Istence 12y ago
  There are a lot of changes in Messages, for one, it will also be able to send/receive SMS's if you have an iPhone to pair it with.
- mweibel 12y ago
  +1 I hope that they finally fix groupchats across devices. Always have about 5 different conversations with the same 2 people and each message goes seemingly randomly in one conversation.
DAddYE 12y ago
For those interested, the translucent effect can be disabled in Accessibility flagging "reduce transparency".
ksk 12y ago
The Handoff feature is interesting. I hope its not just some lame cloud sync that takes ages to sync because your 3G/wifi is spotty. For e.g. If I was writing an email in Mail.app I'd want to be able to shut my mac and resume writing on my iphone exactly where I left off. Same with Safari and other shared apps.
allan_ 12y ago
As seen on a the screenshot for the new notification center calendar, the Life of an Apple user begins at 10:00 with a crossfit session. After that it is not that you go to work then. Relaxing talk with Anne on the phone, maybe talking a little business on the side, but not to rough. After Lunch you do not start to work either. Just let out all those wise thoughts gathered while living your apple lifestyle in a fresh stream, like you do.
nicolime 12y ago
Share the latest about Swift here! Be part of the biggest page for the language. Looking for admins. https://www.facebook.com/swiftofficial https://www.facebook.com/swiftofficial
ssivark 12y ago
Wait... is it just me, or do the apps and window designs look very much like Gnome3 (circa 3.12)??? Compare pictures: 1. https://www.apple.com/osx/preview/apps/ https://www.apple.com/osx/preview/apps/ 2. https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/Apps/ https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/Apps/ (Web, Chat, Mail, etc.)
- iSnow 12y ago
  I dunno, I think this refers back to http://arstechnica.com/apple/2002/09/macosx-10-2/10/#brushed-metal http://arstechnica.com/apple/2002/09/macosx-10-2/10/#brushed... minus the texture.
300 12y ago
Again, I came to the same conclusion like many times before. Apple does have the best hardware (talking about notebooks), but that's where the story ends. I found a combination of MacBook Pro with Linux, as the only good use of Apple hardware.
- unfamiliar 12y ago
  Completely the opposite for me. Now that I am used to all the pleasantries of OS X, it is painful to try and get anything done on a linux computer. I end up ignoring whatever disaster of a desktop environment is installed and living in the terminal.
crag 12y ago
I'd be happy if they fixed Mail's connection to Exchange (drops randomly - a know issue), or the terribly slow SMB - mounting Windows drives is just a nightmare. There is a fix, more like a hack really, forcing the OS to use an earlier version of SMB. Fix those two and I'm there.
- snowwrestler 12y ago
  Are you talking about Mavericks? I'm still on Mountain Lion and Windows drives take a little while, but I wouldn't call it a nightmare. I guess what I'm asking is: did SMB get worse on Mavericks?
  - bombtrack 12y ago
    Yes, Mavericks started using SMB2 which has many reported performance issues [0]. Most people experiencing it can work around this by using cifs:// instead of smb:// or disabling SMB2 and reverting to using SMB1 [1]. [0] https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5470025?start=0&tstart=0 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5470025?start=0&tstart=... [1] http://cammodude.blogspot.com/2013/10/os-x-109-mavericks-workaround-for-smb.html http://cammodude.blogspot.com/2013/10/os-x-109-mavericks-wor...
mkohlmyr 12y ago
Is the name a subtle reference to how its going to blow? I'll see myself out. I'm sure it will be extremely solid, it looks really nice. For me I'll stick with linux / linux vms, though.

OS X Yosemite

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J-H 12y ago

Really like the new design, but I think the coolest new thing is HandOff. The new Spotlight search is cool, too.

jeffcox 12y ago
Agreed. The UI design isn't even worth mentioning if they really make it seamless to go from device to device. I'd love to leave my phone in another room and just use my tablet/computer while at home.

gnmj 12y ago

So basically it is catching up with Windows 8.

markrages 12y ago
I think you mean "Aero" on Vista.
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threeseed 12y ago
And eclipsed in many areas. The integration between desktop and phone is pretty powerful.

aneisf 12y ago

The dark UI option is a nice touch.

k-mcgrady 12y ago
I wonder how that translates into applications? They just showed the menu bar and dock go dark unless I missed something.

rayiner 12y ago

HandOff is the kind of thing I'm surprised took so long. Honestly, I was expecting MS to get something like it first. After all, your Windows Phone already runs Windows, right?

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- derekerdmann 12y ago
  What? Then what are the new Universal apps? http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/buildingapps/archive/2014/04/02/extending-platform-commonality-through-universal-windows-apps.aspx http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/buildingapps/archive/2014...
mcintyre1994 12y ago
It's like Pushbullet built into both OSes with the polish that entails. Absolutely genius. I hope Google builds Pushbullet or something very similar into Chrome and Android, that integration is awesome.
- lvillani 12y ago
  AFAIK, PushBullet doesn't allow you to answer phone calls. The closest analogue it comes to my mind is an early demo of Ubuntu for Android in which they showed the ability to reply to SMS messages from within the Unity desktop (although I'm certain I saw a phone call demo too, just can't find a link to the video). However, in that case, both the Ubuntu desktop and Android were running on the same device, so it was easier (still a notable feat for the time). This kind of integration between different devices is far more impressive, though.
  - mcintyre1994 12y ago
    Nope it doesn't - that's an example of where this is much smoother. FWIW MightyText already does SMS (via an app, not proximity) on Android/Chrome - although it's not Apple smooth in terms of replying either. I think the right way to go would be syncing the actions as well as data of Android's rich notifications - things like reply to email/archive from chrome notifications, reply to SMS, hangouts.. It'd be Google's universal apps between Android and Chrome - syncing actions. It'd need a lot of developer support but it'd be fantastic if they pulled it off as well as Apple and supported third parties in a serious way.

cliveowen 12y ago

I think the iOS 7 design looks like a joke, but I'm nonetheless happy they're changing OS X, it needed a renovation.

sgt 12y ago
It's so easy to criticize. What did you do?

cosmc 12y ago

I'm not a fan of the flat design personally, but the redesign is pretty sharp. I like the minimal safari UI; its nice when the browser lets the webpage be main focus and I think it is something Safari does best.

jgillich 12y ago
Safari looks similar to GNOME Web[1]. Not that this would be bad, I think it's a great UI. [1]: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Web https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Web

dfc 12y ago

> With this new design, OS X...now looks a bit more like iOS 7, but > there is still quite a bit of depth. Indeed, more than flat, the > design almost seems to focus more on translucency than anything else. The above is an incomprehensible collection of words to me. I am not sure if this is because of my lack of an intimate connection to Apple products, terrible writing or some combination of the two.

Gracana 12y ago
That does seem to be a bit of a jumble. I think what they're trying to convey is that although it uses flat design like iOS 7, on the desktop it has a feeling of depth due to the layering of translucent UI elements. Maybe.
- wingerlang 12y ago
  That's what they're doing on iOS7 also.
  - anon4 12y ago
    Yes, but here they pop more.
  - syncsynchalt 12y ago
    Not really. On iOS you can't/don't overlap windows, so its design language never had to describe this relationship. One of the questions floating around for the past few months was whether the next OSX would go in a flatter direction, and if so how they would cue window overlaps. It looks like the answers are (a) yes and (b) using roughly the same shadowing as before, plus translucence.
    - Rudy78 12y ago
      windows/views do overlap on iOS. Apple specifically mentioned translucency when demoing Control Center in iOS6 at WWDC last year. They are using the same playbook for OSX

thisisdallas 12y ago

I honestly don't understand this design direction. I know it's nice to have a change but from the few screens I have seen on the Verge it looks like something that came from one of those "I redesigned OS X" blog posts.

cmelbye 12y ago
Probably because those posts took heavy inspiration from the visual appearance of iOS 7, of which the new OS X design is based off of.

buckbova 12y ago

> Apple has done away with the faux-3D shelf look here and has put the icons on a simple translucent background instead. I like the faux 3d dock . . . it'd be nice if this was configurable.

Gracana 12y ago
It might be. There are two different style options for it right now, aren't there? [edit] That's not a rhetorical question; I'm not at home with my mac so I don't know for sure.
- nirnira 12y ago
  There used to be. As of Mavericks, there is no way to customise the look or feel of the default 3D dock style.
Joeri 12y ago
When they switched from the 2d dock to the 3d dock a lot of people said the same thing. I like how apple is slowly reversing their design decisions. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the return of the spatial finder ;)
- cmelbye 12y ago
  Similarities between the new dock and the dock in pre-Leopard is an exception, I think. There is much more not in common design-wise than there is in common.
- spupy 12y ago
  I tried using the spacial feature of Nautilus, a file manager for Linux. What's your usage of a spatial file manager? I couldn't see it being beneficial to my file browsing in any way. Just curious.
  - currysausage 12y ago
    Valid question, don't know why it was downvoted. The short answer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatial_file_manager#Advantages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatial_file_manager#Advantage... The verbose answer: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2003/04/finder/ http://arstechnica.com/apple/2003/04/finder/

moe 12y ago

I wish Apple would spend their resources on finally fixing some of the most broken fundamentals (photo sync, notifications, finder...), rather than letting Ive further trash the GUI and celebrating that as some sort of accomplishment...

Jtsummers 12y ago
Other than Finder, the rest of the keynote seems to have addressed photo sync (nonissue for me so I saw something happened but didn't follow the details), but notifications is getting a big revamp (in experience more than UI it seems). EDIT: The Notifications UI is actually getting customized widgets finally. About damn time.
ryanSrich 12y ago
Which keynote are you watching?
cosmc 12y ago
Yes, I agree. I think the current OSX UI has timeless quality and this new design feels like a fad design that will look dated in no time. Fixing finder doesn't make for exciting headlines I suppose, and that seems that's what Apple shoots for these day, trying to maintain the innovation image at all costs.

nazca 12y ago

I don't care about flat or transparent. I just hope they effing fix windowing and multi-monitor support. ⌘+` is ridiculously buggy.

__david__ 12y ago
How is ⌘` buggy?
- Synaesthesia 12y ago
  It would be nice to be able to switch between full screen windows with the keyboard.
  - statusgraph 12y ago
    Ctrl + left or right arrow
- rsync 12y ago
  I don't know which of the two are "buggy", but command-tab and command-tidle have different behaviors: command-tab will let you toggle back and forth between last two apps - sort of a classic alt-tab behavior from Windows and various UNIX WMs. command-tilde goes through your windows in a stack, in one direction, and you have to modify it with shift to go a different way. Further, if you destroy a window after command-tilde to get to it, suddenly the direction gets reversed, and you will then command-tilde back the other direction. So ... one of these is "wrong". I'll leave it to you to decide which. From my perspective, the ability to rapidly switch back and forth between two windows of the same application is valuable, and I hate having to modify it with shift as I go back and forth...
  - ics 12y ago
    In a comment above you said that you're still using Snow Leopard on at least one machine and I can't recall if it works there (though I don't remember the last time this feature changed and I've been using since 10.1)... Command-Shift-` will reverse the order Command-Tab will flip back and forth unless you exceed the delay while still holding command, at which point you can cycle through the stack. Holding shift reverses the direction. That being said, I agree that swapping back and forth in between windows of the same app is very useful and it's a pity that the two features aren't made to work in the same way. I'd like to do a quick Command-` to toggle two windows, or hold it down to see the list of windows for the current app.

morbius 12y ago

Widgets, translucency, and animations... So... OS X 10.10 is... Windows Vista with Aero Glass? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/Windows_Vista.png http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/Windows_Vista....

devindotcom 12y ago
First thing I thought of. "Look at how the background beautifully interacts with the translucent menu bar." Didn't we all turn that feature off back in 2007?! Though in fairness that was partly because it was such a hog on Vista. I've left translucency on in Win 7, though it sure isn't a productivity boost and it ain't 'beautiful' either.
- archagon 12y ago
  Apple people like to mock Aero's translucency, but I... always liked it. Anyone else? Anyone?
  - jonhohle 12y ago
    The first release of OS X had translucent title bars for inactive windows[0] as well as a lot of transparency in sheets, menus and other UI elements. A lot off this was to show off the compositing available in the window manager. I was disappointed when more and more became opaque over time and am glad to see the return of translucency. 0 - http://media.soundonsound.com/sos/dec00/images/appleosx.l.gif http://media.soundonsound.com/sos/dec00/images/appleosx.l.gi...
    - reubenmorais 12y ago
      A lot of it still is translucent, just not a lot. The menus, in-app sheets (save dialog, go-to-path in Finder, etc), Spotlight results panel, the Dock…
  - digitailor 12y ago
    Yes, I agree. I'm a professional visual designer, FWIW. After 22 years on Macintosh, I've completely transitioned to Crunchbang on a MacBook Pro and a Windows 7/Crunchbang dual-boot workstation. I really like the translucency and general look of Win7. I had started to feel like OS X was visually dated, but more importantly, harming my workflow. For development and design, I am working nearly twice as fast in the OS using Crunchbang, and I've made it look and behave just the way I want it to. OS X is completely non-configurable! Since the only thing I need a consumer OS for at this point is for digital audio, I moved to Win7 as I wasn't about to lay out the $$ for the new, unfathomable, Mac Pro. What is that thing anyway? I worked with a guy in a metal shop to customize a case for my new workstation, tricked it out with an internal pro audio interface with exposed preamps and 1/4" jacks, and made it a 3U rack-mount. That versus a garbage can? That being said, my 2007 Mac Pro is still ticking and I've been able to upgrade it considerably, though changing the processor was a PITA. It's still on 10.6.8- what I consider the high-water mark of OS X- but I would need Mavericks now, and that needs a 64-bit bootloader. (Couldn't use the hack for this since I have a flashed PC GPU in it and that precludes the hack.) Like I said, I can't fathom buying a new Mac Pro. The way I see it, Apple is just for consumer devices now, and I love 'em. My iPad is critical to my workflow. OS X? Considered harmful. And visually dated!

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currysausage 12y ago

Am I the only one here who hates to see Lucida Grande be replaced with Neue Helvetica Aslightaspossible? Eager to see how it looks on non-retina displays.

selectodude 12y ago
I have to imagine that the next MacBook Air will have a retina display, and there will be a different font used on non-retina computers, same as the iPad.
hadrien01 12y ago
It looks awful :( Just when Twitter has finally ditched that font.
pilif 12y ago
> Eager to see how it looks on non-retina displays. It looks horrible. Very blurry and some of the new menu bar icons are barely visible (like the time machine one). I really hope they won't launch like this. Either they will finally make big external retina displays or they will have to fix the fonts and icons. http://www.pilif.ch/menu.png http://www.pilif.ch/menu.png
OWaz 12y ago
I'm with you. Helvetica Neue in the screenshots looks like placeholder text, waiting for some better typeface to be applied.
- Perceval 12y ago
  Gruber seems to think that they have been developing an in-house font called Apple Sans: http://daringfireball.net/2014/06/wwdc_2014_prelude http://daringfireball.net/2014/06/wwdc_2014_prelude

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ChikkaChiChi 12y ago

In 2 years when they announce iOS X (10), I expect that will be when apps can only be loaded from the App Store and their vertical integration will be complete.

EGreg 12y ago

Yep, Apple still hasn't learned that iOS Flat is Apple's Vista. Windows users used Vista DESPITE aero not because of it. So now they added it to Mac. If I can keep from upgrading, I will.

jordigh 12y ago

So... Oh Ess Ten Ten Point Ten? Is that how it's pronounced? I suppose it's better than OS X X.X.

e40 12y ago
They already dropped the first ten. It's OS 10.10.
- bliggity 12y ago
  Apple is definitely printing "OS X 10.10": http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2014/05/osxyosemitefall.jpg http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2014/05/osxyosemitefall...
  - Watabou 12y ago
    That is not an official Apple image.
- __david__ 12y ago
  They certainly haven't dropped the X. https://developer.apple.com/osx/whats-new/ https://developer.apple.com/osx/whats-new/ On the download page they call it "OS X v10.10"
xtian 12y ago
You wouldn't call it Windows Eight Eight Point One, would you?
bliggity 12y ago
I think printing it as "OS X 10.10" is just a shorthand for "OS X (10.10)", which is necessary since combining roman numerals and digits (i.e. 'OS X.10') is awkward. You would still say it as "Oh ess ten point ten."
frik 12y ago
OS X (previously Mac OS X) is the successor of Mac OS 9. X stands for 10 in roman numerals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_numerals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_numerals For marketing reasons (as some don't know about roman numerals), Apple writes it like this OS X 10.9 or now OS X 10.10 or OS X Yosemite (instead of Mac OS X.10 or Mac OS 10.10).

scrumper 12y ago

Not a great article: new features trumpeted include Spotlight's ability to search for mail messages and contacts, and a Private Browsing mode for Spotlight - both of which are pretty long-standing features. These things tend to get rushed out, but maybe TC could have waited just a few more minutes to weed out the obvious stinkers.

kylec 12y ago
Was this originally a TC link? Because it now points to the Apple.com page for OS X Yosemite, and some of the comments elsewhere in this thread no longer make sense. I didn't know it was possible for mods to change the link associated with a story, and now that I know I wish they wouldn't do it.
- scrumper 12y ago
  It was a pretty crappy TechCrunch story, yes. My comment is therefore invalid now, so it might be a good idea for a mod to kill it.

homulilly 12y ago

I know it's hardly the most important thing in an operating system but god that looks ugly. This dumb flat fad cannot end soon enough. I hope mavericks get security updates for awhile because I don't have plans to upgrade.

forgetcolor 12y ago

translucency is the new glossy screen---it looks cool at first, but in practice makes what you’re looking at harder to see

UVB-76 12y ago
I wouldn't say that's the case with iOS (and now OS X Yosemite) translucency. This isn't like the Vista Aero catastrophe.

bane 12y ago

I'm really looking forward to this. Unlike iOS7, the flatter design here doesn't make me feel like a bunch of amateur artists got a hold of a free copy of Adobe Illustrator. I actually like the new look quite a bit. Now, to pray that they've made some under the hood progress on multi-monitor support. Moving work back and forth from desktop to mobile also sounds really amazing. I get a hint of it when working with gmail or drive, but this sounds much more deeply integrated. Google will have to respond, and this makes me happy.

mwarkentin 12y ago
There were multi-monitor updates in Mavericks - fixed most of my issues. What's still an issue for you?
- bane 12y ago
  It's "better" in so much as I can full screen two things now instead of looking at a useless monitor full of fake fabric. I also have two spaces and things don't really quite work right. I'm not quite sure how to make it work better, but it almost never does what I mean right now.
- yeldarb 12y ago
  This: http://superuser.com/questions/665004/how-do-you-prevent-the-dock-from-switching-monitors-in-osx-mavericks http://superuser.com/questions/665004/how-do-you-prevent-the...
  - fernandotakai 12y ago
    another two: * when you fullscreen a window, there's a white (sometimes black) bar where the menu bar used to be * app switcher changes monitor depending on the monitor you last used the dock (which makes no actual sense).
    - gnachman 12y ago
      That first one happens if an app is built with an SDK older than 10.9.

dev1n 12y ago

If possible, could someone from the Apple community please tell me if Yosemite will be faster / lighter than snow leopard? I don't want an OS that requires 8 gigs of ram to run "fast" like Mavericks requires.

rsync 12y ago
You need to come to grips with the fact that SL was the high-water mark for OS coherency/consistency/quality from Apple. You can't pour all of this time and energy into iOS and phones and still make something as clean as SL. Which is too bad. FWIW, I continue to run SL on an early 2009 Mac Pro with no problems or annoyances ... hope that can continue.
- jitl 12y ago
  I left the Apple ecosystem when I couldn't move up from my 2006 Macbook Pro and stay with Snow Leopard. Mission Control was such a huge step back for window management in my opinion. I much preferred Expose'ing all my windows across all my spaces, or being able to quickly read content from a covered window while writing an email. The improvements shown today (especially the phone integration and Swift) are making me think about returning.
- unicornporn 12y ago
  I guess you can, until you run into a piece of software that wont run on SL. SL is my favorite OS X version by far too. But Lightroom 5 requires 10.7, so that's where I'm at now...
  - fernandotakai 12y ago
    i wish i could stay on SL -- spaces was quite awesome, expose worked better, really lightweight and fast. i stayed on SL for as long as I could (aka had to upgrade my computer).
Angostura 12y ago
Eh what? My wife is running Mavericks on a 3 gigs 2007 iMac and it runs at roughly the same speed as SL.

davis_m 12y ago

Spotlight seems an awful lot like Alfred now. http://www.alfredapp.com/ http://www.alfredapp.com/

mhurron 12y ago
It reminded me of Sherlock. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherlock_%28software%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherlock_%28software%29
sdfjkl 12y ago
Alfred does a lot more than that. But yes, the inspiration is obvious (and Alfred itself was inspired by Quicksilver).
- leejoramo 12y ago
  Which was inspired by LaunchBar. The cmd-space keyboard shortcut originated with LaunchBar back in the NeXT days. Spotlight has had added features repeatedly over the years, and people have said that LaunchBar/QuickSliver/Alfred are about to be "Sherlocked".
  - chanced 12y ago
    > Sherlocked: > To have developed a product and just started shipping it, only to have Apple come along and provide exactly the same functionality in a system update. > It happened to Karelia Software twice. Once with Sherlock and again with iWeb.
joshschreuder 12y ago
Alfred devs respond: http://blog.alfredapp.com/2014/06/02/alfred-and-os-x-10-10-yosemite/ http://blog.alfredapp.com/2014/06/02/alfred-and-os-x-10-10-y...

dang 12y ago

Url changed from http://techcrunch.com/2014/06/02/apple-announces-os-x-yosemite-with-translucent-flatter-design-updated-notification-center-and-more/ http://techcrunch.com/2014/06/02/apple-announces-os-x-yosemi....

klrr 12y ago

Those bars looks surprisingly close to GNOMEs' ones.

espadrine 12y ago
This browser looks surprisingly close to GNOME's one. https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Web?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Web-3.12.png https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Web?action=AttachFile&do=get&tar... http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/IMG_9664.jpg http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/IMG_96...
- sbuk 12y ago
  It looks virtually identical to the iPad one. http://media.idownloadblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/ios-7-ipad-safari.png http://media.idownloadblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/io...

eurleif 12y ago

Which parts of the front window in this screenshot[0] are draggable? Maybe this is just me, but I don't like how the titlebar and window contents are visually merged. [0] https://www.apple.com/osx/preview/images/overview_design_hero.jpg https://www.apple.com/osx/preview/images/overview_design_her...

sdfjkl 12y ago
That bothers me a bit too. Maybe because I still can't tell what bit of an IOS7 app is button and what isn't (even with the "accessibility" fix they're not all shown properly).
hrktb 12y ago
Agreed. It seems to miss a step, some additional stuff that they couldn't include now but would have made the design complete. For instance it would work if one could drag any area of a window that doesn't react to a click (like the white space between the bubbles in the chat window). Or additional gestures to easily rearrange/move the windows, something like three finger scroll make the window follow the fingers instead of back/forward.
- mh- 12y ago
  you mean like "Three finger drag" in the first tab of the Trackpad preferences? :)
  - hrktb 12y ago
    Yes, exactly, but working on anything on the window, on not just the title/status bar.
aroman 12y ago
All of them — everywhere that isn't another control. Apple stole this design wholesale from GTK[1], but I think it's a superior paradigm anyway, so I don't really mind. [1] https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/3.10/GtkHeaderBar.html https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/3.10/GtkHeaderBar.html

iwasakabukiman 12y ago

I wonder how legacy apps will look? I'm assuming it will work the same was as iOS 6 apps do on iOS 7, where they just run the same as they did before and look like older apps. That's going to be a confusing transition. Although it might shame app developers into updating their apps.

sdfjkl 12y ago
This isn't the first time OS X has changed the looks of title bars[1]. Typically the transition is eased a lot by a) Cocoa works it out for you and b) an active developer community that is provided with early access. So by the time the OS is released to the general public, most apps have already been adapted. [1] http://www.guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/desktop/full/macosx100.png http://www.guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/desktop/full/macosx...

nodata 12y ago

Yawn Come on Apple, you can do better. Innovate!

jevgeni 12y ago

This is awesome, but can we talk about the very scary looking folder icons?

robinson-wall 12y ago
Oh yikes, I missed that. They're pretty garish: https://www.apple.com/osx/preview/design/images/apps-gallery/osx_design_view_finder.jpg https://www.apple.com/osx/preview/design/images/apps-gallery...
- columbo 12y ago
  Eh... Wow! Looks like they decided the hell with it and installed xfce (http://cdn.xfce.org/frontpage/slider-desktop.jpg http://cdn.xfce.org/frontpage/slider-desktop.jpg)
general_failure 12y ago
They remind me of KDEs oxygen theme. Outright scary.
- jeorgun 12y ago
  I assume you mean the old, pre-4.7 design[1]? Interestingly, Oxygen itself ditched those for a less glossy design that had always reminded me of the (now old!) OSX icons. Not really sure what to make of that. [1] http://icons.iconarchive.com/icons/oxygen-icons.org/oxygen/256/Places-folder-icon.png http://icons.iconarchive.com/icons/oxygen-icons.org/oxygen/2... [2] http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Wemowf_4MrE/TjsIa4wrZeI/AAAAAAAAA1Y/H9WaLr85XeY/s400/folder.png http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Wemowf_4MrE/TjsIa4wrZeI/AAAAAAAAA1...
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rsync 12y ago

Ironic that the official apple page for Yosemite shows it running a macbook air, which hasn't seen a cosmetic or design update in ... 6 years ? 2009 was when they removed the physical mouse button...

tachion 12y ago
And what would you like to change in MacBook Air in terms of design? The only thing I can think of are very minor, evolutionary changes, but other than that, this machine is perfect (or very close to it) for what it stands for - very portable computer. On the other hand, there's plenty to do around the OS X.
- rsync 12y ago
  Retina screen. The WWDC announcement that we've waited for for three consecutive iterations (two years). Two years ago was overly optimistic. Last year was exasperating. This year is just pathetic. So yeah, not a design change, I guess, just retina griping.
- bronson 12y ago
  How about allowing the lid to open 180 degrees? I can't curl up on the couch with my Air nearly as well as I could with my Thinkpad. Or making it so the palm rests don't suck all the heat out of my hands? Or smooth the sharp edge so it doesn't sometimes dig grooves into my wrists? And, ffs, retina? True, the Air is still the best portable laptop going (Intel should be downright ashamed of their Ultrabook fizzle). But very close to perfect? Not yet.
  - lostlogin 12y ago
    None of this bothers me in the slightest. But for the love of Christ, move the damned power button. Accidentally hitting that makes me so very sad.

bronson 12y ago

Ye gods, is this the end of Chicago?

meepmorp 12y ago
Chicago hasn't been the system font for roughly 14 years.
- bronson 12y ago
  Ha, you're right. I guess something about how Lucida Grande is rendered, plus all the formative years spent on a Mac Plus, made it so I've been seeing Chicago this whole time. I'm feeling rather shaken right now.
  - meepmorp 12y ago
    It's ok. I miss Chicago, honestly.

quackerhacker 12y ago

The upgrades to Safari look amazing! [0] Less chrome, Javascript benchmarks (impressive), and the spotlight search in the url...nice! I hope Apple changes the zoom button to maximize the screen. [0] https://www.apple.com/osx/preview/apps/ https://www.apple.com/osx/preview/apps/

lcnmrn 12y ago
Zoom/maximize screen button is now replaced by the full screen button.
hadrien01 12y ago
Looks like Epiphany, the Gnome browser... [0] Actually, a lot of OS X Yosemite borrows from Gnome's Gtk+, like headerbars [1] [0] http://i.imgur.com/xBof95c.png http://i.imgur.com/xBof95c.png [1] https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/3.10/GtkHeaderBar.html https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/3.10/GtkHeaderBar.html
- arrrg 12y ago
  Apple has been toying with putting toolbar controls into the title bar for a long, long time. E.g. Mac App Store. iTunes at various times. It just was never the default.
spyder 12y ago
Oh, the JSBench performance: Safari: 6.5x Chrome: 1.1x Firefox: 1x
dareiff 12y ago
Hold the option key for older behavior.
unfamiliar 12y ago
Safari is one of the places where the zoom button makes the most sense. Rarely do I want to read text that is the whole screen width.

sdfjkl 12y ago

I just hope there's a setting to turn off all this translunacy[sp!].

Karunamon 12y ago
I hope you don't mind if I steal that word for future (ab)use. A great description of some modern plagues on design...
blister 12y ago
System Preferences > Accessibility [Display] -> Check "Reduce Transparency"

bratsche 12y ago

Since nobody has mentioned it yet here, I'm really glad to see AirDrop will finally work between OSX and iOS. It's bothered me for awhile that they have these two different things called "AirDrop" which were not compatible with one another.

jpace121 12y ago
The lack of AirDrop integration before is probably one of the obnoxious things Apple has done recently. I'm really excited for this simple new feature.
- jsz0 12y ago
  > one of the obnoxious things Apple has done recently AirDrop pre-iOS8 (iCloud Drive, Extensibility) would have been almost totally useless or at minimum required developers to waste time supporting a temporary solution.
  - bruceboughton 12y ago
    AirDrop is a end-user feature above all else provided by the OS. It's not true that it would have required developers to support a temporary solution. My understanding is that on OS X AirDrop was wi-fi only but on iOS it used a combination of wi-fi and Bluetooth.

sgt 12y ago

OS X Yosemite - call me impressed. Favorite features: HandOff, phone calling feature, Markup, Safari improvements... Oh yes, and AirDrop now working between OS X and iOS. At last.

ambler0 12y ago

Does anyone have a link to a screen shot of the new "dark mode"? If I've seen it, I didn't notice it.

adamcw 12y ago
This is the only one I've seen: http://d35lb3dl296zwu.cloudfront.net/uploads/photo/image/16225/DSC_0848.jpg http://d35lb3dl296zwu.cloudfront.net/uploads/photo/image/162... It was linked in The Verge's live blog.

bitL 12y ago

The race of the uglies - OS X Yosemite vs Windows 8.1 - is on! :-D

jiggy2011 12y ago
The flatter design looks more like older versions of OS X. http://cdn.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/10.3.9-Panther.jpg http://cdn.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/10.3.9-P...
- bitL 12y ago
  Sorry, this was just a jab at the flat-design trend nowadays ;-) I use OS X only since 10.7 so I didn't have any exposure to its previous versions.

easydev 12y ago

Hopfully it will be more stable than os x mavericks

AaronFriel 12y ago

I am deeply disappointed by the "development" of OS X. It seems that Apple has long ago gutted their x86 OS group due to dwindling profits and lack of real competition. There are a handful of reasons people buy a Mac, and I would largely put them into three groups: * Students looking for a stable and/or sexy device for their university. * Artists using applications that don't exist on other platforms (or that prioritize Mac platforms). * Hackers that want a Unix-like system with a BSD userland, or want Anything But Windows on a laptop. Sadly, these groups are small groups with eclectic needs that won't be met or improved by real systems engineering with the kernel and core modules. What do I mean by real systems engineering? * Major kernel development * Novel and/or modern filesystem support * Fundamental or deeply integrated "platform" features In Linux land, every major kernel release brings these features. There are tangible improvements to filesystems, to core features that enable new things to be developed on top of them in every Linux release. These are, largely, absent on OS X. The system is too closed, and the result is that things like Time Machine or even security features and ACLs are hacks upon hacks. Full disk encryption and home folder support is, again, hack-ish, and largely built on work other people did. OS snapshots is essentially an "rsync" to another drive with a smart "restore" utility that repairs changes. The major kernel development that Microsoft undertook with Windows Server 2003 and Vista is still paying dividends. Folder shadow copies became integrated into fully consistent backups with built-in snapshots. Full disk encryption improved - though home folder encryption is still tragically stuck with NTFS "EFS" support (lackluster, at best.) UAC, AppLocker, and integrity levels brought foundational improvements to the security model. Networking stack changes brought DirectAccess, a woefully underused and under-marketed technology. Storage Spaces and ReFS, though years too late, are interesting alternatives to ZFS/BTRFS. Transactional NTFS was woefully underused, but maybe it will return with ReFS. The core improvements Microsoft is making to the NT kernel are still worthwhile, though. Hyper-V is a fantastic technology, and could really blow people's minds when it's baked into the client OS. (For reference, Hyper-V powers the Xbox One's dual app/game personality. It allows isolating the management OS from games running on it, and also keeps the management OS from interfering with game performance with resource limiting. And they both share high performance access to the GPU.) Ah, I could go on. Reading about new stuff in kernel development is a joy. Of course, I could go on ad nauseum about Linux changes since 3.0x, but http://kernelnewbies.org/ http://kernelnewbies.org/ does a better job than I will. The result is tragic: Microsoft invested in platform features and then didn't sell users on what it could do with Vista. Apple continues to apply lipstick to the OS X pig and sell users on changes to the window manager and built-in applications.

whatevsbro 12y ago

This new stuff from Apple is disgusting. Everything is connected, everything goes online. Spotlight, HomeKit, HealthKit etc will all send information on you to Google, Apple, advertisers, insurance companies and governments. It's never been more convenient to let governments track absolutely everything about you - your location, the temperature inside your apartment, your heart rate, your interests & worries, your communications.. everything. Combine this with driverless cars. You write a chat message on your iPhone that offends your government's sensibilities, and after a few seconds, your car will lock its doors and promptly drive you to the nearest gulag.

andy_ppp 12y ago

My wish list is per project spaces, such that: 1) a copy of mail, tasks, text editor/IDE, preview etc. Can all be opened that are specific to a project/space, say. 2) Multiple copies of apps filtered by their project 3) mail only shows emails about/from/in association with the current project 4) preview/photoshop shows project assets, these are shared in the ether via iCloud, you can see designers working on things in realtime 5) I switch spaces and they are all saved/restorable after reboot 6) developer Apis for this! Wishful thinking I guess :-)

joeblau 12y ago

How do you enable dark mode? I'm on 10.10 and I can't find it anywhere.

lisnake 12y ago
I don't know about the dark mode, but can you answer, is 10.10 stable enough? I'd like to try it on my home system
- bbrks 12y ago
  I've just tried it on my 2014 15" rMBP and I'd say it's too unstable and buggy for use as your primary OS. I'm now back to Mavericks.

oneweirdtrick 12y ago

Will the syncing of Mac and iOS have a significant impact on the battery life of the iPhone? I noticed MightyText takes up significant energy on my Nexus 5.

janvidar 12y ago

Yosemite? This doesn't sound feline!

evan_ 12y ago
Neither does "Mavericks" - they switched last year to "Places in California".

spacemanmatt 12y ago

I hope they will be offering a cosmetic repair to this fugly monster. I already miss Mavericks AND I'M STILL RUNNING IT.

purephase 12y ago

Folks using vmware fusion be warned, it does not work with Yosemite.

crymer11 12y ago

Hopefully they've spent some time on Messages; it's by far the buggiest app of theirs I've used in quite some time.

X-Istence 12y ago
There are a lot of changes in Messages, for one, it will also be able to send/receive SMS's if you have an iPhone to pair it with.
mweibel 12y ago
+1 I hope that they finally fix groupchats across devices. Always have about 5 different conversations with the same 2 people and each message goes seemingly randomly in one conversation.

DAddYE 12y ago

For those interested, the translucent effect can be disabled in Accessibility flagging "reduce transparency".

ksk 12y ago

The Handoff feature is interesting. I hope its not just some lame cloud sync that takes ages to sync because your 3G/wifi is spotty. For e.g. If I was writing an email in Mail.app I'd want to be able to shut my mac and resume writing on my iphone exactly where I left off. Same with Safari and other shared apps.

allan_ 12y ago

As seen on a the screenshot for the new notification center calendar, the Life of an Apple user begins at 10:00 with a crossfit session. After that it is not that you go to work then. Relaxing talk with Anne on the phone, maybe talking a little business on the side, but not to rough. After Lunch you do not start to work either. Just let out all those wise thoughts gathered while living your apple lifestyle in a fresh stream, like you do.

nicolime 12y ago

Share the latest about Swift here! Be part of the biggest page for the language. Looking for admins. https://www.facebook.com/swiftofficial https://www.facebook.com/swiftofficial

ssivark 12y ago

Wait... is it just me, or do the apps and window designs look very much like Gnome3 (circa 3.12)??? Compare pictures: 1. https://www.apple.com/osx/preview/apps/ https://www.apple.com/osx/preview/apps/ 2. https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/Apps/ https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/Apps/ (Web, Chat, Mail, etc.)

iSnow 12y ago
I dunno, I think this refers back to http://arstechnica.com/apple/2002/09/macosx-10-2/10/#brushed-metal http://arstechnica.com/apple/2002/09/macosx-10-2/10/#brushed... minus the texture.

300 12y ago

Again, I came to the same conclusion like many times before. Apple does have the best hardware (talking about notebooks), but that's where the story ends. I found a combination of MacBook Pro with Linux, as the only good use of Apple hardware.

unfamiliar 12y ago
Completely the opposite for me. Now that I am used to all the pleasantries of OS X, it is painful to try and get anything done on a linux computer. I end up ignoring whatever disaster of a desktop environment is installed and living in the terminal.

crag 12y ago

I'd be happy if they fixed Mail's connection to Exchange (drops randomly - a know issue), or the terribly slow SMB - mounting Windows drives is just a nightmare. There is a fix, more like a hack really, forcing the OS to use an earlier version of SMB. Fix those two and I'm there.

snowwrestler 12y ago
Are you talking about Mavericks? I'm still on Mountain Lion and Windows drives take a little while, but I wouldn't call it a nightmare. I guess what I'm asking is: did SMB get worse on Mavericks?
- bombtrack 12y ago
  Yes, Mavericks started using SMB2 which has many reported performance issues [0]. Most people experiencing it can work around this by using cifs:// instead of smb:// or disabling SMB2 and reverting to using SMB1 [1]. [0] https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5470025?start=0&tstart=0 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5470025?start=0&tstart=... [1] http://cammodude.blogspot.com/2013/10/os-x-109-mavericks-workaround-for-smb.html http://cammodude.blogspot.com/2013/10/os-x-109-mavericks-wor...

mkohlmyr 12y ago

Is the name a subtle reference to how its going to blow? I'll see myself out. I'm sure it will be extremely solid, it looks really nice. For me I'll stick with linux / linux vms, though.